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00:14<somiaj>tonnynjija: xdg-settings I think can set the default browser for gnome.
00:14<somiaj>tonnynjija: this may not effect every default, but I think in gnome it will most likely work for your ussage
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01:17<twb> FOILED AGAIN!
01:17<twb>Last month jessie smartmontools switched to using https. Now busybox wget cannot work
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01:28<jm_>heh that command has been removed from smartmontools in testing, see #804299
01:28<judd>Bug in smartmontools (closed, security): «smartmontools: update-smart-drivedb downloads unauthenticated data from the web»; severity: important; opened: 2015-11-07; last modified: 2016-02-05.
01:29<twb>what about update-pciids and update-usbids ?
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01:29<twb>I run all three when I build my OS, then never rerun them
01:29<twb>Ah, the other two are also mentioned there :-)
01:29<jm_>it mentions those too but I haven't followed package updates for them
01:31<twb>So the immediate question is: should I still be running those commands?
01:32<twb>The (long term) problem I'm trying to solve is I can't buy old hardware to match the old OS
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01:32<twb>for PCI and USB I definitely need newer databases, because I used those to report inmates plugging in contraband devices
01:32<twb>Being able to say "inmate p123 plugged in a Samsung Galaxy S5" is way better than "inmate plugged in unknown device (dead:beef)"
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01:34<twb>Also: right now, there *isn't* a backport of smartmontools. Do I have to write pinning rules to say "if and when smartmontools appears in backports, upgrade to it" ?
01:34<jm_>to be honest, I never used anything other than update-pciids, the only file I ever needed to update is /etc/hddtemp.db, but I see I could make smartctl not say Unknown attribute if I edit the file but dist upgrade would then probably overwrite my changes
01:35<twb>update-smart-drivedb I only started doing because I was already doing PCI and USB
01:35<twb>It updates the list of known drives that need workarounds
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01:35<jm_>yeah mostly adding -d sat and similar stuff
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01:36<twb>I have a feeling just -d sat is automagic, and it's more like for stuff like those drives that ALWAYS fail when they get to 95% of a self-test
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01:39<twb>Anyway right now update-smart-drivedb is broken for me:
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01:42<Alam_Squeeze>twb: I thought that update was broken
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01:46<jm_>hmm it's failing because sourceforge change something, not because of https
01:47<jm_>i.e. check /var/lib/smartmontools/drivedb/drivedb.h.error
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01:48<twb>Because I did an ubuntu 10.04 one yesterday where they had changed it
01:48<twb>and when I eyeballed the failure in jessie, it looked like it was a sane URL
01:48<twb>The https part was earlier, because I was cheating and telling smartd to use busybox wget (which is normally impossible)
01:49<twb>because I have a 50MB OS image and I didn't want to bloat it out with a squillion mozilla-approved TLS certs
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01:53<twb>jm_: OK so the reason curl is failing is because update-smart-drivedb doesn't pass -L to curl
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01:53<twb>Grmph. (Installing wget instead of curl pulls in an extra 6MB of Unicode library)
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01:55<twb>If I install wget *and* remove curl, it works
01:56<jm_>twb: yeah I noticed this by running wget manually on the URL and it worked so I ran it with set -x and noticed there was no actual error reported by curl so looked further ...
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02:05<twb>I'm writing a grumpy reportbug -k now
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02:12<jm_>it probably won't make much difference with the script already been removed?
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02:15<twb>Yeah that's why -k
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02:31<jm_>twb: looks fine to me
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03:00<phaz>I have a question about lamp
03:00<phaz>am I in the right area?
03:00<twb>probably not
03:01<twb>What's the question?
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03:01<phaz>when I type localhost into the browser how do I get it to redirect to public_html which is in the home directory
03:02<phaz>I followed this
03:02<phaz>and its not working like how I was expecting
03:02<twb>that is done by a module in apache
03:02<twb>mod_userdir or something
03:02<phaz>thats in that link
03:03<twb>Have you tried reading the logs
03:03<jm_>and what were you expecting?
03:03<phaz>so sorry for the noobiness but no i havent
03:03<twb>I don't mind mistakes as long as you learn from them :-)
03:05<phaz>@jm_ that based on that link if followed correctly I'd be able to to just type in "localhost/index.html" and it would load the file directly from "home/username/public_html"
03:06<phaz>but instead it is loading them from the default directory "var/www/html"
03:06<twb>phaz: you browse to e.g. http://127.1/~phaz/waffles.jpg and that expands to the file ~phaz/public_html/waffles.jpg, where ~phaz is usually /home/phaz
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03:07<jm_>phaz: you need ~ for user dirs,
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03:07<jm_>wiki says it like so: Place some web content in ~/public_html and see the results at http://localhost/~username
03:08<phaz>it worked
03:08<phaz>thank you
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03:08<twb>You can type %7E instead if you want
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03:09<twb>If you want to do it differently you can either fiddle with mod_userdir's options, or use a different method.
03:09<twb>For boring apache configuration details try #httpd on freenode
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03:11<phaz>wow I found that exact part. I apologize. I have honestly gone over this wiki so many times and that never clicked I even tried googling for a couple days trying to find a solution and just got more confused
03:11<twb>don't worry about it
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03:56<anes>Dear Friends, Got error on Deb package creation :
03:56<anes>please advise
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03:58<towo^work>debian/rules:6: *** missing separator. Stop.
03:58<towo^work>fix it
03:59<anes>my rule file is this :
03:59<somiaj>anes: if your still buidling on ubuntu in you are in the wrong channel.
03:59<anes>please advise what change need
04:00<twb>anes: use literal tabs, join #ubuntu-devel on freenode, or join #debian-mentors on OFTC.
04:01<twb>Use $(CURDIR) not $$(pwd), or better, pass appropriate options to dh_auto_install, or better, fix upstream to expect PREFIX (not prefix).
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04:04<anes>twb: I changed that line to : override_dh_auto_install:
04:04<anes> $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/hithere prefix=/usr install
04:04<anes>but still same error
04:04<twb>anes: sorry, no more help from me here.
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04:46<dsupport>hello. about contribution. how to push my web translation to cvs? how to get an account with write permissions?
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04:47<themill>dsupport: the people in #debian-www will be able to help you with that
04:48<dsupport>going there. have a nice day
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04:49<themill>thanks for contributing
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05:06<sveta>hi! i installed debian kde live iso. when i try to log in it hangs for more than 5 minutes. how do i troubleshoot this please?
05:06<sveta>i then installed xfce4 and it logs in just fine.
05:06<sveta>what it does is it shows the few large kde style icons (hdd, sttings, browser, display) and then does nothing and sits there for quite a while. the cursor is visible and i can move it.
05:06<sveta>i asked at #debian at the other network but haven't got a reply yet. if i do then i will share it here.
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05:23<Samsa_>hi. I run xfce/debian,, and would love to disable automounting on usb devices; how the hell should I do that? I inserted a line in /etc/fstab to not automount a certain device, but I bet I need to reboot to get that to work. anyhow,,, I would like to disable ALL devices from automounting; is there a way to do that?
05:24<teatime>afaik fstab should take effect immediately; I think it will look for a noauto flag there each time you connect a device.
05:24<teatime>but that doesn't answer your actual qustion
05:25<sveta>check thunar options ?
05:25<Samsa_>teatime, thanks anyway.
