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00:05<shawn>haha my sources.list exactly fits 79 columns
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00:10<jmcnaught>shawn: are you having problems with apt, or just showing off? :P
00:11<shawn>Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the
00:11<shawn>this must be why: kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
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00:13<shawn>i wonder why it downloaded 4.3 headers instead of 3.16 headers?
00:15<jmcnaught>shawn: i don't know. the DKMS build automated by the nvidia-driver package needs the headers package for the kernel it will be built for. if it requires 4.3 kernel, maybe make sure the headers for that version are installed first?
00:16<jmcnaught>shawn: it's quite possible that the nvidia-driver in jessie-backports has been updated more recently than that section of the wiki page
00:16<themill>-t jessie-backports means that packages from jessie-backports will be installed
00:18<themill>if that's not what you want, then install the headers you do want first (linux-headers-amd64)
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00:22<shawn>Building only for 3.16.0-4-amd64
00:22<shawn>Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the
00:22<shawn>kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
00:23<shawn>this is weird, because i just finished installing linux-source and linux-headers
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00:25<shawn>nvm, i guess the metapackage for the headers gave me something else
00:25<shawn>ohh, it must have been already installed from backports
00:26<shawn>yay it's building
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02:21<vortek>hi , y system debian fast as h3ll.. But iceweasel is slow. especialy n facebook, google has no solutions, any ideas???
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02:22<twb>It is ONLY facebook that is slow? Other websites work fine?
02:22<twb>Oh you said it is all iceweasel
02:22<twb>Do you have any interesting errors in ~/.xsession-errors?
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02:23<twb>vortek: "the web is slow" could be many things, we need to isolate it
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02:24<vortek>its slow in general, other browsers are not this slow.. but other browsers r ugle and lack the stuff i need
02:25<jm_>try noscript/request policy and similar extensions
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02:26<vortek>good idea :)
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02:29<vortek>ok now to see if tthis works :)
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02:34<vortek>seem to be working
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02:34<vortek>i had to allow java to run for facebook
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02:35<vortek>dammit heh till slow
02:36<vortek>its just firefox no ther browsers r slow like this
02:36<vortek>can you recomend a good iceweasel replacement for me? one that is not ugly hehe
02:37<twb>All browsers are ugly
02:38<twb>And since you mentioned "lack the stuff I need" that probably means you're stuck with a heavyweight GUI browser, which are the worst
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02:38<twb>Otherwise there's stuff like dillo and netrik
02:38<vortek>well iceweasel is nice , i like its easy to use tabs
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02:39<vortek>ntw browser is runnung bout 15% faster now
02:39<teatime>it's probably unpopular here, but I've been using chrome since switching from firefox because it go to heavy
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02:39<teatime>chrome is heavy these days too but I tried firefox again recently and chrome is still faster
02:40<twb>Meh; I don't think there's much difference between the webkits and the gecko
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02:41<teatime>twb: I broke my laptop and the one I am using right now has an incredibly slow processor
02:41<teatime>and the difference between firefox and chrome is quite apparent
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02:41<teatime>(both on F23)
02:41<twb>Huh, OK. What about between iceweasel and chromium, or MiniBrowser ?
02:42<teatime>haven't tried.
02:43<teatime>in related news, it should be illegal to sell a processor as slow as AMD C-50
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02:44<jm_>that must be quite a bit slower than my atom, and chromium on that is really slow
02:45<teatime>well also don't take me to be saying "chrome is fast"
02:45<teatime>only "chrome is faster than firefox"
02:46<vortek>i would buy a chrome book and put debian on it hehe but the screens r to small
02:46<teatime>and faster enough that I can tolerate it, so I use it since I sync my history and stuff between PCs.
02:46<teatime>it would probably be in my best interests to get more used to using some textmode browser for most stuff, though.
02:47<jm_>yeah chromium has good and bad sides, still sticking to iw myself
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02:48<vortek>well chromium uses like 387 MiB and chromium use around 107 MiB
02:49<vortek>i mean iceweasel uses 387
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02:49<twb>teatime: um... so you want to have active cooling on the CPUs in all the traffic lights and hotel bath towels and credit cards?
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02:50<teatime>firstly, are there really bath towels with CPUs? that is amazing.
02:50<twb>Strictly speaking they are microcontrollers not CPU
02:51<teatime>but mainly, are you seriously attempting to take my statement at face value? I guess just to make me look dumb or something? 'cause theres no way you legitimately read it that way.
02:51<twb>The thing about playing an idiot on the internet, is nobody can tell you're playing :P
02:52<teatime>well I do get exactly that kind of reaction pretty often.
02:52<teatime>I had assumed it was just because people want to show how clever they are.
02:52<teatime>but maybe I need to re-evaluate my use of hyperbole and sarcasm.
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03:01<flap>teatime: if you want speed with that slow a cpu, try tiny core
03:01<shawn>Yeah firefox doesn't cut it anymore, poor performance compared to chrome
03:01<teatime>flap: tiny core?
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03:02<shawn>And netsurf
03:02<flap>minimum requirements of an i486dx and 28mb ram
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03:03<teatime>heh, interesting.
03:03<teatime>but I don't really think I'm losing to many cycles to choice of distro.
03:03<flap>suggested at least pentium 2 with 128
03:03<flap>yeah probs
03:03<shawn>I like Alpine best for tiny distro
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03:04<flap>i've heard good things about alpine
03:04<shawn>It's good.
03:04<flap>also, if you want a tiny gui browser i've enjoyed uzbl
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03:04<shawn>Tiny everything!
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03:05<twb>isn't uzbl just another webkit under the hood
03:05<vortek>hey im lookin to replace my dell xps 1600x900 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2670QM CPU @ 2.20GHz with some something that 1920x1200 or close to it.. the dell xps is a 17 inch screen with 8 megs
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03:06<flap>twb: iirc yes
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03:07<vortek>can i get some recomends as to what to get ? I just wnat sharper reslution and faster cpu... im looking to spend around 500.. yes its going to rin debain
03:07<twb>vortek: try ##hardware on freenode
03:07<shawn>I'm tired of software projects saying "we adhere to UNIX philosophy" in the subtitle
03:08<twb>vortek: I don't think we really handle laptop hardware recommendations here.
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03:08<twb>shawn: I think that means they promise to sue IBM
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03:13<jmcnaught>for browsers it's worth mentioning that Debian security only covers Iceweasel and Chromium in Jessie
03:15<twb>Does that extend even to stuff like lynx ?
03:15<twb>I vaguely assumed they really just meant clicky-clicky picture browsers
03:16<twb>ha lynx isn't even in jessie
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03:17<jmcnaught>twb: it's in the Jessie release notes, and it's talking about webkit and khtml browsers
03:17<twb>Right, thanks. I read those notes, but it was a while ago :-)
03:18<teatime>looks like it is to me, twb.
03:18<somiaj>lynx is in jessie so is links2, unsure if console browsers have the security holes of graphical ones, could be no one cares enough to try to exploit them.
