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00:00<Ouroboros>i also want to know ^^
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00:00<R4F_Debian>I want to finish with the novel " zfs vs btrfs " for Linux as fast as possible
00:00<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: from what i have gathered, btrs is sufficiently stable for production use now, depending on your def of 'production'
00:01<R4F_Debian>how about btrfs on Debian Jessie: /home, /root partitioning ?
00:01<Ouroboros>i am not sure if it works for /boot, but should be fine for the rest
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00:03<R4F_Debian>Hi Ouroboros, so, help me with this, please, give me any suggestion. Better saying: if you were preparing a new Debian Jessie installation, and one entire 3,5 TB for that, what should you do (I will use Debian Jessie, exclusively)
00:03<R4F_Debian>one entire 3,5 TB hard drive, only for Debian
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00:05<Ouroboros>i dont know, i havent done it yet, but most likely i will make a dmcrypt partition over the whole drive, then lvm inside that splitting into one swap partition and one btrfs volume
00:05<Ouroboros>depending on what exactly the installer allows
00:06<wowaname->KNEW IT
00:06<wowaname->someone else comes along and asks a question then mine gets pushed up the backlog never to be seen again
00:06<R4F_Debian>This procedure seems to be very technical, do you have the source documentation for me trying this same procedure on my new Debian Jessie Installation with btrfs ?
00:07<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: not really, i would go through these first:
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00:08<R4F_Debian>Great, I saw this page and got confused, lots of options about the subject:
00:09<Ouroboros>dmcrypt is for encryption, its not related to btrfs per se
00:09<R4F_Debian>I will read these articles you have passed me. Thanks a lot, Ouroboros ! Glad to have your Support !
00:09<R4F_Debian>yes, I see, this about dmcrypt I understood
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00:09<Ouroboros>but the FAQ discusses that part as well
00:10<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: but just keep in mind, even if its stable, its still fairly experimental and you will have to learn new ways of doing things
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00:10<teatime>dm-crypt is experimental?
00:11<R4F_Debian>Yes, as I suspected before Ouroboros, I have to thank you a lot for that !
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00:11<Ouroboros>no btrfs
00:11<teatime>that's news to me.
00:11<teatime>oh, k.
00:11<jmcnaught>wowaname-: what was your question? maybe nobody has an answer for you yet. if it's been over an hour it's probably fine to ask again
00:11<R4F_Debian>teatime, btrfs is experimental yet
00:11<Ouroboros>well, maybe not experimental, but its not gonna be as straightforward as ext4 or whatever
00:11<teatime>I think I put it this way once: "There are people who claim btrfs is stable and suitable for production. The btrfs devs are not among this group of people."
00:11<jmcnaught>ritek: which installer iso did you use? how did you prepare it?
00:11<Ouroboros>teatime: how long ago was that?
00:12<teatime>I dunno, like 2 weeks?
00:12<wowaname->one sec
00:12<teatime>the btrfs FAQ tells you it's not considered stable / suitable for production / use at your own risk.
00:12<R4F_Debian>btrfs project started in 2007, still unstable ? My God !
00:12<wowaname->23 24 04 < wowaname-> anyway, what would be a good way to hunt down the cause for my ethernet interface resetting every 24 hours? i already looked through crontabs, syslogs, running services, installed packages...
00:12<wowaname->23 24 34 < wowaname-> either i'm not looking hard enough or my isp is lying to me and it really is a problem on their end
00:12<wowaname->23 25 35 < wowaname-> i configured my ip address to be static so that ☆should☆ rule out dhcp unless there's somehow something else screwing that up
00:12<wowaname->23 26 06 < wowaname-> been having this issue for more than a month now, i'm really tired of it and nobody seems to be able to explain it or to help
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00:12<wowaname->thanks bot
00:12<Ouroboros>teatime: well, i dunno, i got the impression that as long as you dont do something unusual it should be fine
00:12<teatime>Filesystems have a tendency to retain this disclaimer for a looong time, though.
00:12<Ouroboros>at least it seems more stable than zfs-on-linux
00:13<teatime>yeah, probably so.
00:13<Ouroboros>and much easier to install
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00:13<wowaname->i may finally make a paste for that if i ask again in another hour :P
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00:14<Ouroboros>teatime: should the inclusion of btrfs in the installer be interpreted as some sort of basic seal of approval?
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00:15<jmcnaught>wowaname-: what does your /etc/network/interfaces look like? does the problem always happen at the same time? what do the logs/journal from that time say?
00:15<R4F_Debian>yes, Ouroboros, check this .pdf file - " A Performance Comparison of ZFS and BTRFS on Linux "
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00:15<Ouroboros>i dont care about performance
00:15<R4F_Debian>the same point of view you have, comparing zfs and btrfs on Linux
00:15<teatime>Ouroboros: Don't mis-understand me. I'm not claiming it will probably blow up or kill your dog. Just that its developers do not yet consider it stable and well-tested enough to really trust it. A high bar is set for calling a filesystem driver stable/mature. So, use it, sure; lots of people do, without issue. And have backups, regardless.
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00:16<wowaname->jmcnaught i'll paste my interfaces file in a second, the problem happens at the same time every day pretty much down to the minute, and i havent been able to find anything in /var/log around that time
00:16<jmcnaught>wowaname-: are you in jessie? what about from journalctl?
00:16<Ouroboros>teatime: i am gonna test it on the vps i am setting up, which is kinda semi-production
00:16<teatime>Ouroboros: Do you have specific need for the features of ZFS/btrfs?
00:17<wowaname->i'll check journalctl; i'm in testing
00:17<teatime>if not, why bother; md+lvm+ext4 covers a large number of situations.
00:17<Ouroboros>teatime: i like checksums
00:17<Ouroboros>teatime: also, i have been using zfs for like 7+ years, so i am kinda used to that
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00:17<teatime>can I note that this juncture that I don't appreciate them naming the SATA-raid driver or whatever it is 'dmraid'.
00:17<teatime>that is very confusing.
00:18<jmcnaught>wowaname-: testing support is in #debian-next, also probably not a good choice for a server
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00:18<wowaname->i use it fine on my vps lol
00:19<R4F_Debian>Ouroboros, Debian Wheezy and ZFS, in this case - 71 TiB DIY NAS Based on ZFS on Linux
00:19<wowaname->and #debian-next is worse than here for getting any support
00:19<ritek>jmcnaught, I downloaded the file: debian-8.3.0-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso burned the iso, boot and install until I got the boot loader error mentioned
00:19<teatime>wowaname-: no, it's not.
00:19<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: its just a big pain to get zfs on root right now since the installer doesnt include it
00:19<teatime>wowaname-: use the appropriate channel, or you will just get non-responses pointing you elsewhere.
00:20<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: its doable, but if you dont care which one, then easier to just test btrfs now, i think
00:20<wowaname->well i've been getting non-responses when i asked several times before in the past month
00:20<wowaname->two or three times, both oftc and freenode, both here and -next
00:20<R4F_Debian>I see Ouroboros, but you mean in the case of Linux Distributions ?
00:20<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: yes, i mean in debian specifically
00:20<wowaname->i see nothing in journalctl except for side-effects like ssh disconnecting
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00:20<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: in solaris, zfs works great, e.g.
00:21<ritek>jmcnaught, debian jessie stable btw
00:21<jmcnaught>ritek: does it give you a choice for where to install grub?
00:22<R4F_Debian>yes, Ouroboros, your point of view is more logical, in the case of Linux, and I use Debian, not any Illumos Distro
00:22<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: it is of course easy to set up zfs for non-root partition, so you are welcome to test that as well
00:22<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: there is #zfsonlinux on freenode, if you care
00:23<ritek>jmcnaught, nope because as soon as I go to the "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" step I get an error.
00:23<Ouroboros>wowaname-: what do you mean by 'reset' btw
00:23<R4F_Debian>yes, I have a Friend over there who works in this development, but will invest more study and tests on Debian Jessie/btrfs, Ouroboros
00:23<ritek>jmcnaught, my partitions are swap and / only.
00:23<wowaname->all current connections are disconnected Ouroboros
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00:24<Ouroboros>wowaname-: there is nothing in the log like interface went down/up ?
00:24<jmcnaught>ritek: if it's booting in UEFI mode (not legacy) there should be a /boot/efi special partition. did you use guided or manual partitioning?
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00:25<wowaname->Ouroboros nothing that i see in the logs i looked at. all i see is stuff like ssh and ircd
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00:25<R4F_Debian>Ouroboros, I have already tried to install zfs on one of my several Debian Jessie installations, and grub was crashed after procedures. I can't open this Jessie installation anymore
00:26<ritek>jmcnaught, oh when I booted in UEFI mode on my first try yes, I had an EFI system partition along with swap and /. I used manual partitioning
00:26<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: did you use this?
