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---Logopened Sun May 01 00:00:52 2016
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00:05<wolfy>hi all
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00:27<jpleau>Anyone else having issues updating mysql-server-5.5 on jessie? I get stuck at "Settings up mysql-server-5.5 (5.5.49-0+deb8u1)"
00:28<jpleau>stopping the service makes it work, but that shouldn't happen =/
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01:02<_44trent3>is there a way to get KDE plasma 5 on jessie?
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01:06<jmcnaught>_44trent3: no. Debian stable releases are essentially frozen, with no new versions. There are a few exceptions for security purposes like web browsers, or recently samba.
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01:06<jmcnaught>_44trent3: some newer versions are available through jessie-backports, but for something as big as KDE you'll need to wait for the next major release
01:08<_44trent3>plasma 4 is good enough i guess
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01:09<jmcnaught>this is a good thing, your computer keeps working the same way everyday and you don't spend time fixing things that broke because you wanted security updates
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01:09<_44trent3>you make a good point
01:09<_44trent3>testing certainly isnt as unstable as sid tho
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01:10<jmcnaught>when testing breaks it takes longer to get fixed because packages have to be in unstable for some time before they get migrated. this means testing is the last to get security fixes too
01:11<_44trent3>i wonder if a version of debian will ever be named
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01:11<retrospectacus>they are named after Toy Story characters. Is there a Stinky?
01:12<_44trent3>stinky pete the prospector
01:12<_44trent3>git gud at pixar
01:12<_44trent3>no but in all seriousness, that might not be the best name tbh
01:13<_44trent3>although...there is a version called wheezy so you never know
01:15<_44trent3>i can already imagine articles on linux going "Good news, Debian (insert number here) is released...
01:15<_44trent3>bad's named Stinky"
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01:17<_44trent3>the only name that would never happen, due to patents is barbie
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01:21<_44trent3>uhm, KDE is asking to pick either KDM or lightdm
01:21<_44trent3>which one should I pick
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01:26<_44trent3>i'll just stick with lightdm
01:27<_44trent3>maan, 2.07GB for the full install of KDE
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01:29<themill>Well, if you ask apt to install everything including the kitchen sink, then that will happen. You don't need to install the kde-full package.
01:31<_44trent3>you're probably right...
01:32<retrospectacus>!install kde
01:32<dpkg>The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the 'Software selection' dialog, choose "KDE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then "Continue".
01:32<themill>(we should make one for stretch too)
01:33<_44trent3>well, i can't stop it now
01:34<_44trent3>i have enough disk space that i'm not too concerned
01:34<retrospectacus>you can
01:34<_44trent3>when it's unpacking everything? it's like 40% in
01:35<retrospectacus>mmh. You can but probably shouldn't at that point
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01:50<sadiq``>too much (probably) automated spam posts at Hope someone will look into this
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02:55<retrospectacus>permission denied
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04:34<iobound>hi, i'm seeing security update announcements like DLA-448-1 subversion for wheezy, but those updates don't appear after doing an apt-get update or on are they being delayed?
04:35<iobound>I don't think I've seen any updates since wheezy went into LTS, and I think I have the right sources.list
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04:40<musca>!wheezy lts
04:40<dpkg>Security support Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. Similar to <squeeze-lts>, the amd64 and i386 archs will receive additional LTS support until 2018-05-31. See for excluded packages. No changes to sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts.
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04:41<iobound>yeah, so is it normal that "apt-cache policy subversion" shows ...+deb7u10 even after an apt-get update?
04:42<iobound>DLA-448-1 mentions subversion +deb7u11 but I can't see it?
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04:44<iobound>i'm just seeing +deb7u10 (but no +deb7u11) in both and
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04:45<iobound>same with mysql-5.5... only seeing 5.5.47-0+deb7u1 on the mirrors, while DLA-447-1 announced 5.5.49-0+deb7u1 yesterday
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04:46<iobound>usually security updates are available by the time the DSA announcement mail arrives, just wondering if DLA means more than 2 days of delay between mail and showing up in the apt repos?
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05:31<Parrhesiastes>debian doesnt use .config/locale.conf? is it possible to set locale for user or only global with /etc/default/locale ?
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05:52<benoit_>Hi everybody
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05:53<Parrhesiastes>hi you
05:53<benoit_>I'm new in this chat, how coul'd I get some tips about debian ?
05:54<Parrhesiastes>you could ask
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05:56<benoit_>I have an application I'd like to start when I double click on the incon on my desktop, but a winfow asking me if I want to start it thru a terminal command line or directly. How coul'd I avoid this window ?
05:57<Parrhesiastes>theres not even a checkbox for dont ask again? :S
05:57<Parrhesiastes>i dunno much about GUI stuff
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05:58<benoit_>thanks for your answer :=)
05:59<p0rk0ff>maybe right click + properties like the windows way, but idk much neither
05:59<Parrhesiastes>probably helps ppl here to know what windowmanager you have
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06:00<benoit_>the windowmanager is the debian version which run on raspberry pi
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06:00<Parrhesiastes>ah ... probably more than one that does, but i dunno
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06:04<benoit_>ping #ppl
06:05<p0rk0ff>usually they are .desktop files, you should be able to set how to start them
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06:06<benoit_>ok, I'll take a look on .desktop files, thanks !
06:06<p0rk0ff>but you didn't tell us neither the nature of the icon file, nor the window manager
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06:08<benoit_>I'm on a raspberry pi, the icon is the icon of the application in the desktop directory
06:09<benoit_>and since my application file is in the Desktop directory, it appears on the graphic desktop
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06:10<benoit_>Bonjour akefas :=)
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07:05<LordBrain>i am not sure how my system got so broken as there are a couple of recent events. but when i try to run sed or ls i get errors that they are unable to load a shared library, however they work fine if i am running as root
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07:06<LordBrain>i was working on my bashrc, and trying out some bash foo and so environment variables may be messed up, but i wasn't aware they would matter for this
07:06<LordBrain>sed: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
07:07<LordBrain>but ldd /bin/sed looks fine to me: => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ (0x00007f4e83195000)
07:07<LordBrain>anyone here to help me trouble shoot?
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07:10<Brigo>LordBrain, i think you delete or modify the library path
07:10<Brigo>on the user environment
07:11<LordBrain>whcih variable?
