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00:43<Walter_White45>I need your help. I am new to Debian and just installed. Then I had to log in and I was in the terminal.
00:44<Walter_White45>1st problem: How to get to the Desktop? 2nd problem: How to get root permissions?
00:45<jmcnaught>Walter_White45: hello. is this the first boot after running the installer?
00:45<Walter_White45>Yes, it is.
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00:45<jmcnaught>did you select a desktop environment in the installer?
00:46<Walter_White45>It wasn't there:-)
00:46<jmcnaught>what wasn't there? the menu that lets you select a desktop environment?
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00:47<jmcnaught>which ISO did you download for the install?
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00:47<jmcnaught>oh, and to become root: "su -l" and then your root password
00:47<Walter_White45>The amd64 netinst ISO
00:48<Walter_White45>Okay, thanks.
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00:48<jmcnaught>Walter_White45: so you didn't get this screen?
00:49<jmcnaught>once you become root if you have a network connection you can run "tasksel" to use it
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00:51<Walter_White46>I can't open the site for some reason.
00:52<jmcnaught>which site? the link i provided above?
00:52<Walter_White46>Is it possible to get the Desktop environment afterwards?
00:53<jmcnaught>yes of course, "tasksel" is the same screen that is shown during the installer
00:53<Walter_White46>So the command is
00:53<Walter_White46>apt-get install tasksel
00:54<Walter_White46>Or just rasksel
00:54<jmcnaught>If you don't have tasksel installed you can install the package with apt-get. I'm curious what you did in the installer to *not* get that screen
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00:56<Walter_White46>I have to go to school now. So I'll try it out later
00:57<jmcnaught>Okay, have a good day. Perhaps it didn't show that menu in the installer if you didn't successfully configure a network
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00:58<Walter_White46>I had to go to another PC to put some missing files onto a USB stick.
00:59<Walter_White46>But I wasn't abled to put one file on it
00:59<Walter_White46>I think
01:00<jmcnaught>were you trying to connect over ethernet or wifi during the install?
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01:01<jmcnaught>most wifi also needs a firmware, but the installer would have been pretty clear about the lack of network
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01:03<Walter_White46>I was abled to connect with WiFi
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01:07<jmcnaught>Walter_White46: did you tell the installer to continue without a network mirror perhaps?
01:07<Walter_White46>Yes, because
01:08<Walter_White46>I selected a mirror and it told me that there is a problem.
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01:09<jmcnaught>well that explains it, the netinst needs a network mirror to install from. The software selection screen (aka tasksel) must have only shown the "standard system utilities" task. Did you try other mirrors?
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01:09<Walter_White46>Evertime the same.
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01:10<jmcnaught>Walter_White46: when you get back from school you can configure the wireless network over the command line (if it's not already connected) and the configure your sources.list, then you'll be able to install a desktop environment
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01:10<jmcnaught>also this would have been a pretty relevant detail to lead with, instead of it having to be dragged out of you :)
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01:11<Walter_White46>Okay, thanks :)
01:11<Walter_White46>See you
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01:50<Havelock>hello, since the last jessie update my winbindd ist broken: wbinfo -i failes. If i restart winbind everything works as expected. Any Ideas?
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01:55<gry>what error message are you getting?
01:55<somiaj>Havelock: how do you restart winbind? with systemctl? So it isn't loading correctly at boot?
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01:55<Havelock>I'm using sysvinit
01:56<Havelock>wbinfo says user not fount
01:58<somiaj>I didn't see any bugreports about this. Have you tried to google the error message?
01:58<Havelock>Yes, no success
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01:59<somiaj>But it works fine after a restart? It might just be trying to load to early in the boot sequence.
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02:00<Havelock>if i do /etc/init.d/winbind restart everything works again
02:01<Havelock>I moved winbind to a higher number in boot sequence in /etc/rc2.d but no success
02:01<somiaj>Havelock: it is probabaly loading to quickly during the boot, or maybe something it depends on is lagging more than in the past. I wonder what it is needing that it cannot find.
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02:02<somiaj>(during the boot)
02:02<Havelock>If worked for years before the last update ;-)
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02:03<somiaj>Havelock: you have the logs of what was upgraded in /var/log/apt. That could maybe help track down the culprit
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02:09<computer-user>Did I break it? I followed and did not back up /var/lib/dpkg/status and deleted everything in it! I misinterpreted "Remove everything up to the first blank line. Save." as remove everything in the file, not just the broken entry
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02:10<computer-user>now when I try to run dpkg or apt-get update, I get error messages
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02:11<computer-user>Is there a way to restore the /var/lib/dpkg/status file?
02:11<computer-user>or rather create a new one?
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02:12<somiaj>computer-user: -- seems to say you need to recover from a backup
02:13<somiaj>computer-user: you may have one in /var/backups/
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02:15<computer-user>somiaj oh my god somiaj you are THE MAN! that backupped file removed all the issues that made me even bork things up in the first place
02:15<computer-user>thank you so much! this helped me a lot! thank you
02:16<computer-user>not going to make the no-backup mistake again, hehe
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02:19<computer-user>yay everything back to normal
02:20<computer-user>cheers mate!
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02:23<somiaj>glad it worked, I just googled your question. (:
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02:25<Escargots>in Dash, when waiting for a child with "wait $pid" when te child receives either STOP or CONT the wait returns with 132, Bash doesn't do this, is this a bug?
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02:28<somiaj>Escargots: -- The title seems similar, I didn't actually read the bug
02:28<judd>Bug in dash (open): «dash: wait returns whenever a child process is stopped/continued»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-04-13; last modified: 2015-04-13.
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02:29<Escargots>somiaj, yes, I found three bug reports but none contianed an answer.
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02:31<somiaj>Escargots: Well at least you know it is a bug. Unsure on the solution if there isn't one in the reports. Might just have to work around it.
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02:31<somiaj>Escargots: what is this for and why coudln't you just use bash?
02:31<quandry>hello there!
02:31<quandry>Does Debian come with text size management?
02:32<quandry>I'm having issues on ubuntu even with the unity nonsense utility..
02:32<somiaj>quandry: what do you mean by text size management?
02:32<quandry>it seems to only resize title bars and not desktop icons.. I'm tired of their silly shenanigans and no-answer..
02:32<quandry>I can't seem to resize the font
02:32<quandry>In a nutshell anyway
02:32<quandry>So.. if I switch..
02:32<quandry>Will i have this option?
02:32<Escargots>somiaj, well I don't now if it's a bug, POSIX might allow it and leave this unspecified.
02:32<quandry>it's one of the many function on *shudder* apple and >.> windows..
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02:33<somiaj>quandry: It might depend on the desktop you choose to use and how it deals with scaling text. Sometimes you just have to configure multiple things (i.e. gtk2 vs gtk3 vs qt vs other types of apps)
02:33<Escargots>somiaj, and I can use bash fine I guess, but his code is written in the POSIX shell and I like to use Dash to test against bashisms and I noticed this quirk and got intrigued by it
02:33<Escargots>So I wondered if it was a bug or not.