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03:19<twb>I must have queried rmadison wrong
03:20<twb>they definitely have some of it, like holes in same-origin policy, but obviously bugs in e.g. the SVG renderer or the javascript aren't relevant :-P
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03:36<danlii>How would I make systemd run a command at the very end of the bootup sequence? Like doing a S99 linked script with sysvinit.
03:36<twb>danlii: you can't say that
03:36<twb>You can only say "After= <a bunch of things>"
03:36<somiaj>danlii: what do you want this script to do, why must it run at the end of the sequnce, what is it in the sequence you need tow ait for?
03:36<twb>If you say After=, that might capture most of your intent.
03:37<twb>Or you could look at the existing support for /etc/rc.local
03:37<jm_>as a hack you could use /etc/rc.local since systemd still handles that
03:37<danlii>somiaj: I want it to do "service nfs-common restart" so that rpc.idmapd actually starts, which it currently does not. :(t
03:37<jm_>heh twb was faster
03:38<twb>danlii: NFS server doesn't work by default in jessie, due to broken systemd integration
03:38<jm_>wouldn't it be better to debug the actual issue instead?
03:38<somiaj>danlii: sounds like you need to fix the nfs-common script as opposed to just restarting it.
03:38<twb>danlii: newer nfs-utils has native systemd rules that solve it properly
03:38<somiaj>also sounds like twb has experience with this issue
03:38<danlii>twb: I have the same problem on both jessie and stretch actually.
03:38<twb>I worked around it by writing my own systemd units for NFS components, but I only had to support NFSv3 clients, so I can't give you a working version for idmapd
03:38<twb>danlii: i don't know if stretch is fixed yet. It is fixed upstream of debian
03:39<twb>I know it's definitely *not* working in jessie. I was... very angry when I learned this
03:39<danlii>twb: As was I.
03:40<twb>Here are my crappy notes:
03:40<teatime>wow that is very surprising.
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03:41<twb> here is my working Jessie NFSv3 client code
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03:42<twb>(note: I also delete most of Debian's systemd units; you will probably run into collisions between e.g. my statd.service and upstream's rpc-statd.service)
03:42<danlii>Heh, cool.
03:42<twb>at a minimum you probably need to "systemctl mask nfs-common" to disable auto-migration of /etc/init.d/nfs-common into /run/systemd/system/generators/nfs-common.service
03:43<twb>For the server side there is also /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server, but I have not fought with systemd over that yet
03:44<somiaj>note, if you put a unit file in /etc/systemd/system it will be used over the one supplied by debian.
03:44<twb>The fundamental issue is that nfs-common (oh, and rpcbind) used to start up a bunch of components as necessary, and there were enough inherent delays that the 100ms startups weren't a problem.
03:45<danlii>Well, my server is running squeeze, so I guess I'm fine. :)
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03:45<twb>But under systemd, everything starts as fast as possible, so you need to patch the daemons (or other workarounds) so that systemd knows that even though rpcbind has *started*, it isn't *FINISHED starting*
03:46<twb>You could probably hack it by just dropping ExecStartPre=/bin/sleep 60 in a few places
03:46<danlii>It would be nice if that patch were to be done before release...
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03:46<twb>somiaj: thanks, yes. My paste is definitely NOT best practice for normal systemd people
03:46<twb>(There are apologia elsewhere in my codebase, but I'm not gonna pastebin the whole thing.)
03:47<twb>e.g. instead of appending to I should be adding [Install], then running "systemctl enable"
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03:51<twb><StewieGriffin> this is almost as bad as that time I tried to authenticate squid users against a postgres database, but Ubuntu was using upstart for postgres and sysvinit for squid!
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05:07<goonieb>hi there, I am under jessie and I experience a vlc segfault at startup
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05:09<Sebastinas>goonieb: Do you have a backtrace and the output of vlc -vvv?
05:11<goonieb>Sebastinas, I have a backtrace yes, I didn't knew about vlc -vvv , it's indeed informative
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05:11<goonieb>Sebastinas, pastebining it as of now
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05:14<Sebastinas>goonieb: Please install vlc-dbg and run bt in gdb.
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05:19<goonieb>Sebastinas, I'm on it,
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05:23<goonieb>here is the backtrac
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05:24<Sebastinas>That's … interesting.
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05:24<Sebastinas>Other Qt programs work fine for you=
05:24<goonieb>Sebastinas, yes, okular works perfect for instance
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05:25<goonieb>Sebastinas, actually no, avidemux as well
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05:28<Sebastinas>goonieb: Do you use a theme or whatever it's called in Qt terminology?
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05:33<goonieb>Sebastinas, I don't think so,
05:33<goonieb>I have troubles downgrading libqt4 to see if it fixes it
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06:08<tuv>on jessie, why is the -CApath option required for this command to succeed without errors? openssl s_client -CApath /etc/ssl/certs -connect <server-name>:587 -starttls smtp
06:09<tuv>without the -CApath option, I get: verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate
06:09<tuv>with the -CApath option, no errors are reported!
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06:13<tuv>my acutal problem is that an application that needs to connect to an smtp server securely is failing with a message "certificate not verified", although the certificate is accepted by other remote clients
06:14<teatime>which application
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06:14<teatime>and is it running locally on your host, or do you run the SMTP server?
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06:14<tuv>mercurial's notify extension
06:15<tuv>it's a remote smtp server
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06:17<teatime>not all apps are configured by default to look in the standard debian location, sometimes you have to tell them the path.
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06:18<tuv>the openssl s_client command without the -CAcert option works fine without errors on testing, but not on jessie (for the same remote smtp server)
06:18<teatime>can you specify it like this?
06:18<teatime>I do not know if NotifyExtension pays attention to that
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06:19<teatime>tuv: does NotifyExtension run the openssl command like that to connect to the SMTP server?
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06:19<tuv>also, on testing, thunderbird/icedove does not complain about any certificate issues
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06:21<tuv>teatime: i don't know, but this is one inconsistency between jessie and testing (having to use the -CAcert)
06:21<teatime>fwiw, I see the same behavior of `openssl` on my jessie box
06:21<teatime>so it's not a misconfig on your machine specifically
06:21<tuv>teatime: the 'cacerts = /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt' line ships with the default configuration of the Debian Mercurial package
06:22<teatime>probably just fixed to use the default path byd efault on testing.
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06:22<jm_>perhaps check BTS
06:23<tuv>but ssl is not completely broken. this looks like an issue with CA signing this particular certificate. for example, hg can clone from bitbucket over https without issues
06:23<teatime>yes, I think hg clone pays attention to the config described in
06:23<tuv>so does the hg-notify extension
06:23<teatime>well, I mean, it seems like it does not.
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06:26<Sebastinas>goonieb: Downgrading libqt4? Do you have a version other than the one in jessie?
06:26<teatime>you said with -CApath option to openssl, you don't get errors; does that mean you do get "Verify return code: 0 (ok)" ?