05:25<Samsa_>sveta, of course.. I was checking nautilus... wrong wrong wrong
05:25<Samsa_>sveta, will check
05:25<teatime>my desktp is actually fedora, but I also use XFCE, and have a section for removable drives in the settings.
05:26<zeta>sveta: you could check your logfiles for errors relating to kde/kde-started services
05:27<sveta>which? i checked xsession-errors but i don't see anything
05:27<Samsa_>teatime, where? in thunar I have disabled "active volume blablabla"(my translation) since before
05:27<tmsbrg>wasn't there a way to boot with a terminal showing you the boot status so you know where it gets stuck? I don't remember how
05:28<tmsbrg>but I guess the problem is with the log in process itself
05:28<teatime>Samsa_: ah, it is just showing me the Thunar settings there.
05:29<Samsa_>teatime, ok. will just reboot now and see what happens (regarding everything else that ive been changing)
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05:29<teatime>this is what it looks like though
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05:38<zeta>sveta: did you look at journalctl too?
05:38<sveta>zeta: no journal files were found
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05:41<zeta>if your user isn't in the journalctl group you have to run the command as root
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05:45<sveta>zeta: found
05:46<sveta>zeta: as root, is journalctl
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05:55<zeta>sorry, I can't point you to the cause. hopefully somebody with more kde experience shows up
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05:59<sveta>i am installing nvidia drivers from non-free, as i seem to have a geforce go 7300 g72m
06:00<sveta>i'm installing the 304xx package
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06:08<sveta>oh, interesting, disabling compositing worked
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06:33<Scuttle>anyone familiar with preseeding using a Microsoft DHCP-server to announce the url to the preseed-conf? Can't find any info on what DHCP-option to set
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06:37<jm_> this doesn't help?
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06:38<Scuttle>jm_: not really... It just says to use the "filename" parameter, not what value that parameter has
06:39<jm_>Scuttle: value is http://host/preseed.cfg
06:39<Scuttle>right, right
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06:39<Scuttle>but the "filename" dhcp-option doesn't correspond to any of these:
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06:40<jm_>yeah since it's probably useless for what DHCP is used normally I guess
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06:40<Scuttle>and since "filename" is not a valid option in the Microsoft DHCP-server I need to know what "tag" filename uses, so I can select the right one
06:41<jm_>i would just stick it into a test isc dhcp server and inspect the traffic with wireshark
06:41<Scuttle>yeah, that's one way of doing it, was hoping it didn't have to come to that :)
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06:46<rpetre>Scuttle: it should be 67
06:46<jm_>there you go
06:46<rpetre>(and 66 for server)
06:46<Scuttle>ooh...they're using the bootfile option
06:46<Scuttle>let's see...
06:46<rpetre>(i haven't tested it, just looking at that link)
06:47<rpetre>i'm pretty sure it must be buried somewhere in the isc manpages
06:47<Scuttle>that's the option I use then PXE-booting, but makes (kinda) sense to use it here too
06:47<Scuttle>hm, ye´p...that seems to have done the trick
06:48<Scuttle>install chugging along nicely from the preseed-script
06:48<jm_>heh so it's not useless for normal dhcp use :P
06:49<rpetre>congrats ;)
06:49*rpetre glad to contribute to #debian for a change
06:50<Scuttle>now I gotta figure out a smart way to inject my ssh-key to the install somehow...
06:53<jm_>to ssh to the installer?
06:54<rpetre>Scuttle: i use late-command + preseed_fetch
06:54<rpetre>d-i preseed/late_command string preseed_fetch / /tmp/ ; log-output -t late_script sh -x /tmp/
06:54<Scuttle>nah, to add my public ssh-key to the useraccount I create
06:54<Scuttle>right, that's what I'm looking at
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06:54<rpetre>this downloads from the pxe root and runs it
06:54<rpetre>i bootstrap cfengine with that, but whatever works for you
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06:56<rpetre>take note that this runs in the installer environment, you can use "in-target" as a chroot wrapper to use the installed system
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07:07<Scuttle>yep, yep...this seems to work fine... a complete hands-off installation
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08:36<madduck>just installed the standard jessie GNOME desktop task for the first time. It's missing the normal "desktop", i.e. the ability to add links or drag files to ~/Desktop. Moreover, files in that directory don't show up on the desktop. What gives?
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08:38<krymzon>part of the usual Gnome drive towards simplification, in this case correct IMHO. Not debian-specific
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08:38<madduck>is there a package to install to add this functionality?
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08:38<madduck>or has GNOME just decided that users don't want/need this?
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08:40<krymzon>I think it's a config option, see
08:40<krymzon>I haven't tried it myself, though
08:42<madduck>yeah,t hat works
08:42<madduck>thanks for your help
08:42<krymzon>great, no worries :)
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09:09<madduck>i still can't put links to samba shares on the desktop. wondering how to do automount
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09:25<nkuttler>madduck: you can add them to your fstab
09:27<madduck>nkuttler: yes, of course I could do that, or use pam_mount, but considering GNOME/gvfs already assumes that you don't do this by reinventing the entire SMB stack, I am missing this basic functionality there…
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10:16<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like to know if there is any command in Debian Jessie that permits adjustment to brightness intensity of notebook screen. I put brightness in a certain level but it gets lower lonely, and my battery is ok, without any technical problem, apparently
10:17<R4F_Debian>I use MATE de, but couldn't find any device that should permit such adjustment through its graphical environment
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10:18<grove>R4F_Debian: xbacklight can adjust brightness of laptop screens
10:19<R4F_Debian>Hi grove ! Thanks for attention !
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10:21<R4F_Debian>well, grove, this machine came with Windows 8 and was upgraded to Windows 10, because guarantee issues, but I migrated this hardware to Debian Jessie 8.3. Before I used a device in Windows that permitted economy adjustment for battery, so, this problem didn't happened. Is there a need of extra parameters to be used together 'xbacklight', or only this command fixes the problem ?
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10:27<fniepelt>Have the Squeeze packages been kicked out of the mirrors?
10:27<awal>R4F_Debian, mate-power-manager doesn't include a function for control brightness?
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10:28<somiaj>fniepelt: yes, squeeze has been on for a while and now that squeeze-lts is no longer supported the squeeze-lts packages will be moved there as well
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10:30<awal>if not, right clic in mate panel and you may find a plugin you can add to your panel for brightness stuff, R4F_Debian
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10:30<R4F_Debian>well, awal, I use mate here, but where exactly can I find this device ? At first, I thought it could be found in the 'System Tools' menu, but there isn't over there
10:31<awal>being a gnome2 fork, mate may still maintaining the gnome2 brightness plugin
10:31<fniepelt>somiaj: thanks. Is the migration process still running? Some archive mirrors seem to be out of sync / different from others
10:31<Brigo>R4F_Debian, right click in a panel and check +add to pannel
10:31<awal>I dont use mate, sorry, check you power-settings and panel plugins
10:31<R4F_Debian>awal, the first suggestion you have passed me: mate-power-manager. Where can I find it ?
10:32<R4F_Debian>Hi Brigo, Nice to see you again !
10:32<Brigo>R4F_Debian, mate-power-manager is a package
10:32<somiaj>fniepelt: I'm unsure when squeeze-lts will be moved. squeeze is already moved I belive.
10:32<R4F_Debian>ok awal, but thanks a lot for your attention and suggestion !
10:32<awal>R4F_Debian, follow Brigo, he knows more about mate
10:32<Brigo>R4F_Debian, hi again :)
10:32<awal>Brigo: ;)
10:32<R4F_Debian>ok awal, Brigo is really a Very Nice and Friendly Debian Warrior !