07:12<Brigo>not sure, searching.
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07:13<LordBrain>it is a little odd that anything other than the path would be messed up
07:13<spande>dmesg call trace, I get a warning on a bpo kernel --- is this this a Bad Thing? yikes is full ---> so,
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07:14<Brigo>LordBrain, google the error cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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07:15<spande>dmesg call trace, bpo kernel --- later on I get
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07:17<Brigo>spande, yes, it looks like you could have found a bug in the kernel.
07:17<Brigo>spande, is your system working fine?
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07:18<spande>I can't run fairy chess -- get some python barf
07:19<spande>system runs ok with other stuff. haven't tested much though.
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07:20<LordBrain>i copied my bashrc to a backup and just copied over another users
07:20<LordBrain>that fixed things
07:20<LordBrain>i don't understand how i could have broke them so bad
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07:21<LordBrain>oh i think i may have made a permanent change to IFS maybe
07:21<Brigo>spande, it looks like a problem in intel_pm.c (line 16) intel power manager?
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07:22<Brigo>LordBrain, it could perfectly be :)
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07:22<spande>I run fairymax and it is stuck
07:22<Walter_White45>How to get access to root?
07:22<Walter_White45>in the file manager
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07:23<spande>cannot ctrl-c out of it, have to kill -9 it
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07:24<Brigo>spande, it' related to your motherboard (line 17)
07:24<Walter_White45>He quit
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07:25<Walter_White45>Brigo, do you know how to get access to the root folder?
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07:26<Brigo>Walter_White45, i would launch the file manager as root from terminal
07:26<Brigo>with sudo
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07:29<spande>ah, I was lying. It wasn't fairymax that barfed, it was pychess. pychess works fine in standard kernel.
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07:36<spande>oh. pychess works in bpo kernel now. My wild-assed guess is some xserver accumulated glitches then. (I am clueless about dmesg call traces)
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08:13<barteks2x>Is there any way to update youtube-dl from repositoru on debian stable?
08:14<barteks2x>The version in stable repositories is from 2014 which is way too old to work
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08:18<zeta>barteks2x: you can get it from backports
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08:19<barteks2x>I already have backports
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08:20<zeta>then install youtube-dl from them?
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08:27<barteks2x>zeta, so I need to install specifically from backports, just apt-get install won't work?
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08:28<zeta>the link i posted explains how to do it :)
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09:09<bittin>Watching the Debconf talks and updating a box at work to jessie now :)
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09:10<lostson>sounds like a good job
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09:16<bittin>lostson: :)
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09:16<markybob>bittin, have you seen the secure boot one yet?
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09:17<bittin>markybob: nope just started to one the Innovations one now
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09:31<bittin> done and working :)
09:32<mandresy>Im a new "linuxien"
09:33<devoxel>mandresy: welcome!
09:33<mandresy>Thx... ur the "admin"?
09:33<devoxel>mandresy: not at all ^_^
09:33<devoxel>just a lurker
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09:34<mandresy>Ah ok :)
09:35<mandresy>Im searching for a irc channel for coc players
09:35<abrotman>This channel is for Debian support
09:35<abrotman>social things are in #debian-offtopic or #moocows
09:36<mandresy>ok thx... it's the first time i use IRC so... dont blame me lool
09:37<sney>and gamer channels are usually on the gamesurge network, right now you are on oftc
09:38<mandresy>ok thx sney ;) bye everyone
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09:54<bittin> yay :)
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10:14<bittin>markybob: watching that talk now :)
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10:27<tl>I'm having problems with OpenVPN on my debian client. I've installed resolveconf, im using "script-security 2", "up /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf" and "down /etc/openvpn/update-resolv-conf" in my .ovpn file. When I connect to the openvpn server i use "sudo openvpn --script-security 2 --config /etc/openvpn/client.conf". This guide has helped me alot . I connect to the OpenVPN server, connection works
10:27<tl>fine and I have internet. I've tested the connection for DNS leaks, and everything seems fine, however when I cat /etc/resolv.conf I can still see the local dns server and the DNS server which was pushed from the OpenVPN server. Is there some way to remove all prior DNS servers from resolv, and only use the DNS servers which is pushed from the DNS server when connecting?? - rly sorry for the loooong text..
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10:46<i_>I'm trying to install Debian 8.4.0 and it asks me for "iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode", which I do have on a USB drive that is plugged in. When I select "<Yes>", it doesn't take it and just gives me the prompt again. I've installed this version of Debian before, but the same steps I've taken before are not working for me anymore. What do I do now?
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10:56<jim>i_, unofficially, there are netinstall images that have the firmware on it
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10:57<jim>I'll try to find you one... what's your arch?
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11:01<jim>I found live isos
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11:04<jim>not the longest link I ever saw... but it's pretty long :)
11:05<i_>I think that's the one I'm using, did you get that from the Debian website?
11:07<jim>do the sizes compare?
11:07<i_>They do
11:08<i_>This is the link I used:
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11:10<i_>Wait, but they are different, because mine's the netinstall and your's is the unofficial one, right?
11:10<i_>I'll try that one
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11:10<jim>but you say the size is exactly the same?
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11:11<i_>Almost, I think mine was 280 MB.
11:11<jim>ok, it's definitely worth a shot
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11:12<i_>The link says its actually 247 though
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11:13<jim>here;s a dir full of live images, different kinds, all should have firmware too:
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11:15<jim>does the machine have a wired eth port?
11:16<jim>I guess if it came down to it (and you have a wired net), could work
11:16<i_>Through network boot?
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11:18<jim>as you might know, these netinstall cds usually come with the base on the image, which it would install if you leave the net unconfigured for whatever reason
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11:18<jim>I'm a little suspicious of the size of the image... the one I used to install is larger
11:18<jim>I think
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11:19<i_>Yea, as you said, it comes with the firmware already on it.
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11:23<jim>I guess it's about the same size, should be fine
11:24<jim>anyway, I hope it works... you can stick around and ask when you get stuck
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11:45<jim>i_, how's it going, working at all?
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11:46<i_>I'm trying it right now.
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11:58<jim>you should be able to ctrl-alt-F1, activate that shell and try ifconfig -a to see if the interface exists...