02:33<somiaj>Escargots: so no one confirmed if it was a bug or not in that report?
02:34<quandry>See, now that's an answer!
02:34<quandry>Thanks somiaj..
02:34<Escargots>somiaj, no, it was just asked, no response tht I could ind
02:34<somiaj>Escargots: I don't know POSIX at all so I can't say if it is a POSTIX bug or not.
02:34<quandry>i had ubuntu back on 10.04 and apparently the community was better back then.. Perhaps I'll have a more meaningful experience with debian
02:35<quandry>with the community anyway.. there's always a solution.. but getting one from the Ubuntu community in their IRC is like pulling teeth! :(
02:35<somiaj>quandry: we try to be helpful here. Though I think a lot of the ubuntu comunity is on the forms compared to irc. I find a lot of stuff there when searching for debian topics.
02:35<quandry>I just wanna resize my darned text size ..
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02:36<somiaj>quandry: I would say just change the dpi, but most things fix the dpi at 96 these days and have you change a scale factor, which may only effect some apps.
02:36<somiaj>So the final answer may depend on what apps you liek to use.
02:36<quandry>Yes, but what utility would I use to do this?
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02:37<quandry>Being IT I check settings and documents for anything I use.. I can't seem to find one for what I'm trying to do.
02:37<quandry>This is incredibly frustrating
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02:37<somiaj>quandry: depends on the desktop. Gnome I belive has a standard 'text-scale' that will effect all gtk3 apps (and maybe gtk2 -- though you might have to install some compadability package too)
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02:38<somiaj>quandry: desktops are quite big things, but I don't use them so I can only say the basics, I'm unsure exactly which tools are best, I just know it may only effect certain widget sets.
02:38<quandry>The unity tweak tool only affected title bars.. I set the other 2 fonts to 72 and found no noticeable difference in any menu or location
02:39<quandry>=.= why oh why would they skimp on this detail..
02:39<quandry>Am I missing something?
02:39<somiaj>look for a gtk3 and gtk2 theme configure/swtiching tool. That may allow you to set the font sizes for that which will cover most apps in gnome
02:40<somiaj>You may want to try to search the ubuntu forms, this really isn't the place to get much support, and you may find that easier to find some info you need
02:41<quandry>I know that, and I've found zilch, hence my inquiry about whether or not Debian has built in accomodations for the GUI
02:41<quandry>Ubuntu seemed to have skipped on the accessibility aspects that are present in any respectable OS
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02:43<quandry>I mean.. these are basic utility functions right?
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02:44<quandry>After reading what you said about the Gtk, I'm curious about whether or not Debian lacks similar features?
02:44<quandry>That's why I'm here.. I'm scouting a new OS
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02:46<peter1138>gnome-tweak-tool. apparently font sizes are an advanced thing that regular users don't need and shouldn't want to change.
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02:47<quandry>Well, apparently I'm not a regular user.
02:49<quandry>The main reason I chose Linux years ago as one of my go to's was that I liked to program and I wasn't as limited as I was on Windows, nor did I have to pay a wad of cash.. Its the same for things around my house.. I didn't buy a training bench I built one..
02:49<quandry>Same with my desktops hardware :|
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02:49<quandry>All customized and suited to me
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02:51<vortek>i got a desktop with 64 gigs of hi profile ram and a extreme series intel hehe
02:51<vortek>and ssd's
02:51<vortek>thing boots in the blink of an eye
02:52<vortek>i built it myself also , like u quandry
02:52<quandry>:\ .. EVGA gold 850 psu, intel i7 4790k, nvidia 970, asrock mobo fractal full tower, 480 intel ssd, samsung 1tb 3d nand tech ssd,
02:53<quandry>1tb is for my windows 10.. 480 intel is for this os
02:53<quandry>quite frankly I'd like to kick both cannonical, and microsoft in the groin repeatedly right now..
02:53<vortek>i got the X series cpu
02:54<quandry>Can you help me diefi?
02:54<diefi>np I'm just too jealous
02:55<diefi>quandry: I can help hardly anyone
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02:56<quandry>I also got it all 50% off w/ employee discount :3 heee..
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02:57<quandry>doesn't do me much good with software so broken.. nothing new there though.. something is always broken.. usually i can FIX things though >.<
02:58<quandry>it was nice talkig to you vortek :(
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03:02<diefi>quandry: this channel is mainly for support, if you want to chatter there is and debian-offtopic channel to do so, while you wait for someone in here for a reply.The thing is, if your question is too far up, because of the chatter people will most likely overlook your problem.
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03:10<Escargots>somiaj, well, at the least the Dash manpage says 'Wait for the specified job to complete and return the exit status
03:10<Escargots> of the last process in the job. If the argument is omitted, wait
03:10<Escargots> for all jobs to complete and the return an exit status of zero.'
03:10<Escargots>That seems to be a bug then to me
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03:44<niskarta>I'm newbie
03:44<jelly>hi there.
03:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
03:46<niskarta>I cann't find browser or something, chrome
03:46<diefi>on debian the webbrowser is called iceweasel
03:47<niskarta>where I should find it?
03:47<niskarta>Ahh.. I know, thanks
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03:53<grove>niskarta: It sounds like you have found it, but in general that depends on what you have installed. In most cases (at least most among people new to Linux) there will be a menu, either at the top or the bottom, some user interfaces offers a bar of buttons on the left side of the screen - personally I have neither, to start iceweasel I have to type the command (or in dmenu, any unique part, I typically type "cew") - the point is don't assume other peoples ...
03:53<grove>... system looks like yours when asking a question
03:54<niskarta>yep.. thanks mate
03:54<niskarta>I'll find a way
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04:14<Walter_White45>What was the name for the Desktop environent?
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04:19<diefi>it depends, it can be kde or gnome
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04:19<diefi>or any other, but those two are the standard choices for debian
04:19<Walter_White45>Ah, okay
04:19<musca>there are are plenty of alternatives in debian.
04:19<Walter_White45>And how to access them?
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04:20<vortek_>i use cinnamon
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04:21<diefi>you mostly choose them during installation, I don't know how hard it is to change them afterwards
04:21<musca>the debian installer offers gnome, kde, xfce, lxde, mate and cinnamon
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04:21<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>.
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04:21<Walter_White45>I chose the netinst ISO
04:22<Walter_White45>And it told me that i couldn't use the mirrors
04:22<Walter_White45>So there was just the option "Standard system utililities"
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04:23<musca>some network drivers do require non-free firmware to connect to the net successfully.
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04:24<musca>especially the wireless drivers.
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04:25<musca>!firmware images
04:25<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from . See also <install guide>.
04:28<Walter_White45>I was abled to put Wireless Drivers onto a USB stick
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04:28<musca>Walter_White45: as soon as you have network connection you can use tasksel to install your desired options.