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06:29<sveta>hi how do i check whether i should use 586 or 686? a friend is trying sebian kde live but when booting live there are the two options
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06:31<teatime>tuv: I'm 90% sure NotifyExtension doesn't know where to look for the CA certs, and you need to figure out how to tell it. Which is not uncommon, even for packaged software.
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06:33<goonieb>Sebastinas, didn't see your answer, well it doesn't change a thing anyway.
06:33<goonieb>can it be some conf file somewhere
06:34<goonieb>I'm lost, and can't do much to make it work again, will try with a blank account to see if it is config issues
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06:35<Sebastinas>goonieb: You could try moving ~/.config/vlc away.
06:35<Sebastinas>< Sebastinas> goonieb: Downgrading libqt4? Do you have a version other than the one in jessie?
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06:39<goonieb>Sebastinas, I've tried it already, going back to old-stable, didn't change anything
06:40<Sebastinas>goonieb: So you have mix of oldstable and stable?
06:41<goonieb>Sebastinas, yes I tried without success
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06:52<jordyblind>Hello all! I want to use a Debian8.3 PC via Putty. But how do I configure the Debian Machine properly? Can anyone tell me anything? Thanks!
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06:54<grove>jordyblind: Install openssh-server, and make sure that the user you want to log in as, either has your *public* ssh key listed in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys or that you know the password
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07:01<goonieb>Sebastinas, any idea what I could do to restore functionnalities
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07:37<jordyblind>Hi, yes, I installed openssh server, but when I type the local ip-address into PuTTY, it doesn't anything! But I don't see my Debian Server in the network! What should I do?
07:39<jm_>first try pinging both IP-s
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07:43<jordyblind>But I do't know aany IP!
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07:45<jm_>on the debian system /sbin/ifconfig or 'ip addr' will show it, then use that in putty
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07:46<grove>jordyblind: You just said that you typed the ip-adress into putty, that must mean you know it...
07:46<jm_>probably windows IP :)
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07:48<jordyblind>Yes, but that IP gave an error that said: "Connection Time Out". (Or anything that means the same)
07:49<jm_>so start by pinging it
07:49<jordyblind>In the webinterface of the modem, the Debian PC isn't shown! The IP Adress is; and I am sure that the machine is connected to the network!
07:49<jm_>have you configured debian system to use dhcp?
07:49<grove>jordyblind: is not a good address to assign to a computer
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07:54<teatime>argh @ 'down for maintenence'
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07:54<teatime>isn't there a tool, where I can query lots of extra repos for package data, that aren't in/enabled in my sources.list?
07:55<jordyblind>No, I haven't configured it to use dhcp, but I think that I will change that asap!
07:55<Sebastinas>goonieb: No, sorry. It's at least none of the known crashes.
07:56<Sebastinas>goonieb: And as other Qt 4 programs also crash in the same way, I'd start looking there.
07:56<jordyblind>And I know that isn't a good ip address, but the web-based interface of the modem (a B-Box3) sets that value to the ip address when the modem can't find the machine!
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08:00<teatime>in fact, isn't a valid IP address.
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08:01<jordyblind>Yes, I know, but so we can see if the modem can't find a normal ipaddress!
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08:08<themill>(also, there is judd here on irc for queries)
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08:11<teatime>themill: packages is down for maintenance. I'm pretty sure there's a cli tool though
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08:11<themill>teatime: no, packages.debian.ORG
08:12<themill>and you'll do better with judd here for most queries rmadison if you are desperate.
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08:12<grove>jordyblind: Why do you even look at modem? The network configuration happens on the box itself
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08:13<themill>teatime: If you have sufficiently many queries that you need a cli tool for automation, then you want grep-ctrl and the Packages file.
08:15<teatime>themill: what's grep-ctrl?
08:16<themill>err grep-dctrl
08:16<teatime>ok, thanks.
08:17<jm_>dpkg-awk is also handy, but on that note, off
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08:30<goonieb>it's a valgrind
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09:22<EmleyMoor>I've got a problem with claws-mail in jessie - every time I try to see the html part of a mail it closes. Have installed gdb and the claws-mail-dbg package, but this isn't much help... it gets to about the same place then hangs. - what is wrong?
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09:28<floki>Hello, i have GNOME and i want install KDE, how to deinstall GNOME?
09:28<floki>II'm afraid to delete something necessary.
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09:29<mtn>floki: why remove it?
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09:31<EmleyMoor>Get kde working first before you worry about removing gnome
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09:32<floki>I'm install KDE and work perfect
09:33<mtn>floki: why remove gnome?
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09:45<floki>mtn, because never use KDE
09:45<floki>Only Cinnamon, Unity, Gnome, Mate
09:46<mtn>floki: huh? what does that have to do with removing gnome?
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09:48<floki>Don't ask why. Just say how to do, please.
09:49<sney>they must be time traveling from 1999 and has a very small hard drive
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09:50<mtn>guess so
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09:51<EmleyMoor>I've got a problem with claws-mail in jessie - every time I try to see the html part of a mail it closes. Have installed gdb and the claws-mail-dbg package, but this isn't much help... it gets to about the same place then hangs. - what is wrong?
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10:00<EmleyMoor>It appears to be a crash in webkit - is there a good way to "pristine reinstall" that?
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10:15<Israel>Having issue with ossec in debian
10:15<Israel>and resolv.conf is getting flushed after rebooting the machine
10:15<Israel>anyone could help me?
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10:51<FKlama>Hi, I'm running testing, and until recently I've used the fglrx-driver (I need both monitors). When rebooting a few hours ago (a relatively rare occurance) I was in text-mode only to discover that fglrx-driver doesn't exist in testing anymore. I am reluctant to move to unstable.
10:51<scootergrisen>How do i write in the terminal to get the output in english?
10:51<scootergrisen>Something with LC_ALL i think
10:52<scootergrisen>like if i write msgfmt --help and i want to see it in english
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10:52<sney>FKlama: testing support is in #debian-next
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10:56<grove>scootergrisen: I normally do `LANG=C <cmd>` when I need the output from <cmd> in english
10:57<teatime>LANG=en_US.UTF-8 would also work, and support unicode.
10:57<scootergrisen>How do i know what display to use if i want to run gnome-shell --display=?
10:57<teatime>LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 might work better if you have set your locale up in an unusual way.
10:58<teatime>scootergrisen: normally you won't need to use --display= At least, not when you launch it from within the X session where you want it to appear.
10:58<teatime>scootergrisen: what's your situation that's making you need to use --display ?
10:59<scootergrisen>Sometimes GNOME "freezes" so i cant do anything. Then i want to go to TTY1 and restart the things in TTY7
10:59<scootergrisen>Or what ever its called
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11:00<scootergrisen>Like yesterday i draged a 2,2 GB file into my text editor and i could not get in contact with the GUI much
11:00<teatime>by default, you won't be able to start something and have it connect to the X session from TTY1.
11:01<scootergrisen>So how can i revocer from it?
