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---Logopened Tue May 03 00:00:55 2016
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00:05<sqredreaper>ok i have a macbook pro with dual gpu, im trying to boot into a fresh install of debian, i edited etc/modprobe.d/fbdev-blacklist.conf i believe it was and added blacklist radeon.I still can't get it to boot would anyone know why this is?
00:06<sqredreaper>edited using raspbian*
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00:08<pedro>hi. can anyone help me, im trying to navigate trought the web but i get thousands of security warnings
00:08<pedro>im using an old pc with a debian 6.0
00:08<pedro>i mean debian 7
00:09<pedro>could anyone send me firefox pls? or tell me of a repo with it ?
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00:09<diefi>pedro: what are you using atm?
00:10<pedro>like a browser?
00:10<pedro>its konqueror or seamonkey
00:10<pedro>i mean
00:10<pedro>id like to get firefox
00:11<pedro>but its not in the repos
00:11<pedro>sorry for flooding
00:11<sqredreaper>sudo apt-get install iceweasel
00:11<diefi>well iceweasel is firefox in other skin
00:11<sqredreaper>thats an easy one
00:11<sqredreaper>or sudo aptitude install iceweasel
00:12<pedro>yes but i cant navigate trought no web page, i get security warings like 15, telling me that the page is not secure
00:12<diefi>the security warning are an other issue, but for that you need to give more information
00:12<diefi>well that warning is for a reason...
00:12<diefi>and I doubt it will be different with other browsers
00:13<pedro>yes but it gives the warning on every singe page, its its like 15 warning
00:13<pedro>cant i navigate?
00:13<pedro>can i go trought the settings?
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00:14<diefi>the exact warning and website could help
00:14<diefi>you will hardly ever get support, to disable warning about insecurity, especially if there 15 of them at once...
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00:16<pedro>sometimes it asks if i want to trust the site, just for this sesssion of for ever
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00:16<pedro>but its useless
00:16<pedro>still cant navigate
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00:16<sqredreaper>reinstall the distro?
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00:17<pedro>can anyone paste me a like with a secure server with unrar for debian?
00:17<pedro>in a binary?
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00:19<pedro>The server failed the authenticity check (
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00:23<sqredreaper>lol that's an ad
00:23<sqredreaper>ad site
00:24<diefi>pedro so are you using iceweasel or konqueror?
00:25<pedro>diefi, im using both
00:25<diefi>and both have this error?
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00:26<diefi>pedro do "sudo apt-get update"
00:27<diefi>and than "sudo apt-get upgrade"
00:27<diefi>do you know when you updated your systems the last time?
00:29<sqredreaper>yay i think someone in #ubuntu may be able to solve this stupid non booting mac issue. If so i can share it
00:29<pedro>diefi, im going to update it
00:29<diefi>np pedro
00:29<diefi>and good luck sqredreaper
00:30<dax>sqredreaper: #ubuntu is for Ubuntu users. #debian is for Debian users. Never the twain shall meet.
00:30<sqredreaper>i use both, have 1 ssd 5 hdd and like 10 usb drives, i have a hand full of different operating systems
00:30<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell pedro about wheezy lts
00:31<dax>sqredreaper: five hard drives in a macbook pro? impressive
00:31<sqredreaper>they need a #macintoshforlinux channel
00:31<sqredreaper>not in i swap them
00:31<sqredreaper>took out my super drive for hdd caddy so i can use two at once
00:32<sqredreaper>where would fglrx be located?
00:32<jmcnaught>pedro: you should check the message from dpkg about Wheezy LTS and keep an eye on the link for unsupported packages (or install the debian-security-support package like it says on or of course upgrading to Debian 8 (Jessie) would be best
00:33<pedro>jmcnaught, i like oldware
00:34<jmcnaught>pedro: that's fine, but wheezy LTS won't be doing security support for as many packages as were supported during wheezy's normal support period
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00:36<pedro>jmcnaught, you see i got an old computer,, ive goten a afection by it, i dont know if the new versions are going to be too heavy for my sistem
00:38<diefi>how old is old
00:38<jmcnaught>pedro: if you're already running something lightweight then it will probably be just as lightweight on the newer version. keep in mind that LTS is mostly security support for server software, so you'll need to upgrade to Jessie eventually
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00:42<sqredreaper>how do i remaster an iso?
00:42<pedro>is debiasn 7, wheezt? can anyone send me a binary package of unrar for debian 7?