04:28<Walter_White45>But one was missing
04:28<Walter_White45>The rtl_nic/rtl-8160
04:28<Walter_White45>or so
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04:31<dpkg>r8169 is a Linux kernel driver supporting the Realtek RTL8101, RTL8111/8168 and RTL8169 families of gigabit Ethernet chips. See also <rtl8168d>, <rtl8105e>, <rtl8402>, <rtl8411>. Not to be confused with the out-of-tree <r8168> driver.
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04:31<Walter_White45>I don't really need Ethernet
04:32<TiTan>Good morning
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04:32<musca>usually you would need the non-free firmware-realtek package
04:33<TiTan>I have a small problem. I want to compile a program. So I have to run the "configure" file. But I get this message: configure: error: required ACE (5.7 or later) headers missing.
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04:33<TiTan>Where I get the ace package ? I don't find a good source
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04:36<Walter_White45>i don't know. I am new to LInux
04:36<musca>TiTan: you litterally are giving us exactly three letters to solve your problem.
04:37<musca>$ apt-cache search ace | wc -l
04:37<Walter_White45>Maybe this
04:38<musca>,v ace
04:38<judd>Package: ace on amd64 -- sid: 0.0.4+git20151129.47.899eede-2; stretch: 0.0.4+git20151129.47.899eede-2
04:38<musca>not in stable
04:38<duclicsic>he probably needs libace-dev
04:39<duclicsic>or maybe libace-6.2.8 which is in stable
04:39<duclicsic>TiTan: ^^
04:40<duclicsic>TiTan: is there not an INSTALL or README included in the source package with information on build dependencies?
04:40<musca>duclicsic: still just an educated guess
04:40<diefi>TiTan: what language is
04:40<TiTan>duclicsic: There is one, but there isn't a information about the dependencies
04:41<TiTan>I think libace isn't the same, because I have installed it already and it don't run
04:41<duclicsic>did you install the -dev package?
04:42<Walter_White45>Could I get a link for the realtek ethernet firmware package?
04:43<TiTan>* @ duclicsic
04:43<duclicsic>TiTan: try installing libace-dev then have another go
04:43<duclicsic>some details about what you're trying to build might be helpful
04:44<diefi>here are a few ace packages depending on what you are using them for
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04:46<TiTan>Thank you duclicsic with the -dev version does it run
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04:56<p0rk0ff>hi, which font do i need to show math symbols in pdf? special characters are shown as squares now
04:59<barteks2x>I'm not sure where should I ask about it, when I use mplayer to play some .mp3 files and use arrows to go forward/backward it sometimes stops working and spams "mpg123 decoding failed: No stream opened. (code 24)". Is it normal? If not, what may be wrong?
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05:04<Walter_White45>Thanks :)
05:04<Walter_White45>How to open a USb stick in the terminal?
05:04<Walter_White45>And choose the .deb file
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05:06<barteks2x>my problem seems to be fixed by adding --ac=mad option
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05:26<scootergrisen>I have installed Xcfe and then the program "Files" have been overtakes by another program called "Files" when i use GNOME to open places like Home and Downloads and Videos
05:26<scootergrisen>How can i switch to the old "Files"?
05:26<scootergrisen>The one that opens is called File Manager PCManFM and i dont want to use that
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05:53<computer-user>scootergrisen go to settings manager and select a different file browser in the "Preferred Applications" section
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06:02<p0rk0ff>it seems the symbols not rendered are long (multi-raw) brackets/braces... anyone knows which font to install to find those symbols?
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06:04<scootergrisen>Like here?
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06:07<scootergrisen>I dont have this System menu on the toppanel. How do i get it?
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06:08<Mitt>scootergrisen: if you use GNOME, it's gone. Forever.
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06:11<diefi>what filemanager is xcfe using? Something else than nautilus?
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06:11<scootergrisen>Oh noes... Ok so how do i change it?
06:12<Mitt>scootergrisen: if you need this System menu, you can install Mate
06:13<scootergrisen>I just want to change til Files program
06:13<Mitt>scootergrisen: or, as I did while using Xfce, you can create a custom application menu file and add to panel, I also did it with Places, not adding the Places plugin but creating a menu file
06:14<scootergrisen>Is it normal that installing other desktop managers or what ever they are called like Xfce will change things in GNOME?
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06:15<Mitt>they won't change things, just will add entries in Application overview
06:15<Mitt>but hey, if you need the look, you can install gnome-classic
06:16<Mitt>it's called gnome-session-flashback, scootergrisen
06:17<scootergrisen>Maybe i can just uninstall PCMan DM
06:17<scootergrisen>Maybe i can just uninstall PCMan FM
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06:32<joohoi>Hi, is there an resource I could consult in order to figure out how systemd file /etc/os-release ( is used, and is supposed to be used in Debian unstable / testing / stable?
06:32<joohoi>This is related to finding VERSION and VERSION_ID fields missing in Debian unstable
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06:35<Brigo>joohoi, man os-release
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06:37<joohoi>Brigo: yes, I do know how it's supposed to be used, but the question is more that how it's used in Debian. The link in the question effectively is the man page.
06:40<Mitt>joohoi: I suppose, it's used to generate grub entries, and maybe in getty logins
06:41<Brigo>joohoi, sorry i didn't undestand your question.
06:41<joohoi>Yeah, my intrest lies mostly in VERSION and VERSION_ID fields in os-release, while they are in place in stable, they seem to be missing in unstable. It might be a release thing, while unstable being rolling one.
06:42<joohoi>Brigo: y, sorry. I was perhaps too vague.
06:42<Brigo>joohoi, unstable is not a release.
06:42<Brigo>at all. neither testing (aca Stretch)
06:43<joohoi>yeah, however VERSION - field could hold the actual name
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06:44<joohoi>The actual context is that I'm rewriting let's encrypt client distro fingerprinting logic to use systemd os-release, because python is (rightfully) deprecating the os fingerprinting methods in stdlib
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06:45<joohoi>but maybe sid / stretch are special snowflakes in that matter, and I'll just have to parse the longer PRETTY_NAME field in os-release
06:45<Brigo>joohoi, maybe you can ask the maintainers of the pacakge base-files (whom os-release belongs).
06:46<joohoi>Brigo: ok, cool. Thanks! I'll fire up some emails.
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06:46<Brigo>joohoi, maybe they can modify that. You are welcome and good luck :)
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06:58<bittin_>apo: thanks for the info about Wheezy LTS :)
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07:41<TxGVNN>hi every one, how to download source of /sbin/agetty in Debian
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07:46<Stummi>TxGVNN, "dpkg -S /sbin/agetty" and "apt-get source" that package
07:46<Brigo>TxGVNN, that binnary is in the util-linux package. Download it with apt-get source utli-linux
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07:50<seq>hi, does iceweasel support oss4? youtube videos does not play sound, but i can play music in mpv.
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07:57<musca>hello Walter_White46
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07:58<Walter_White46>How do I connect to a network?