11:59<jim>or, ip link
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12:50<nezZario>Hey guys.. I dont know how much I can be helped but here goes.. I've been using Debian as my primary workstation desktop got nearly 2 years now.. Over the past 4-6 months it seems my setup is deteriorating.. Not sure what's going on. My system will just hang.... And even dropping out of X and into a terminal.. It's all hung up..
12:51<nezZario>It seems like it's with disk access but idk. Sometimes I'll get random "task xxxx blocked for more than 120 seconds, .. Blah blah to disable this message" but it's never thr same process
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12:53<nezZario>Right now, it's doing it BAD.. I have 2x SSDs on mdadm raid
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12:56<jim>if you suspect your disk or your filesystems, you could fsck them
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12:57<nezZario>Actually ... No freaking way .. I seriously think this has something to do with my USB mouse .. Let me paste this.
12:57<jim>can you swap mice?
12:58<jim>you might look at the output of free
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12:58<jim>and uptime
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12:59<nezZario>I honestly don't have any spare mice I don't think... free/uptime/(h)top/sar/etc -- i've kept really decent tabs on all of this and nothing abnormal happens during hangs in regards to cpu/mem/disk loads latencies or anything in that regard
13:00<nezZario>But check this out? I can't make sense of it. But I swear it's telling me the mouse is disconnecting and reconnecting which is causing the hang.
13:00<jim>might not tell you the cause, but maybe you could get more insite into the problem (maybe you're swapping? how much ram do you have?)
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13:01<jim>admittedly I'm pretty much grasping at straws here... without knowing more, that's all I can do for the moment
13:01<nezZario>I have 6GB of physical ram and 20GB of swap, -- swap is untouched according to free/htop. And I just had to reboot, and soon as it booted it did a hang for about 20 sec, was fine for 5 min, hung again, now is fine again..
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13:02<jim>do you have something like memtest86 installed?
13:02<nezZario>To put this clearly .. It's hard to explain. It's not that it is slow or even crawling. X just stops updating. Nothing works. I can usually drop to a terminal ctrl+alt+f1, but even at that, --- it's like I can type the username/password freely and without hesitation, but if I press <return> to actually login, it'll just hang there..
13:03<nezZario>Ehh, can you run it within a logged in session?
13:03<nezZario>I have it on some boot disks somewhere I'm sure
13:03<nezZario>That's a good plan though..
13:03<jim>you would have to reboot into it
13:04<jim>install the thing first, and then reboot
13:04<nezZario>Yeah, .. hmmm.. I'm going to try a new mouse real quick just to see. I'll wait until tonight and try memtest86 though, I didn't even think of that ..
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13:04<nezZario>I need this pc right now.. although if it hangs up once or twice again I'll just go to my office and let this thing run memtest :)
13:04<nezZario>thanks .. at least gave me some ideas
13:04<jim>at least it would probably rule out problems involving ram, cpu, video
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13:05<jim>is it a remote from where you are?
13:06<jim>(like, are you presently out and about, and sshing into the machine in question)
13:09<nezZario>no this is my physical home-office workstation with a keyboard, monitor, etc
13:10<nezZario>man, if this has been the problem for 6 months i'm going to rip my scalp off
13:11<nezZario>Could a usb device shorting plausibly cause a hang at the PC ?
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13:12<nezZario>Was going to unplug my printer and some other junk to bare keyboard/mouse.. i have an old e-cigarette charger plugged into the back for some reason, can't even see it, that has some nearly exposed wires...
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13:29<Walter_White45>Hello guys. I tried to channel all traffic through Tor. It didn't worked so I stopped it. But now I can't access the Internet anymore
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13:45<jim>ok, rebooting, havent't fixed joining problem yet... I'll catch it if I can... about 3 mins
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14:00<jim>should be ok now
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14:21<paxmark9>nezZario, maybe probably. Shutdown, remove and restart might be a good test. I'm going outside for a cigarette.
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15:21<Sp0nken>I'm trying to figure out what the best option is for me according to IntelliPark on my WD Green drives. Not really sure if my best bet is to put delay to 300s or disable it compleately, i've read some people having issues while disabling it. I'm about to use 2 WD green drives in a raid-1 array.
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17:42<pieter>i m trying to use hardware accelerated decoding on my intel HD 520, i installed all the VAAPI packages shown on the VLC website. i tried running vainfo, which gives me the following output:
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17:47<Sebastinas>pieter: IIRC support for that was added in libva/intel-vaapi-driver 1.6.
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17:47<Sebastinas>So you may need backports of newer versions.
17:48<jelly>,v i965-va-driver
17:48<judd>Package: i965-va-driver on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3; wheezy: 1.0.17-1; jessie: 1.4.1-2; stretch: 1.7.0-1; sid: 1.7.0-1
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17:48<jelly>no backport
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17:51<pieter>Sebastinas, if i check for the package you suggested it already says i have the newest version from backports
17:52<Sebastinas>You'd need to do them yourself. There are no backports available.
17:53<pieter>ok, how could i do that?
17:53<Sebastinas>Or ask for backports on d-backports@l.d.o.
17:54<jmcnaught>,checkbackport i965-va-driver
17:54<judd>Backporting package i965-va-driver in sid→jessie/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: intel-gpu-tools (>= 1.9) [amd64 i386], libva-dev (>= 1.7.0).
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17:55<jmcnaught>pieter: ^^ it seems that the version 1.7.0 in unstable at least cannot be backported
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17:56<pieter>jmcnaught so that means i gotta life with software rendering for the moment?!
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17:58<jmcnaught>pieter: yes it seems that way
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18:00<jmcnaught>pieter: you could upgrade to stretch before it is finished, but that will likely bring with it more problems and headaches than it solves and is not recommended if you're not already very familiar with Debian and prepared to help report/fix bugs
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18:05<Arcade>Hello: Can I ask is there a manual on what ports debian uses for its software (common ports that need open)
18:05<pieter>jmcnaught, indeed, i understand. I'm running bunsenlabs at the moment, i dont think that those would get allong.
18:06<jmcnaught>pieter: ahh.. well bunsenlabs is also not supported here, only Debian is. You may get more accurate information in a Bunsenlabs channel
18:08<pieter>jmcnaught, could try that, thanks alot for the help so far.