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00:44<diefi>debian7 is wheezy
00:44<debusr>Accident... created a 7.7gb swap on a 16gb usb stick and installed Jessie. would rather not reinstall. Anyone on that can help please?
00:45<diefi>what does "cat /etc/os-release" say when you enter it in your terminal?
00:45<diefi>debusr do you have free space on your hd?
00:46<debusr>PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)"
00:46<debusr>NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
00:46<debusr>VERSION="8 (jessie)"
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00:47<debusr>oops... did not mean to do that..
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00:48<debusr>with the 7.7gb swap i have a few mb left.. want to reduce swap to much smaller and use the rest for data..
00:48<jmcnaught>pedro: unrar is available in Wheezy in non-free
00:48<debusr>can I do this through the install cds?
00:49<diefi>debus what does "df -h" say post the output on
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00:50<diefi>debusr: but in general resizing swap should be possible
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00:53<diefi>debusr: and cat /etc/fstab while you are at it
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02:55<zanusson>linda escile
02:55<zanusson>martina la scuss
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02:55<piovanr>ma va in figa
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02:55<scarek406>de to mare
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02:56<nyz>ehi ehi my friens
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02:57<nyz>ehi ehi sono la scuss
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02:59<mxgarand>fuori per fuori
02:59<nyz>UN PAZZOLICO
02:59<mxgarand>DIO FURBO
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03:00<nyz>ELIT3 GAIMING
03:00<mxgarand>PAN1C GAMING
03:00<mxgarand>EX MACHINA
03:00<nyz>5% DI SANTO
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03:01<mxgarand>LAMA DI CROTA
03:01<nyz>LAma laggante
03:01<nyz>ehi samir
03:01<mxgarand>TU N O CAPIR
03:01<nyz>io quanto vedo una tipa io gli strappo pelizoma
03:02<nyz>franceco toti
03:02<nyz>rattus glandinus
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03:02<nyz>le esce
03:03<mxgarand>LA LINDA
03:03<nyz>le minne
03:03<nyz>karen swak
03:03<nyz>ti caccia i bocchini
03:03<mxgarand>UNA DISCARICA
03:03<nyz>alla brezza della notte
03:03<mxgarand>S NI
03:03<mxgarand>SI NO
03:03<nyz> asino
03:03<mxgarand>RATTO GLANDINO
03:04<nyz>canarino glandino
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03:04<nyz>topus peninus
03:04<mxgarand>LUCA GAY
03:05<nyz>che storie
03:05<nyz>5419245139486198374521394851r6 pin
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03:05<dellaragionec>non sta
03:06<nyz>dnvcz<smdh csd su ccvadc v c csdcsdcvascv<msdgcv<nbvc dc sydfc zhxc<s yEYFG AC SD CKc aeryc dscae
03:06<dellaragionec>che è spam
03:06<dellaragionec>non sta
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03:06<nyz>akdfg ckr gr erugy flinda troia
03:06<dellaragionec>ti bannano
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03:19<Celelibi>How do I search for the packages that provide one I know?
03:19<diefi>google :P
03:20<jm_>as in Provides field?
03:20<jm_>aptitude can do that, or tools like grep-dctrl/dpkg-awk
03:20<diefi>does aptitude search work?
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03:21<Celelibi>I use apt-get.
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03:22<jm_>you can still use aptitude for searching even though you use apt-get for everything else
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03:22<diefi>well you can use aptitude search for the name of the file and apt-get install if you want
03:22<diefi>I'm too slow today
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03:45<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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03:46<dpkg>Ukraine - ua ukr 804 User Agent. It refers to web clients, and what they send to the web server as "who they are". It can be easily faked.
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03:52<ion_>hi all
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04:17<gonzalo>hi, a recommended application launcher? something similar to gnome-pie?
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05:26<TxGVNN>hi everyone, i want to become Debian Maintainer?
05:28<TxGVNN>i have installed "how-can-i-help" package. And i want to maintain wicd package.
05:28<TxGVNN>Would i need to do?
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05:34<narcan>TxGVNN: hi you should talk about it on #debian-mentors
05:34<narcan>TxGVNN: I'm DM
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05:35<TxGVNN>thank sir
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07:17<scootergrisen>How do i restart phpmyadmin? If i can do that
07:18<Maulkin>scootergrisen: You can restart apache... what are you trying to do?