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08:02<vision>How's it going
08:02<babilen>Walter_White46: -- You are probably looking for in there
08:04<vision>does anyone in here use Kali
08:04<Mitt>seq: I believe you can somehow recompile iceweasel though. In BSDs it's played using gstreamer from repos.
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08:05<seq>hmm bsds
08:05<towo^work>vision, since this is a debian-channel, maybe, but kali is not supportet here
08:05<seq>thanks Mitt.
08:05<vision>alright thanks towo^work
08:06<vision>is there any server that supports it on this server
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08:27<Walter_White46>How to use a .deb file from an USB stick
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08:30<towo^work>install it?
08:30<towo^work>dpkg -i foo.deb
08:30*dpkg removes a speen from towo^work and replaces it with foo.deb
08:31<Walter_White46>How to do it?
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08:33<blast007>Walter_White46: read what towo^work said and you'll know
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08:35<Walter_White46>I did
08:35<Walter_White46>But what's foo.deb
08:35<Mitt>example name
08:36<Walter_White46>I just replaced it with the name of my file
08:36<Walter_White46>And it can't find it
08:36<duclicsic>use the full path to the file
08:36<duclicsic>or do it from within the directory the file is in
08:36<Walter_White46>What's the path from a USB stick
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08:38<duclicsic>Walter_White46: can you find the usb drive in your file manager?
08:38<Walter_White46>I don't know how to access it
08:38<Walter_White46>The file manager
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08:39<towo^work>it tells you the path
08:39<duclicsic>do you now have to start an application from the graphical menu system in your desktop environment?
08:39<towo^work>if the stik is not mounted, mount him
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08:40<Walter_White46>I need the .deb
08:40<duclicsic>Walter_White46: if it has mounted, it will probably be within the directory /media
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08:40<Walter_White46>For the Desktop environment
08:40<duclicsic>Walter_White46: open a terminal and do "cd /media"
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08:41<duclicsic>then do "ls" and hopefully you will see a directory named after your user account
08:41<duclicsic>again, change into that directory and run "ls"
08:42<duclicsic>hopefully it will show you a directory that corresponds to the mount point of your usb drive
08:43<Walter_White46>If I do ls
08:43<Walter_White46>It does nothing
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08:44<Walter_White46>Or should I reinstall Debian?
08:44<duclicsic>Walter_White46: if you run the command "mount" it will show all mounted drives along with their location in your directory tree
08:45<duclicsic>one of them should be your usb drive
08:45<Walter_White46>There isn't my USB drive
08:45<Walter_White46>Should I do a full reinstall?
08:46<Walter_White46>So not with netinst
08:46<duclicsic>Walter_White46: please put the output of "mount" into and link it here
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08:46<towo^work>and fdisk -l
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08:48<duclicsic>Walter_White46: and while you're at it, what exactly are you trying to install?
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08:49<Walter_White46>Ethernet drivers
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08:53<Walter_White45>Well, I have the drivers for my WiFi device installed
08:54<Walter_White45>And it got showed as wlan0
08:54<Walter_White45>But I don't know how to connect
08:55<duclicsic>someone linked you to a full article on making wifi work
08:55<duclicsic>have you followed those instructions?
08:55<towo^work>paste the output of fdisk -l
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09:38<olspookishmagus>why doesn't 'dpkg -l xfce*' return xfce4-goodies too?
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09:44<themill>olspookishmagus: making sure the shell doesn't interpret * can be important
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09:47<olspookishmagus>themill: ah, so dpkg -l "xfce4*" does the trick
09:47<olspookishmagus>or even better 'xfce4*'
09:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 780] by debhelper
09:48<themill>no difference between the two -- the main thing is to ensure that the shell doesn't expand the * before running dpkg-query
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09:58<nico>Hello, how to modify brightness on AntiX?
09:59<dpkg>antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. #mepis on See also <based on debian>.
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10:05<nico>Okay I see
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10:05<olspookishmagus>how do I handle this?
10:07<blast007>olspookishmagus: if you're running testing/unstable, support is in #debian-next
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10:08<olspookishmagus>ok blast007 thanks
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10:38<minikN>Hello. I'm running debian 8, and am currently setting up iptables to fit my needs. However I have a question about applying them. Would someone be able to help? Thanks!
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10:44<duclicsic>minikN: you had a question?
10:44<minikN>So I'm using a shell script to apply all my iptables rules ( Applying them seems to work fine. Notice in the script I flush all the rules before doing anything. After I applied them I then run "iptables -L" and "iptables-save > myfile" to check (See here: Two things I don't understand, in
10:44<minikN>the list output it says accept all anywhere (line 5) for input and the same for output (line 16). But my rules should say something different... ?
10:44<minikN>Sorry, took a while to type
10:45<duclicsic>the output from "iptables -L" is pretty worthless
10:45<duclicsic>you have to either include the -v option so it actually shows you interfaces
10:45<duclicsic>or better still, just show me the iptables-save output
10:46<duclicsic>line 5 is your rule to accept all traffic on the "lo" interface
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10:46<minikN>The iptables-save output is in the 2nd cpaste
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10:46<duclicsic>but because you didn't use -v on the command it doesn't show the interface
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10:47<minikN>You're right, I just used -v and now it shows the loopback interface.
10:47<duclicsic>you should avoid using scripts to apply iptables rules
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10:47<duclicsic>just save the rule set you want, and use iptables-restore
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10:48<minikN>That is actually what I'm going to do, I just use the script to apply them after a change, but afterwards I'd include them with restore indeed.
10:48<petn-randall>I'd go foward and start advertising shorewall, which is a framework to apply firewall changes in a safe manner.
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10:48<minikN>Can you tell me what the numbers here mean? :INPUT DROP [16:1136]
10:49<duclicsic>matched packets:matched octets
10:49<petn-randall>minikN: Many problems you're facing with plain iptables and scripts, will be solved by using shorewall.
10:49<duclicsic>debian actually includes a script for safely applying iptables rules
10:49<duclicsic>it prompts for confirmation that you can still reach the box
10:49<duclicsic>and restores the previous rules if you don't confirm
10:50<duclicsic>petn-randall: i really hate things like shorewall, i feel it's well worth learning to do it manually
10:50<minikN>Hm. The problem is I just got into iptables. Still pretty newbie at it, and this seemed natural for me as I've worked with sh script before, but looking into iptables-apply might be worth a shot.
10:50<duclicsic>you end up with much simpler rule sets
10:51<petn-randall>duclicsic: IMHO shorewall does it right: Has sane defaults, but lets you tinker with the low-level things if you really want to.
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10:52<duclicsic>minikN: looking at your rule set, do you really want to run a DROP policy on OUTPUT?