10:33<Brigo>awal, stop running! :)
10:33<R4F_Debian>bye the way, you too, awal !
10:33<R4F_Debian>Brigo, in the case, I use apt-get install to install this package ?
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10:34<grove>R4F_Debian: I have no idea, I just use xbacklight to adjust the brigthness when I press the keys with "brightness symbol +/-" on my laptop
10:34<Brigo>R4F_Debian, if it is not yet installed, yes.
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10:34<R4F_Debian>it is already installed here, Brigo
10:35<awal>R4F_Debian, 'aptitude show mate-power-manager' says installed or not?
10:35<Brigo>R4F_Debian, that i thought, it should be.
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10:36<Brigo>sorry mates, i have to go.
10:36<R4F_Debian>I didn't have this package, awal, xbacklight, now it's being installed. Let me install Brigo's suggestion, mate-power-manager
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10:37<R4F_Debian>Bye Brigo, Glad do see you again, and thanks for help !
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10:37<fniepelt>somiaj: okay, some mirrors seem to already have squeeze-lts and some don't which lead to some strange behaviours in one of our processes. Thanks for the information
10:38<Brigo>R4F_Debian, bye :)
10:38<R4F_Debian>awal, it says: State: installed, Automatically installed: no
10:38<R4F_Debian>Bye, Brigo, have you a nice day !
10:39<R4F_Debian>xbacklight is installed already, I will try this first one option, and then, if needed, the 'mate-power-manager', just one moment, please
10:39<awal>R4F_Debian, if you still don't see something related with brightness in your mate system settings, section power/battery, right mouse clic in your mate panel and clic in 'add to panel' then check for a brightness plugin and add it if it's available.
10:40<R4F_Debian>ok awal, let me check it now
10:41<R4F_Debian>I've found it here, awal, it's called 'Brightness Applet', I added it to panel
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10:43<R4F_Debian>now, let me wait for a while.... adjustment done can't change alone
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10:49<R4F_Debian>awal, the problem persists here, for brightness changes intensity level alone
10:50<R4F_Debian>don't know if it is something related to OS or mate adjustment, perhpas it's any hardware issue
10:50<awal>R4F_Debian, check your mate power/battery settings
10:51<R4F_Debian>strange, If I move mouse cursor, brightness comes to previous adjustment...
10:51<awal>also screensaver settings
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10:52<awal>I have no more ideas. similar "issues" are easily solvable if you check your desktop settings closely , they are a basic stuff
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10:57<shawn>Mate is no good
10:57<R4F_Debian>me too, awal, I checked power/battery settings as you suggested, it was set display brightness to: 100 %; I put 50%
10:58<R4F_Debian>DIM display to idle was not marked
10:59<R4F_Debian>I will check it more deeply, hope it won't be any hardware issue or damaged battery, thanks for help and attention, awal !
10:59<R4F_Debian>Hi shawn ! How are you ?
10:59<R4F_Debian>I think it more practical than gnome3, that's why I opted for it, shawn
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11:00<R4F_Debian>any suggestion, shawn ? What de do you use ? Do you use any ?
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11:00<R4F_Debian>suggestions are welcome, quite newbie on GNU/Linux yet
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11:07<jjjasper>why not gnome 3 with some tweaks?
11:08<jjjasper>instead of using ancient retrofitting
11:08<shawn>I use gnome 3
11:08<shawn>Because no tweaking required, but it is customizable
11:09<R4F_Debian>hi jjjasper in fact, mate is really retrofitting, for it is based on old release of gnome (or cinnamon?)....
11:09<R4F_Debian>forgot now
11:09<shawn>Mate is a fork of gnome 2
11:09<jjjasper>old gnome
11:09<jjjasper>cinnamon is a fork
11:09<jjjasper>or new
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11:09<shawn>Cinnamon is a fork of gnome 3
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11:09<jjjasper>either way, mate keeps old crap alive and relabels old crap
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11:10<R4F_Debian>I have two Debian Jessie with gnome3, shawn
11:10<R4F_Debian>old crap ?
11:10<R4F_Debian>ah, I see, crap is not good ! ahahaha
11:11<shawn>Where are you from?
11:11<R4F_Debian>sorry jjjaspera and shawn, I forgot the word in english: crap ! aahahahh
11:11<R4F_Debian>if I answer it, you won't talk to me anymore, shawn, lol
11:12<shawn>No problem, everyone is from different places
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11:13<R4F_Debian>My mother family came from North Italy, Venezia and Baixo Venetto, near Austria, my father came from North East Spain, Saragoza, but, unfortunately I was born in Brazil
11:13<R4F_Debian>and, on the top of everything here (everything always goes wrongly here), there is zika virus scare
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11:19<R4F_Debian>shawn, apparently it is any hardware issue, battery is not so good here
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11:20<R4F_Debian>with adapter, brightness level doesn't change, unless you do it manually
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11:21<shawn>I use gnome 3 on my laptops or tablets because auto brightness is spot-on, auto switching between Ethernet/wifi/Bluetooth is spot-on
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11:22<R4F_Debian>I will follow your suggestion and jjjasper and install gnome3 here, shawn
11:23<shawn>If you have a system that will run poorly graphically with gnome 3, I suggest xfce
11:23<jjjasper>or gnome 3 in ancient mode
11:23<jjjasper>which is essentially retro gnome but with recent underlying stuff
11:23<R4F_Debian>it is 2 gb video here, shawn, I think it is enough for gnome3
11:24<shawn>Yeah it will be
11:24<shawn>What video do you have exactly?
11:24<R4F_Debian>exactly, humm, I forgot command to check it through command line, shawn
11:25<R4F_Debian>let me see if I find it here, I will pass to yours in a few moment
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11:29<shawn>Yesterday I installed Jessie on a new laptop and the only thing I had to do was install firmware-realtek and intel-microcode from non-free, and xserver-xorg-video-intel from jessie-backports
11:29<shawn>Debian is too easy
11:29<snett>and then battle with systemd for 6 hours afterwards
11:30<snett>But yes, Linux, as a whole, is easy nowadays
11:30<snett>It's actually much more painful install Windows
11:30<snett>(for many reasons!)
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11:31<babilen>snett: Why would you battle with systemd for six hours?
11:31<sney>even odds on a lennart conspiracy being contained in the reply
11:31<R4F_Debian>shawn, your laptop uses ssd ?
11:31<shawn>Actually that is true. Pro tip: if you need to dual boot and you want separate ESP on each HDD, and you need to install windows after you installed Linux, remove boot flag on Linux ESP until windows is installed. That will make Windows think it's just a regular fat32 :P
11:31<snett>babilen: Not out of choice, just usually seems that way
11:32<babilen>snett: I haven't had to spend a single minute doing that on many installations. In fact it was much easier setting a different umask on a server the other day ..
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11:33<babilen>It sounded as if you decided to "Ah, and now for some systemd battling. Let's delete 10 random files and see how well it behaves"
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11:36<R4F_Debian>shawn, see this line, please: 08:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF117M [GeForce 610M/710M/820M / GT 620M/625M/630M/720
11:36<shawn>Lol babilen that's accurate. That's what my boss does, and then he has us fix it after he can't anymore
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11:37<R4F_Debian>shawn: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller
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11:37<snett>babilen: Recent experience was trying to figure out a filesystem (mounted RO) problem which I thought was now systemd, but isn't really systemd, or - was actually systemd reading the traditional fstab
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11:38<snett>also, some amateur radio software that installed but lacked systemd magic, I think I ended up writing my own
11:39<babilen>init scripts should work, shouldn't they?