07:19<scootergrisen>I have installed phpmyadmin but when i visit .../phpmyadmin/ in the browser it says it cant connect so im guess the password is wrong
07:19<scootergrisen>Do i need to restart Apache if i change the phpmyadmin file with the password?
07:21<scootergrisen>ok now it works
07:22<scootergrisen>Maybe i should just have left it alone
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07:29<scootergrisen>If i run "mysql" from terminal i get: ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
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08:10<khazakar>Hi all! I want to launch monopd server on my Debian Jessie server,but I cannot see it on gtkAtlantic.It can be because i have newer gtkatlantic and monopd on client than on server?
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09:24<jkliemann>how come that i have two interfaces with exactly the same static ipv6 configuration and one gets an ip and one not?
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09:26<duclicsic>jkliemann: you mean you have given them statically assigned addresses?
09:27<teatime>jkliemann: your question has at least two contradictions, and I don't understand what you might mean
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09:29<jkliemann>duclicsic teatime yes I have configured a static ipv6 in /etc/network/interfaces both for eth0 and eth1. eth0 gets the address but eth1 does not (both have different addresses ofc, but the same config)
09:29<teatime>are you missing the 'auto eth1' line
09:29<duclicsic>jkliemann: can you paste the config from your interfaces file into and show us?
09:30<duclicsic>also include the output of 'ip a'
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09:30<teatime>could be a couple of other things.. would blocking NDP w/ iptables break DAD?
09:30<teatime>perhaps not, since it's hoping to *not* get a response.. I don't remember exactly what it does.
09:31<teatime>but yes, pls post config
09:32<duclicsic>it may be that you're trying to configure different physical interfaces with addresses in the same subnet..
09:32<jkliemann>asigning an address to eth1 with ip -6 address add ... works
09:33<jkliemann>duclicsic it also doesnt work if I remove the eth0 part
09:33<jkliemann>(lines 12-17)
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09:35<mistnim>hello, is there a way to close a bug report?
09:35<duclicsic>i wonder.. try just adding a blank line between the ipv4 and ipv6 config for eth1
09:35<mistnim>I sent a pretty stupid report
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09:36<duclicsic>jkliemann: i don't see any obvious reason why it would fail to assign the address to eth1
09:36<teatime>does it not report any errors or anything?
09:37<teatime>ifupdown is not usually silent if things don't work
09:37<jkliemann>duclicsic it seems that the blank line did it, even though all my other configs are working without a blank line
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09:38<duclicsic>weird.. i had a feeling i'd seen a problem like that before
09:38<jkliemann>anyway thanks for that tip :)
09:38<teatime>I had no idea that would do that. I guess I'm lucky I like blank lines.
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09:41<jkliemann>well, i missed something, it didn't woek
09:41<jkliemann>the address i have seen was the one I assigned manually, not the one in the config
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09:45<jkliemann>duclicsic it seems that the static ipv4 blocks it. I commented it out and the ipv6 address appeared (but somehow the ipv4 address was still there)
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09:46<duclicsic>jkliemann: my suggestion is to make the config as simple as possible,
09:46<duclicsic>remove all the additional stuff like 'accept ra' and 'dad-attempts'
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09:47<duclicsic>jkliemann: how are you reloading this configuration btw?
09:47<jkliemann>im restarting networking
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09:48<jkliemann>is there any better way?
09:48<duclicsic>honestly it's probably that which isn't working properly
09:49<duclicsic>just try doing 'ifdown eth1' then 'ifup eth1'
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09:49<teatime>accept_ra 0 and dad-attempt 0 make sense to configure
09:49<teatime>but it *is* 'accept_ra', not 'accept ra'
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09:49<duclicsic>teatime: it may do, but for this purpose i'd think it's worth getting the simplest config possible
09:49<teatime>I beleive you've probably got it anyway
09:50<leonn>hi, i’m on testing and i need to install atlassian’s hipchat thingie (<>)
09:50<teatime>jkliemann: restarting networking just does something like 'ifdown -a; ifup -a', and that doesn't often work w/o errors if interfaces has changed since the original ifup
09:51<leonn>looks like their repository only has md5 and sha1 hashes though, so apt is complaining
09:51<duclicsic>leonn: this channel is for support of debian stable, for help with testing etc please try #debian-next
09:51<leonn>is there any way i can use their repos before atlassian fixes that?
09:51<leonn>oh ok, thanks
09:51<jkliemann>duclicsic ifdown says that eth1 is not configured and ifup says File exists failed to bring up eth1
09:52<duclicsic>haha. sigh.