00:26<R4F_Debian>What should I do to boot this hard drive with Debian Jessie again ? Since, it seems to be grub has been damaged by any error zfs install procedure
00:26<R4F_Debian>exactly this link
00:27<Ouroboros>not sure if its completely up to date
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00:27<bob>hello hello
00:27<R4F_Debian>but couldn't go on, stoped on the 1st phase, before zpool creation
00:27<jmcnaught>ritek: to be honest i don't completely understand what that EFI partition is for. What if you try with guided partitioning? You can always tweak what it has prepared if it's not ideal. Also i recommend using LVM
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00:28<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: did you try to put grub on zfs?
00:29<Ouroboros>wowaname-: well, if the link went down, there would be a message, so that makes me think its either on the isp side, or perhaps driver issue on your side
00:30<R4F_Debian>Ouroboros, don't know exactly what happened that night I tried to install zfs on my Debian Jessie as I said you, but after reboot, couldn't open Debian again
00:30<Ouroboros>wowaname-: do you have physical access to this machine?
00:30<wowaname->yes it's my desktop Ouroboros
00:30<wowaname->and i plan to contact my isp again if i cant find anything wrong on my end
00:30<Ouroboros>wowaname-: well, can you set up some test situation where you loopback to the same machine?
00:30<Ouroboros>and then see if it dies in that case
00:30<R4F_Debian>I think not, Ouroboros, this situation can be fixed ? Can I boot it again, after rebuild grub ?
00:31<Ouroboros>wowaname-: if it always happens at the same time, should be easy to test that
00:31<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: everything can be fixed with sufficient effort :)
00:31<wowaname->Ouroboros loopback over lo or actually try to connect to my own machine over the internet?
00:31<Ouroboros>wowaname-: does it have a second nic?
00:31<wowaname->just one
00:31<Ouroboros>another machine then?
00:32<jmcnaught>ritek: if it helps at all, i'm on a thinkpad x220. i completely disabled legacy boot, installed using the netinst installer iso, and used guided partitioning with LVM (manually tweaked a bit), and it worked fine.
00:32<R4F_Debian>yes, Ouroboros, I will spend enough effort for that, but is there any documentation for that ?
00:32<Ouroboros>wowaname-: what i mean is, eliminate the isp from the equation, just have a local cable, and then run some connection over that
00:32<R4F_Debian>can you pass me any path for that, please ?
00:32<wowaname->Ouroboros in that case my "test situation" has been my past experience over the last one or two months with ssh disconnects, irc netsplits, etc
00:32<wowaname->oh ok
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00:32<wowaname->so you want me to test the card itself
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00:33<wowaname->idk how feasible that would be to test, but i'll see what i can do
00:33<Ouroboros>i mean, it can still be software or hardware, but at least you will know if its on your machine
00:33<Ouroboros>also, is there a router involved here?
00:33<jmcnaught>wowaname-: Ouroboros: maybe you could both move it to #debian-next so there's not two separate troubleshooting discussions, also testing is offtopic in #debian
00:34<teatime>no, Ouroboros, I imagine he has a direct link to every host on the internet.
00:34<Ouroboros>teatime: do you not? ;-)
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00:34<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: i would just see if you can get help in #zfsonlinux
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00:35<ritek>jmcnaught, I'm trying again (in UEFI mode) and the Guided partitioning is: EFI system partition with bootable partition but no /boot/efi or so indicated, an ext4 partition for /, and a swap partition
00:35<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: honestly i havent even had a working debian install in like years, so i cant help you :)
00:35<ritek>jmcnaught, what's the difference in using LVM?
00:36<R4F_Debian>Ouroboros, probably they won't help me on this, for it's grub related, more than zfs itself, My issue will be considered off-topic over there
00:36<Ouroboros>R4F_Debian: not necessarily
00:37<jmcnaught>ritek: LVM is not going to help with this GRUB installer problem, but it's a lot more flexible than partitions, has features like snapshots
00:37<R4F_Debian>I can try it, but not so sure about this. OK Ouroboros, I understand you, but thanks for attention and information given !
00:38<ritek>jmcnaught, if it's related I'm planning to use a Debian only system btw, no dual boot
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00:38<R4F_Debian>Bye Ouroboros, have you a good rest and day (or night, ehehe)
00:38<R4F_Debian>Bye jmcnaught !
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00:42<jmcnaught>ritek: from what you describe it's failing before it even tries to install GRUB.. it just gets to that screen and has an error. am i correct?
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00:44<ritek>jmcnaught, yes, fails when trying to install it
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00:45<jmcnaught>ritek: if you switch to tty4 with alt+f4 are there any more useful errors?
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00:47<ritek>let me try
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00:51<ritek>jmcnaught, "main-menu [357]: WARNING **: Configuring 'grub-installer' failed with error code 1" and then another line saying: "Menu item 'grub-installer' failed."
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00:52<Ouroboros>ritek: can you show syslog?
00:53<ritek>Ouroboros, what do you mean?
00:53<jmcnaught>ritek: does it ask before that where to install? i seem to recall the installer giving me a prompt about that. Also maybe your UEFI has an option for preventing OS installation or something like that
00:53<Ouroboros>[21:45:14] <jmcnaught> ritek: if you switch to tty4 with alt+f4 are there any more useful errors? | check syslog there
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00:54<ritek>jmcnaught, nope, it didn't prompt for where to install
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00:55<jmcnaught>ritek: maybe it only prompts for that in the advanced mode
00:55<Ouroboros>most likely there are some errors before that one
00:55<Ouroboros>most likely similar to this:
00:56<ritek>Ouroboros, sure in the syslog is where I saw the error "Configuring 'grub-installer' failed with error code 1"
00:56<Ouroboros>ritek: but what was there before that?
00:56<ritek>not very verbose though
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00:58<ritek>Ouroboros, "info: architecture: amd64/generic Reading dependency tree... Reading state information... grub-common is already the newest version. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded"
00:59<ritek>jmcnaught, yes I'm in "Graphical expert install" mode
00:59<Ouroboros>i mean, there are no messages referencing /dev/sd* ?
00:59*ritek checks the url above
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01:00<jmcnaught>could this be a MSDOS vs GPT partition table issue?
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01:00<ritek>Ouroboros, nope, no messages referencing /dev/something or similar :(
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01:01<Ouroboros>that makes things harder
01:02<aidalgol>With rsync, does a trailing slash on the DEST change the behaviour at all?
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01:02<teatime>yes, it does.
01:03<aidalgol>What does it do?
01:03<aidalgol>I've found in the manpage the explanation of trailing slash vs. no trailing slash with the *SRC* arguments, but nothing about the DEST argument.
01:03<ritek>Ouroboros, strange... I don't get the /dev/something messages the person in the forum got
01:03<teatime>well, I might be wrong.
01:04<Ouroboros>ritek: checked everything in /var/log/* and dmesg?
01:04<teatime>I thought rsync path/a local/b would copy a to b, and path/a local/b/ would copy a to b/a
01:04<teatime>but docs seem to disagree with that
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01:05<Ouroboros>easy to test
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01:17<ritek>jmcnaught, what kind of issue is that?
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01:18<jmcnaught>ritek: the partition tables for UEFI systems should be GPT, not the old MSDOS style from what i understand
01:19<ritek>Ouroboros, ok so on the first try when I got the error, the installer was installing some packages, along those there was 'grub-common', and after that the error I mentioned
01:20<somiaj>mine as well, the EFI partition is only a partition type in GPT, not MBR
01:20<ritek>but no /dev/something error
01:20<adude>one ipon the time i had a raid boaar wit 4 TB Hd in array with a single 16TB volume
01:21<ritek>jmcnaught, on expert install yes, when you want to create your partitions I was asked to select a partition table, 'gpt' was selected by default, so I used that. the problem is that I still cannot install the bootloader in Legacy mode
01:22<ritek>not only UEFI
01:22<Ouroboros>well we need more debug info
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01:23<jmcnaught>ritek: you mean that with GPT both legacy and uefi fail the same way?
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01:25<ritek>jmcnaught, no, when I tried UEFI mode I used gpt, and on Legacy I used msdos. in both cases their respective partition table was pre-selected among the list of partition tables, so I just clicked 'Continue'
01:26<ritek>should I also use 'msdos' on UEFI??
01:26<teatime>but you can use gpt on legacy bios, generally
01:26<ritek>sorry, I meant GPT in Legacy
01:26<ritek>oh, I haven't tried that
01:27<jmcnaught>ritek: i'm pretty sure i saw an HP once with a BIOS feature that prevented writing to the MBR (it was a while back). maybe there's a feature like that you could disable on your system?
01:29<somiaj>You have to set up the MBR in the GPT to be able to do legacy boot, and not quite sure on the details on that.
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01:35<adude>i am depressed, my beautifull niece cutted the hair as man, dress as man,
01:38<jmcnaught>adude: gotta respect her choices, also this is off topic.