11:01<scootergrisen>I cant type anything in GNOME
11:01<teatime>not sure, I don't use X on debian; someone else should be able to tell you though
11:01<scootergrisen>when it happens
11:01<teatime>and there's always ctrl+alt+backspace
11:01<teatime>which you may have to enable
11:01<scootergrisen>It did not work
11:02<scootergrisen>What about Alt+F2 can i type something there to restart GNOME when it freezes?
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11:04<mtn>scootergrisen: either kill the bad process (editor in your case) or systemctl stop gdm and then systemctl start gdm
11:04<teatime>there you go.
11:04<mtn>scootergrisen: need to be root to do the commands
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11:06<scootergrisen>display seems to be ":0" but how would i know without searching on the web?
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11:06<scootergrisen>mtn can i do that on TTY1?
11:06<teatime>the first X server is generally :0, then :1, etc. but I don't think it helps you much.
11:07<teatime>scootergrisen: yes, you can.
11:07<scootergrisen>How can i kill it from TTY1?
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11:08<mtn>scootergrisen: sure
11:08<mtn>scootergrisen: find process with ps aux then use the kill command
11:08<benoit>How can I join the french canal?
11:08<scootergrisen>Also when i switch to TTY1 the keyboard is using english layout. How can i make it use my danish laylout
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11:08<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
11:08<mtn>benoit: you have a space in front of the /j. get rid of it :)
11:09<scootergrisen>Ok i will try next time it happens
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11:11<teatime>scootergrisen: I think, you would install keyboard-configuration, or if already installed, `dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration` then `service keyboard-setup restart`
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11:15<scootergrisen>ok thanks will try and look into it
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11:23<torouter>is there any reason other than netbios to use a hostname other than localhost?
11:24<sney>well, other name resolution like dns
11:24<sney>if you have a 1-machine lan then it wouldn't be a problem, other than being a bad habit to get into
11:24<teatime>and tradition. having an organizationally-unique identifier for each host is useful.
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11:25<teatime>someone the other day was confounded when `hostname --fqdn` wouldn't work while his short hostname was set to `localhost`. so there's that too. but I guess usually you wouldn't care about the one if you didn't care about the other.
11:27<torouter>but if all computers on the lan use hostname 'localhost'.. everything resolves. its not like anyone really run a local dns server or anything. as opposed to all the computers on the lan having hostname set to debian8 for example
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11:27<torouter>does hostname info ever leave the lan? can a browser show your hostname to the website?
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11:30<sney>it won't leave your lan, no. not in any meaningful way anyway. sometimes sysinfo scripts etc. will show it
11:31<teatime>torouter: lots of people run a local dns server of one kind or another, to be able to use DNS names to connect to their multiple PCs. even if it's entirely private/local.
11:32<sney>"its not like anyone really run a local dns server or anything" <- this is false, also. local dns is great for e.g. not having to remember the ip address of your NAS.
11:32<sney>but if you want to have bad habits for lan setup it's not going to break anything outright, except maybe when you're doing this professionally and you haven't had your morning coffee yet and you name some machine on a corporate network "localhost"
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11:35<sney>should have guessed that from the irc nick. erm, yeah, but a cookie knowing your local machine name is a negligible risk if you don't have any personally identifiable information in it
11:35<sney>just make it a random 8-char string if that's the concern
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11:35<torouter>thats an interesting idea... to randomize it
11:36<sney>date |md5sum and then copy out a chunk of it
11:36<sney>(also a good way to generate passwords locally)
11:36<torouter>on reboot, I could use tor to generate an onion domain too and use that... but isn't that still less private than always using 'localhost'
11:37<sney>not in any meaningful way.
11:37<torouter>sney: I like that date | md5sum idea
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12:22<gueux_>hi! I've an issue trying to enable systemd user services: "$ systemctl --user" returns "Failed to list units: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1"
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12:27<gueux_>TobiX: I started my session with ssh. I did a "#loginctl enable-linger myuser" and rebooted
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12:28<gueux_>"$ loginctl user-status myuser" lists myuser
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12:29<gueux_>"myuser (1000)" "Since: ..." "State: lingering" " Unit: user-1000.slice" " └─user@1000.service" " ├─719 /lib/systemd/systemd --user" " └─729 (sd-pam)"
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12:35<TobiX>gueux_: Strange...
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12:39<gueux_>TobiX: I started dbus-launch from my .bash_profile
12:40<pericynthion>Hello all - does somebody have time to help me debug a complete lack of audio on my Thinkpad X250 running Sid/Stretch? I don't really know where to begin troubleshooting.
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12:40<gueux_>systemd is version 215-17+deb8u3 (I have no issue on my laptop running 229-2) and I have linux-image-4.4.0-1-amd64 from backports
12:40<TobiX>gueux_: Did you save the output in your environment?
12:40<ninjadeer>whoops sorry, missed the join command =] just passing through
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12:41<gueux_>TobiX: what output? dbus-launch?
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12:41<TobiX>pericynthion: #debian-next would be the correct channel for testing/unstable problems
12:41<TobiX>gueux_: Yes.
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12:42<pericynthion>TobiX: Thanks, I'll ask there.
12:42<TobiX>gueux_: See the dbus-launch manpage
12:43<TobiX>dbus-launch emits some environment variables you need to set in your session
12:43<gueux_>I started dbus-launch like that:
12:44<gueux_>"$ echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" returns "unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-m7W8lYjBrG,guid=445f58f65e84f0ca1b0aeefd56df02eb"
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12:44<gueux_>don't know if it's valid, though
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12:45<TobiX>gueux_: Oh, magic :)
12:45<Phosis>Hi..using Bunsenlabs currently. I have a package I am trying to upgrade to the most recent version. I added the source to my repository but it still isn't recognizing the newer version. I'm not sure where to go from here
12:46<TobiX>gueux_: From a glance it looks correct
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12:46<gueux_>TobiX: you're a great wizard :)
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12:48<TobiX>dpkg: teatime Phosis about based on debian
12:48<dpkg>TobiX: I don't know, could you explain it?
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12:48<bremner>any suggestions for alternatives to pdfposter? it seems to fail on the example I care about
12:48<bremner>(some adobe illustrator generated pdf)
12:48<TobiX>dpkg: tell Phosis about based on debian
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12:49<Phosis>Alright thanks
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13:02<gueux_>TobiX: no other idea?
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13:03<TobiX>gueux_: You don't have 2 instances of dbus running as your user, yes?
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13:38<Guest7128>how turn on tearing on intel hd graphics?
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13:38<towo`>turn on tearing?
13:39<towo`>why would anyone do that
13:39<towo`>you know what tearing is?
13:39<towo`>i think not, otherwise you won't enable tearing
13:40<towo`>you may disable tearing, if you have it
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13:41<Guest7128>after update kernel on 4.4.4 i have problem in scroll in chromium like swimming water
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13:42<towo`>there is no kernel 4.4.4 in debian stable
13:42<towo`>and btw, you may want to do apt purge xserver-xorg-video-intel
13:42<vortek>iceweasel is slow . im running 2.2 ghz i7 8 gig ram.. i shouldnt have this problem, any1 know what i should do?