09:52<duclicsic>jkliemann: let's see the output of 'ip a'
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10:00<jkliemann>duclicsic ifconfig doesnt show any error
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10:11<duclicsic>jkliemann: odd. ifupdown sometimes seems to get a bit confused like this, i'm not sure of the correct solution
10:12<jkliemann>duclicsic does the output of ifup -v help you?
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10:16<duclicsic>jkliemann: if I manually remove all addresses from an interface then do ifdown eth1l ifup eth1; it seems to work ok
10:18<jkliemann>well, i removed all, it adds the ipv4 address, but neither the v6 nor link local and still says File exists
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10:25<duclicsic>jkliemann: how about: ip link set dev eth1 down; ip link set dev eth1 up; ip addr flush dev eth1; ifdown eth1; ifup eth1;
10:26<duclicsic>if you still have problems, I am not sure what to suggest
10:29<jkliemann>still the same results
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10:30<jkliemann>I have to go anyway, still thanks for your help
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10:31<scootergrisen>When i run sudo /opt/lampp/lampp startmysql it says ok, but when i try to run sudo /opt/lampp/lampp stopmysql it says not running
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10:31<themill>I'll take a stab that there is no way anyone here wants to touch that
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10:34<sney>scootergrisen: you know, all of the "lampp" components are packaged individually in debian. if you want to run a webserver, installing some monolithic thing into /opt is about the worst way you could do that for several reasons
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10:37<scootergrisen>So what is the good way to do it?
10:37<themill>apt install the packages you want
10:37<scootergrisen>I just did that with mysql
10:37<scootergrisen>But maybe i have 2 x mysql now
10:38<sney>step 1) remove that crap from /opt so it doesn't conflict with normal services, 2) /msg dpkg lamp
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10:38<scootergrisen>If i run "mysql start" and " /opt/lampp/bin/mysql.server start" i get different result
10:38<sney>step 1) remove that crap from /opt so it doesn't conflict with normal services
10:39<sney>!tell scootergrisen about lamp
10:39<sney>if you install from the debian packages, you get: a) config files in standard locations b) support from #debian and other resources c) SECURITY UPDATES
10:40<scootergrisen>I dont even remember how i installed lampp
10:40<sney>presumably, you downloaded their .run file and executed it
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10:41<scootergrisen>Can i just delete the lampp folder in /opt/lampp/?
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10:41<sney>most likely yes
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10:42<jmcnaught>scootergrisen: you might want to backup any databases or apache document roots before deleting it.
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10:43<scootergrisen>775 MB :X
10:43<jmcnaught>scootergrisen: that is, if this /opt/lampp stuff is keeping its mysql database somewhere in /opt/lampp for example.
10:43<themill>hope it didn't leave lots of crap in other places too
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10:44<sney>scootergrisen: your first question was about starting the mysql service, have you actually started using this package or were you just getting started
10:44<sney>+1 themill
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10:45<scootergrisen>Well i did manage to use phpmyadmin in the web browser, but then at the same time the terminal tells be that mysql is not running
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10:45<scootergrisen>So i guess i have 2 x mysql
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10:58<diefi>ho do I add an bug report to a package? In my case specifically its about "gvfs". 1.22 that is currently beeing used in stable has a bug where gvfs-open does not open the file if the application that is associated to the file is activatable via DBus, then gvfs-open needs to wait until the activation is complete, otherwise the dbus daemon will drop the message "open this URI" on the floor as soon as gvfs-open quits. This is the bug report:
10:58<diefi> and its supposedly fixed in 1.28
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11:05<scootergrisen>How do i start and stop apache correctly?
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11:06<duclicsic>scootergrisen: almost every service you install on debian is started and stopped by systemd
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11:06<duclicsic>scootergrisen: you generally do 'systemctl start service'
11:06<duclicsic>scootergrisen: e.g. systemctl start apache2
11:07<duclicsic>scootergrisen: some software, apache being one of them, will have their own method of starting/stopping the daemon. it's best to avoid these and do things the debian way.
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11:09<scootergrisen>Is Debian like Windows where you have to restart after installing some programs?
11:09<scootergrisen>I get "Failed to start apache2.service: Unit apache2.service failed to load: No such file or directory."
11:09<duclicsic>scootergrisen: no it isn't
11:10<duclicsic>scootergrisen: have you actually installed apache?