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01:41<jmcnaught>adude: also please don't private message people without asking first
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01:50<wowaname->i should tune in here more and see if im not too hopeless to help out people
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02:58<ritek>jmcnaught, tried disabling any type of bios security preventing me to install an operating system, but no luck. I tried again in UEFI mode and got this error as well: "lilo-installer: LILO not usable on EFI PCs without BIOS compatibility; use grub-efi" and on the next lines: "INFO: Menu item 'grub-installer' selected. info: architecture: amd64/efi"
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03:03<chris_se>ritek, why do you want to use LILO?
03:03<chris_se>(LILO upstream has said they won't continue the project)
03:04<ritek>chris_se, I selected "Install GRUB" and that's the output I got
03:04<chris_se>are you sure? in expert mode "Install LILO" is just one step below "Install GRUB"
03:05<jmcnaught>ritek: it looks like someone was able to install jessie on this model (they tried the stretch installer first which didn't work, but the jessie installer did):
03:05<jmcnaught>unfortunately they don't document any of the sort of problems that you've been having
03:06<ritek>chris_se, after LILO fails it tries with GRUB, but I only selected Install GRUB, and it was the only option available
03:06<chris_se>ritek, what was your initial problem? I am currently running a Jessie system on UEFI
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03:06<chris_se>(no secure boot though)
03:06<jmcnaught>ritek: out of curiousity, how did you prepare your installation media? is it a CD/DVD. Did you use something like unetbootin to copy the iso to a USB stick?
03:06*ritek reads the url
03:08<ritek>jmcnaught, I burned the cd with cdrskin: cdrskin -v dev=/dev/sr0 -dao debian-8.3.0-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso I also used a USB and prepared it like: dd bs=4M if=debian-8.3.0-amd64-lxde-CD-1.iso of=/dev/sda
03:10<jmcnaught>ritek: sounds fine, a little surprising the USB stick was /dev/sda. instead of dd, "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" works just as well
03:12<ritek>jmcnaught, it's because I only have a raspberry pi 3, and /dev/mmcblk0 is the main one, any usb would be sda, sdb, etc
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03:14<Ouroboros>[00:10:15] <jmcnaught> instead of dd, "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX" works just as well | are you sure about that?
03:14<teatime>it does.
03:15<jmcnaught>Ouroboros: check the install manual, dd isn't even mentioned, but cp is
03:15<chris_se>just don't do either with a non-existent device name, or you'll fill up your /dev ramdisk ;)
03:15<Ouroboros>how would that not just overwrite the node file?
03:15<themill>(dd never has been mentioned in the install guide as a way to copy the installer)
03:15<chris_se>Ouroboros, because cp doesn't recreate the destination but just opens it for writing
03:15<themill>Ouroboros: in the same way you don't with dd
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03:16<teatime>Ouroboros: cp detects it's a block device.
03:16<teatime>or, hrm.
03:16<teatime>ok I guess it works anyway. but I thought it required some intelligence on the part of cp.
03:17<Ouroboros>i dunno, is this new?
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03:17<jmcnaught>dd being required is just part of the popular mythology
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03:18<themill>open(2) treating devices in this way is part of posix
03:19<Ouroboros>oh well, whatevs
03:19<chris_se>well, if you want to read from a block device, then you typically don't want to read the entire device, but just a section of it (e.g. the first 512 bytes or so) - and then dd is required
03:20<chris_se>because cp will copy the entire contents, which can be huge
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03:20<themill>chris_se: while true, that's not relevant for copying the installer image to a device
03:20<chris_se>I was just explaining why dd is popular for block devices
03:21<chris_se>btw. in case you want to image a drive, consider using gnu ddrescue instead of dd or cp, beause even if the drive isn't broken, gnu ddrescue uses a logfile and supports Ctrl+C and then restarting at a later point in time
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03:25<jmcnaught>ritek: is your system configured for UEFI only, or both legacy and UEFI?
03:28<ritek>jmcnaught, that guy was very lucky :), thanks for the link btw. I've tried setting my system to UEFI only and also to Both (Legacy and UEFI). Tried installing Debian in UEFI mode under those 2 scenarios, haven't been able to install bootloader.
03:29<chris_se>ritek, your disk has a GPT partition table and you have an EFI boot partition?
03:30<chris_se>(fdisk -l /dev/disk, should give you "Disklabel type: gpt" and at least one partition, typically the first, with type "EFI system")
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03:39<ritek>chris_se, Disklabel type: dos
03:39<ritek>oh I'm sorry, that's the live cd one
03:40<ritek>chris_se, Disklabel type: gpt
03:40<chris_se>and does it have an "EFI system" partition?
03:41<ritek>and /dev/nvme0n1p1 is an EFI System, p1 is Linux filesystem and p3 is a Linux swap
03:41<ritek>* p2 is a Linux filesystem
03:41<chris_se>hmmm, that looks right
03:42<chris_se>could you start a rescue shell from the installer in the installed system?
03:42<chris_se>(bootloader install is the last step, so the rest should already be set up)
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03:44<ritek>chris_se, answering your previous question, the initial probelm is I cannot install a bootloader in debian jessie stable amd64 on a lenovo t460s. I've disabled Secure Boot as is not supported in Debian and disabled any security related setting in the bios of the laptop. tried both Legacy and UEFI mode installer with no luck
03:45<chris_se>then a rescue shell _within_ the installed system would be great, because then you could run commands directly and see what happens
03:49<ritek>chris_se, sure I'm in
03:50<chris_se>ok, can you verify that it's a shell of the installed system and not the installer?
03:50<chris_se>and then can you verify that the installer mounted /proc, /sys and /dev? (check the output of the "mount" command) - as well as that it mounted /dev/nvme0n1p1 on /boot/efi?
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03:53<ritek>chris_se, after entering Graphical rescue mode I selected "Execute a shell", looks I'm in a shell as root user
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03:54<chris_se>ok, can you check the "mount" output?
03:54<ritek>chris_se, "none on /proc", "non on /sys", "devtmpfs on /dev type devtmpfs"
03:54<chris_se>good, and /dev/nvme0n1p2 is / and p1 is /boot/efi?
03:54<ritek>those are not mounted
03:55<chris_se>ok, then you are in the installer environment
03:55<chris_se>then please do:
03:55<chris_se>mount /dev/nvme0n1p2 /target
03:55<chris_se>mount /dev/nbm0n1p1 /target/boot/efi
03:55<chris_se>(please correct my spelling)
03:55<chris_se>mount --bind /dev /target/dev
03:56<chris_se>mount --bind /proc /target/proc
03:56<chris_se>mount --bind /sys /target/sys
03:56<chris_se>mount --bind /dev/pts /target/dev/pts
03:56<chris_se>and then: chroot /target /bin/bash
03:56<chris_se>and check the output of the mount command again
03:58<chris_se>I assume that meant it worked :)
03:59<ritek>chris_se, all of them are mounted now and I'm in the installed env
03:59<chris_se>dpkg -l grub-efi-amd64
03:59<dpkg>ii grub-efi-amd64 3.7-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
04:00<chris_se>Jessie comes with 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1
04:00<chris_se>where did that package come from?
04:00<ritek>chris_se, i get "un" instead of "ii"
04:01<chris_se>ah that was dpkg, not you
04:01<chris_se>I should read more
04:01<ritek>since doesn't show version nor architecture I asume is not installed
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04:01<chris_se>ritek, yes, it's not installed
04:01<chris_se>try installing it :)
04:01<chris_se>(normally the installer should install it by default btw.)
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04:03<ritek>chrs_se, on the syslog for the installer 'grub-common' was the package being installed and then the grub-installer error appeared. I see that installing grub-efi-amd64 would also install grub2-common
04:03<ritek>chris_se, ^
04:04<chris_se>yeah, grub-common is grub1
04:04<chris_se>which doesn't work with UEFI and probably doesn't work with non-UEFI-but-GPT
04:04<chris_se>(or you could make it work manually with the latter, but the former definitely won't work)
04:04<ritek>I see
04:05<chris_se>,v grub-common
04:05<judd>Package: grub-common on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze2; wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.99-27+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.99-27+deb7u3; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; sid: 2.02~beta2-36; stretch: 2.02~beta2-36
04:05<chris_se>oh. interesting, that's not grub1
04:06<chris_se>ah, grub-common is for both grub1 and grub2 and grub2-common has other files that would break grub1
04:06<chris_se>(just read the package description)
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04:06<chris_se>anyway, is grub-efi-amd64 now installed on your system?
04:07<ritek>chris_se, it tells me to insert the installation disc in /media/cdrom, but I'm running the installer from a usb stick
04:07<chris_se>ok, your sources.list still has the installer cd in there
04:07<chris_se>please edit that (nano is probably the only editor installed)
04:07<chris_se>and just use a network mirror
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04:09<ritek>chris_se, installed, with an error: debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Newt can't locate Debconf/FrontEnd/
04:10<ritek>looks like a perl module
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04:10<ritek>"falling back to frontend: Noninteractive"
04:10<ritek>other than that grub2-common is now installed!