13:42<Guest7128>i get kernel from ubuntu
13:43<towo`>guthen bye
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13:43<towo`>Guest7128, then bye
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13:43<towo`>Guest7128, here is debian, not ubuntu
13:43<ervion>i can't figure out overlayfs on debian 8.3 (mount: unknown filesystem type), lsmod also does not show it
13:44<ervion>is overlayfs available on debian?
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13:45<Guest7128>towo help me pls
13:46<towo`>go to an ubuntu-channel
13:46<towo`>here, no one supports ubuntu
13:46<Guest7128>when i scrolling in chromium i have effects like floats
13:46<towo`>otherwise the channel would not be named #debian
13:46<Guest7128>i have debian with ubuntu kernel
13:46<towo`>not supported
13:46<Guest7128>but i installed and all is good
13:47<Guest7128>am i genius?
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13:47<towo`>but you lost all support
13:47<towo`>so define "good"
13:48<Guest7128>what is kernel use you and what debian release?
13:48<towo`>does it matter?
13:48<towo`>and btw, i told you, what you can do
13:49<towo`>[19:42:30] <towo`> and btw, you may want to do apt purge xserver-xorg-video-intel
13:50<towo`>because modeset is doing the job better than intel at the moment?
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13:50<towo`>and SNA is totaly broken at the moment
13:50<towo`>and now i'm out
13:50<towo`>because i do not support your frankendebianwhatever
13:51<Guest7128>i need remove and again install?
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13:52<towo`>only remove
13:52<Guest7128>i use inside card
13:52<towo`>because it does not work propper
13:52<Guest7128>ha graphics
13:53<towo`>modeset dos fork for intel too
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13:53<Guest7128>how i use debian without driver card?
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13:55<towo`>modeset is a driver
13:55<Guest7128>what is modeset
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13:56<towo`>and since you debian is a secret, it needs xserver-xorg-video-modesetting installed or a xserver >=1.17.x
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13:57<Guest7128>but so what is kernel use you?
13:57<towo`>again, does it matter?
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13:58<Guest7128>yes i'll install like your too
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13:58<towo`>ha ha
13:58<leFrAnCaiS>y'a des francais ?
13:58<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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13:59<leFrAnCaiS>i need help
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13:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:00<leFrAnCaiS>okey so i need help because i want programming my firewall
14:01<leFrAnCaiS>or secure my system
14:01<towo`>then you should as in a channel for such topic
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14:05<shawn>when I am in the install environment and I open a shell, parted is not in my path. I did a "find / -name "*parted*" -type f" and it only found the .udeb's. however, if i choose recovery environment, parted is in the path. how can I get parted without rebooting again
14:05<debian_>hello when i scrolling in chromium i have a floats effect
14:07<chris_se>shawn, you need to load installer components (only available in expert mode)
14:07<towo`>and because of your new name, you think now we support your frankendebian?
14:07<towo`>debian_, ^
14:07<debian_>hahaha towo
14:07<towo`>that's not funny
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14:08<debian_>what is frankend?
14:08<shawn>chris_se: thats lame, because expert mode install asks too many questions
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14:09<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
14:09<towo`>debian_, read it and bye
14:09<debian_>whats is it.
14:09<towo`>play elsewhere
14:09<shawn>towo`: what's frankendebian have to do with his chromium issue?
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14:10<debian_>i'm from russland
14:10<chris_se>shawn, you could install the udeb manually
14:10<towo`>shawn, he has maybe a debian (no one knows) with an ubuntu kernel
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14:10<towo`>shawn, but feel fre to support him
14:10<chris_se>I don't completely remember, but I think dpkg is available in the installer, so you could just do dpkg -i /path/to/udeb
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14:11<debian_>i just use ubuntu's kernel which success installed, why i'm frankendebian?
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14:11<sney>"I just mixed debian and some other distribution, why are you saying I mixed debian and some other distribution" - you
14:12<sney>if you go back to the debian kernel and you still have the problem, maybe someone here will help you. otherwise, go away
14:13<chris_se>shawn, note that "install" within the installer env just means "unpack into ramdisk"
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14:14<debian_>towo towo towo towo
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14:17<debian_>towo towo towo
14:17<debian_>what's kernel use you?
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14:18<shawn>chris_se: udpkg -i
14:18<chris_se>ah ok :) as I said: didn't remember exactly
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14:18<shawn>yeah but i'm glad it's possible
14:18<shawn>now i can access anything from the netinst without rebooting into "recovery" shell
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14:19<debian_>what's kernel intall to me? i have 8.2 debian. shawn please
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14:20<shawn>debian_: it depends, did you have problems with 3.16?
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14:20<debian_>no, i want a fresh kernel and
14:20<towo`>then use backports
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14:21<shawn>debian_: you just want it but dont have a reason?
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14:21<debian_>newest kernel = better kernel
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14:22<shawn>there are bpo kernels as towo` pointed out
14:22<towo`>to old for him, i think
14:22<chris_se>newest kernel is not always better kernel
14:23<towo`>that's only 4.4.3, so its not the best kernel for his thinking
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14:23<debian_>i install 4.4.4 from ubuntu and i have one problem
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14:24<shawn>debian_: newest doesnt mean best. the very latest kernel has bugs that havent been worked out
14:24<debian_>scroll in chromium, effect like float
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14:24<shawn>the most stable kernel will be 3.16 on debian, and then if you cant use that due to hardware you need to support being newer than the kernel, then use the one debian has in backports
14:25<shawn>you're just shooting yourself in the foot
14:25<chris_se>debian_, look, if you want to use this kind of setup, that's up to you. but then you're on your own and can't ask for support. weird graphical artifacts are something that can vary with different kernel versions
14:25<debian_>i can believe what debian'team in future do a new kernel for debian 8.2?
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14:26<chris_se>the kernel for Debian 8.x will always be 3.16.x - with additional bugfixes and sometimes additional drivers for newer hardware
14:26<debian_>i cry
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14:27<chris_se>why? if you always want the newest, then debian stable is not the right thing for you. consider using testing or a rolling release distribution. debian stable is when you want to have something that's rock-solid
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14:27<anarolds>if i use proxy setting in network setting all my traffic go thought it?empathy also?
14:28<chris_se>for example, oldstable (7.x / Wheezy) still has kernel 3.2.x
14:28<chris_se>anarolds, it depends on where you set it
14:28<shawn>this laptop I am installing debian on needs bpo kernel to work, but if it didnt NEED it i would just use 3.16
14:28<debian_>chris what's kernel use
14:28<somiaj>debian_: debian provides backports for jessie, you can get the 4.3 kernel from jessie-backports at this time
14:28<chris_se>empathy is GNOME, right? so if you change a GNOME setting, empathy _should_ respect it
14:29<debian_>link pls
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14:29<somiaj>[note backports won't have the same testing/security as offical jessie packges, but they are provided for those who want them and don't want to run testing]
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14:29<chris_se>(see also instructions etc. - please read that carefully)
14:30<chris_se>anarolds, "settings -> network" where exactly?