18:08<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell pieter about based on debian
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18:17<i_>I'm trying to install Debian with amd64 from an unofficial image, but halfway through I got "Debootstrap Error: Invalid Release file: no valid components." I installed the image through the "dd" command, is that what's wrong?
18:18<jmcnaught>i_: what unofficial image are you using? what is the download URL?
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18:21<Sp0nken>how to quickly change keyboard language on a debian live iso? i need to reboot if using dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration. Thanks
18:22<jmcnaught>i_: thanks. the live images don't work very well for installing sometimes. it's recommended to use an installer image instead. have you read the install manual?
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18:27<jim>i_, whoa, still no? sorry to hear that
18:27<jim>what you might do, is hook the wired eth port up and use a plain netinst
18:28-!-mode/#debian [+l 788] by debhelper
18:28<jim>then install, boot into it, take care of wireless
18:28<i_>Well, it'
18:29<i_>*it's just that I'm trying the installer.
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18:29<jmcnaught>i_: you're using a live image, please try an installer image
18:29<i_>I'm trying different things because I can't get the firmware files to funtion.
18:29<jim>you mean the installer portion of the live cd?
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18:29<i_>I think so.
18:30<jim>I'll tell ya tho, you're a trouper... lots of folks would have given up by now
18:30<jim>oh ok
18:31<jim>is it that the firmware won't load into the device?
18:31<jmcnaught>i_: this chapter of the install manual talks about dealing with missing firmwares, and has a link to an installer image (not live) that includes most non-free firmwares:
18:31<i_>I've placed the files onto the USB drive, and it worked before, but it doesn't now for some reason.
18:31<jmcnaught>note that some like broadcom firmwares are not included in the firmware images or tarball
18:31<Sp0nken>is it really that difficult to change this darn thing. I choosed to boot up a live distro just to be able to lay down and work in bed as fast as possible but i end up trying to figure out how to change keyboard language without needing to reboot (because of live..)
18:32<jim>I wonder if the firmware for your device isn't included yet because the device is too new?
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18:33<jim>in which case you have some choices, incl installing base only and rebooting into it, or hooking the eth cable to it
18:33<_44trent3>hello, for some reason i don't have a desktop environment anymore
18:33<_44trent3>how do i get it back and start x11 and stuff?
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18:33<jim>can you startx as a plain user?
18:34<jmcnaught>_44trent3: after your upgrade to stretch where you agreed to let it remove KDE? If you're still on stretch you should continue in the #debian-next channel
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18:34<_44trent3>er, yeah i think i did
18:35<_44trent3>#debian-next is kinda of...a ghost town right now
18:35<jmcnaught>_44trent3: if you want to try again with Jessie and stick with it this time, we can help you here, but this channel is for stable support only
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18:36<jim>i_, which images do you have saved somewhere?
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18:37<i_>The installer image that I'm trying now
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18:38<jim>i_, ok,,, that's the current + 1 version
18:38<jmcnaught>!testing installer
18:38<dpkg>Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage.
18:39<i_>OK, I think I get it now
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18:40<i_>But how would I resolve the firmware issues?
18:40<jim>which debian do you really want to end up with? (watch out for downgrading, which isn't supported)
18:41<jmcnaught>i_: if this is for the iwlwifi, the firmware netinst that jim linked you to a while ago should work. i have iwlwifi and that installer works fine for me
18:41<i_>8.4.0, the stable version
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18:42<jim>so do you have the ability to cable up temporarily?
18:42<jmcnaught>i_: when you tried the debian-live-8.4.0-amd64-cinnamon-desktop+nonfree.iso image you seemed to be having a different problem unrelated to firmware
18:42<i_>As in, ethernet?
18:42<jim>are you in an installer run now?
18:43<i_>No, I'm getting the netinstall
18:43<jim>yeah, ethernet (which could work, it's not the only way)
18:43<i_>I do have ethernet
18:44<jim>ok, so you have that as one choice
18:44<i_>So I'll have to use Network boot?
18:45<jim>no, I don't think so
18:45<jim>that is one choice
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18:45<jim>but you have to setup stuff on another machine to get that to work
18:46<jmcnaught>netboot images don't support UEFI installation (neither do the live images). using the firmware netinst image or using ethernet like jim suggests are the two best options
18:46<jim>or maybe both
18:47<jim>using the firmware netinst image. -and- using ethernet
18:48<jim>that could end up to be the easiest way, then you don't have to futz with stuff -in order to install-
18:48<jmcnaught>i reviewed the history and iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode was the missing firmware file, and it's in firmware-iwlwifi and on the firmware netinst image, so i_ if you had used jim's suggestion for the firmware netinst earlier instead of the live image it would have worked
18:49<jim>hmm... I thought the live images I linked to a coupla hours ago, had firmware (could be wrong, I did find them in that dir)
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18:49<i_>I thought they did, but I got a "Debootstrap error" instead
18:50<jim>this time, let's stay closely interactive
18:50<jim>that way we can catch any problems
18:50<jmcnaught>i_: that's a different error, and with a different iso than what had been recommended to you
18:51<jmcnaught>live disks aren't great for installing, using the installer images is always best
18:51<jim>that should change... right now... not gonna happen :)
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18:52<jim>the installer image worked great for me, pretty much over and over
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18:52<jim>(I didn't have any firmware issues, or hardware that needed firmware to operate)
18:53<i_>So I would start at, right?
18:54<i_>What would I get then, if I want the stable amd64 image?
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18:56<jmcnaught>i_: you want an installer from here:
18:56<jim>maybe this one:
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18:57<jmcnaught>jim: by the way dpkg has a <firmware images> factoid, but i also like to link people to the chapter about it in the install manual which explains the situation and also has a link to those images
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18:58<jim>I got a pg database of factoids, I'll probaby add both
18:58<jmcnaught>jim: do you know ?
18:59<jim>no, but I do now :)
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18:59<jim>I was vaguely aware of its existance
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19:00<jmcnaught>jim: that page also has a link for judd with info about the commands it supports
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19:01<jim>I wrote a little python script for hexchat... like, if I say (without the spaces) [[ linux-training ]] it says [[linux-training]]
19:01<jim>hmm, I don't have it loaded
19:02<jim>nope, definitely not loaded
19:02<jim>I wrote a little python script for hexchat... like, if I say (without the spaces) [[ linux-training ]] it says
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19:06<jim>i_, how things progressing?