04:11<chris_se>oh, you probably have the DEBIAN_FRONTEND env variable set from the installer
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04:11<chris_se>unset DEBIAN_FRONTEND
04:12<Das_Cheese>huh? which server/channel is for stretch/testing questions? for some reason I can't find it O_o
04:12<chris_se>Das_Cheese, #debian-next
04:12<ritek>chris_se, done
04:12<Das_Cheese>chris_se, ah, thanks
04:12<chris_se>ritek, do you now also have grub-efi-amd64?
04:13<chris_se>(btw. install grub-efi as well, even though it's a dummy package, just for good measure)
04:13<ritek>chris_se, installed
04:13<chris_se>now try:
04:14<chris_se>grub-install /dev/nvme0n1
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04:14<novemberjr>I'm having troubles with my realtek network adapter. I have no internet on my laptop where debian is, so can't install programs properly. Is it possible to make a module from on another computer and then transmit it to me?
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04:14<chris_se>novemberjr, if you are using realtek, you probably just want to install the firmware-linux-nonfree package (available in the non-free section)
04:14<chris_se>then you don't need a separate module in almost all cases
04:15<novemberjr>It doesn't help. Many people have troubles with r8168
04:15<ritek>chris_se, "Installing for x86_64-efi platform. Installation finished. No error reported."
04:15<chris_se>ritek, great, now let's just verify that kernel + initramfs are in order and then you should be able to boot the system
04:15<chris_se>ritek, dpkg -l linux-image-amd64
04:16<chris_se>novemberjr, then maybe the module will help, maybe not, no experience. you could try a newer kernel from jessie-backports (see instructions at )
04:17<jmcnaught>novemberjr: do you see any relevant errors from "dmesg | grep -i firmware" ?
04:17<ritek>chris_see, it is installed (it has the 'ii' thing, and shows version 3.16+63 for amd64)
04:17<chris_se>ritek, good, that looks great. for good measure, do the following in order (might not be necessary, but would hate for this to be the problem why your system doesn't boot):
04:18<chris_se>update-initramfs -k all -u
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04:18<chris_se>(update-grub "just" regenerates /boot/grub/grub.cfg, which is orthogonal to grub-install)
04:19<awar>hi all
04:19<ritek>chris_se, done (no errors)
04:19<novemberjr>No errors there. Right now r8169 is blacklisted, and r8168 isn't built yet
04:19<chris_se>ritek, and as a last check you can also run "efibootmgr -v"
04:20<chris_se>that should have an entry like "Boot0000* debian HD(....something...)File(\EFI\debian\grubx64.efi)"
04:21<chris_se>and "BootOrder: 0000" (or "BootOrder: 0000,somethingelse")
04:21<awar>can you help me about my nvidia card
04:21<jmcnaught>novemberjr: you almost never want to install kernel modules you download from a manufacturer's website on debian. even if it works at first, it'll break at the next kernel update. what do you get from "lspci -nn | grep -i network"? please use if it's more than a couple of lines
04:21<chris_se>awar, just ask your question, if there's somebody here to help you with that, they'll answer
04:21<ritek>chris_se, both entries are there
04:22<novemberjr>I'm currently trying this solution and it needs to build a module
04:22<chris_se>ritek, good :) (btw. don't use efibootmgr to change things unless you know what you are doing. running it with -v only prints the current configuration, which is harmless, but it can seriously break your boot if you change things with it)
04:22<chris_se>ritek, then type "exit" _once_ to get back to the installer environment
04:22<awar>ok chris_se :)
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04:23<ritek>chris_se, sure
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04:23<jmcnaught>novemberjr: sure, but that might not be relevant 5 years later.
04:23<chris_se>and in the installer environment, umount (in order) the following: /target/boot/efi, /target/dev/pts, /target/dev, /target/sys, /target/proc, /target
04:24<novemberjr>lspci shows there's no realtek device, because I've blacklisted it
04:24<chris_se>novemberjr, lspci should show the device always, regardless of blacklisting
04:24<jmcnaught>novemberjr: is it a usb device?
04:24<chris_se>(blacklisting is just for the driver, not the device)
04:25<awar>so i need to use the optirun for rendering image with more speed and for that i need to use oprtirun. I try to install nouveau and nvidia-drive bat optirun not work. i see also this page because is my laptop and i read that work all. i follow also the guide of wiki debian
04:25<novemberjr>not usb
04:25<novemberjr>The device was there before
04:25<ritek>chris_se, unmounted
04:25<awar>but for the moment i not resolve because startx crash for one reason. Please help me
04:26<chris_se>ritek, great. type in "sync" just for good measure, and reboot your system. it should boot
04:26<chris_se>(without the installer)
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04:27<novemberjr>Maybe we are looking for a wrong device? I saw eth adapter today,undoubtedly
04:29<jmcnaught>novemberjr: "lspci -nn | grep -i net" then? i'm looking for the PCI ID, it'll look like [2348:1a34]
04:30<ritek>chris_se, nice!
04:30<novemberjr>Also the module from the manufacturer seems to be fresh
04:30<ritek>chris_se, thanks so much for your help, time and patience. it works
04:30<chris_se>ritek, :) luckily the bootloader is the last thing the installer does, so you're set
04:31<chris_se>just check your sources.list and adjust it to your needs
04:31<jmcnaught>novemberjr: if you don't want to try the debian way you could ask the manufacturer for support
04:31<chris_se>(e.g. is debian-security activated, etc.)
04:31<jmcnaught>ritek: hurray!
04:32<novemberjr>Now it shows the device, but I have to type it. What info do we need?
04:33<chris_se>anyway, glad to help, have fun with your debian installation, I'll go buy some breakfast
04:33<novemberjr>I mean, I can't just copy the text
04:33<jmcnaught>novemberjr: the part that looks like [1234:5678]
04:33<ritek>thanks. sources.list looks fine
04:34<jmcnaught>judd: pciid 10ec:8168
04:34<judd>[10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in jessie. See also
04:35<jmcnaught>novemberjr: you probably just need to undo the blacklisting, and figure out which firmware package you need to install. remove the blacklist and try "modprobe r8169" then check the dmesg output for errors about missing firmware
04:36<novemberjr>jmcnaght: dmesg says r8169 link down
04:37<jmcnaught>novemberjr: is your network cable plugged in, or did you give me the pci id for your ethernet when you were talking about wifi?
04:38<novemberjr>cable is plugged in, and I'm talking about ethernet
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04:39<novemberjr>Еру сable is plugged but it says it isn't, this is the initial problem
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04:40<novemberjr>*the cable
04:40<jmcnaught>try a different cable? is the link light on, also at the other end?
04:41<novemberjr>and the device works fine on windows, I checked it
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04:42<jmcnaught>novemberjr: it looks like you need this package:
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04:43<jmcnaught>novemberjr: i don't know why you didn't see messages about firmware in dmesg output
04:43<novemberjr>I've tried this package already
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04:45<jmcnaught>novemberjr: it's currently installed then? i suspect that whatever problem you had originally it's been made worse with attempts at blacklisting and installing third party modules
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04:47<novemberjr>Maybe I missed it. Currently it is installed and not blacklisted. I haven't tried 3rd party modules yet, because I can't install them. Also the system is clean and I can re-install it if it's needed
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04:55<novemberjr>jmcnaught: should I try this I have ethtool installed, does it require anything else?
04:58<jmcnaught>novemberjr: you could try it, looks easy to undo
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05:06<novemberjr>jmcnaught: I don't understand.. there is no ethtool in /usr/sbin , what it's supposed to do?
05:07<chris_se>in Debian it's in /sbin not /usr/sbin
05:08<igor_>Hello, I am trying to configure ceph cluster for the first time. I've configured everything: hosts, network, ntp, passwordless ssh login. Installed ceph on one main host, than from that host, used ceph-deploy to install it on other hosts. Then installed mons on each and zapped and allocated osds, but ceph status shows health_warning, even after reboots and several days passed. Also, cluster shows 0 bytes total and none of the osds got up.
05:09<igor_>Status shows, that osds are available, but they are all down. when I do ceph disk list, it shows them on all hosts and parted shows their real sizes, but they show 0 bytes.
05:09<jmcnaught>novemberjr: sorry i'm getting tired, i hope you figure it out :)
05:09<chris_se>igor_, while it's fine to ask here (if you're using the official debian packages), I doubt many people here will have experience with ceph, so you may want to find a more ceph-specific channel to ask your question, because there you're more likely to get help
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05:10<chris_se>(for example, I know what it is, but have never used it)
05:10<novemberjr>Okay, thank you for the effort, I really appreciate it
05:10<chris_se>novemberjr, did you read this? <chris_se> in Debian it's in /sbin not /usr/sbin
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05:12<igor_>chris_se, oh, I am sorry, I've clicked on ceph channel, but maybe, by accident clicket on debian and didn't knotice it. Sorry, I didn't see it, until you said about Debian. Well, It's Ubuntu packaged ceph version. I will go back to the ceph channel.