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10:53<duclicsic>if you do, you need a rule that permits packets with the conntrack state "NEW"
10:53<duclicsic>along with RELATED and ESTABLISHED
10:53<duclicsic>otherwise the host will never be able to make any outbound connections
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10:54<duclicsic>(i've never really found the need to police output traffic to that degree, though there are times when it might be called for)
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10:56<minikN>To be honest I don't really know what I'm doing. My general approach was to drop everything by default and then go from there allowing what I need. I thought it would work like this: a package comes in and matches any of the rules, it's then ESTABLISHED, therefore the server can answer because of line 19 of my script
10:56<duclicsic>yes, it will be able to respond to incoming packets
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10:56<duclicsic>but it won't be able to initiate a new connection
10:57<minikN>Question is if I'm going to need it? (Should be a web server eventually)
10:58<duclicsic>at some point this host is going to want to do a dns lookup, or download some updates
10:58<duclicsic>that means sending out a packet that starts a new connection
10:58<duclicsic>but you're not permitting those
10:59<duclicsic>i would advise just setting the policy on OUTPUT to ACCEPT, unless you have particular reason not to
11:00<duclicsic>if you'd prefer not to make sure you permit ctstate NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED
11:00<minikN>You make sense. Sounds resonable. I just I just went with this approach because I'm super paranoid about potential attacks.
11:00<petn-randall>minikN: I agree with duclicsic. Unless you're really paranoid and want to go through an extra effort to curate your outgoing connections, just blankly allow all.
11:00<petn-randall>minikN: Or at least allow DNS + HTTP for apt-get.
11:02<duclicsic>remember that OUTPUT only sees packets generated locally by the host, if there were 'attack' traffic traversing that chain you have other problems to worry about :)
11:03<minikN>What would be the difference between allowing all output and only with cstate NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED ?
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11:03<duclicsic>there isn't much of a difference functionally
11:03<duclicsic>you wouldn't be able to send out packets with ctstate INVALID for example
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11:04<duclicsic>these could be packets generated by some types of diagnostic tool
11:04<minikN>duclicsic: I've read about potential ping attacks that could loop a server sending ping-replies, guess that's what made me worry (but then again I allow all icmp :P)
11:04<duclicsic>hehe. those kinds of attacks are typically very very old and no longer apply
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11:04<duclicsic>you'd be quite fine as long as you allow NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED in OUTPUT
11:05<minikN>Alright, will change that.
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11:05<petn-randall>duclicsic: I've had machines were a successfull infection was suppressed because the machine couldn't do an outbound IRC connection. Just my 2ct.
11:06<petn-randall>duclicsic: Not that I'm saying it should be a 1st line of defense, but it can be a 2nd line.
11:06<minikN>I've also come to know that I can drop the INVALID line, because iptables would block packets anyway if they're invalid.. ?
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11:06<duclicsic>minikN: latest iptables-save output pls
11:07<duclicsic>if the policy is DROP, and you're only accepting RELATED,ESTABLISHED, any INVALID packets will indeed be dropped
11:07<duclicsic>unless they happen to match some other rule
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11:08<duclicsic>yeah line 8 is not needed
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11:08<duclicsic>it would technically accept an invalid packet if the destination port was 50100, but we're talking about someone sending you an ACK or something like that out of the blue, not exactly any real danger
11:09<peter1138>what's the point of having DROP on output and then allowing everything through?
11:09<duclicsic>peter1138: this is what we've just been discussing
11:09<duclicsic>technically that doesn't allow _everything_ through
11:09<duclicsic>just nearly everything
11:10<minikN>Well if you tell me I shouldn't be worried allowing everything on output, I'll do it. What do I know.
11:10<duclicsic>you're fine allowing everything on output :)
11:10<peter1138>well if you want to firewall output, you need to know what you want to allow/disallow
11:11<peter1138>i have some systems with genuine output firewalls
11:11<peter1138>even things like only allowing certain uids to do some things
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11:11<duclicsic>there are many reasons you might want to filter in OUTPUT, but in this case I think we're safe to ignore it
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11:13<minikN>Thanks, I'll change it.
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11:15<duclicsic>you don't need lines 10 and 100 any more
11:15<duclicsic>10 and 11
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11:15<minikN>oh yeah true, totally forgot about them
11:17<minikN>this then I guess
11:17<duclicsic>perfection ;)
11:18<minikN>Well it certainly does look lighter.
11:18<duclicsic>the fewer rules the better imo
11:19<minikN>But as you said before, I should now change my method of applying them.
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11:19<duclicsic>well if you have that output saved as a file, it's as simple as 'iptables-restore < filename'
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11:19<minikN>True, but I know I'll be adding more rules in the future, like http, mysql and so on.
11:19<duclicsic>or for extra safety, 'iptables-apply filename', but that's really only for when you're doing it interactively
11:20<duclicsic>minikN: when you add or remove rules, simple re-do the iptables-save
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11:21<minikN>but I should add/remove rules directly in the shell via iptables ... not thru my script?
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11:21<minikN>Understood, am I allowed to post external links in here?
11:21<duclicsic>look at the package 'iptables-persistent'. it will handle the loading of the rules at boot for you.
11:21<duclicsic>then when you add or remove rules interactively via the console, you can just do 'iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules.v4'
11:22<duclicsic>and you're done
11:22<duclicsic>that will now persist
11:22<minikN>Was just about to ask that, I found this online, was wondering if it's sufficient
11:22<duclicsic>that's the manual way, perfectly reasonable
11:22<duclicsic>i prefer the packaged approach nowadays
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11:23<duclicsic>doing it the way in that link would actually reapply them whenever any interface comes up, which might not be what you want if you have several interfaces, or you're using a vpn or something
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11:24<duclicsic>best of luck though, i'm off for the day.
11:24<minikN>Thank you for your help. Appreciated.
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12:06<minikN>Would anyone know why I can't cat something into a file although I use sudo?
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12:07<somiaj>minikN: reidirect won't use the same permisions as sudo
12:07<retrospectacus>sudo only applies to the cat command. > is still in your current user shell
12:08<somiaj>minikN: so sudo cat foo > blah, the > blah is run as your normal user
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12:08<somiaj>minikN: try cat foo | tee blah
12:08<somiaj>minikN: arg, sudo cat foo | tee blah
12:08<retrospectacus>sudo tee blah
12:08<somiaj>actually yea, cat foo | sudo tee blah
12:08<somiaj>retrospectacus: thansk
12:08<minikN>ehh.. could you write that out with my params? :D
12:09<retrospectacus>cat firewall.conf | sudo tee /etc/iptables/rules.v4
12:09<somiaj>minikN: cat filename | sudo tee file_to_write_to
12:10<minikN>It worked! But what is tee? Never heard of it :o
12:10<somiaj>minikN: man tee (it is basically takes input and splits it into stdout and to a file
12:10<minikN>ah nice
12:10<minikN>thank you guys.
12:11<retrospectacus>or sudo bash -c "cat firewall.conf > /etc/iptables/rules.v4"
12:11<retrospectacus>or sudo cp firewall.conf /etc/iptables/rules.v4
12:11<retrospectacus>or sudo -i
12:11<somiaj>retrospectacus: doesn't sudo have a flag to run in its own shell, so chaning bash is not needed
12:12<minikN>retrospectacus: true, I didn't think of a simple cp.