11:10<jmcnaught>scootergrisen: if you're still using the third party lampp bundle that you installed in /opt then you'll need to refer to its documentation or remove it as suggested earlier
11:10<sney>scootergrisen: 'apache2.service' doesn't exist because you installed it via that lampp thing instead of through the debian packages. once again, please remove lampp and install the software correctly
11:10<scootergrisen>I did "sudo apt-get install apache2"
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11:10<duclicsic>ok, did that succeed without throwing any errors?
11:11<scootergrisen>I think it might have been installed a long time.
11:11<duclicsic>scootergrisen: try 'service apache2 start'
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11:12<scootergrisen>Failed to start apache2.service: Unit apache2.service failed to load: No such file or directory.
11:12<duclicsic>you are running debian stable yes?
11:13<duclicsic>running these commands as root?
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11:13<scootergrisen>yeah with sudo
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11:14<duclicsic>scootergrisen: how about 'which apache2'
11:14<scootergrisen> /usr/sbin/apache2
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11:15<duclicsic>my suggestion would be to completely remove and reinstall apache
11:15<duclicsic>something seems a bit broken there
11:16<duclicsic>not sure how you've managed to install it without creating all service definitions etc
11:16<duclicsic>but do remove all that rubbish in /opt/lampp also
11:16<duclicsic>and install whatever components you need using apt
11:16<scootergrisen> /opt is empty
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11:19<avalenn>scootergrisen: apt purge apache2 apache2-bin apache2-data apache2-utils && apt install apache2
11:20<scootergrisen>Says it will uninstall apache2* apache2-bin* apache2-data* apache2-utils* gnome-core* gnome-user-share* libapache2-mod-dnssd* libapache2-mod-wsgi* task-gnome-desktop*
11:21<scootergrisen>Thats not good is it?
11:21<scootergrisen>I properly need to restart Debian some time
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11:25<scootergrisen>I mean reinstall Debian
11:25<duclicsic>scootergrisen: try doing that purge without apache2-bin
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11:25<duclicsic>are you using gnome?
11:25<duclicsic>how old is this debian install?
11:26<sney>gnome-core and task-gnome-desktop are just metapackages, they don't contain any software. and gnome-user-share isn't a vital component. you could just let it do that removal and it should be ok
11:26<scootergrisen>ok it just sounded important.. gnome-core
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11:28<sney>if it was removing all of gnome, you'd see a much longer list of packages
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11:28<scootergrisen>now i can run systemctl and service
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11:29<scootergrisen>I dont get any output in the terminal though
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11:30<sney>if a service starts successfully it doesn't usually produce any output. you can 'service foo status' to see the status
11:31<scootergrisen>Ok thanks i will play with it some more. I cant seem to stop it right now
11:32<scootergrisen>Maybe the old server is still running i dont know
11:32<sney>unlikely but if you reboot that'll clear anything weird out of memory
11:33<scootergrisen>My localhost website is working but i cant see apache / https in the systemsuvalience
11:34<scootergrisen>Maybe the system dont show apache2 for my normal user account
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11:35<sney>apache2 will run as the 'www' user, so if you're watching processes through some gnome utility it might not show it
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11:37<scootergrisen>Should i be able to see it with "sudo ps -e"?
11:38<aeb>shouldn't need sudo
11:38<scootergrisen>I got some /opt/lampp/bin/. Can it still run even though the file is not there anymore?
11:39<blast007>yes, if it was still running when you deleted it
11:40<scootergrisen>Ok i thought that was not possible
11:40<blast007>is there a reason you can't reboot?
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11:40<scootergrisen>I managed to kill it
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11:40<scootergrisen>Reboot what?
11:40<scootergrisen>I can reboot
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11:42<sney>scootergrisen: running programs exist in memory, even if they are not present on the disk anymore. memory gets cleared on reboot. so if you think there might still be some processes running from your lampp install, you should reboot to be on the safe side
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11:45<aeb>to be exact, running programs keep existing on disk, even if you rm/replace them. The kernel deletes files at its own discretion, users can only unlink directory entries.
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11:51<teatime>duclicsic: ifupdown remembers which addrs it added and won't remove others to down a link, so when you change the config you have to remove them manually
11:52<teatime>duclicsic: I wonder if he might not have been getting 'File exists' because of the route that gets auto-added when you configure an addr on an iface, since he had the same subnet on two of them, it would be two of the same routes...
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11:52<teatime>I dunno if it actually behaves like that or not, I can't remember the last time I might have tried doing that.