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19:07<i_>Slowly, I'm still installing the image to the USB
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19:08<jim>curious, what tool are you using to get the image onto the usb?
19:08<i_>The command line and the "dd" command
19:08<jim>ok, sounds good
19:09*jim going to pay more attention this time
19:10<jim>i_, there's this other tool called unetbootin, that people sometimes use to write an image to the usb, and, glad you're not using it because it doesn't work that well
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19:11<Nate__>Hi, I need to set up a server for VirtualBox, wanted to use Debian, not sure what file system to use.
19:12<Nate__>I was thinking of using BTRFS for stability over EXT4, but I read that it has performance issues when using large VDI files.
19:12<jim>i_, another thing I wanted to make sure about, what is the file name of the image you're dding to the usb?
19:14<jmcnaught>Nate__: i don't know if btrfs should be considered more stable than ext4.
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19:14<i_>It's taking some time.
19:15<jmcnaught>cp is usually faster than dd
19:15<i_>That, or its done and it's just not showing me that it is
19:15<jim>i_, perfect, that's the image I would have used
19:15<Nate__>I had a laptop with BTRFS, I used to force it off when it got stuck so many times, never had lost any files, and a new PC with EXT4, that I unplugged one time by accident without a proper shutdown, and lost my partition.
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19:17<i_>I checked "Disks" and it shows me that the 279 MB are on the USB, but the Terminal is still showing me that its processing
19:17<Nate__>(either got stuck, or battery would run out)
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19:18<i_>Should I restart now, even though the Terminal hasn't showed that its finished?
19:19<jmcnaught>Nate__: maybe review and keep in mind that btrfs is still under heavy development and that the Jessie kernel doesn't have all the latest features
19:19<Nate__>jmcnaught: Maybe stable is not the correct word, maybe surviveability ..
19:20<jmcnaught>Nate__: if it's important i would consider using more time-tested solutions like RAID and ext4, with backups. If it's for fun, then have fun with btrfs
19:20<sqredreaper>does anyone know of a way to make a bootable live debian disc for mac on mac?
19:20<jmcnaught>i_: you should wait for the bash prompt to return. does the usb stick have any sort of activity light?
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19:21<Nate__>I ruled out BTRFS, because I read the Gotchas page: "On desktops this primarily affects application databases (including Firefox and Chromium profiles, GNOME Zeitgeist, Ubuntu Desktop Couch, Banshee, and Evolution's datastore.) "
19:21<i_>It doesn't
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19:22<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: you might be able to simply use the cp command as described in the install manual, but i don't know what the device name would be on a Mac
19:22<i_>But it seems to have finished, and I've started it up successfully
19:22<Nate__>jmcnaught: This is going to run VirtualBox
19:22<i_>I've selected the language, region, and keyboard.
19:22<Nate__>jmcnaught: so the above qoute, basically says, BTRFS is only good for the enterprise for file sharing of small files.
19:23<jim>is the disk partitioned already? (or do you have more than one disk?)
19:23<sqredreaper>cp would better tha dd? unetbootin and mac linux usb don;t boot debian correctly, it either wont boot or isnt a live version just an install
19:23<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: cp is what the install manual says to use, dd isn't even mentioned
19:23<i_>No, the disk is completely empty, and I'll partition it automatically through the installer.
19:24<jim>you might want to use lvm?
19:24<i_>How come?
19:25<jim>say you get more disks later... you can add to the free blocks
19:25<jim>and you can resize vols etc
19:25<i_>Where is that under, in the Installer menu?
19:26<i_>Or does that come later?
19:26<jim>that comes when the disks are about to be parttioned
19:26<jim>do you think you want to try that?
19:27<jim>how large is the disk that's in there now?
19:27<i_>750 MB
19:27<jim>oh, 750g?
19:28<i_>Yea, 750 gigabytes
19:28<jim>ok, what do you want to do oswise? just have the debian? or you want to install others?
19:28<i_>Just Debian
19:28<Nate__>jmcnaught: So maybe my question should be, is there anything better, more reliable FS then EXT4, that can handle large files (such as VDI files)?
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19:29<i_>Okay, I'm at "Partition disks". I'm selecting "Guided - use entire disk".
19:29<i_>No, and set up LVM
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19:30<i_>So "Guided - use entire disk and set up LVM".
19:30<jim>that sounds good
19:30<i_>And it's going on /sda, the 750 GB drive
19:30<jim>right, that sounds good
19:31<sqredreaper>where would i find the Instillation info for installing a live debian usb for mac?
19:31<jmcnaught>Nate__: i would probably just use ext4 but i guess you could research XFS which some poeple seem fond of
19:31<i_>Now it's asking me about forcing UEFI, should I force it?
19:31<Nate__>jmcnaught: Would you use XFS in a production environment?
19:32<jmcnaught>Nate__: i don't use it, but it's been around long enough I think it's a better choice than btrfs which is still not finished
19:32<jim>sqredreaper, probably you'd get a live image... we've just been working with that, and one thing that's come up, is the debian netinstall images work better than the live cds for the case where you want to install debian on your machine
19:33<jmcnaught>i_: if this is a UEFI system you will need a UEFI or ESP partition if that is what it's asking about
19:33<sqredreaper>so there isnt one like mint or ubuntu where it loads the firmware i need for me?
19:33<i_>Right, so that's what I'll go with.
19:33<jim>jmcnaught, he's doing whole disk/guided/lvm
19:34<i_>There we go!
19:34<jim>uhh what hoppin?
19:34<Nate__>jmcnaught: Why don't you personally use XFS?
19:35<i_>After making it write the changes, I get the red screen and "Debootstrap Error: Invalid Release file: no valid components."
19:35<jmcnaught>Nate__: because i'm happy with ext4. i'm also not really a filesystem expert, i just wanted to caution you against using something so new like btrfs on a production server
19:36<jim>ok, can you go backand try not forcing uefi
19:36<Nate__>jmcnaught: Thank you, I appriciate it.
19:36<Nate__>jmcnaught: Do you know of someone who is really into the different file systems here, I can ask?