05:12<novemberjr>chris_se: yes, thank you, I've tried this but no effect. But why two different guides say /usr/sbin..
05:12<chris_se>igor_, no worries, mistakes happen :)
05:12<chris_se>novemberjr, well, on Fedora it is in /usr/sbin, that's why
05:13<chris_se>so did you just run the program?
05:13<novemberjr>oh, I forgot this
05:13<chris_se>because if you put it in the configuration file, then you need to reload the kernel module
05:13<chris_se>alternatively, you don't need to put it into a configuration file and just run the program manually to see if it works
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05:14<chris_se>(the configuration file will make it permanent)
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05:14<chris_se>so try: ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off
05:15<chris_se>and then explicitly set the link to up (e.g. via ip link set dev eth0 up, ip -4 addr add dev eth0 or whatever your IP is)
05:15<chris_se>and try ping
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05:21<toto>hello guys
05:21<toto>is anyone there?
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05:27<novemberjr>chris_se: so, is it possible to build the r8168 module on another computer? Please can you help me with that?
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05:28<chris_se>novemberjr, well, if you have an identical debian version, probably. but I don't have experience with proprietary realtek drivers, so I can only give you general pointers
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05:31<novemberjr>chris_se: do you need the kernel ver.? Mine is 3.16.0-4-686-pae
05:32<chris_se>you need another computer with the same debian version (including the same kernel)
05:32<chris_se>then you could compile it on another computer so that it would work on the target
05:32<chris_se>(another computer: could also be a virtual machine)
05:32<novemberjr>VM, that's a great idea
05:33<chris_se>note that you're using a 32bit debian, so your VM also needs a 32bit version
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05:34<chris_se>but before you do: are you _sure_ your cable is OK? did you test that with another operating system? because I'd really hate for you to spend time on this and then notice that even with the vendor driver installed properly it doesn't work for you
05:34<chris_se>oh btw. there's a debian package for that specific vendor driver I just noticed - it's in unstable only though
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05:37<chris_se>but it only has a trivial dependency - so what you could do is the following, without resorting to a second computer: install the "dkms" package on the target machine (perhaps via apt-offline)
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05:37<chris_se>and then manually install the r8168-dkms package from unstable there - it should build the module automatically
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05:40<chris_se>also: don't run an NFS server on a machine using that vendor driver, because of
05:40<judd>Bug in r8168-dkms (open, upstream): «Potential data loss and security breach when used with nfs server»; severity: critical; opened: 2015-12-09; last modified: 2015-12-21.
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06:26<oem>when you "history" and then, i.e., "!438" - it will execute the command found in history at #438.. but how do you just make it eval to that command without executing? just so that you can edit it first
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07:33<lancelot>Does anyone know a good qemu GUI?
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07:36<chris_se>lancelot, libvirt + virt-manager
07:37<lancelot>alright, i will try again to make them work
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07:37<chris_se>so on debian since squeeze this is just: install the proper libvirt packages (on jessie for example it's libvirt-bin) and then also virt-manager
07:38<chris_se>add your own user to the libvirt group and you're all set
07:38<lancelot>there are so many packages
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07:38<chris_se>apt-get install libvirt-bin libvirt-clients virt-manager
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07:39<chris_se>then add your own user to the libvirt group (gpasswd -a yourusername libvirt), log out, log in again, and start virt-manager
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08:31<root>hi guys
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09:21<iamaguest>i have a question
09:22<iamaguest>if i install gnome, can i remove some feature for example office apps or games/
09:22<iamaguest>i mean keep gnome and remove office?
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09:25<jmcnaught>iamaguest: there is a gnome-core package that installs just the DE without as many as the applications that the gnome package pulls in
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09:27<iamaguest>but in this situation have i to do a first install without gnome and select features one by one?
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09:28<jmcnaught>!install gnome
09:28<dpkg>To install GNOME: «apt-get install …» 1. 'task-gnome-desktop' (Debian installer default) 2. 'gnome' (recommended) 3. 'gnome-desktop-environment' (upstream GNOME) 4. 'gnome-core' (like 3, minus end-user applications) 5. 'gnome-session gdm3 network-manager-gnome' (minimalist, not recommended). You will need Xorg installed as well, ask me about <install x>.
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09:31<blast007>iamaguest: yes, you would choose to not initially install Gnome and then install it after you've booted into your new install
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09:32<iamaguest>i remember to see on suse website an installation constructor, to customize the instllation media
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09:34<iamaguest>the package contest of what is more used is "less smart" approach
09:34<jmcnaught>iamaguest: please keep it in the channel :) sorry i didn't realize you were in the installer. you can always install gnome after you finish the Debian installation. Personally I don't see the harm in having some extra applications installed
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09:37<chris_se>ack. I don't use gnome but I probably have nearly all gnome packages installed here (it's way too much work to curate the package list to remove things I don't use than to just keep the stuff installed and maybe spend an extra 2 minutes every point release for upgrades)
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09:38<jmcnaught>iamaguest: please don't private message people without asking first. it's better to do support in the channel. if i tell you bad advice, others will correct it.
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09:39<iamaguest>just a simple question, statistically what people likes more, mate ou gnome?
09:39<chris_se>depends on what people you ask
09:40<chris_se>statistics depends on the sample
09:40<chris_se>if you're talking all people everywhere: there are probably more gnome users out there than mate users, but that might be because gnome is the default for many distributions (debian, fedora, ...), and the vast majority of people probably don't really care that much
09:40<iamaguest>i dont nedd standard deviation, just opinions
09:41<blast007>iamaguest: try both. there's even live dvd images of the various desktop environments.
09:41<themill>,v gnome-core
09:41<judd>Package: gnome-core on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+4
09:41<themill>,popcon gnome-core
09:41<judd>Popcon data for gnome-core: inst: 55548, vote: 0, old: 0, recent: 0, nofiles: 55548
09:41<themill>,popcon mate-desktop-environment
09:41<judd>Popcon data for mate-desktop-environment: inst: 10372, vote: 0, old: 0, recent: 0, nofiles: 10372
09:41<themill>make of that what you will
09:41<chris_se>,popcon mate-core
09:41<judd>Popcon data for mate-core: inst: 911, vote: 0, old: 0, recent: 0, nofiles: 911
09:42<blast007>(if you don't want to install both, at least)
09:42<chris_se>it's way less work to install both than to reinstall the entire distribution. imho
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09:46<iamaguest>a weak netbook is like a low class server, so, choose what is going to install is a life matter
09:48<iamaguest>and the xserver and desktop environment eats a lot of memory
09:48<chris_se>then I would maybe suggest xfce instead
09:48<jmcnaught>iamaguest: most applications aren't going to be running all the time, just taking up a little bit of storage space. however gnome is probably not the best pick for a netbook
09:48<iamaguest>i am on xfce now
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09:50<chris_se>and you don't like it?
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09:51<iamaguest>those who believe that machines dont make mistakes, try to run a desktop on just 1G
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09:51<iamaguest>yes xfce is a light weight pearl
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09:51<chris_se>well, gnome uses more resources than xfce, that's for sure. mate probably less than gnome, but probably still a bit more than xfce
09:52<chris_se>on the other hand, just having gnome installed won't eat anything other than disk space - only if you start it will it actually use up RAM
09:53<chris_se>so unless your disk is extremely tiny, I don't see why you couldn't just install different things at the same time and try them out
09:53<chris_se>(I expect you can fit debian with all 3 of gnome, xfce and mate into less than 5 gig of disk space)
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09:56<iamaguest>netbooks are almost disapearing
09:56<iamaguest>the weak ones
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09:58<iamaguest>the developers today dont care much about memory saving
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09:59<iamaguest>if you see they add many useless libraries to do simple things before compile
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10:03<iamaguest>a home user is greedy when buy harware
10:04<iamaguest>it is very usual for a desktop have 8G
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10:05<iamaguest>for a server you can do magic with 512M
10:05<iamaguest>i blame the graphics of course
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10:08<iamaguest>iam leaving
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10:46<Tury>hi guys. could someone help me? i need to place my home dir on a other partition. and im a beginner on linux
10:47<Tury>first step is to create a new partition in ext4 right
10:47<chris_se>yes, if you want to use ext4 as filesystem
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10:49<Tury>i just want to outsource my home dir to another hdd. because i installed a beginner friendly whole linux on my 128GB PCIeSSD
10:50<Tury>and steam with games take too much space
10:50<chris_se>note that this is a support channel for debian, not whole linux
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10:50<Tury>im on debian
10:51<chris_se>ah, ok
10:51<chris_se>well, then create a partition on the additional hard disk
10:52<chris_se>as you said so yourself...