11:52<teatime>oh, but no, he said adding it manually would work. so *shrug*
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12:44<rled>Hi! Anyone use Google Drive from command line?
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12:44<sypher>rled: There are a few projects out there, but none really work well.
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12:45<rled>sypher: cool. thanks.
12:45<sypher>rled: Wish I could be of more help. :/
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15:20<sqredreaper>does anyone here use debian on a macbook pro?
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15:21<sypher>sqredreaper: Probably better to just state your issue.
15:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:21<sqredreaper>its not better ive been here for the past 3 days looking for help not only here but mint and ubuntu as well.
15:21<sqredreaper>so i just need someone with the same hardware as myself
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15:22<sqredreaper>not to be rude just been through a lot of back and fourth with people that don't understand how apple has two gpu's on their laptops
15:23<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: my opinion is the reason you've had so much difficulty getting help is the low level of detail you keep providing, you just keep coming back asking for help with macs on debian without providing clear info on what steps you've tried
15:23<jmcnaught>sqredreaper: anyways you might want to lookup vgaswitcheroo
15:23<sqredreaper>i provided plenty of info and got further last night
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15:24<sqredreaper>the peoblem is i cannot boot with a cd like the help page advises because i don't have a superdrive any more
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15:24<sqredreaper>not to mention i keep switching distros
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15:26<sqredreaper>read the first few lines on here
15:26<sqredreaper>its the same for every distro
15:29<sney>you could try asking on the debian-user mailing list, it's a different group of helpers somewhat. though if you keep giving vague details and not following up with stuff you tried you're still going to get substandard support.
15:30<sney>you said you work in support, right? how good is your support when users tell you vague things and answer questions with what they think you want to hear, rather than what you actually asked? :P
15:30<sqredreaper>i assume everyone is lying and they all use windows
15:30<sqredreaper>i hate people talking anyways i like to keep it short and sweet
15:30<sypher>sqredreaper: Given that I run Jessie on a 2014 rMBP, it DOES work, but I've only ever gotten it to work by forcing the NVIDIA GPU.
15:31<sypher>sqredreaper: But you seem to think that we all somehow know everything you've discussed previously, and we don't.
15:31<sqredreaper>i dont have nvidia on the 2011 its radeon
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15:32<sqredreaper>well i suppose this is a good of time to learn to modify a kernel
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15:34<sqredreaper>i hate typing this out i'd much rather talk in person
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15:48<lavamind>hello, I'd like to know why updating php5 makes apache switch to mpm_prefork
15:48<lavamind>from mpm_worker, in my case
15:48<jmcnaught>lavamind: how are you updating php5? can you show a transcript in a paste?
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15:49<lavamind>jmcnaught: using apt-get upgrade
15:49<lavamind>and yes
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15:52<jmcnaught>lavamind: libapache2-mod-php5 is only safe to use with mpm-prefork, can you use php5-fpm and mod_proxy_fcgi instead?
15:52<lavamind>jmcnaught: I have switched to mpm_worker and php5-fpm some time ago
15:53<lavamind>that said, I haven't uninstalled libapache2-mod-php5
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15:55<lavamind>jmcnaught: I see a bug has already been filed about this,
15:55<judd>Bug in apache2-dev (open): «libapache2-mod-php5: changes apache MPM event if disabled»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-09-21; last modified: 2015-09-23.
15:56<jmcnaught>lavamind: ahh... if you remove the libapache2-mod-php5 package does it want to remove anything else?
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15:57<lavamind>jmcnaught: no, it doesn't -- seems like the sensible solution for now
15:57<jmcnaught>if you don't have the module enabled, you don't need it installed
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15:59<lavamind>that said, I think the maintainer agrees that the mpm auto switch is an issue that should be fixed
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15:59<lavamind>thanks for you r help!
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16:00<p0rk0ff>just out of curiosity, how debian deals with upstream forks? i mean, if there is a forked version of a software which users may find "better", is it kept tho original or the new one? and who propose to switch to it? any documentation to read on the subject?
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16:08<Hesulan>p0rk0ff: Debian certainly pulls in new forks and projects, but *only* if they conform to the community guidelines on free-and-open-source-ness (I know there's a doc on those somewhere, but can't remember the url). However, Debian is also known for being stable, almost to a point of excess. As such, any major changes or replacements are hotly debated by everyone involved for a long time, before and after
16:08<Hesulan>implementation. (Systemd, I'm looking at you...)