14:30<anarolds>after that network proxy
14:30<chris_se>no, I mean in which program
14:30<anarolds>choose manually and add it
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14:30<chris_se>lots of programs may have "settings -> network"
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14:31<anarolds>it's in debian settings
14:32<chris_se>that's too vague. could you post a screenshot or something?
14:32<anarolds>where my wifi and wired connections
14:33<anarolds>right click on Desktop and choose settings
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14:34<debian_>gyus do you have a image backport 4.2?
14:34<chris_se>debian_, probably has some
14:35<debian_>how i find date of 4.2 image>?
14:37<somiaj>debian_: why do you need the 4.2 backport and not just use the 4.3 backport provided?
14:37<debian_>because i want
14:38<bremner>whoa. snappy comeback.
14:38<bremner>sarcasm ^
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14:41<somiaj>debian_: as suggested, but expect to get all the bugs/security issues with the package
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14:43<chris_se>anarolds, this here?
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14:44<gueux_>TobiX: it seems I have a new "/usr/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 4 --print-address 6 --session" each time I open a new session
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14:44<anarolds>chris_se: yes
14:44<debian_>thanks to all i found the kernel 4.2
14:45<debian_>usa i love you
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14:45<chris_se>so yes, it will use that setting if the protocol is supported
14:46<debian_>chris where are you from
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14:48<chris_se>(Jessie has glib 2.42, telepathy-gabble 0.18.3 btw., so they are new enough, in case you were wondering)
14:48<debian_>ok. i go install the new kernel
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14:48<shawn>i wonder why he's now happy with a 4.2 kernel when he didnt want the 4.3 kernel bpo offered him
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14:49<chris_se>yeah, I also didn't get that. especially since they wanted to have the newest kernel
14:49<shawn>yeah his reason for not using 4.3 was because it wasnt as high as 4.4 lol
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14:50<chris_se>perhaps they don't like the number 3? so 3.16 bad (3 major version), 4.3 bad (3 minor version)
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14:51<somiaj>could have the old version numbers, even = release, odd = development
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14:51<somiaj>so 4.3 is a development kernel and 4.4 is the actual release (though this hasn't been used for years)
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14:52<chris_se>when was 2.6.0 released again when that changed? *wikipedia* oh yeah, December 2003 - so over 12 years ago
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14:55<kulyzu>i don't now how to remove this file
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14:55<kuly-zu>i don't know how to remove this file
14:55<kuly-zu>please help
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14:56<sney>kulyzu: what happens when you try
14:56<somiaj>kulyzu: rm /path/to/file/
14:57<somiaj>kulyzu: also no need to paste that link so many times, just be patient.
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15:45<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I need a help to understand what is happening to my hard drive. I ran sudo badblocks -sv -c 1024 /dev/sda and saw errors like this line: 91709080done, 14:50 elapsed. (28/0/0 errors). Before it was (0/0/0 errors). What is exactly this number 28 ?
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16:00<chris_se>R4F_Debian, see:
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16:00<chris_se>so 28 read errors
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16:00<chris_se>(which is bad, you should replace the drive)
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16:01<R4F_Debian>Oh, hi chris_se, nice to see you here ! A bit worried here because of that. This kind of error is physical in hard drive, not just logical error ? I will read your article, but, please, just answer me about this
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16:03<chris_se>it's not my article, it's a search result I found online ;-) well, it could be a logical error in theory (for example, if there are some voltage fluctuations and your motherboard doesn't quite like them and confuses responses of the hard drive), but _extremely_ unlikely
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16:04<chris_se>the most likely scenario is that you're drive is nearly dead. you should back up as much data as possible NOW and buy a new drive as soon as possible
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16:05<chris_se>do you have smartmontools installed?
16:05<chris_se>smartctl can also give you some indication on the drive's health status
16:05<chris_se>(or lack thereof)
16:05<R4F_Debian>no, chris_se, I will install it now, apt-get install smartmontools ?
16:06<chris_se>in principle: yes. but please back up your data first before you write additional stuff to the disk
16:06<R4F_Debian>ok chris_se, they were moved to other drive and are safe now
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16:06<R4F_Debian>I did it some minutes ago, before talking to you
16:06<chris_se>ok, then install smartmontools like you said and do: smartctl -a /dev/drive
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16:07<chris_se>(replace /dev/dribe with the one that's causing trouble)
16:07<chris_se>and stop the badblocks, it's probably not useful for you anymore
16:07<R4F_Debian>ok chris_se, I will do it, and thanks a lot, already stoped here
16:07<chris_se>you can copy the output of smartctl to
16:07<R4F_Debian>to show you ?
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16:08<R4F_Debian>Great, let me start this procedure here, thanks a lot, chris_se !
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16:11<R4F_Debian>chris_se, I will be busy now here, can I show you afterwards ?
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16:11<chris_se>if I'm still here, sure
16:12<christian_>i look for something
16:12<christian_>can you help me
16:12<R4F_Debian>ok, what is the time now where you are ?
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16:12<R4F_Debian>I think in 2 hours I will be free time again
16:12<chris_se>R4F_Debian, well, then it will be close
16:13<R4F_Debian>I see, can I show you tomorrow ?
16:13<chris_se>well, you can also ask other people here, smartctl is very well known
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16:13<R4F_Debian>It would be quite important your analysis for me, chris_se, but I have duty here
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16:13<chris_se>christian, don't ask to ask, just ask
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16:14<R4F_Debian>but, can I show you tomorrow, I would like to show you this results
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16:14<R4F_Debian>ops, chris_se, can I show you tomorrow ? I would like a lot to show you these results
16:15<chris_se>when I'm here: sure
16:15<christian_>ok i look for any converter videos to install in my computer
16:15<christian_>how can i do
16:15<chris_se>what do you mean with "converter videos"?
16:15<chris_se>do you mean video encoder?
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16:16<christian_>i want to convert some videos to audios
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16:18<chris_se>so you want to extract the audio track?
16:18<chris_se>of what video format?
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16:18<chris_se>(or rather: what video container format? avi? mkv? mp4? something else?)
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16:20<christian_>something like that
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16:20<chris_se>you have to be more specific for us to help you
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16:21<christian_>ok like mp4, avi, vob
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16:22<chris_se>what Debian version are you running?
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16:23<chris_se>ok, so I only know how to do that on the command line, I don't know any graphical utility
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16:23<chris_se>install the libav-tools package
16:24<debian_lux>Hello, could you please let me know if I can set a multi seat system using a laptop (so only a graphic card)?