19:37<jmcnaught>i_: when you ran "dd" did you copy to /dev/sdc or /dev/sdc1 ? Maybe you should have run "sync" to make sure it was finished copying. Or maybe you should try a different USB stick
19:37<i_>I did /dev/sdc1
19:37<jmcnaught>i_: that's why this is happening then. you need to copy debian images to the device, not a partition
19:37<sqredreaper>where would i find the Instillation info for installing a live debian usb for mac?
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19:38<i_>Okay, so I'll redo that then
19:39<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: i don't think anything is different about a mac than any other hardware. if you want a live image, download one and use it. if you want to install a system to a usb stick, that should work too. are you having a specific problem when you try one of those things?
19:39<jmcnaught>i_: it really wouldn't hurt to give the install manual at least a skim
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19:40<sqredreaper>im having an issue loading the proper firmware on my mac, using ubuntu/mint the live version loads them for me
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19:40<jim>jmcnaught, how'd you catch that one?
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19:41<sqredreaper>im trying to get into python and from what i seen debian have support natively. Atleast that's what i see when i boot raspbian on my raspberry pi
19:41<jim>jmcnaught, (how did you know to wonder about whether he dd-ed to a partition of the usb?)
19:42<somiaj>sqredreaper: python is a core package and debian has lots of python libaries. But if you wanting help with raspbian, it is prefered you use their supprt, as we support only debian pure blends here.
19:42<jmcnaught>jim: it's a common mistake
19:43<sqredreaper>i need help with debian on my macbook pro
19:43<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: specifically what firmware file are you having a problem with?
19:43<jim>and you detect it when it finishes the partitioner? or at which point?
19:43<sqredreaper>all of it. that's why i want a live boot
19:44<jim>sqredreaper, what's your goal? what do you want to end up with?
19:44<jmcnaught>jim: it's because it was looking for files on the 'cdrom' that it mounts in the wrong place
19:44<jim>oh ok
19:44<sqredreaper>i'd rather have all of the firmware, im using a 64gb stick
19:45<jim>it first needs the "cdrom" when it tries to get the base debs?
19:45<sqredreaper>i can take out my ssd or hdd in my mac and use a different hdd if that would work better
19:45<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: you probably only need one or maybe two firmwares, and some of them are special. why not just tell us the one causing a problem?
19:45<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: is it for your wifi, for your video card?
19:45<sqredreaper>hold on ill take a picture
19:45<sqredreaper>i mean i took a picture
19:46<i_>OK, so I have the installation session running.
19:46<i_>I shouldn't force UEFI, right?
19:47<jim>am not totally sure what it forces
19:47<jmcnaught>i_: if you are booting with UEFI then you do need an ESP partition
19:47<sqredreaper>b43/ucode29_mimo.fw b43-open/ucode29_mimo.fw
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19:48<sqredreaper>it will not read the fw from another usb and i cant install them manually from OS X
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19:48<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: can you use ethernet to install Debian and then follow the instructions on this page?
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19:49<sqredreaper>the real problem it that i get kernel panic screen with no boot
19:49<jim>sqredreaper, so, time to sit back, relax for a moment, and zoom out... what is it exactly you want to have when you're done? what's your overall goal for the machine?
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19:49<sqredreaper>to learn more
19:49<sqredreaper>and get back into programming
19:50<jmcnaught>this is one of the firmwares not included in a package/tarball/iso. On Debian there's a special firmware-b43-installer package that downloads the firmware
19:50<sqredreaper>i didnt have these issue with mint
19:50<sqredreaper>but i want something different
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19:50<sqredreaper>ohhhh i can even get the mate mint debian live to work right
19:50<jim>ok... do you want to put debian onto your hd as part of achieving that goal?
19:50<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: i don't think the kernel panic would be related to your broadcom missing firmware
19:51<sqredreaper>doubt it i tried to boot with nomodeset that usually works for other distros
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19:51<sqredreaper>and im using a wired connection. i just rewired my network to support gigabit and ipv6
19:52<i_>Well, I got the Debootstrap Error again, and I made sure that there was an ESP partition when I forced UEFI.
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19:52<jim>i_, wow... the same message?
19:53<i_>Yep, same everything
19:53<jim>ok... can the machine boot in bios mode?
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19:54<sqredreaper>does anyone else in here use a mac??
19:54<i_>I think it can
19:54<i_>Should I try again without forcing UEFI?
19:55<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: which ISO are you booting from, what was the download URL or filename? are you trying a text mode install?
19:55<jmcnaught>i_: i would try a different USB stick, and figure out if you're booting UEFI or BIOS. If you're booting UEFI you do need that special partition
19:55<i_>And I am trying from text mode
19:55<jim>ok, so far this forcing thing hasn't flown... (I cannot guarantee that's the problem, but it seems to be in close proximitiy to the problem... so my -guess- is try to go back and not force uefi
19:56<jmcnaught>i_: i was asking someone else, you're not the only one here :P
19:56<sqredreaper>lmde-2-201503-mate-64bit.iso from
19:56<sqredreaper>and no no no, i wont do a text based install
19:56<jim>jmcnaught, do you think that's why it's currently failing?
19:56<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: that's not a debian image, if you want to use that you should get help from a mint chat room
19:57<sqredreaper>i tried and failed with 3 iso's of debian
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19:57<jim>sqredreaper, the text-based install works fine, and doesn't mean that it doesn't install x, just that when it's in the installer, it uses a terminal-like interface, and no mouse/click/etc
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19:58<jmcnaught>jim: she/he said that the error was "Debootstrap Error: Invalid Release file: no valid components." so I'm starting to think it's a problem with the disk
19:58<sqredreaper> Model Name: MacBook Pro
19:58<sqredreaper> Model Identifier: MacBookPro8,2
19:58<sqredreaper> Processor Name: Intel Core i7
19:58<sqredreaper> Processor Speed: 2.2 GHz
19:58<sqredreaper> Number of Processors: 1
19:58<sqredreaper> Total Number of Cores: 4
19:58<sqredreaper> L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
19:58<sqredreaper> L3 Cache: 6 MB
19:58<sqredreaper> Memory: 16 GB
19:58<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: cut that out
19:58<sqredreaper> Boot ROM Version: MBP81.0047.B2C
19:58<sqredreaper>does any of that help?