11:39<snett>I'm guessing most application sin the standard repos are now systemd ready
11:39<snett>From memory, they either didn't work or were also missing
11:39<babilen>Well .. can't blame systemd for that, can you?
11:40<snett>No, but it took me longer to put things right. I'm not anti systemd, it's just a case of relearning things.
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11:42<R4F_Debian>shawn, see this, please, I think it's information you asked me about video: Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
11:42<R4F_Debian>I checked it through 'lspci -v -s 00:02.0'
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11:43<R4F_Debian>strange, only 256 M video memory ?
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11:47<R4F_Debian>well, thanks for Great Attention and Support, shawn and jjjasper ! See you soon !
11:47<shawn>That's your onboard haswell video memory
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11:48<R4F_Debian>oh, have you seen it ? so, it is not related to your answer...
11:49<shawn>R4F_Debian: you have dual video, so to keep control of your battery life you need to learn about GPU switching
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11:50<R4F_Debian>Great, shawn, thanks, I will read this article, let me save it here in iceweasel...
11:50<shawn>That way you are running onboard Intel for desktop tasks, and the nvidia card for times when you really need it, like CAD or games
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11:51<R4F_Debian>I see, currently I'm using limited video resources....
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11:52<sney>augh, optimus
11:52<R4F_Debian>the article you have passed me here, by Chris Hoffman, will help me to administer these resources better, thanks, shawn, Great Debian Warrior !
11:52<R4F_Debian>Hi sney ! Glad to see you again !
11:53<R4F_Debian>Always Glad when at Debian Servers Channel, as I always say: Debian Warriors are the Best ! Always show me this !
11:53<R4F_Debian>Thanks a lot ! Need to go now
11:53<R4F_Debian>Bye !
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11:54<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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12:25<dpkg>rumour has it, a is UK's best rock band :)
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12:25<dpkg>[aa] alcoholics anonymous, or anti-aircraft, or America's Army, or anti-aliasing fonts. apt-get install anti-aliasing-howto
12:25<dpkg>i heard aaa is authentication, authorization and accounting
12:26<sney>Guest7247: if you have a debian question, you can ask it here, otherwise please play elsewhere
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12:26<Guest7247>sney who are you?
12:27<sney>I'm sney.
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12:27<Guest7247>you are co)
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12:29<sney>again, do you have a debian question? or are you just learning how to use irc?
12:29<sney>if it's option #2 please go to some other channel
12:30<Guest7247>what is debian?
12:30<sney>it is a free operating system for computers.
12:32<Guest7247>thanks for involving in that, i'll try to be quiter, could not i?
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12:41<alumno>hay alguien
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12:44<Guest7247>sney dpkg is your slave and it tied?)
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12:45<FatPhil>Greets all. Where can I find an 8.2.0 amd64 netinst?
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12:45<FatPhil>I'm trying to 100% reproduce my installation steps on a system I just bricked (due to UEFI being hell)
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12:46<sney>FatPhil: bittorrent.
12:47<FatPhil>will try both - thanks!
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12:48<alumno>alguien quiere hablar com migo
12:49<FatPhil>Tracker: [Failure reason "torrent not found"]
12:49<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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12:49<sney>FatPhil: try the cdimage one then.
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12:52<FatPhil>sney: yup, that's good. that page needs to be a bit more search-engine friendly
12:52<sney>I just googled the filename and got it in the first result. but finding previous versions of installers is an unusual request, so
12:53<sney>first page, anyway
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12:57<Guest7247>anyway first torrent link is working dispite error:)
12:57<FatPhil>it seems to be google friendly, but duckduckgo is a bit retarded
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13:12<awal>How to make 'cat' display correctly special characters such as é, ó, ù and so?
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13:13<FatPhil>awal: piping output through less will cause some characters to be shown in escaped form
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13:13<FatPhil>unsetting LANG might persuade it to escape more
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13:13<Guest7247>awal imho 'input methods')
13:14<FatPhil>Hmmm, how can I simulate od or hd just using commands in the installer's busybox?
13:15<awal>FatPhil, outputting through 'less' is worse :D
13:15<awal>Guest7247, you mean?
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13:17<FatPhil>awal: ah, whether it's better or worse depends on what was "incorrect" currently
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13:18<FatPhil>your line displayed unknown-character glyphs to me - to see them expanded as numerical escapes would have been an improvement!
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13:18<awal>cat filename without less I get "Num�ros", through less I get "Num<E9>ros "
13:18<awal>fthats for "numéros"
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13:19<FatPhil>what's your $LANG?
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13:22<awal>It's not really a big issue for me, just "visually annoying"
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13:23<awal>but solving that will be better :)
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13:24<FatPhil>your file is iso-8859-1 encoded, not utf8 encoded
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13:24<teatime>you can use iconv to convert it
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13:24<FatPhil>you can use recode to convert i
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13:25<teatime>is one better than the other?
13:25<mario_>Can anyone help me on setting up audio on a Win7 VirtualBox guest in Debian 8 Host?
13:25<FatPhil>does this improve things? LANG=es_ES cat filename
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13:25<FatPhil>recode does many jobs - e.g. DOS/Mac/Unix line-endings
13:26<teatime>apparently they're the same tool now
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13:26<awal>LANG=es_ES cat ... have 0 effect
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13:27<mario_>Can anyone help me on fix audio on a Win7 VirtualBox guest in Debian 8 Host? Only mic works
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13:29<towo`>this is a debian channel
13:29<towo`>not a windows one
13:29<mario_>Yeah but is a windows guest on a debian host
13:29<towo`>the sound work on debian?
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13:29<towo`>then wrong channel
13:29<mario_>and no error is shown in windows
13:30<mario_>Only in virtualbox
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13:30<towo`>we do not support windows problems here
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13:30<teatime>towo`: could easily have nothing to do with windows.
13:30<teatime>no need to be rude.
13:30<teatime>mario_: what error?
13:30<mario_>It's not a windows problem is a virtualbox problem
13:30<towo`>teatime, if any, it is a vbox problem
13:31<towo`>teatime, and vbox has an own support channel
13:31<teatime>towo`: so is this channel for apt/dpk support *only*?
13:31<towo`>no, its a debian support channel
13:32<teatime>but where do you want to draw the line
13:32<mario_>Fine I will just go to VBox channel...
13:32<teatime>mario_: or post your error, at least.
13:32<awal>FatPhil, ok. As you said it was iso-8859-1 ; encoding the file as utf8 problem solved. thanks :)
13:32<awal>thanks for your time, guys (Y)
13:33<mario_>I can't find the error I remember seeing it but now when ever I try to setup audio and test it in Windows it shows that the sound is outputting in windows but nothing actually comes out.
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13:33<teatime>that isn't really enough to go on to help.
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13:34<mario_>I know, but thanks anyways I will go ask on the VBox channel they might know more about it.
13:35<blast007>mario_: note that the #vbox channel is on the Freenode network, so you'll have to switch networks too
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13:36<mario_>Yeah I will. Thank you.
13:36<FatPhil>OK, I fricked up my UEFI somehow, and can't boot my debian 8.2 system. I'm trying recovery mode, to reinstall grub.
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13:37<FatPhil>I can't work out where I previously installed grub, where's that stored?