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10:52<Tury>with gparted
10:52<chris_se>and it has a filesystem on it?
10:53<chris_se>ok, that will work
10:53<chris_se>now you need to mount it at some point, I suggest creating a directory /newhome and mount it there
10:53<chris_se>(as root): mkdir /newhome && mount /dev/newpartitionname /newhome
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10:59<Tury>and how i make the newhome into my default home dir
10:59<Tury>i have now home
10:59<Tury>with data and newhome without data
10:59<chris_se>well, you would keep home in the long run, newhome is just temporary
10:59<chris_se>did you mount it?
11:00<chris_se>try df -h /newhome to see if it works out space-wise
11:00<Tury>y it works.
11:00<chris_se>now you can copy all data from /home to /newhome - but you need to be careful to do so properly
11:01<chris_se>first of all: you shouldn't be logged in as a normal user that is on /home, otherwise this may go wrong
11:01<chris_se>so you should log out as a normal user and log in as root on a text console
11:01<Tury>ctrl + alt + f1-6 ?
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11:02<Tury>and then just copy the files. and renema newhome indo home
11:02<chris_se>but log out of graphical console first, because just pressing ctrl+alt+f1 will keep the graphical console (typically ctrl+alt+f7 or ctrl+alt+f8) open
11:02<chris_se>it's a bit more complicated
11:02<chris_se>first you copy the files, but copy them so that they preserve file permissions
11:02<Tury>could u give me a link with a fine tutorial
11:03<chris_se>so (as root, on a text console, nobody logged in) you do: rsync -avxHP /home/ /newhome/ (important: keep the slashes)
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11:03<chris_se>(so no /home or /newhome, it must be /home/ and /newhome/ in that command)
11:03<chris_se>then, once that's done, you can do: umount /newhome
11:04<chris_se>now you can rename /home to /oldhome and /newhome to /home
11:04<chris_se>and then do mount /dev/newpartitionname /home
11:04<chris_se>however, in order to make the change permanent, you still need to add an entry to /etc/fstab so that it gets mounted at boot
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11:05<chris_se>(/etc/fstab entry in your case could look like, without the quotes: "/dev/newpartitionname /home ext4 rw 0 2")
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11:06<chris_se>so to recap: log out as normal user, text console as root, do rsync, umount /newhome, rename stuff, mount /dev/newpartition /home, add fstab entry
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11:07<chris_se>and be very careful to follow this precisely and in the right order, because it's easy to screw up
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11:07<Tury>i print this and try it
11:07<Tury>thx u very much
11:07<chris_se>oh one more thing
11:08<chris_se>ah no
11:09<chris_se>if you wanted to do it the other way around there'd be a potential pitfall, but not in your case
11:09<chris_se>(just remember that rename is the mv command on the command line, and you need to know how to use a text-mode editor to edit /etc/fstab)
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11:31<Denisetoo>how do i reset my root password
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11:32<s4br3>My fstab has failed on my Jessie system twice the last four months. I never had that issue during the last ten years when I moved to Debian. Is this a trend or just bad luck?
11:33<chris_se>Denisetoo, you need to boot with a rescue or live system, then you can mount the root filesystem and modify the user database
11:33<chris_se>s4br3, what do you mean "failed"?
11:35<chris_se>Denisetoo, alternatively, there's
11:35<s4br3>The system wouldn't boot but stuopped complaining about /bin/plymouth. My solution was to # the other two hard drives
11:35<Denisetoo>thanks chris_se
11:36<chris_se>s4br3, the other two hard drives didn't mount anymore?
11:36<chris_se>also not manually?
11:36<Denisetoo>how do I Boot to the GRUB menu?
11:36<s4br3>Yes, they can be mounted
11:36<chris_se>Denisetoo, the operating system selection at the beginning is the grub menu
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11:37<chris_se>so you get this 5 second count down where you can select "Debian GNU/Linux" at boot - that's grub
11:37<chris_se>s4br3, so manually they mount, but automatically at boot they can't?
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11:37<s4br3>Exacly, and I han't changed anything in fstab for months
11:38<chris_se>Denisetoo, so keep the selection on "Debian GNU/Linux", press the "e" button (for edit) and navigate to the kernel line and follow the instructions
11:39<chris_se>s4br3, this is weird. because if you can mount it manually, /etc/fstab should also work...
11:39<chris_se>what does the non-functioning /etc/fstab entry look like?
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11:42<Denisetoo>I am in the GRUB menu, where is the "kernel line"?
11:42<chris_se>are you in the grub menu directly?
11:42<chris_se>so is "Debian GNU/Linux" highlighted?
11:42<chris_se>(not the "advanced" part)
11:43<Denisetoo>i'ts not highlighted, the top line states, 'GNU GRUB version...."
11:43<Denisetoo>cursor is on 'setparams
11:43<chris_se>I'm talking about something like this:
11:43<chris_se>ah, you're already in edit mode
11:44<Denisetoo>yes, i made it this far! thanks
11:44<chris_se>use the arrow keys on your keyboards to scroll down
11:44<chris_se>there should be a line starting with the word "kernel"
11:44<chris_se>ah no
11:44<chris_se>in grub2 that's "linux"
11:44<chris_se>not kernel
11:44<Denisetoo>where do i put tis line
11:44<chris_se>look for a line that looks like " linux /boot/vmlinuz.... " or so
11:45<Denisetoo>i see the linux line
11:45<chris_se>ok, go to that line
11:45<chris_se>press the "End" key on your keyboard to go to the end of the line
11:45<chris_se>add a space
11:45<chris_se>and then add the init=/bin/bash
11:45<Denisetoo>did that
11:45<chris_se>now ctrl+x
11:45<chris_se>(the instructions I gave you were for older grub versions, sorry)
11:46<chris_se>now you should get a root shell
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11:46<Denisetoo>i have the root shell
11:46<chris_se>there, do mount -n -o remount,rw /
11:46<chris_se>now: passwd
11:46<chris_se>(you can now set a new root password)
11:47<awar>hi all
11:47<chris_se>once your'e done with that: mount -n -o remount,ro /
11:47<chris_se>and after that: reboot -f
11:48<awar>i need to know how i can add the new path in the left side to windows
11:48<chris_se>(only use -f for reboot in situations where you know what you're doing, it's like cutting the power; in this case, since you did the remout,ro after changing the password, it is safe - which is not the case in general)
11:49<awar>chris_se, im happy. I have found a solution for optimus :D
11:49<chris_se>awar, grats. sorry I couldn't help you earlier, but I have never used that
11:49<Denisetoo>thanks chris_se, now i want to install g++, do you know the command for that?
11:49<chris_se>Denisetoo, first of all: did it work?
11:50<chris_se>good :)
11:50<chris_se>then: apt-get install g++
11:51<awar>chris_se, no warry, im happy qgually becouse for resolve im learned many things
11:51<Denisetoo>do i have to be in the root directory to install this? how do i get to the root directory?
11:51<chris_se>Denisetoo, no, you just need to be root user
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11:52<Denisetoo>i am getting permission denied
11:52<chris_se>just be root and type in that command, it should work on any debian system (and even most derivatives)
11:52<chris_se>are you root?
11:52<Denisetoo>no, it says i am not root
11:52<chris_se>well, then use: su -
11:52<chris_se>that will give you a root shell (with exit you can leave it)
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11:53<Denisetoo>i need to put the computer online to finish the install
11:54<Denisetoo>thank you so much chris
11:55<chris_se>no worries
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12:15<igor__>who *
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12:16<igor__>msg cmn
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12:37<rain1>igor__, what with?
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12:39<pjotter>I'm sure it's harmless but why is there a tty1 login prompt visible at startup? During startup, it pops up and quickly dissapears while the system is booting.
12:39<igor__>i dont know pjotter
12:39<igor__>sorry about that
12:39<chris_se>pjotter, because your system doesn't switch to graphical mode fast enough
12:40<chris_se>graphical mode in debian starts on vt7 (i.e. tty7), so once the display manager (gdm, kdm, lightdm, sddm, xdm, or whatever else you use) is started, it switches the vt
12:41<chris_se>but starting with jessie, since systemd is used, a lot more stuff is parallelized, so the login prompt on the regular console (tty1) is started at roughly the same time as the display manager - the latter just needs more time to actually start
12:41<chris_se>so until the display manager is far enough, since the login prompt is started on tty1, you will see the output generated by it
12:42<chris_se>if you install plymouth + some boot theme you will not see that message, but transition smoothly into the display manager
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12:42<pjotter>With a clean install, it didn;t show. It wasonly after I had configured my system and installed some more software on it that the prompt started to appear. I guess it has more to do now at bootup because of the extra software?