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16:12<Hesulan>p0rk0ff: Debian social contract: - as far as I know, pretty much anything that meets those criteria and is superior to what's currently in the distro is fair game.
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16:13<sney>see xchat/hexchat for an example of a commonly used piece of software that was forked and adopted by debian
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16:14<p0rk0ff>Hesulan, thx.. but given the compliance to debian guidlines, can a fork be be proposed to replace the original version, can they coexist? and any user can propose that apporting the right motivations?
16:14<p0rk0ff>sney, thx, that is a good example
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16:15<sney>as far as replacing or coexisting, that's case by case and depends on a lot of factors. but anything is up for discussion as long as all the licensing etc. is kosher and there's enough of a user base
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16:16<p0rk0ff>sney, sure
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16:16<sney>nagios3 and icinga coexist in the archive despite one being a fork of the other, and having the same purpose and working with the same plugins, etc
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16:17<Hesulan>p0rk0ff: It depends. In the case of core components (like systemd), they're usually replaced as default, but users usually still have the *option* to remove the new and install the old (like sysvinit). With non-core packages, they're usually both put in the repo for people to choose between.
16:19<p0rk0ff>thank you, i thought it was more chaotic, but it's quite linear
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16:24<jim>Hi... I'm looking to complete a music production and writing suite, and I'm at the beginning stages of setting it up... right now, I'm trying to get pulse and jack to coexist (and the audio generated by pulse to go thru jack then to alsa driver)... I understand I need a bridge for that?
16:25<sney>freenode #jack would probably know better
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16:26<jim>ok, I happen tobe on that channel already, I know debianuser is there, maybe he can help
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16:27<jim>sney, asking here, because I figure since it's debian I'm running, someone can clue me into either what packages or what to read
16:28<sney>that's fair but #debian is usually for more general help and audio gets very complicated very easily
16:28<sney>at a guess, maybe there are clues in the ardour source code as well?
16:28<jim>that;s what I'[m afraid of
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16:29<jim>I'm not at the point yet where I'm installing apps though. right now, I'm just focused on jack and pulse
16:30<jim>I built ardour before
16:30<sney>the suggestion is to look at the ardour _source_ because they have already solved that problem. so you can maybe learn from them instead of reinventing the wheel.
16:30<sney>this is one of the great things about open source.
16:30<jmcnaught>jim: it will probably involve the pulseaudio-module-jack package, but i think a lot of people just work around this by using pasuspender
16:31<jim>so, the workaround is just to kill pulse while I'm using jack?
16:32<jim>and, I think I installed that yesterday...
16:33<jim>sney, where in the source might I find those comments (I guess they're comments...(
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16:39<jim>jmcnaught, yeah, it's already installed... I could try rebooting? (yes, I get "mouse moved, you shoudl restart" messages...)
16:41<jmcnaught>jim: i don't know how to configure it exactly, but i imagine it will be something close to
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16:45<jim>thank you, I'm on that
16:46<jim>what's dbus
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16:48<terrible>hey i have problem with the audio in debian jessie there is not audio all of any help??
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16:50<jim>terrible, heh. if you look at alsamixer, do you see pulse?
16:52<terrible>jim, yes alsamixer the volume is already up
16:52<terrible>here the output of dmesg
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16:54<jim>I'm trying to solve a similar problem... in my case I'm trying to get pulseaudio and jack to coexist
16:54<jim>terrible, so I may or may not be able to help with your issue...
16:54<jmcnaught>jim: did you also look at ? i also wanted to add that any solution that involves installing stuff not in the Debian repos is not worth using
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16:55<terrible>jim, how can i know what iam using pulse audio or alsa??
16:55<jim>jmcnaught, right. which is why I'm doing things like building cadence and the rest of the kxstudio packages in debian, so they can be included someday
16:56<jim>(recently built the cadence packages, they seem to work)
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16:57<jim>terrible, what is it that's generating audio (that you don't hear)?
16:57<jim>also F6 in alsamixer can be handy
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16:58<jmcnaught>jim: i don't know why that guide says to replace qjackctl with cadence, but did you try using the pulseaudio module for jack without getting sidetracked by building cadence?
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16:59<terrible>so anyone can help me??
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17:00<jmcnaught>terrible: are you using GNOME or KDE? Is there a sound settings? If not can you look at pavucontrol?
17:01<terrible>jmcnaught, i using xfce
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17:03<jim>sidetracked, no... it's part of my main goal to rebuild the kxstudio packages, when I installed them, they worked very well... but noticed the words "trusty" and "lucid" when the packages were downloading... I got rid of them, and am now looking to get them to work again, by rebuilding the packages on a debian system.'