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13:38<FatPhil>I just tried to reinstall grub in the place I thought most likely, but grub-resintall failed
13:38<somiaj>FatPhil: It might not be stored, as you don't really reinstall grub (just reconfigure it)
13:38<somiaj>FatPhil: what failed? It should usually be put in the MBR of your disk (unless using efi, then the efi partition)
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13:45<benjamin_>Hi, I'm supposing to write a program for linux though debian specifically might be the practical option. Is ANSI always solid in a linux kernel, and what variations are there?
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13:45<ring>What do you mean with ANSI? ANSI C?
13:46<ring>Support for ANSI C is not really decided by the kernel, but by the compiler
13:46<ring>GCC should support all ANSI C, but it allows non-ANSI C
13:47<ring>You need to give it some flags to force ANSI C
13:47<ring>-pedantic too, I think
13:47<muep>I'd expect C11 to be pretty equally solid
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13:48<muep>but of course using a recent language version somewhat limits use on old compilers
13:48<ring>This sounds like an assignment or something, with ANSI C as a requirement
13:48<oem>most likely is
13:49<benjamin_>just had an idea, and my mind goes back to my student days
13:49<awal>How to find which package provides X utility?
13:49<oem>awal: dpkg -S
13:49<muep>well, ANSI C quite likely is well supported in a large number of compilers, including the ones Debian ships
13:49<teatime>or if it's not installed, apt-file
13:49<ring>apt-file search <filename>
13:50<ring>If you just want ANSI C to work, you don't need to use any special flags for gcc
13:50<benjamin_>then I might be better writing for a compiler
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13:50<ring>The flags are for if you want non-ANSI C to be rejected
13:50<ring>Or give warnings
13:50<muep>IIRC recent versions of gcc have started defaulting to newer C standards
13:51<muep>so it may be a good habit to pass the target standard anyway
13:51<oem>teatime: hey. what would I need to modify after getting an apt-get source of a pkg and later building a .deb in order to prevent the daemon of the pkg to be autostarted?
13:52<muep>do systemd presets work in debian?
13:52<teatime>oem: you want to change something in the package, or on the host system?
13:52<ring>Getting autostarted when you install it, or getting autostarted in general?
13:53<oem>teatime: the pkg. it's nginx. the host is running nginx compiled from source (on production) - i want to upgrade to the v. from the repo, but I don't want it to be started immediately (it will try to bind to the same socket that the other 1 is bound to already), altho there should not be any problems
13:53<oem>ring: after installation
13:53<FatPhil>somiaj: "Unable to install GRUB in /dev/[various]" "Executing grub-install /dev/[various] failed" "This is a fatal error"
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13:53<teatime>I think it's in the post-install script, not sure.
13:53<FatPhil>console 4 says "grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory"
13:54<awal>I have 'iconv' installed and just used it for change my file encoding but I dont know how it was installed/which package provides it
13:54<teatime>oem: you can do it one-off like this w/o modifying the package, tho:
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13:54<somiaj>FatPhil: are you booted up in recovery? Seems it is looking for an efi partition but not fiding it. You need to ensure that you are using the same boot (legacy or efi) that you want to recover
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13:54<awal>oem, dpkg -S (-S, --search filename-search-pattern... Search for a filename from installed packages.) is helpful but not really
13:55<teatime>awal: as oem said, dpkg -S `which iconv`
13:55<oem>teatime: thanks, i'll check it out
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13:55<ring>teatime: Does that work for systemd?
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13:56<teatime>ring: afaik
13:56<teatime>ring: it only prevents the autostart at install time, has nothing to do with boot-time
13:56<awal>teatime, good. I missed `which pkgname` argument. thanks
13:57<ring>systemd is not just for boot time
13:58<teatime>it also has nothing to do with the specific init system
13:58<teatime>if the pkg starts daemons on-install in the debian-policy-compliant way, it should prevent it from happening
13:58<ring>Ah, alright
13:58<FatPhil>somiaj: I chose the "force GRUB install on some other blah blah blah" option, in the recovery mode, and it seems to have worked.
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14:27<ckubrak>Hi guys, I just installed Debian 8 but my screen has gone black after grub
14:27<ckubrak>Does anyone have any idea how to fix it?
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14:28<nohitall>how safe is a dist upgrade from 7 to 8? i never did it before and heard stories...
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14:28<teatime>always read the release notes first.
14:29<nohitall>will do
14:29<nohitall>saw the topic
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14:34<ckubrak>I couldn't find anything about my problem in the release notes
14:35<blast007>ckubrak: what graphics card/chip do you have and what desktop environment?
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14:36<ckubrak>How can I check? I can still use the command line
14:36<ckubrak>I mean, ALT-F2 is still working
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14:38<blast007>'lspci -nn | grep VGA'
14:39<blast007>and if you didn't specifically change what desktop installed, it would be Gnome 3
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14:40<jmcnaught>ckubrak: did you install anything else, or did this happen on the first boot after running the debian installer?
14:41<blast007>ckubrak: "Some [AMD] GPUs may require firmware to operate the X Window System.", so if you have some AMD graphics, that could be the issue.
14:41<ckubrak>"01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: VIA Technologies, Inc, CN896/VN896/P4M 900 [Chrome 9 HC ] [1106:3371] (rev 01)
14:41<ckubrak>I didn't install anything
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14:42<ckubrak>First boot
14:42<blast007>the VIA stuff was generally pretty bad even on Windows, in my experience :)
14:42<jmcnaught>,pciid 1106:3371
14:42<judd>[1106:3371] is 'CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC]' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also
14:43<ckubrak>After GRUB, I get like 2 seconds of terminal login and it goes black
14:44<jmcnaught>ckubrak: if you can put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on someone might be able to help you figure it out. I'm surprised that the fallback VESA driver doesn't work
14:44<blast007>might have to use a different desktop environment that doesn't need working 3D graphics
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14:45<blast007>jmcnaught: doesn't sound like Gnome 3 on Jessie has a fallback anymore. "The GNOME 3.14 desktop in Jessie no longer has fallback support for machines without basic 3D graphics."
14:46<jmcnaught>blast007: hmmm.. i thought that was because it uses an llvm-pipe as a fallback if there is no 3d acceleration
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14:47<blast007>dunno. I barely use GUIs on my Linux. :)
14:47<ckubrak>I'll try gettin my /var/log/Xorg.0.log but I'll probably take long since I can't copy-paste
14:47<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b" or configure pastebinit to use something other than To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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14:54<ckubrak>By "non 3D" do you mean using cinnamon, mate, etc?
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14:57<catern>why can't unprivileged users run commands as "nobody" by default?
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14:58<catern>why is "nobody" not set up with an empty password so that anyone can su to it and run commands?
14:58<usernamenotavailablewtf>PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20100525/' - /usr/lib/php5/20100525/ cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0
14:58<usernamenotavailablewtf>Anyone knows what this might be caused by?
14:59<usernamenotavailablewtf>Also, do you think it's the reason I can't use the "send mail" php cmd?
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15:00<jmcnaught>ckubrak: i took a look but i'm not fluent enough in Xorg to really help. It looks to me like it's trying to use some "vgahw" driver instead of vesa or the framebuffer one. Keep that link handy so you can share it again in a while.
15:00<blast007>usernamenotavailablewtf: which version of Debian are you running?