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12:42<chris_se>maybe. if it didn't show initially maybe the display manager was just fast enough and now it isn't
12:43<chris_se>you can install the following packages: plymouth plymouth-x11 plymouth-themes desktop-base
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12:43<chris_se>that will give you a graphical splash screen that is shown instead of the boot messages (you can press "escape" at boot to see the messages) and then you won't see the tty1 login prompt at boot (it will still be started though)
12:44<chris_se>or you can disable the tty1 login prompt (and use tty2-6 if you need one)
12:44<pjotter>chris_se: But I understand it's merely a cosmetical thing. Nothing out of the ordinary?
12:44<chris_se>no, it's perfectly fine
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12:45<pjotter>I see. Thanks for the info. Really appriciate it. I installed the packages you suggested. Now let's see what happens at startup. :)
12:45<chris_se>on slow hardware I also had the issue on previous debian versions, where the display manager was started _before_ the text login prompts, if that took really long, you might still see a text login prompt before the graphical login appeared a bit later
12:46<chris_se>pjotter, note you might want to do "update-initramfs -k all -u" and "update-grub" (without quotes) after installing plymouth
12:46<pjotter>got it
12:46<chris_se>(so you don't have to, but the changes I'm talking about might not take effect until you do)
12:47<pjotter>I'll try a reboot now. See what happens.
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12:53<chris_se>pjotter, and?
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12:56<pjotter>Hi chris_se. I installed the packages you gave and run the commands (as root) but there's no graphical splashscreen at startup? Am I missing something?
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12:57<chris_se>ah, sorry
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12:57<chris_se>you also need to edit /etc/default/grub and add "splash" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=
12:57<pjotter>Ah :D
12:58<chris_se>don't change _DEFAULT, just change GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX and add the word. make sure the value is in quotes
12:58<chris_se>e.g. GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="splash" or GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="somethingelse splash"
12:58<chris_se>and re-run update-grub
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12:59<pjotter>Got it
12:59<chris_se>well, try again :)
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12:59<pjotter>Let's try again. brb
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13:02<pjotter>chris_se: Haha.. now I've got the graphical splash screen (three little white cubes) at startup. But after that.... the tty1 login pops up again.
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13:03<chris_se>could you paste the contents of /etc/plymouth/plymouthd.conf
13:03<giuseppe>ciao a tutti
13:03<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:05<pjotter>chris_se: There is so little in it, I can give it right here: # Administrator customizations go in this file #[Daemon] #Theme=text #ShowDelay=0
13:05<chris_se>ah ok
13:05<chris_se>unkomment [Daemon]
13:05<chris_se>and add: Theme=lines
13:05<chris_se>re-run update-initramfs -k all -u
13:05<chris_se>and try again
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13:06<chris_se>(sorry, I did that immediately after installing my current debian system quite a while back, I think when Jessie was not officially released yet, so I forgot that I had to edit a couple of things manually)
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13:07<pjotter>chris_se: np. I forget stuff all the time :)
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13:07<pjotter>Ok, here goes... brb
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13:11<pjotter>chris_se: Whoops.... Ok now I've got the nice 'lines' splashscreen. But it still makes way for the tty1 login prompt :S
13:11<chris_se>ok, then for some reason it doesn't do the transition to X11 properly... no idea, sorry
13:12<chris_se>but it's just cosmetics, so I would ignore it
13:12<chris_se>(or, alternatively, my PC is just so fast that it never happened to me that I saw tty1, but it actually does show that on slower machines or machines with more stuff installed on)
13:13<pjotter>chris_se: It's ok :) It's good to know how to set that splashscreen though. Maybe I'll ook into it at a later time. It's not that important really. But thanks for the help!
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14:18<helioscat>hello why libgee2 is in jessy and wheezy repos but not in sid?
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14:19<judd>Bug in (closed): «RM: libgee -- ROM; dead upstream, deprecated, replaced by libgee-0.8»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-05-21; last modified: 2015-10-22.
14:20<helioscat>thank you
14:22<jrtc27>you can find this out yourself by searching for libgee2 on packages.d.o, selecting the one in jessie, clicking Developer Information (PTS) on the right and looking at news
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14:23<helioscat>thank you Ive been search for it for birdie twitter client, ok. But found that birdie not better than corebird which installs without problems
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15:11<Denise>what is the best editor to write a cpp program ?
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15:17<Denise>i think it's emac, not vi like it was back in the 80's
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15:22<helioscat> may be
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15:24<shawn>Denise: vim is pretty good for cpp with youcompleteme
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15:25<shawn>Denise: also look at Qt Creator
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15:39<Denise>thanks shawn, how do i install vim?
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15:40<Denise>let me google, youcompleteme
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15:40<shawn>also, google vundle
15:40<shawn>you install vim from apt-get, (apt-get install vim)
15:40<shawn>all the plugins come from git-hib through vundle
15:41<shawn>youcompleteme has a component that needs to be compiled before it will work
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15:43<Denise>ok, i am installing recommended updates
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15:45<shawn>start with vundle readme/documentation, and then move onto YCM readme/documentation
15:45<shawn>it's pretty easy to setup actually, but it might seem overwhelming the first time because you are not familiar
15:46<Denise>okay thanks shawn!
15:46<Denise>i will do that after it installs the 204 updates
15:46<Denise>i trust debian, not microsoft automatic updates
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15:49<nicholas>Hello all
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16:41<xandy>trying out MX in virtual machine
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16:43<xandy>can i install skype, how ?
16:43<dpkg>Skype is a proprietary cross-platform <VoIP> service and application owned by Microsoft. Debian cannot distribute the application due to its license. See and ask me about <skype amd64> for community-contributed information. Consider using free and secure alternatives: <ekiga>, <empathy>, <jitsi>, <linphone>.
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16:44<xandy>do any of those work with webcam ?
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16:45<OdyX>WebRTC should.
16:45<xandy>can we buy out gates?
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16:46<xandy>what tools i use to get WebRTC ?
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16:52<Visitor223344>Evening all - I have a simple question about verifying a deb net-install cd against a sha256 checksum... can anyone help?
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16:53<Visitor223344>Can't for the life of me find a checksum to verify it against.
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16:56<chris_se>there are SHA256SUMS and SHA256SUMS.sign files
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16:56<chris_se>SHA256SUMS are the checksums themselves (for all images, but you can also check individual files if you ignore the errors about "file not found")
16:56<Visitor223344>On the download site?
16:56<chris_se>and SHA256SUMS.sign is the GPG singature for the SHA256SUMS file
16:56<Visitor223344>Because that was *exactly* what I was looking for
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16:58<chris_se>Visitor223344, it's linked from the debian website: -> "Getting Debian" / "CD/USB ISO Images": -> "Download CD/DVD images using HTTP/FTP" -> "CD" / "amd64"
16:58<chris_se>which is what I linked
16:58<Visitor223344>Ok, and sorry for asking an obvious question newb question here --- but, I was sort of expecting to be able to tight click the download, generate the checksum and be able to check it against a published checksum
16:59<Visitor223344>*without* installing the gpg key
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16:59<chris_se>so what you should do is the following: download the SHA256SUMS, SHA256SUMS.sign and the image file you want to the same directory
16:59<chris_se>then you can check the SHA256 sum with sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS
16:59<Visitor223344>(wnaders off to check the 'getting debian' download link
17:00<M-dog>someone say a topic
17:00<chris_se>(look for the line with the image you downloaded, because the rest are going to give errors "not found" which is fine - but the image you downloaded should give OK)
17:00<M-dog>i will
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17:01<chris_se>Visitor223344, then you can still verify the GPG signature of the SHA256SUMS file - but you need to have the public GPG key in your keyring to do so
17:01<chris_se>(well, technically you need to have it in _any_ keyring on your system, you can pass --keyring)
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17:03<Visitor223344>chris_se, I am used to having a published .iso together with a checksum (md5, sha, whatever) published alongside the download. It seems I am missing something obvious here but all I want to do is check that the download is (a) Original and (b) is good
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17:04<chris_se>so if you're already on _another_ debian system, you can just install debian-keyring package and do gpg2 --no-default-keyring --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign
17:04<chris_se>Visitor223344, well, you can look up the checksums manually by opening the SHA256SUMS files there
17:04<chris_se>there are also SHA512, SHA1 and MD5 (SHA1 and MD5 not recommended btw.)
17:04<Visitor223344>Correct me if I am wrong here but... all that installing the keyring will do is verify that the download came from where it says it came from, correct?