12:12<retrospectacus>I think so but I can't remember it :)
12:13<somiaj>minikN: the main point is sudo only effects the single process it runs, |, >, >> are from the shell and won't have root permisions so you need to do one of the many solutions we recomended.
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12:14<minikN>It's always appreciated to learn new things.
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12:15<minikN>Just a quick follow up this is my iptables-save output. As you can see I changed my ssh port. I know that fail2ban doesn't need a port to watch ssh, it uses the log files, however it still adds a rule with the old port, should I be worried?
12:17<somiaj>minikN: fail2ban uses iptables so it will block the port. I'm unsure if you should be or not, if the block happens before the redirect you should be fine, otherwise you may want to reconfigure fail2ban
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12:18<minikN>somiaj The Problem is you can't set a special port in fail2ban, at least I haven't found out how.
12:18<somiaj>I'm unsure, but I thought fail2ban was more configurable than that
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12:19<somiaj>minikN: note, people could avoid fail2ban by going to the new port directly, unless you have it set up so they have to go though port 22 and be redirected.
12:20<minikN>But how would the find the new port? Unless they scan all of them.
12:20<somiaj>I would look into configing fail2ban for ssh on a different port
12:20<somiaj>minikN: look at nmap
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12:20<user4>Hi everybody!!
12:21<minikN> oh look at that
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12:21<minikN>Thanks Google.
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12:22<user4>I needed to install netcfg package debian jessie, but I got only netcfg*.udeb files, and I don't know how to install it.
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12:32<Yst>Is there a way to forcibly paste from the clipboard into applications that try to disable the clipboard?
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12:34<minikN>Shift + Pos1 maybe?
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12:36<data_>Hey. Is there a simple way to remove Iceweasle from Debian and replace it with a extracted tar i got from the main Mozilla site of standard FireFox. Also whenever i mark IceWeasel for deletion in synaptic package manager, it states that cinnamon-desktop-environment & task-cinnamon-desktop will be removed which is the desktop environment i picked for my debian install. That seems like a strange thing to happen if you're removing a package t
12:36<data_>o a browser?
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12:39<dpkg>Is apt trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it causing the gnome meta-package to be uninstalled and then all its dependencies. Fix this by running "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage> (apt-get also has unmarkauto from squeeze onwards).
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12:39<retrospectacus>,v firefox
12:39<judd>Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 46.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 46.0-1
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12:40<data_>@dpkg, will do. Thank you.
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12:48<retrospectacus>data_: here is the correct way to install FF on jessie:
12:48<retrospectacus>that will get you the 46.0-1~bpo80+1 judd mentioned
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12:49<Yst>minikN: What is Pos1?
12:50<minikN>Yst look above the arrow keys, it's the one with insert on it
12:50<minikN>Despite that being a korean keyboard :D
12:51<musca>the key between Ins and Pgup
12:51<retrospectacus>Yst: there is also the X buffer: select text with the mouse to copy. Middle-click (mouse wheel or both mouse buttons at once) to paste (this is a separate buffer from normal copy/paste
12:51<minikN>No it's Ins, at least I meant Ins, not pos1, just realized that.
12:52<Yst>Oh, darn. I don't have those keys. Too bad.
12:52<Yst>Thank you anyway!
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12:53<data_>Retrospectacus: thank you. Checking it out now.
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12:53<Yst>retrospectacus: Yeah, I tried the two mouse buttons thing. The application blocks that as well.
12:54<minikN>Yst what kind of sick keyboard do you have? :P Maybe it's mapped somewhere else, should be there on any keyboard. Maybe you have a Fn modifier key or something like that?
12:54<retrospectacus>Yst what kind of sick application do you have? :P
12:54<Yst>minikN: It's a laptop keyboard, I'll see if I can find a picture.
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12:55<minikN>Yeah show me.
12:55<Yst>retrospectacus: The obnoxious application in question is Pinentry. Some other applications do it too, but Pinentry is the main one.
12:56<data_>Yst: so something they could be doing, is having a event called whenever text is changed, then compare the size. Granted this would be really inefficient code but it would work in nearly every case
12:56<data_>so if there are 2 or more characters added to the box, then they throw out the result.
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12:57<data_>About the only program that would work in that case, is something that auto types your clip board into the text field for you.
13:00<data_>Well this is silly. I'm running "sudo apt-get update" and i'm getting an error which state the following (Very condensed version) "You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
13:00<retrospectacus>data_: read the rest of the mozilla page, or ignore that warning
13:00<Yst>minikN: I can't find a clear photograph online and my own camera is very blurry. THis is the best that I can find: <>.
13:00<Yst>data_: Well that's aggravating.
13:01<retrospectacus>Yst: insert is right there by delete in the top right
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13:01<data_>I think i just added the deb to my source list before and missed it.
13:01<retrospectacus>behind "Adapter"
13:01<minikN>Yst ^
13:01<Yst>Oh, right, my bad. I forgot that we were looking for "insert", not a key actually labeled "Pos1".
13:01<data_>retrospetacus: Erm, insert is on the left hand side on my standard US keyboard.
13:02<data_>Insert, Home, PageUp
13:02<data_>delete, end, Page down
13:02<retrospectacus>keep up data_. I am not talking about your keyboard
13:02<data_>>_> kk
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13:09<Yst>[Shift] + [Insert] didn't work.
13:09<Yst>Maybe I need to find a way to get my pasting software to add one character at a time somehow.
13:10<data_>Okay well installed the package, installed the keyring, checked it, and did a get-apt update again... and everything is working perfectly. Thanks Retrospectacus
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13:11<retrospectacus>np :)
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13:14<data_>Now time to try to get this Logitech mouse to in a optimal way.
13:14<retrospectacus>Yst: it is worth knowing that copy/paste functionality must be explicitly programmed into every application. It doesn't automatically come for free (it can, depending on the implementation language/framework). I guess "Pinentry" didn't.
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13:15<Yst>retrospectacus: Oh, fun. So this isn't possible. Alright, thank you for the info, I'll quit trying to make this work.
13:15<retrospectacus>well, some kind of keyboard-emulating single key paster could work
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13:20<minikN>retrospectacus: Do you happen to know a thorough nginx guide?
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13:23<retrospectacus>nginx? I've used it a lot but no. I guess everything I've done is really simple
13:24<retrospectacus>surely they have one online. There's a channel on freenode too
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13:25<minikN>I guess it's quite simple yeah. I just have the hassle of wanting to understand a program as deeply as possible once I use it. Usually I just buy a complete book and read it.
13:25<minikN>(Maybe I should have done that with iptables)
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13:41<Walter_White45_>Okay guys. I need help with setting up WiFi.
13:41<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>.