15:01<jmcnaught>ckubrak: you might just need to make an xorg.conf. or if this computer can take a replacement video card, do that. or if it's a laptop that can still be returned, consider exchanging it for one with a better supported GPU
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15:01<jmcnaught>catern: probably to keep things accountable. i don't want users being able to run things as nobody
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15:02<catern>jmcnaught: stick with VMS then or something :)
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15:03<catern>that's the sysadmin's perspective but not a great operating system design perhaps :)
15:03<blast007>usernamenotavailablewtf: looks like you're running Sid? if so, testing/unstable support is in #debian-next
15:03<blast007>catern: what is your use case?
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15:04<catern>just thinking about running things sandboxed
15:04<usernamenotavailablewtf>blast007: Someone is taking care of the VPS, unfortunately, he isn't present.
15:04<catern>but asking about it elsewhere, I realized nobody isn't good for that since it means, obviously, everything in the "sandbox" can mess with everything else in the sandbox!
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15:05<usernamenotavailablewtf>Is there any easy way for me to check if it's, indeed, Sid? ( blast007 )
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15:06<blast007>usernamenotavailablewtf: 'lsb_release -a' and/or 'cat /etc/*release*' would probably give you an idea, but the referenced file is only part of the sid version.
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15:07<jelly>!debian suite
15:07<dpkg>cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
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15:12<usernamenotavailablewtf>blast007: Basically, here's the code that isn't working, really unsure why it's not working. (
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15:13<blast007>you'd want to verify that the server is set up to actually send email
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15:14<blast007>(and set up properly.. might be sending as www-data@localhost or something silly like that)
15:14<jjjasper>Indeed, use proper envelope sender
15:14<jjjasper>Happens way too often not doing that gives problems
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15:16<usernamenotavailablewtf>How exactly should I do that? :/
15:17<blast007>ask the server admin
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15:17<usernamenotavailablewtf>he's not here, I have to try to fix this issue.
15:17<usernamenotavailablewtf>Any lead?
15:17<sney>I remember you, I told you to install postfix I think
15:17<usernamenotavailablewtf>I did
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15:18<usernamenotavailablewtf>Well you said exim4 or postfix
15:18<usernamenotavailablewtf>I tried exim4
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15:18<usernamenotavailablewtf>I'll try postfix right now.
15:18<jmcnaught>usernamenotavailablewtf: you never told us the result of "lsb_release -sc", have we determined which release it is?
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15:18<jmcnaught>usernamenotavailablewtf: also maybe not a great idea to swap out the MTA if you don't understand it
15:19<sney>you can check if the server is sending mail by running this at a shell prompt: echo "mail test message" | mailx -s "subject"
15:19<sney>with obvious substitutions
15:19<sney>between exim4 and postfix it won't make a difference
15:19<jmcnaught>assuming it isn't the MX
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15:21<usernamenotavailablewtf>Debian 8
15:21<usernamenotavailablewtf>also, I tried the command (mailx)\
15:21<usernamenotavailablewtf>executed without errors
15:21<usernamenotavailablewtf>I didn't receive anything though.
15:21<usernamenotavailablewtf>Could it be permissions on my script?
15:22<usernamenotavailablewtf>Cause there's a log feature too that isn't working
15:23<awal>mplayer cli mode for online radios works just well but I always get a message "Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: radio-ip" Means?
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15:25<awal>Is this something one can consider a correct answer ?
15:25<sney>usernamenotavailablewtf: it'll log the outgoing mail in /var/log/mail.log usually, and test mails from random servers usually go to spam
15:25<teatime>I guess it means it tried to find an AAAA DNS record (IPv6 hostname) for 'radio-ip' and it failed. but I dunno.
15:26<teatime>maybe that's a placeholder in your config you're supposed to fill in w/ an addr
15:26<usernamenotavailablewtf>mail.log is empty.
15:27<jmcnaught>usernamenotavailablewtf: the file mentioned in your first message, /usr/lib/php5/20100525/, i'm pretty sure that file doesn't exist in Debian. Did your regular sysadmin install PHP from source or something?
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15:27<usernamenotavailablewtf>No idea. I know I tried installing package "php-mail"
15:27<usernamenotavailablewtf>in hopes that it would magically fix everything
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15:28<teatime>awal: sounds good to me.
15:28<sney>suhosin is seriously obsolete, did you follow some howto
15:28<usernamenotavailablewtf>I'm not the one who set it up...
15:28<usernamenotavailablewtf>But the guy who did has a good reputation.
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15:30<jmcnaught>usernamenotavailablewtf: suhosin is not in jessie, or wheezy. also the date in that path: 20100525, that's a long time ago now
15:30<usernamenotavailablewtf>So that's not the issue.
15:30<ckubrak>I'm sorry I was afk. How can I make a xorg.conf?
15:30<usernamenotavailablewtf>Then any idea why I don't receive mails, even if it's sent with mailx cmd
15:30<awal>teatime, seems correct, yeah ( -prefer-ipv4 (network only) Use IPv4 on network connections. Falls back on IPv6 automatically.) «--- from man mplayer
15:32<towo`>ckubrak, for what you want a xorg.conf?
15:32<jmcnaught>usernamenotavailablewtf: it's probably two separate problems, 1. outdated PHP calling on a module that doesn't exist anymore, 2. mail not being sent, no logs about it. Is this server an MX, or is its MTA just a null client that sends through another server?
15:32<sney>usernamenotavailablewtf: nah, don't give root to random people from the internet.
15:33<usernamenotavailablewtf>You don't seem random.
15:33<ckubrak>jmcnaught recommend it since my debian is going black after grub
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15:33<usernamenotavailablewtf>jmcnaught: let me check how to answer your question
15:33<sney>towo`: he's on a via chrome gpu, they sometimes need extra coaxing
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15:33<ckubrak>this is my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
15:33<towo`>ckubrak, i would remove xserver-xorg-video-openchrome and let xorg try modesetting
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15:34<usernamenotavailablewtf>jmcnaught: I have exim4... so... MTA?
15:35<usernamenotavailablewtf>Haha! Fucking found it.
15:35<usernamenotavailablewtf>Woops, sorry.
15:35<jmcnaught>usernamenotavailablewtf: what is it?
15:35<ckubrak>So you recommend doing "aptitude remove" and rebooting to see if it works?
15:35<usernamenotavailablewtf>Let me just mask some stuff in the pastie
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15:36<towo`>ckubrak, exactly, but i would use apt purge
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15:36<ckubrak>Ok, I'm on it
15:37<usernamenotavailablewtf>>Mailing to remote domains not supported
15:38<usernamenotavailablewtf>Issue is sigaint?
15:38<sney>if you dpkg-reconfigure exim4 (or postfix, whichever one you have) you can set it to relay mail to a "smarthost" which in this case should just be a real mail server that you know exists, such as the one for your domain. hosts occasionally provide them as well
15:39<ckubrak>I just rebooted, and went black again
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15:39<ckubrak>Wow, it worked
15:40<usernamenotavailablewtf>sney: Mind elaborating? ~dpkg-reconfigure exim4?
15:40<jjjasper>Exactly as he mentions
15:40<usernamenotavailablewtf>and how/where do I "set it to a smarthost'sigaint'"?
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15:41<catern>is there any kind of thing like "process metadata", stuff inherited by children but not mutable without root? like environment variables, but not mutable without root; or supplemental groups, but with arbitrary data
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15:42<sney>usernamenotavailablewtf: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 is a command
15:43<sney>it will give you some prompts like "what kind of email server is this?"