17:05<chris_se>so you have two things:
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17:05<chris_se>if you compare the download against a checksum, you guard against accidental errors on download
17:05<chris_se>_unless_ that checksum is also protected with a digital signature
17:05<chris_se>in the case of debian, the checksum files are also signed (detached signatures, .sign files)
17:06*Visitor223344 heads off to check the cdimage link
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17:06<chris_se>so if you _only_ check against the SHA256SUMS file that is next to the download (which you can do), then you can trust that the person who generated the SHA256SUMS file says the image is correct
17:06<Visitor223344>(One moment please, think that may be what I was looking for)
17:07<chris_se>however, to trust that the person who created the SHA256SUMS file is actually Debian (and not somebody else), you can use GPG to verify that - assuming you have a way to know for sure what the real public key of Debian is
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17:08<chris_se>if you're already running a Debian system, that's easy, because you can install the "debian-keyring" package, which contains the proper public keys used
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17:08<chris_se>if you're not running a Debian system, it's harder, and you can determine for yourself if you want to follow a certain level of paranoia or not
17:08<M-dog>i hate you:)
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17:12<Visitor223344>chris_se, the link provided was exactly what I was looking for - checksums for various images. Thank you. A shame there is no reference to cdimage directory in help, downloads or faq..... but problem solved, thanks.
17:12<chris_se>I pointed you to the path to getting there
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17:12<chris_se><chris_se> Visitor223344, it's linked from the debian website: -> "Getting Debian" / "CD/USB ISO Images": -> "Download CD/DVD images using HTTP/FTP" -> "CD" / "amd64"
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17:14<Visitor223344>ERRR NO IT IS NOT. I suggest you try it sometime rather than just saying 'it is so'. None the less, thanks for your help and have a pleasant evening.
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17:16<chris_se>I generated that list of what is linked just now by going through the website
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17:17<Visitor223344>'If you say so'.
17:17<Visitor223344>But thanks
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17:17<chris_se>do I have to provide screenshots?
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17:18<Visitor223344>you solved the problem asked so perhaps more important would be - 'do I have to provide mine?'
17:19<chris_se>I just don't like the attitude you displayed right now - shouting "IT IS NOT" and the sarcastic "if you say so"
17:19<Visitor223344>If I missed it - then hands up, but damn I looked and re-looked and still can't see the links you say you can see.... Though that is with I.E and FF
17:19<chris_se>I took a minute of time of going through the website to show you how to get to the right page, and you immediately dismiss it
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17:25<chris_se>Visitor223344, there - the first is - I circled the links
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17:26<Visitor223344>ty, wil take a look. BRB
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17:27<Visitor223344>Ok, not flogging a dead horse here but..... the link to the checksum is where?
17:28<chris_se>if you click on the last circled link you get to:
17:28<chris_se>in that page, there's a heading "How can I verify my download is correct and exactly what has been created by Debian?"
17:28<chris_se>and below that is the list of files, including the SHA256SUMS file
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17:29<Visitor223344>Ah no, no I don't.... I get a 'save file as' dialog pop-up.
17:29<chris_se>also, on you can see at the very bottom of the screenshot the link to "verify they are authentic"
17:29<mtn>Visitor223344: clicking on the link he just sent you gives me what he is saying it will give you
17:30<chris_se>are you sure you clicked the same links as I did?
17:30<chris_se>if you click on the "download netinst box" you see in the top right corner of the first screenshot, that's different
17:31<chris_se>also, this isn't the first time I've downloaded a debian image, and I'm pretty sure the link structure on the website hasn't changed much for a while
17:31<Visitor223344>The screenshots agree with what I see / saw.... however, all that happens when I click is a 'file save as'
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17:31<Visitor223344>No directory listing. Just a 'save as'
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17:32<chris_se>are you sure you didn't click on "network install" instead?
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17:32<Visitor223344>Uhmmm, scrolls back.......
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17:32<chris_se>because if I click on "network install" (the link above "CD/USB ISO images") on the main debian page, I am sent to
17:33<Visitor223344><Visitor223344> Evening all - I have a simple question about verifying a deb net-install cd against a sha256 checksum... can anyone help?
17:33<chris_se>and if I click on amd64 _there_, I get a download
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17:34<chris_se>yes, and I didn't criticize you for not finding it in the first place, but AFTER I posted <chris_se> Visitor223344, it's linked from the debian website: -> "Getting Debian" / "CD/USB ISO Images": -> "Download CD/DVD images using HTTP/FTP" -> "CD" / "amd64" now 3 times (2 times in text form, 1 time a
17:34<chris_se>s screenshots) you still told me that you didn't see it
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17:34<Visitor223344>Look, you solved it so thanks.
17:35<Visitor223344>This is sort of getting blown up a bit too much.
17:35<Visitor223344>Thanks, it is sorted.
17:36<chris_se>please don't shout randomly at people in chats that are trying to help you and read what was said more carefully and we're all going to get along much better
17:36*Visitor223344 GRITS TEETH
17:36<chris_se>so yeah, no hard feelings
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17:36<Visitor223344>Have a nice day
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18:11<PhilGEE>heya rich
18:11<PhilGEE>heya rich
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18:14<helioscat>Hello Good time! Help, How I can get flatbuffers library in Debian for example in Gentoo:
18:16<helioscat>This need to compile some app...
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18:20<chris_se>helioscat, you can compile it manually
18:21<chris_se>if you follow the homepage link, you'll go to
18:21<chris_se>there's a link to "how to build the compiler"
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18:22<chris_se>cmake is available for debian
18:25<helioscat>ok wiil try this way. Thank you for answer
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19:58<xplat>hi i'm trying to install some 64-bit dev tools on a 32-bit jessie system with a 64-bit kernel, but the dependencies are causing huge problems, like asking for :amd64 versions of _all packages
19:58<xplat>is there some way to get these things to install correctly?
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20:16<exoplanet>Hi i have a smbclient process that is spawned by another process. and it uses 100% of the cpu it can get. (1 core) How can i debug what the process is doing without starting it myself?
20:16<exoplanet>This command starts it "sh -c /usr/bin/smbclient --authentication-file=/proc/self/fd/3 //"
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20:41<hyperactive>deb you here?
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20:48<hyperactive>someone help
20:49<hyperactive>i installed kali linux and in the login screen its freeze
20:49<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
20:50<hyperactive_>you can help me?
20:50<sney>kali is not supported in #debian.
20:50<sney>go to #kali-linux on freenode.
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22:05<ryouma>what's the latest in unpacking .rar files? some .rar files cannot be extracted with unrar-free/nonfree, unar, or bsdtar
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22:40<sney>ryouma: p7zip-rar maybe?
22:41<ryouma>will try
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22:41<ryouma>there's also 7z sometimes recommended. but it's possible nothing works here?
22:43<cybersphinx>ryouma: You probably need rar version 5, afaik nothing except the unfree rar from their homepage works (it's in unstable, don't know if the package works on stable as well).
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22:47<sney>,checkbackport unrar
22:47<judd>Backporting package unrar in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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22:48<sney>backportable at least
22:48<sney>ryouma: p7zip is 7z
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23:02<Asperi>hi, i have laptop with 2 video cards, intel and radeon HD5650. Every boot system say "*ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree."
23:03<Asperi>if i install firmware-linux-nonfree then error gone, but after i login GNOME system just freeze every time
23:03<Asperi>ctrl+alt+f1 dont work, just hard reset
23:04<Asperi>how to fix that?
23:04<Asperi>debian 8.3
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23:10<sney>Asperi: if the system works other than an error at boot without firmware-linux-nonfree, I'd just remove it
23:10<sney>KMS isn't critical
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23:11<Asperi>but i need radeon video card )
23:11<Asperi>what is KMS?
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23:14<sney>kernel modesetting
23:14<sney>it's just a method for the system to autodetect your screen resolution basically
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23:16<sney>Asperi: remove firwmare-linux-nonfree, install mesa-utils, get into your X session and run 'glxinfo |grep vendor' and report what it says
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23:29<Asperi>how to instal KDE instead of my gnome?
23:32<dpkg>KDE software is based on the Qt toolkit. See for release news and other details. Ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde>. You can also get KDE-specific help in #debian-kde ( or in other KDE-related IRC channels: . Also check out .
23:32<somiaj>!install kde
23:32<dpkg>The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
23:32<somiaj>Asperi: install the kde-standard package. You can have both installed, or you can remove gnome once you get kde configured.
23:34<Asperi>and if i have kde and gnome - how i can choose between it?
23:34<Asperi>How i can turn KdE as my default DE?
23:35<somiaj>When you login via your display manager it should give you the option to select which to log into
23:36<somiaj>display managers will either rember your last option or have the ability to set the default
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23:38<Asperi>sudo apt-get install kde-standart ---dosnt work :(
23:38<somiaj>Asperi: did you spell it correctly?
23:38<Asperi>lol ty
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23:47<PiNewb>can someone point me to a website or similar to further configure Raspbain on Raspberry pi 3? I would like to install software but dont know which ones are useful. Anyone able to help me? I am a newb and really need some guidance
23:48<PiNewb>i hope i'm not in the wrong irc server or room
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23:56<PiNewb>ty awal
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