17:03<jmcnaught>terrible: it may or may not have some sort of sound/audio settings in its settings menu/application. check that the default output is correct, often the HDMI on your video card gets selected
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17:03<jim>it's not a side track, it's the main track :)
17:04<jmcnaught>ahh i see, i misunderstood your goals
17:06<terrible>jmcnaught, i just fix the problem in the setting audio menu i select pulse audio and the song come is that ok to use pulse audio i new so i dont know my best choice
17:07<jmcnaught>terrible: pulseaudio is what most people want to use, ignore outdated advice to remove it (there is some anti pulseaudio FUD out there)
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17:08<jim>well there is the subgoal, which you understand correctly, I think
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17:09<terrible>so this is the channels for debian right i mean iam in the right place??
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17:11<somiaj>terrible: yes this is a user support channel for debian release (testing/unstable should use #debian-next)
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17:12<terrible>somiaj, ok good so until when debian jessie will be supported??
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17:14<jim>stated explicitly, my goals are... overall, I want to get the kxstudio packages into a shape they can be installed, which means rebuilding them on a debian system... and the present subgoal, to get pulseaudio to work correctly with jack... which may require me to look at the cadence config, since it is what I'm using to start jack... or the pulseaudio config. maybe I'm missing that I need to restart pulse
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17:17<jim>and if restarting pulse -is- what's necessary, -maybe- what I need is two pulse configs, one to have it send to jack, and the other, directly to alsa... and, to be able to select which one I need at the time'
17:19<jim>which leads me to the question... how does pulse (and other things) get started at *dm login?
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17:19<jim>presently running kde.
17:19<jmcnaught>jim: i don't think pasuspender restarts or kills pulseaudio, it just gets it to release the soundcard temporarily
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17:19<somiaj>terrible: the date is a bit unknown. Standard support is one year after the next release (as old stable). The last two releases have then had squeeze-lts and wheezy-lts that support speicfic server side packages for a few years after support for oldstable drops
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17:20<somiaj>terrible: so recent release have been supported for servers about 3 years after the next release, and stretch freezes next year, and the release might be a year to two off (time escapes me, so it is a rough guess)
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17:21<jim>ok, so, when I "force restart" of jack using the cadence button, it does restart jack, but pulse disappears
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17:21<jim>and my audio goes away till I do restart it
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19:59*grummund notices that when apt-get upgrades a library (libgd2-noxpm), the service that depends on this (nginx) is not restarted.
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20:01<grummund>it seems odd, does the package management have no way to acheive this or is it not needed?
20:02<jmcnaught>grummund: there's a needrestart package that integrates with apt/dpkg. there's also a checkrestart command in debian-goodies
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20:02<jmcnaught>i have not used the needrestart package, i'm just aware of it
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20:06<grummund>jmcnaught: thanks
20:06<grummund>so perhaps the nginx package fails to make this hook?
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20:08<jmcnaught>grummund: are you using the needrestart package?
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20:28<frtorres-nuc>hi all
20:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:39<grummund>jmcnaught: i see thanks. then it's not up to nginx to do this itself.
20:39<artrura>I've been trying out the various desktop interfaces and I have to say I like LXDE the best so far. I really couldn't get into GNOME much at all
20:39<artrura>I really don't like the whole full screen list of apps thing. I much prefer the minimalism
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20:55<diefi>artrura you can change it
20:57<jmcnaught>grummund: no. personally i prefer to run checkrestart but if you're managing a lot of servers and you have monitoring then having stuff get restarted automatically might be preferable
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21:06<artrura>I figured you could change it. I just haven't looked into the settings to beat GNOME into submission yet
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21:50<djb>hey guys
21:50<djb>I installed debian not to long ago and loving it.
21:51*abrotman waits for the "but..."
21:51<djb>I have an issue where my external monitor that is connect to my laptop is not detected
21:51<djb>until I had the function keys to project it
21:51<abrotman>djb: I don't think that's abnormal ?
21:52<abrotman>perhaps I'm wrong ..
21:52<djb>so its not detected upon logging in..its just black and doesnt get detected
21:53<djb>unlike other distros where it is detected..anyone else run into similiar issues..
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21:54<djb>I have to hit the function + l f8 or something like that and have to mess around with in order for it to project
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22:05<diefi>what gpu and drivers do you use?
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