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16:26<chris_se>christian, an then you can use (on the command line): avconv -i inputfile.mp4 -vn -acodec copy output.sound
16:26<chris_se>this will copy the audio track from the file into "output.sound" - I have used ".sound" as extension because it depends on the input what format that will be
16:26<chris_se>in MP4 most of the time you will get AAC (use .aac as ending)
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16:27<chris_se>but it really depends - you can use "file output.sound" to determine the type and then rename it
16:27<chris_se>(with the proper ending)
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16:27<chris_se>debian_lux, I don't think that's currently possible
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16:28<chris_se>debian_lux, as far as I know (and I haven't tried any of this, but I have followed some mailing list discussions on this issue), multiseat works by assigning real device nodes to different seats
16:28<chris_se>problem is: per GPU you only get one device node (/dev/dri/cardX, replace X with a number) - so you can only assign it to one seat
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16:28<christian_>i try to install the package but it refuses
16:29<chris_se>debian_lux, and there's no real multiplexer for this kind of thing available - not that it wouldn't be in principle possible, but no one has implemented this as far as I know
16:29<debian_lux>chris_se: the setup you are talking about is based on loginctl? Those are the ones that I'm trying to use has a reference, but I get stuck at the graphic card directly :)
16:29<chris_se>so while it should be in principle possible to do what you want, I don't think it's possible in practice - unless you buy a USB graphics card
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16:29<chris_se>debian_lux, yes, I was referring to the systemd-devel mailing list I was reading this on
16:30<chris_se>christian, what error message?
16:31<chris_se>debian_lux, so if you plug in another mouse or keyboard, they will appear as a new /dev/input/eventX (replace X by a number), so you can easily assign those to a different seat
16:31<chris_se>and if you have multiple graphics cards, you have multiple /dev/dri/cardX (card0, card1, ...) - and then you can assign one to each seat
16:32<chris_se>but if you just have one GPU, you can only assign it to one specific seat, unfortunately
16:32<christian_>it says impossible to find the package
16:32<chris_se>maybe there are people working on supporting this, but there's nothing available so far, unfortunately for you - sorry
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16:32<debian_lux>chris_se: that was what I understood too, that having a separate graphic card was the first step. If I understood correctly the fact of attaching a graphic card to a new seat will create the seat
16:32<nikoskeyz>hello. i am new to debian contribution. i would like to add my native's language translation to debian website. could someone help me with my first steps? (just the essentials)
16:33<chris_se>christian_, are you running Jessie?
16:33<chris_se>apt-get install libav-tools
16:33<debian_lux>chris_se: thank you for your time any way :)
16:33<chris_se>debian_lux, sorry to not be of more help :(
16:34<chris_se>but as far as I can tell you did understand that correctly with the seats
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16:34<christian_>it goes now
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16:35<chris_se>that describes how to add a new translation to the debian website
16:35<nikoskeyz>thank you very much. lost in a chaos of links!
16:35<chris_se>yeah, the debian website is sometimes not too easy to navigate
16:36<chris_se>btw. what language do you want to add (out of curiosity)?
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16:39<nikoskeyz>chris_se, greek. It's waaay out of date.
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16:39<chris_se>oh cool, good luck :)
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16:59<vortek>hrm chinese or pizza
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17:01<Guest7142>chinese on pizza?
17:01<vortek>sorry wrong channel hehe
17:01<vortek>im tryingto figure out what to have tonight
17:01<endoril>hi all, sorry to ask this, but : how to flush dns cache on debian jessie ?
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17:04<endoril>there is no dnsmasq, nscd or named service
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17:06<endoril>ive found dnsmasq command, so i try (dumbly) "if [ -z "$(ps aux|grep dnsmasq|grep -v grep)" ];then dnsmasq;fi && kill -SIGHUP $(pgrep dnsmasq)" without success ;)
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17:07<ola>ola ola ola
17:08<endoril>olalaaaaa ! =)
17:08<ola>olaaaaaaaaa! :D
17:08<endoril>ola ! ola ola ! xD
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17:09<endoril>chau +++ =)
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17:38<josi>Hi, I'm trying to log things in a cronjob with /usr/bin/logger. but it doesn't log things. it's quite wierd. it works when I do " run-parts /etc/cron.hourly " but not when cron runs it.
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17:41<chris_se>josi, what logger line are you using?
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17:41<chris_se>(also: what Debian version, what syslog implementation?)
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17:43<josi>chris_se: 2>&1 | /usr/bin/logger -t something. , rsyslog, jessie .
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17:46<josi>what I find strange is that it logs just fine when I do the run-parts as root. the script is also executed correctly it seems. jst the logging does not really work .
17:46<ivan_>how do i install java 8 on linux
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17:46<chris_se>josi, let me just test that for a sec
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17:46<chris_se>ivan_, which debian version are you using?
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17:47<chris_se>ivan_, cat /etc/debian_version
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17:47<ivan_>put that in terminal
17:47<chris_se>josi, hmm, strange, works for me, at least in cron.d
17:47<chris_se>ivan_, yes
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17:47<josi>oh yeah. it works in crontab for me too it seems
17:48<josi>it's so weird :P
17:48<chris_se>but it doesn't work in cron.hourly?
17:48<Guest7151>when next version of debian?
17:48<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
17:49<chris_se>ivan_, ok, you are running Debian Jessie. openjdk 8 is available in jessie-backports, see for instructions on how to enable backports
17:49<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>.
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17:49<chris_se>ivan_, then you can install the package openjdk-8-jre from jessie-backports
17:50<chris_se>that will contain a java 8 implementation
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17:50<chris_se>Guest7151, next debian version: not earlier than April 2017 would be my guess ("It's ready when it's ready.")
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17:51<chris_se>(testing freeze is Feb. 5th 2017, freeze period is a couple of months at least, so April 2017 would be _very_ optimistic, more likely June or so)
17:51<josi>chris_se: did you try something like /5 * * * * echo something | logger in cron.d ?
17:51<chris_se>josi, no, I tried 47 23 * * * root /root/ and had echo foo 2>&1 | logger -t something
17:51<Guest7151>chris_se, thanks!
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17:52<ivan_>i put this deb jessie-backports main and it said deb is not a command
17:52<chris_se>ivan_, you have to put that in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
17:52<chris_se>that's a configuration line
17:52<chris_se>please read the instructions fully, don't just copy stuff without reading the text surrounding it
17:53<chris_se>open your favorite text editor, tell it to load /etc/apt/sources.list, add that line, save the file, close the text editor
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17:53<chris_se>alternatively, if you're lazy:
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17:53<chris_se>echo 'deb jessie-backports main' >> /etc/apt/sources.list
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17:53<chris_se>(important: two > signs directly after each other, if you just use one, you screw up your system)
17:54<chris_se>josi, the next hour starts soon, i'll add it to my cron.hourly and see what happens in 5 minutes, ok?
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17:54<josi>chris_se: I'm testing the cron.d . my hourlys seems to be at 30
17:55<chris_se># cat /etc/cron.hourly/test-deb-irc
17:55<chris_se>{ echo foo; echo bar >&2 ; } 2>&1 | logger -t something
17:55<josi>huh. logger didn't work in cron.d
17:56<chris_se>ok, then it's not cron.hourly and I don't have to wait
17:56<chris_se>but then also no idea what's going on...
17:56<dpkg>Ask me about <alsa>, <alsa checklist>. See also <default alsa>, <pulseaudio>.