13:41<Walter_White45_>!what's my wifi
13:42<retrospectacus>you can talk to the robot in private
13:42<Walter_White45_>The command aptitude isn't available
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13:43<retrospectacus>you can install it, or use apt-get
13:43<minikN>sudo apt-get install aptitude
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13:46<Walter_White45_>Package aptitude is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
13:46<Walter_White45_>E: Package 'aptitude' has no installation candidate
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13:47<retrospectacus>Walter_White45_: can you run "apt-cache policy" and show us the output using
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13:51<Walter_White45_>And if I do apt-get update it says: "Could not resolve ''"
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13:53<retrospectacus>Walter_White45_: show us the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* and the output of apt-get update (again using
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13:54<Walter_White45_>It's so hard to type all that stuff :D (the output)
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13:54<retrospectacus>copy and paste it
13:55<Walter_White45_>I don't have access to the internet on my PC
13:55<minikN>I think it's a different machine
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13:55<retrospectacus>well that's why you can't update or install things
13:55<Walter_White45_>Yes, it is
13:56<minikN>Can you do ping ?
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13:56<blast007>Walter_White45_: so why do you need aptitude?
13:56<Walter_White45_>If I do ping
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13:57<Walter_White45_>connect: Network is unreachable
13:57<minikN>press ctrl + c to stop it
13:57<Walter_White45_>To stop what_
13:57<minikN>the output of ping
13:57<Walter_White45_>It stopped with the 1st time
13:57<minikN>ah okay
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13:58<retrospectacus>Walter_White45_: plug into ethernet, complete wifi setup, ???, profit
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14:04<retrospectacus>this is not sufficient.
14:04<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Walter_White45_ about jessie sources.list
14:05<Walter_White45_>And in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d* is nothing
14:05<retrospectacus>you will probably also need contrib and non-free to get your wifi firmware. The wiki will tell you about that
14:06<Walter_White45_>As I installed Debian
14:06<Walter_White45_>It told me there were missing files (the WiFi drivers)
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14:06<Walter_White45_>I put them onto a USB stick and it installed the,
14:07<Walter_White45_>So should I edit the etc/apt/sources.list? With the things dpkg told me
14:08<retrospectacus>I guess that didn't work, though it is hard to tell so far. Yes edit sourceslist
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14:13<Walter_White45_>dpkg says I should run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list
14:13<dpkg>Walter_White45_: no idea
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14:14<Walter_White45_>But aptitude isn't available
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14:15<retrospectacus>use apt-get instead, like I said 30 minutes ago
14:17<Walter_White45_>Could not resolve ''
14:17<Walter_White45_>Could not resolve ''
14:17<Walter_White45_>Could not resolve ''
14:18<retrospectacus>are you plugged into ethernet??
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14:20<minikN>Walter_White45_: If you want to install drivers, or any package through apt-get or aptitude you first have to be connected to the internet. If you have troubles getting your wifi drivers to work you obviously cannot use your wifi to download them. As retrospectacus said, connect via a cable connection (ethernet).
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14:21<Walter_White45_>I am connected
14:21<Walter_White45_>But i think my ethernet drivers are missing. They are on a USB stick next to me.
14:21<minikN>type in sudo ifconfig -a and show output
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14:29<retrospectacus>it says your ethernet is not connected (physically), and your wifi is also ready but not set up
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14:30<retrospectacus>proceed to "wifi/howtouse"
14:30<retrospectacus>you dont' have a desktop environment?
14:30<minikN>retrospectacus: Where do you see that is eth0 is physically disconnected?
14:31<retrospectacus>minikN: it says "BROADCAST MULTICAST" but does not say "UP" or "RUNNING"
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14:31<minikN>maybe an sudo inconfig eth0 up would do the trick
14:32<Walter_White45_>inconfig eth0 up
14:32<Walter_White45_>Let me try
14:32<minikN>but with sudo
14:32<Walter_White45_>It says sudo isn't found
14:32<retrospectacus>it is "ifconfig eth0 up"
14:32<Walter_White45_>I am su
14:32<retrospectacus>you're already root
14:33<minikN>Ah okay.
14:33<retrospectacus>"dhclient eth0" might work better if that doesn't (if you don't have eth0 set up in interfaces)
14:34<Walter_White45_>Found the error
14:34<Walter_White45_>I need to install the firmware for ethernet
14:34<Walter_White45_>The problem is, I don't know how to open the .deb file from the USB stick
14:35<retrospectacus>dpkg -i whatever.deb
14:35*dpkg installs whatever.deb into retrospectacus's head with a bone saw and a few screws
14:35<Walter_White45_>I know
14:35*retrospectacus reboots dpkg
14:36<retrospectacus>you just said you don't know. Which is it?
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14:39<musca>oh, mounting a device in the installer?
14:41<Walter_White45_>I plug in the USB stick and it's showing it to me
14:41<musca>you have several virtual consoles and you can switch between them with alt-cursorright/left
14:41<Walter_White45_>left click?
14:41<musca>oh you are using the live-media?
14:42<musca>your USB-device gets mounted under /media/someusername/somelabel
14:43<retrospectacus>Walter_White45_: you're still in the installer? You never mentioned that
14:43<Walter_White45_>I'm not
14:43<musca>peww :)
14:43<Walter_White45_>I finally installed this morning
14:43<KaiserAres>well done walter :)
14:43<musca>yay, congrats Walter :)
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14:44<retrospectacus>what is the problem with the firmware deb, walter
14:44<KaiserAres>sorry no, well done on getting it installed eventually
14:44<Walter_White45_>Okay, so.
14:45<Walter_White45_>Yesterday I clicked on No as the installer asked me if I have got a USB stick with the firmware on it
14:45<Walter_White45_>So I put it today onto the USb stick
14:45<Walter_White45_>But how to go to the USb stick?
14:47<retrospectacus>Walter_White45_: plug it in and run "dmesg|tail" and look for e.g. "sdb" or "sdc1" or something like that. Then "mount /dev/sdb /mnt" then cd /mnt and it'll be there
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14:49<Walter_White45_>Okay, wait please
14:51<Walter_White45_>mount /dev/sdb /mnt
14:51<Walter_White45_>mount /dev/sdb/mnt
14:51<minikN>with the space
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14:52<minikN>but "sdb" has to be your device, could be something else
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14:53<Walter_White45_>i know, but in my case it's sdb
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14:57<Walter_White45_>OKay, so
14:58<Walter_White45_>If I do ifconfig eth0 up, it don't shows an error anymore :)
14:58<Walter_White45_>I think that's good
14:58<minikN>try ping
14:59<Walter_White45_>connect: Network is unreachable
14:59<minikN>show output of ifconfig again
15:01<Walter_White45_>At apt-get update is another error now
15:01<minikN>if the ping isn't working you don't have to bother trying anything else
15:01<retrospectacus>dhclient eth0
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15:02<Walter_White45_>It has a little delay
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15:02<Walter_White45_>But shows no error
15:02<Walter_White45_>Just repeats the root@WalterWhite45
15:02<musca>no output - no error
15:02<retrospectacus>now try the ping
15:04<Walter_White45_>It's working now :)
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15:14<Walter_White45_>Now I should set up WiFi I think
15:15<KaiserAres>just missing hte wifi firmware right?