15:43<usernamenotavailablewtf>smarthost -> local or SFTP?
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15:44<usernamenotavailablewtf>I don't need to receive anything, so "Smarthost; No local mail"?
15:44<sney>you're getting it
15:46<usernamenotavailablewtf>It's fucking written in cleartext. lol
15:46<blast007>sney: the sid php5-suhosin has that exact file
15:46<usernamenotavailablewtf>In SSH I have "Ok" & "Cancel" but I can't seem to click it.
15:46<usernamenotavailablewtf>I need to get back one step, is this possible?
15:46<sney>tab and spacebar
15:47<usernamenotavailablewtf>Amazing thanks
15:47<sney>blast007: last upload was in 2012 :P
15:47<jjjasper>always, tab and spacewar gets you far in ncurses
15:47<usernamenotavailablewtf>It's asking for a system mail name ""
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15:48<usernamenotavailablewtf>Should I keep it the same as the email provider I'll use to receive?
15:48<usernamenotavailablewtf>E.g. Sigaint?
15:48<usernamenotavailablewtf>"" to be exact.
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15:49<sney>the system mail name is your hostname, iirc
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15:50<sney>yep confirmed
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15:54<vortek>whne playing dvd's my video flickers, what can i do to fix this?
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15:59<usernamenotavailablewtf>So yeah, "mail server name" should be "", correct?
15:59<sney>the system mail name is your hostname
16:00<sney>the only thing you should be setting is the address of the downstream mail server, or smarthost
16:00<usernamenotavailablewtf>IP address listenning to incoming connections (I assume this also isn't requiered)
16:00<usernamenotavailablewtf>Leave everything default?
16:01<usernamenotavailablewtf>Other than "address of downstream MS?
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16:02<sney>listening to incoming connections should only be 127.0.
16:03<usernamenotavailablewtf> The option to hide the local mail name in outgoing mail was enabled. It x x is therefore necessary to specify the domain name this system should use x x for the domain part of local users' sender addresses.
16:03<usernamenotavailablewtf>Unsure about this one.
16:04<sney>this is where you can put your if you want, though you'll need to make sure whoever runs the downstream server knows to accept mail from your webserver's ip address
16:05<usernamenotavailablewtf>same thing?
16:05<sney>it's like I didn't say anything
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16:10<usernamenotavailablewtf>It's indeed hard to understand.
16:11<usernamenotavailablewtf>By downstream server you mean my email? (The one that will receive mails)
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16:13<sney>yes, downstream server is an actual server that handles mail for the domain
16:13<sney>if you don't know what that server is, talk with the admin, or check the MX record
16:13<sney>(there are tools on the internet for looking up MX records)
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16:26<raymond>hello world
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16:36<usernamenotavailablewtf>? :/
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16:56<sney>usernamenotavailablewtf: I answered the last question you asked and then you stopped responding, usually that means something worked
16:57<usernamenotavailablewtf>Maybe it was during my pingout
16:57<sney>[14:13:02] <sney> yes, downstream server is an actual server that handles mail for the domain
16:57<sney>[14:13:14] <sney> if you don't know what that server is, talk with the admin, or check the MX record
16:57<sney>[14:13:32] <sney> (there are tools on the internet for looking up MX records)
16:57<usernamenotavailablewtf> usernamenotavailablewtf The 'mail name' is the domain name used to 'qualify' mail addresses
16:57<usernamenotavailablewtf> usernamenotavailablewtf (Is this, or
16:57<usernamenotavailablewtf> usernamenotavailablewtf Sorry, repeating myself, but SSH go aborted during configuration.
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16:58<usernamenotavailablewtf>so I got this one
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17:00<sney>the 'mail name' in that case is whatever domain the mail should be "from". so that depends on where the emails are going, if they're being used for notifications to another system that you own then you can just use the hostname, but if they're going to e.g. customers it should be your domain
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17:03<sney>usernamenotavailablewtf: does that make sense to you?
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17:04<usernamenotavailablewtf>System mail name:
17:04<usernamenotavailablewtf>Other destination for which mail is accepted: *empty*
17:04<usernamenotavailablewtf>Visible domain name for local users:
17:04<usernamenotavailablewtf>IP or Hostname of the outgoing smarthost:
17:05<usernamenotavailablewtf>I does.
17:05<usernamenotavailablewtf>It won't be to custs though, will be to only 1 email. Mine, as notifications.
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17:05<usernamenotavailablewtf>Does my config make sense?
17:07<sney>outoing smarthost should be that
17:07<sney>otherwise yes
17:07<usernamenotavailablewtf>You're a lifesaver, lemme test it out.
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17:08<sney>still can't guarantee it'll work from php, but mailx should be fine at this point.
17:09<sney>and don't use php mail(). see
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17:13<usernamenotavailablewtf>Still not working though... (mailx)
17:13<usernamenotavailablewtf>Want me to check exim4 log?
17:14<usernamenotavailablewtf>>host []: 451 Temporary failure, please try again later.
17:15<usernamenotavailablewtf>Wow logs are amazing.
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17:15<sney>talk to whoever administers that mail server, they might have some security restrictions keeping you from sending mail through it
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17:17<usernamenotavailablewtf>otherwise gmail should be ok, right?
17:17<sney>ok for what
17:19<usernamenotavailablewtf>Let me re-phrase. Think it would work better with a gmail account using
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17:25<usernamenotavailablewtf>for the same use as before
17:26<usernamenotavailablewtf>sending notification
17:26<usernamenotavailablewtf>to an email
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17:27<sney>I don't think gmail will function as a smarthost for your random vps, no
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17:32<usernamenotavailablewtf>tutanota worked
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17:32<usernamenotavailablewtf>Odd thing though, I received it from ""
17:33<sney>guess they're rewriting addresses
17:33<sney>there's not much (any) security baked into smtp. any server can mangle mails passing through it in any way it wants
17:34<amicodekori>I recently installed debian on a laptop, but soon after installing I find out that the necessary pkg doesn't come bundled with my wireless driver. I found the instructions linked here: But my stupid question is where do I type those commands? In a command line, do I go to that specific repo and open the file and edit? I'm a Deb noob (disclaimer).
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17:34<usernamenotavailablewtf>Let me try the php one now... see if everything works out.
17:34<amicodekori>Any help would be appreciated
17:35<sney>amicodekori: where it says "add x to your sources.list" that means to open the text file /etc/apt/sources.list as root and edit it as shown
17:35<sney>then anything beginning with 'apt-get' or 'modprobe' is a command
17:35<teatime>and the #'s are hints you need to run them as root
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17:37<usernamenotavailablewtf>sney: After configuring and installing exim4, the mail() should work?
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17:37<usernamenotavailablewtf>Also, besides right permissions on files, does this code require me to install something for it to work?
17:38<sney>usernamenotavailablewtf: don't use mail(). I've seen it not work properly even when it should. just.... follow the instructions I linked above for using phpmailer, and then you will be doing it the right way
17:38<sney>and you don't need to install anything to use functions like fopen.