17:56<chris_se>are you doing any chroot in your script?
17:57<chris_se>(for logger or syslog in general to work you need access to /dev/log, which on default Jessie is a symlink to /run/systemd/journal/dev-log)
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17:57<chris_se>or other question: what cron implementation are you using?
17:57<chris_se>dpkg -S /usr/bin/crontab
17:57<dpkg>Badgers ate my /usr/bin/crontab!
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17:58<josi>chris_se: no chroots. just /usr/bin/somecommand 2>&1 | logger -t something . It's baffling really :P
17:58<josi>and it logs fine when I execute the script myself
17:59<chris_se>how are you checking whether it logs?
17:59<josi>tail -f /var/log/syslog
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17:59<josi>I mean I see the rest of the logging output being logged. because I restart the deamon afterwards
17:59<josi>so systemd logs just fine
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17:59<chris_se>hmmm... do you perchance have a syslog rule that filters stuff from cron out?
18:00<chris_se>what does journalctl -u cron say?
18:00<ivan_>i dont get it i read everything and i dont understand
18:01<josi>chris_se: well cron is chatty as always. things like running the hourly and daily ...
18:01<chris_se>josi, but the logger output doesn't appear?
18:01<chris_se>(in journalctl -u cron I mean)
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18:02<josi>chris_se: nope no logger output in cron logs
18:02<chris_se>oh wait, it doesn't for me either
18:02<josi>it would be strange if it did
18:02<chris_se>does it appear in plain journalctl
18:02<chris_se>(not the ones from your manual tests, the ones from cron-executed ones)
18:03<josi>chris_se: just like in syslog, only the manual tests. but no cron executed ones. I see the cron hourly starting. systemD restarting the deamon, but not the updater that runs before :P
18:05<josi>that's what I'm thinking
18:05<chris_se>could you try to just create cron.d that does echo foo | logger -t something manually?
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18:06<themill>You can't have - in the filename in cron.hourly
18:07<chris_se>themill, in cron.daily I have e.g. man-db from official debian packages
18:07<themill>yeah, run-parts(8) is vague about t his
18:07<chris_se>- should be perfectly fine
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18:07<chris_se>josi, so the only thing I could think of is the following: logger doesn't log anything if there's no output
18:07<chris_se>so what you could do is the following:
18:08<chris_se>replace: command 2>&1 | logger -t something
18:08<chris_se>with: { echo begin ; command; echo end ; } 2>&1 | logger -t something
18:08<josi>chris_se: ... when I did "8 0 * * * root echo bla bla bla | logger -t fucking" it actually logged my profanity.
18:08<josi>I'm so confused :P
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18:09<chris_se>so maybe command reacts differently whether it's executed from cron or from the shell - and produces no output when executed from cron
18:09<chris_se>that would be the only thing I can think of
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18:10<josi>I'll try to put some echos in a script and see what it does
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18:13<dpkg>hmm... bb is apt-get install bb && bb. Barbados
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18:14<josi>chris_se: It must be someting like that, just echoing some stuff works . the script is probably silent when running in cron? though I don't know how it would notice it is run by cron.
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18:17<chris_se>josi, maybe it figures out if it has a controlling terminal?
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18:19<chris_se>josi, you could try: setsid sh -c '/your/script' </dev/null >/tmp/output 2>&1
18:19<chris_se>and look at the contents of /tmp/output after a while (setsid runs in background)
18:20<chris_se>(that will run the script without a controlling terminal)
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18:23<josi>chris_se: that seems to be it
18:24<josi>it automatically shuts up during cron jobs, or non-crontrolling terminals. it's helpful I guess.
18:24<chris_se>maybe there is a flag to make it verbose again
18:24<josi>and it logs extremely verbose output in some obscure location too
18:24<josi>maybe. but the documentation is spotty at best :P
18:25<josi>I ain't touching that
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18:29<josi>thanks for that setsid stuff. now I can test cronjob more better good.
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19:39<freds>hola alguien sabe programar en java?
19:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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20:12<ckubrak>Hi guys, would someone tell me about the main difference between Debian Flavors (cinnamon,gnome,kde,lxde,mate,standard and xfce)? I'm about to install Debian but I dont know which
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20:16<teatime>they're just different desktop environments; same OS underneath.
20:16<teatime>you can install them all and try each one out :)
20:17<ckubrak>Can I install them all at the same time?
20:17<teatime>(after you install, run `tasksel` as root to install additional desktops_
20:17<ckubrak>Oh that's great, thanks
20:17<ckubrak>I'll do that
20:18<ckubrak>When I decide which one I want, can I delete them?
20:18<teatime>yeah, more or less.
20:19<ckubrak>If I don't delte them, will it use lot's of space/memory?
20:19<teatime>it can be kindof fiddly to get rid of each and every package cleanly.
20:19<teatime>it'll use some disk space is all.
20:19<ckubrak>Then it'll be fine
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20:20<ckubrak>2GHZ dual core with 3GB RAM and about 200GB of Hard Disk will do it, right?
20:21<ckubrak>I'm planning to get Debian 8
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20:21<teatime>even if you install all of the DE's, it'll take up a lot less space than you probably think.
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20:50<live>Can someone please help me, I've installed Windows 10 and Linux on a relatively new laptop (windows 8, uefi, I've already disabled secure boot) I've tried running boot-repair but when I retsart the computer Windows 10 boots every time
20:53<abrotman>what is boot repair?
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20:57<teste>what should I do to safely and properly change the name of my Debian-based operating system? For example, I want it to show "Welcome to Redebian" when the system is booting instead of "Welcome to Debian". And I want the update-grub script to recognize the system as "Redebian". I hope I made it clear and that someone can help me.
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21:02<live> boot repair is a utility that reinstalls grub
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21:03<abrotman>but this isn't #ubuntu
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22:00<aranax>hi guys! someone knows where is the script who removes a package from testing when it has a rc bug?
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22:01<somiaj>aranax: What do you mean? Or why do you want that script.
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22:03<aranax>somiaj, because I want to learn how to read packages from a mirror
22:04<aranax>somiaj, I remember that someone create a script that autoremove packages from testing
22:04<somiaj>aranax: I don't see the connenction.
22:04<aranax>and return it to sid
22:05<somiaj>aranax: it doesn't work that way afiak. During the freeze, matainershave a certain amount of time to fix packages that have rc bugs other wise the release leaders remove them. I don't recall any script that does this automatically
22:05<aranax>somiaj, if you need to remove a package from testing you have to check if this one have a bug rc and then check his dependencies and then remove it
22:05<somiaj>aranax: also the packages don't return to sid, and I'm unsure what this would have to do with your install.
22:05<aranax>somiaj, I want to learn how to automate some tasks with debian packages
22:05<aranax>so that is my motivation
22:06<abrotman>which tasks?
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22:20<aranax>abrotman, research bugs an relations between packages
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23:58<tonnynjija>how can i set tor as default web in gnome?
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---Logclosed Wed Mar 09 00:00:05 2016