19:58<jim>you mean with the disk s/he's installing to
19:59<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: please use next time
19:59<jim>or with the usb?
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19:59<jmcnaught>jim: i_: i mean try a different USB stick. that error is telling me debootstrap sees a problem with the Release file on the installer disk.
20:00<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: have you tried this one?
20:00<sqredreaper>the only way i got it to work was using an imac and any other windows based computer
20:00<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: try it without graphical mode, just the regular "install 64 bit" option
20:00<jim>maaybe he needs the firmware one too
20:00<i_>Yea, I got the Debootstrap error again. I'll try another USB drive.
20:01<jmcnaught>jim: his wifi at least needs a firmware that's not on the non-free image
20:01<i_>Why would another USB help, though?
20:01<jim>i_, it seems to be having trouble finding files that are supposd to be on the cd
20:02<sqredreaper>i have a feeling im going to have the same issues using an hp spectre
20:03<sqredreaper>why does linux hate overpriced laptops?
20:03<jim>before you write the image, let's clarify a few things before you go ahead
20:03<somiaj>sqredreaper: a lot depends on the network card. You are having trouble with the bf43 (I think that is the name) module/card?
20:03<jim>sqredreaper, because linux sides with the common man?
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20:04<somiaj>sqredreaper: as for over priced laptops, it depends on the laptop and the hardware, not all manfucatures make dealing with their hardware easy.
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20:04<sqredreaper>ill give the net install another try
20:04<jim>sqredreaper, it's going to save you some time if you install over ethernet (wired)
20:05<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: it doesn't have a page for your specific model but it does for the one after it:
20:05<sqredreaper>its the same tho just goes to a black screen with an underscore not blinking
20:05<jim>sqredreaper, just so you know you have several choices
20:06<sqredreaper>i wonder if having 2 gpu's is what causes the issue
20:06<sqredreaper>i know most macs have 2
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20:07<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: it could very well be related. can you disable one in the firmware/BIOS, or have you tried the text mode even once?
20:08<jim>i_, when you write the image to the other usb, I wonder if it seems that process of writing the image seems faster
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20:08<sqredreaper>no i haven't tried text based because im not that familiar with unix commands
20:08<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: it's menu driven, and it shows the same menus that the graphical installer does but in text boxes instead of graphical ones
20:09<jim>sqredreaper, do you get to the part in the installer where you can select the keyboard layout and language?
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20:10<sqredreaper>yes i can finish it, just wont boot after grub
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20:10<sqredreaper>refind>grub>black screen
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20:30<i_>Okay, I'm trying the whole thing again on a new USB.
20:31<i_>I'll try forcing the UEFI
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20:34<i_>I think that did it, it's installing the base system.
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20:38<jmcnaught>i_: nice. probably worth putting a label on that broken USB stick or throwing it out
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20:39<i_>But why would it have acted differently when installing the system?
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20:40<jmcnaught>i_: i have had problems with old/cheap usb sticks when trying to install. it's probably just a dud and shouldn't be trusted with anything important
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20:44<jim>i_, congratulations... this took all day...
20:45<jim>particular sector on the media, something like that
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20:46<i_>Yea, hopefully it all installs right from here on. Thanks.
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20:47<jim>is it only installing the base? or?
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20:47<ukine>how do i fix endless scrolling of error missing firmware on all tty's including 7?
20:47<i_>"Select and install software"
20:48<i_>It's the longest phase
20:48<jmcnaught>ukine: which firmware is it complaining about missing?
20:49<ukine>is there a way to boot into a mode in which i can still use eth0 to apt-get the non-free firmware?
20:49<ukine>i know how to add non-free etc and do all that to get it
20:49<ukine>just need it in a mode where it won't look for that interface
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20:50<ukine>append init=/bin/bash and edit /etc/network/interfaces then try apt-get from the tty instead of loading the DE which will probably add the interface again... :p
20:51<ukine>i'd have to do an additional reboot after editing the interfaces to get network probably
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20:53<jmcnaught>ukine: you could also try just booting recovery mode from the grub menu. do you have a different computer so you can copy the firmware deb you need onto a usb stick?
20:53<ukine>i'll try the init first because i think with that interface in there it'll do the same thing with 'single'
20:53<ukine>i could copy the firmware
20:54<ukine>instead of apt-get, but i still have to get the system to stop locking on trying to bring up an interface it doesn't have driver for and flooding
20:54<jmcnaught>ukine: sounds like the .deb you need
20:55<jmcnaught>ukine: is this a fresh install? there's a way to get the installer to install firmwares if you have them on a separate partition on the installer medium, or a separate drive
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20:58<ukine>my model is listed under iwllegacy
20:58<ukine>but it still tells me to install firmware-iwlwifi for that model
20:59<jmcnaught>what does "lspci -nn" say it is? the pciid that looks like [1234:abcd] is most important
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21:01<ukine>doin' it in recovery mode :)
21:01<ukine>i know for sure it's firmware-iwlwifi
21:02<ukine>Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection
21:02<ukine>both pci id's are covered under that firmware even though they're listed under a different page called iwlegacy
21:03<jim>do you see the pciids?
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21:06<jim>as jmcnaught says, they look like [1234:abcd], and we can check a couple things if we see them too
21:07<jim>you'll see them if you're in linux (somehow) and can run lspci -nn
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21:09<cobface>whats happen
21:09<jim>Cm7 has 4 notes
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21:11<jim>cobface, umm, dunno :) what's happen with you?
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21:13<ukine>got it :)
21:13<jim>did it boot?
21:14<ukine>"formerly supported by the iwlwifi driver (iwl3945 and iwlagn modules) until Linux Supported devices are listed at the end of this page.
21:14<ukine>Non-free firmware is required, which can be provided by the firmware-iwlwifi package."
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21:14<ukine>kinda weird eh?
21:14<jmcnaught>ukine: yeah sorry i think that device does use a firmware from firwmware-iwlwifi. i mistakenly thought that the iwlegacy devices were the ipw2100 ones
21:14<jim>ok, do you have wired eth right now?