17:39<usernamenotavailablewtf>basic linux cmds? ok
17:39<usernamenotavailablewtf>a lot
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17:48<amicodekori>When I try to do anything as root, it returns, 'bash: sudo: command not found'
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17:48<sney>that's because sudo is not installed. if you set a root password during the install, this is normal
17:49<sney>use 'su' to become root. after that you can install sudo if you want with 'apt-get install sudo' and let your user have sudo access with 'usermod -aG sudo yourusername'
17:49<sney>this was explained in the installer, so it's good to read prompts and try to understand them rather than just filling in boxes :P
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17:50<NapoleonWils0n>hi everyone
17:50<NapoleonWils0n>just installed debian and grub on an external drive
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17:50<NapoleonWils0n>trying to get copy and paste to work in urxvt unicode 256 colors
17:51<sney>wow, urxvt. iirc, copy happens automatically when you select text, and paste is right click
17:51<NapoleonWils0n>single click mouse
17:52<NapoleonWils0n>cant seem to get shift ctrl c and v to work
17:52<sney>this seems to be the whole manual:
17:53<NapoleonWils0n>i have the same config file working on arch but not on debian
17:53<CutMeOwnThroat>probably different versions
17:54<NapoleonWils0n>also not getting any audio on urbanterror
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17:54<NapoleonWils0n>wnodering if i need to install pulseaudio and some other packages
17:55<sney>pulse can help but if you have a super minimal install it's more likely that your channels are muted
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17:55<sney>install alsa-utils, run alsamixer, and look for MM at the bottoms of the sliders
17:55<NapoleonWils0n>got alsa working with video players
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17:56<NapoleonWils0n>so not mutted
17:56<NapoleonWils0n>is there anywhere that lists the default packages installed with the debian desktop
17:57<NapoleonWils0n>done a minimal install, could cross ref to see what im missing
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17:58<sney>depends on which desktop you mean, there are tasks for a few different DEs. but, 'apt show task-gnome-desktop' will give you the top level packages, and their dependencies
17:59<NapoleonWils0n>cheers sney ill cross ref the audio section and see what im missing
17:59<NapoleonWils0n>not a fan of gnome desktop so i installed i3-wm
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18:22<usernamenotavailablewtf>Its working. Thanks again sney.
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18:22<usernamenotavailablewtf>Really really appreciated.
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18:58<kinlo>if one would want to configure some flag in /sys/ everytime one reboots, where would one put it? is there an equivalent that does the same to /sys like sysctl does to /proc/sys ?
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19:02<sleblanc>kinlo, since the /sys subsystem depends a lot on runtime hardware configuration (things plugged in or unplugged) you should look into udev configuration
19:02<sleblanc>kinlo, udev allows plenty of actions based on qualifiers such as vendor/product ID, subsystem (e.g. USB or PCI), etc.
19:03<kinlo>right, thanks, I'll look into that
19:04<sleblanc>For instance, here, we had two RS-232 interfaces that needed to be differentiated at user-space. With udev I wrote rules that created device nodes with specific names (e.g. /dev/machine1, /dev/machine2) based on which of the two USB ports the adapter was plugged in
19:05<kinlo>I currently need to change the timeout settings of my scsi devices, but I'll look into udev
19:05<sleblanc>are you using sdparm to do that? (can it do it?)
19:06<kinlo>haven't actually, as I can do it with a single echo atm
19:06<kinlo>let me look at that
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19:09<kinlo>sdparm doesnt seem to have those settings
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19:22<pc>@search pastwatch
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19:24<sleblanc>kinlo, you can probably add a config file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ (example name: 10-scsi-timeout.rules) and if you wanted all SCSI drives to have a 40s timeout you would put 'SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", DRIVERS="sd", ATTR{timeout}=40' and it should work.
19:25<kinlo>sleblanc: thanks, that helps
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20:54<dpkg>somebody said sonic was a type of mousepad which has plans to take over the world
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20:55<petn-randall>I guess someone should update that factoid. It's now a Debian derivative from Microsoft. :)
20:56<abrotman>don't oyu know how to use the bot?
20:56*abrotman wonders how dpkg is living here, but dead on FN
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20:58<jmcnaught>abrotman: dpkg is responding to queries on FN
21:04<petn-randall>abrotman: I know how to query it, but not how to change factoids. I always assumed you have to be privileged for that.
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21:09<abrotman>jmcnaught: ah, it rejoined
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21:10<blast007>petn-randall: except it's not
21:10<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sonic is a hedgehog, as far as I know.
21:11<abrotman>did you think it had changed?
21:12<abrotman>It's on top of Debian, not a distro itself
21:14<dpkg>A hedgehog, or a collection of networking software components required to have a fully functional L3 device that can be agnostic of any particular Linux distribution.
21:14<abrotman>everyone happy?
21:14<blast007>no, I want an ice cream too
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21:15<abrotman>!ice cream blast007
21:15<abrotman>oh well
21:15<shawn>I want a potato
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21:15<abrotman>that exists in the bot
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21:16<shawn>!potato abrotman
21:16<dpkg>Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>.
21:16<shawn>I expected it to give you a random variety of potato
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21:19<shawn>Presently I bet more people come in her asking about the root vegetable than the version of Debian.
21:20<jmcnaught>vegetables are offtopic in #debian
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21:58<Guest7291>what better debian or windows xp?
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21:59<Guest7291>i'm asking!
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22:02<Guest7291>!windows xp
22:02<dpkg>[windows xp] #del#
22:02<dpkg>it has been said that debian is See
22:02<Guest7291>no q
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22:54<Guest7298>so the weridest thing is going on, I do a clean install of debian, (jessie) and after I finish and reboot on login it restarts the X server everytime
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22:59<anes>Friends GM, please advise how to fix the configure error in package creation :
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23:10<cryptokey>Hello, would this be the right channel for asking for help with an issue while installing debian?
23:15<sleblanc>Hm, I am connecting to a remote system with "ssh -Y remote-system" and cannot get USB drives to show up in a file manager, e.g. thunar.
23:15<sleblanc>cryptokey, yes, indeed
23:16<anes>cryptokeu: I think so
23:17<cryptokey>anes: Thanks, I'll try there
23:18<cryptokey>anes: The channel says it's for help with packaging for the debian archive
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23:20<cryptokey>sleblanc: Perfect. I am currently trying to graphically install Debian amd64 from a USB. When I get to "Detect network hardware", is says there are missing firmware files for my nic. I put them on a usb and it loaded them, however it comes up with more (that I have on the usb) and is not recognizing them.
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23:25<sleblanc>cryptokey, you can get an archive that contains all Debian-provided firmware files there, assuming you are installing Jessie (8):
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23:25<cryptokey>sleblanc: I'll try that on a USB, thanks.
23:26<sleblanc>Unpack this archive straight into the USB drive, and the installer should stop complaining
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23:28<cryptokey>sleblanc: When I click the link, I get a blank screen. If I enter .../firmware/jessie/ it gives me options, but upon entering current, it is blank
23:29<cryptokey>sleblanc: Note that the other folders i.e. 20150425/ all have entries
23:31<cryptokey>sleblanc: Scratch that. Got it working from finding the link online
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23:54<cryptokey>sleblanc: Hey, so I extracted the firmware files on the usb, mounted it, and the installer still says I am missing the firmware file rtl_nic/rtl8168g-3.fw
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23:55<sleblanc>I can't see why; it's in firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb
23:57<jmcnaught>cryptokey: the unofficial firmware installer iso doesn't contain all the firmwares, some cannot be distributed. are you able to the continue the installation without it?
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23:58<cryptokey>jmcnaught: The problem is if I continue the installation without it and I try to connect to the internet, I cannot since my wifi is WPA2 Enterprise, PEAP, MSCHAPv2 and it doesn't give me the option to enter a username; only a password
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23:59<jmcnaught>cryptokey: using an ethernet cable is not an option?
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