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15:16<Walter_White45_>Yesterday om tje omteraööer
15:16<Walter_White45_>Yesterday in the installer it told me there were missing files
15:16<Walter_White45_>And I put them onto the USB stick
15:16<Walter_White45_>And it was working
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15:20<Walter_White45_>*afk* Going to eat "Weisswurst" now
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15:47<ratagin>I was looking for help with Knoppix
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15:47<ratagin>I created a USB with encrypted overlay
15:47<ratagin>NOt working as I expected.
15:48<ratagin> I was expectiong to be asked a passphrase
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15:48<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. unofficial: <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
15:48<ratagin>and, either way, have it save my home files and printer setup and Firefox config...
15:49<ratagin>but, it was (sort of) suggsted by the Knoppix pre-configed XChat
15:49<ratagin>and, I don't see a Knoppix channel
15:49<ratagin>ok... moving along...
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15:55<Parrhesiastes>how do i add jessie source in sources.list so i can do: 'sudo apt-get -t=jessie install saneutils' ?
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16:00<skymasterpt>hi all
16:01<Parrhesiastes>hi master
16:01<skymasterpt>is there anyone that could share a good online website that teaches linux for newbies ??
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16:02<skymasterpt>that would be good for debian 8
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16:03<Parrhesiastes>nerver looked for anything like that :]
16:04<skymasterpt>well how did you learn then ?
16:04<skymasterpt>which file should i edit to edit my own commands ?
16:05<koollman>I woke up and bam, I knew linux. the usual way
16:05<skymasterpt>i forgot the name :(
16:05<Parrhesiastes>ive been at it for 20 years
16:05<skymasterpt>can you share your bed then, so i can go to sleep and when i wake up i know linux too :D
16:06<Parrhesiastes>you can make your own scripts... just edit a file and do 'chmod +x file' and its executable
16:06<Parrhesiastes>then put it in PATH, so you can start it from wherever
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16:07<skymasterpt>i'm a complete newbie
16:07<skymasterpt>although i understood what you mean and said
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16:07<skymasterpt>that PATH i didn't :(
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16:08<koollman>skymasterpt: I read a lot of documentations. A lot
16:08<koollman>and practiced, too
16:08<skymasterpt>well and where are those good documentation ?
16:08<skymasterpt>because i dunno what to filter yet, what is good and bad...
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16:10<koollman>most things on are pretty good. some are old, but the basic knowledge is still useful
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16:11<skymasterpt> ty :)
16:12<koollman>man pages are valuable, once you start to have a general idea of what you want to do
16:12<koollman>and /usr/share/doc contains a lot of stuff :)
16:12<skymasterpt>well now i want to write my first script
16:12<skymasterpt>so i can make my own commands
16:12<skymasterpt>instead of writing always ls -la i just could use ls
16:13<skymasterpt>and would always show that
16:13<Parrhesiastes>oh, then you can use 'alias'
16:13<skymasterpt>and then i could add other commands after
16:13<koollman>right. typically done with alias
16:13<Parrhesiastes>alias ls='ls -la'
16:14<skymasterpt>but all that is used in a new blank file that i then make that one executable ?
16:14<koollman>and in your ~/.bashrc file
16:14<skymasterpt>ahhhh that is the file i was looking for :D
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16:14<skymasterpt>lpalgarvio, BOAS NOITES :)
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16:15<skymasterpt>but where is that file koollman
16:15<skymasterpt>is in the home ?
16:15<koollman>yes. ~ is your home
16:15<koollman>try it: echo ~
16:15<skymasterpt>should i just do vi ~/.bashrc ??
16:17<koollman>skymasterpt: (init files), (tilde expansion) and (aliases) ;)
16:17<skymasterpt>ohhh ty :)
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16:18<skymasterpt>i think i did something wrong now :P
16:18<skymasterpt>nothing like experimentation D
16:18<koollman>this happens a lot, and is a good way to learn ;)
16:19<skymasterpt>i did - vi .bashrc
16:19<koollman>(also, make sure you have backups of your important data. some lessons are a bit more painful)
16:20<skymasterpt>and it created a new file but it shows nothing besides ~
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16:20<skymasterpt>now i'm trying to exit and i can't :(
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16:21<koollman>skymasterpt: 'esc' (the escape key) ':' 'x' 'enter'
16:21<skymasterpt>wasn't working :S
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16:22<Guest2276>it was a lie
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16:23<skymasterpt>i need to start cleaning my linux bookmarks
16:23-!-live [] has quit []
16:23<skymasterpt>ok lets try again
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16:24<Guest2276>in an irc chaqnnel is almost a joke
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16:28<skymasterpt>koollman: i think most of my bookmarks are so old that even the websites are now used by other companies LOL omg!!!
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16:30<Guest2276>hapy to deal with a mice?
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16:31<Guest2276>the big fish don appear
16:32<Guest2276>big fish dont show itself
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16:33<Guest2276>show again thye control
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16:35<Guest2276>i did it t y know
16:36<Guest2276>who i iam
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16:36<mowmowsushigon>mow says moo
16:37<mowmowsushigon> a
16:37<mowmowsushigon> b
16:37<Guest2276>try hardder
16:37<mowmowsushigon> I will tye abra
16:38<Guest2276>it is not a war
16:38<Guest2276>unless y want
16:39<mowmowsushigon>wait what?
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16:42<skymasterpt>musca, ty :)
16:42<lpalgarvio>boa noite @skymasterpt
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16:46<skymasterpt>lpalgarvio, ja nao sou o unico tuga por aqui :)
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16:50<skymasterpt>ok, now i think i've done some mistakes in the vi editing tool, how can i delete and delete also the new lines so it can be all organized?
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17:19<musca>skymasterpt: It will take you some minutes to work through "vimtutor"
17:19<musca>that time will be well spend
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17:22<skymasterpt>i'm doing trial and error :D
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17:22<skymasterpt>musca, this is learning at it's best source :) eheheh
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18:38<skymasterpt>is it possible to add two commands to one alias?
18:38<skymasterpt>if it is how can i do it?
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19:46<fiete>Hi I need to move a graphics file in a package i like to package from usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/foobar/img/ because lintian complains about it. The plan is to move it to /usr/share/foobar/img/ and create a symlink in usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/foobar/img/ so that the software can still find it. What ist the best practice to 1. create the directory /usr/share/foobar/img 2. move the image
19:46<fiete>and 3. create the symlink?
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20:08<mdlpe>Je ne retrouve pas dans le man de mkfs une option formatage rapide ?
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20:15<aeb>fiete: those packaging questions are better suited for #debian-devel
20:16<fiete>aeb: ah ok. thanks!
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20:22<smurf>e ai galera
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21:45<omixam>Hello, I'm getting No protocol specified when run alsactl init
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