21:14<ukine>i got it all good :)
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21:16<ukine>had to add the eth0 manually to interfaces in maintenance mode
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21:16<ukine>then bring it up, get iwlwifi, and reboot
21:16<ukine>and no more endless scrolling
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21:17<jmcnaught>ukine: next time it will probably be easier to add the missing firmwares during the installation
21:18<ukine>probably :p
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21:18<ukine>i've had to do it that way twice because i don't like modifying the usb netinsts i make
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21:19<ukine>i already go between ppc (which uses some abomination of apm and gpt), and had to futz around with the stick in gdisk and zero it a couple times till i got no tables and no errors
21:19<ukine>but this is the only time a missing firmware has flooded all terminals
21:19<jmcnaught>ukine: you can put the firmwares on a separate usb stick, there are instructions in the install manual
21:20<ukine>yup i've done it that way before
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21:21<ukine>will do that next time thanks :)
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21:22<ukine>should prolly remove eth0 from interfaces now and let whatever cinnamon is using handle it
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21:23<ukine>it's trying to bring it up on boot and doesn't limit itself
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21:25<jim>is your net up using any interface?
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21:27<ukine>just had to remove the eth0 from interfaces so it wouldn't hang on "LSB trying to bring up interfaces" on boot
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21:28<ukine>looks like i was able to ping without cinnamon even being fully loaded and nothing but loopback in interfaces
21:28<ukine>(over wlan) cinnamon's connection manager opens fast
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21:33<ukine>been staring at screen's way too long today
21:33<ukine>break time
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22:24<sqredreaper>so.... yeah black screen again
22:24<sqredreaper>how do i add nomodeset in grub 2? i see ro then quiet, isnt it normally ro quiet splash?
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22:27<sqredreaper>hello world
22:28<jim>there could be a #grub here, there;s definitely one on (and a #debian there too)
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22:28<jim>I take it you're not in linux yet, but almost?
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22:29<sqredreaper>same issue
22:29<sqredreaper>black screen
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22:29<sqredreaper>i need to know how to properly set nomodeset
22:29<jim>but it's happening in grub?
22:30<sqredreaper>in ubuntu i add it at the end but the grub 2 menu is different
22:31<jim>well grub, is the boot loader... so that's before either ubuntu, debian, or whichever
22:33-!-sqredreaper_ [~chatzilla@2601:c0:c001:c09c:b534:4e3d:cbd9:5b1d] has joined #debian
22:33<sqredreaper_>and linux uses my second gpu insteade of the intel chipset like os x does by default
22:34<jim>yeah, the #grub people have stopped supporting grub1 years ago, might as well get on the good foot with that
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22:34<sqredreaper_>do you know how to add in nomodeset?
22:35<jim>(I thought grub1 was amazing too, especially compared to lilo)
22:35<jim>I don't... sorry about that
22:36<jim>it's probably easy
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22:38<jim>so it's really the linux command line that has to have it
22:39<sqredreaper>that would help if i was in linux
22:39<sqredreaper>im in OS X
22:39<jim>it's a web page tho, you can read it :)
22:39<sqredreaper>ill give it another shot be back in 10
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22:53<twb> what do I do about this?
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22:57<diefi>why do I get this error trying to apt-get update new sources.list?
22:57<twb>It looks like the problem is that pepperflashplugin-nonfree ships with a key in /usr/lib/pepperflashplugin-nonfree/pubkey-google.txt which is different from the key that google currently uses
22:59<twb>Derp, looks like #823005
22:59<judd>Bug in pepperflashplugin-nonfree (open): «pepperflashplugin-nonfree: Missing PGP key»; severity: grave; opened: 2016-04-29; last modified: 2016-04-29.
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23:06<diefi>ok problem caused by cached /var/lib/apt/lists
23:06<diefi>goodbuy wheezy and hello jessie
23:06<dc2ac>hello again
23:07<twb>diefi: you might just need to update debian-keyring package then rerun apt-get update?
23:07<dc2ac>i remember i was suppossed to ad 3 lines to one file to fix the dependency issues
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23:08<dc2ac> could someone point me again where to add those 3 lines
23:08<diefi>I just did what was suggested here and it helped, update keyring would have been my second step
23:08<dc2ac>i forgot the name of the file
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23:09<twb>dc2ac: those are for sources.list
23:09<dc2ac>twb thanks
23:09<dc2ac>diefi i remember talking to you before
23:09<dc2ac>few days ago
23:09<dc2ac>about this
23:10<dc2ac>let me see if this will work now
23:10<dc2ac>i remember i was having problems with the root
23:10<diefi>well i planed on updateing a few day ago, until my backup screwed my external HD
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23:11<dc2ac>what do you mean screwed external hs diefi
23:11<dc2ac>how did this happen ?
23:11<diefi>well was my bad, i used dump in a dumb fashion
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23:11<dc2ac>but this was not the system issue right ?
23:11<diefi>overwriting HDs bootsector in the process
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23:12<dc2ac>oh ok
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23:17<dc2ac>diefi i did open the sources.list file in the terminal
23:17<dc2ac>and my question is
23:18<dc2ac>is it possible to paste those 3 lines there ?
23:18<twb>dc2ac: have you read the upgrade docs
23:18<twb>dpkg: wheezy->jessie
23:18<dpkg>Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>.
23:18<dc2ac>that would be great
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23:19<dc2ac>twb yes diefi did mention this to me few days before
23:19<dc2ac>im having problems saving the file because of root privilages
23:20<dc2ac>but if i can do this from the terminal i can do this
23:22<dc2ac>let me try this
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23:36<dc2ac>hmm what would be the easiest way to edit this ? it looks like when i press enter it wont skip to the next line
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23:43<dc2ac>im having problem editing the file
23:43<dc2ac>i cant just paste and save it
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23:48<twb>dc2ac: sorry, I was eating lunch
23:49<twb>dc2ac: when you run sudoedit, it opens the file using your preferred editor. if you never chose an editor, you probably get something confusing like vim or nano
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23:56<dc2ac>twb yes i just did that using mousepad :)
23:56<dc2ac>ok so this is done
23:56<dc2ac>do i need to restart the system in order to have this work?
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23:58<jmcnaught>dc2ac: are you upgrading from wheezy to jessie?
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23:59<twb>jmcnaught: correct
23:59<twb>dc2ac: did you read the release notes
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23:59<dc2ac>jmcnaught im just trying to solve the dependencies problem
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