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---Logopened Fri May 20 00:00:23 2016
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00:05<vortek>my screen always blanks and i turned off power saver and screen saver, any ideas?
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00:11<awwwal>vortek, xset
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00:15<vortek>i tried that
00:15<vortek>xset b off i tried
00:15<vortek>awwwal: did i type the command wrong
00:17<awwwal>vortek, :) "b" is for bell
00:17<vortek>that web page told me to do the wrong thing
00:17<awwwal>run xset -dpms and xset s off
00:18<awwwal>or just xset -dpms s off
00:18<vortek>yeah i did then also
00:18<vortek>them i mean
00:19<vortek>i did them as root, do i need to do them as user?
00:19<awwwal>as root no, do that as user :P
00:20<vortek>ahh theres the prob :) thanxs
00:22<vortek> now do i have to type these every reboot?
00:23<awwwal>vortek, xset was just a suggestion. your issue may came from I dont know what
00:23<awwwal>which DM/WM are you using?
00:23<vortek>not sure of the dm
00:23<awwwal>DE I meant ( desktop environment
00:24<vortek>not sure
00:25<awwwal>lol, ok. you are using a window manager (WM), icewm. just icewm? or gnome, kde....+ icewm?
00:25<vortek>just icewm
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00:26<awwwal>I dont know about icewm world, i use openbox. icewm may use an autostart/startup file. check that and just add that command to that file (xset -dpms s off &)
00:27<vortek>i changed the power savings in icewm and and screensaver settings wih no luck i changed them with the ivewm gui
00:27<awwwal>thats for avoid runing it on every login. or just run it when you need it
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00:30<awwwal>dont forget & (even if for a single execution/instant execution & is not really needed - but that depends on how icewm works). better append & at the end
00:31<vortek>does that just run it as a background process?
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00:33<awwwal>process isn't the correct naming for that but anyway it executed just once
00:33<warsoul>hi guys have a question
00:33<vortek>whats the & do
00:33<warsoul>i have seen in some desktop screenshot some image in desktop of the cpu information like in the wallpaper
00:34<warsoul>how can i do that in debian
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00:35<awwwal>vortek, each time you login in your icewm session xset -dpms s off or add xset -dpms s off & to the relevant file . thats all :) check man xset
00:36<vortek>ok , thanxs man
00:37<awwwal>in that context & backgrounds the "process"
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00:39<vortek>but how can i make it were i don't have to run the command every time i retsart the computer?
00:39<awwwal>warsoul, probably that's conky
00:39<awwwal>vortek, I already told you that
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00:41<awwwal>warsoul, apt-get update && apt-get install conky-all
00:42<vortek>ohh sorry , thanxs
00:43<warsoul>something like this more or less
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00:45<warsoul>awwwal done
00:45<warsoul>how do i run it
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00:46<awwwal>vortek, or I dont use icewm, so cant be sure about it
00:49<awwwal>warsoul, in terminal conky &
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00:49<awwwal>google config files and check conky manuals
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00:54<awwwal>warsoul, I guess you want something like ?
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00:55<awwwal>dont waste your time. the default configuration file shows you all what a normal user needs. thats my opinion
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00:57<awwwal>gkrellm is more user friendly and a better software..
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03:37<guardian>hello, wheezy has ruby 2.1 which reached EOL. Is there a way to keep using wheezy and have ruby 2.2 or more?
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04:02<grove>guardian: Why don't you just upgrade? Wheezy is quite old, and Jessie was released more than a year ago
04:03<jim>guardian, wheezy will reach eol as well, as it's no longer latest stable... what's special about wheezy that you're not going to upgrade
04:06<jim>guardian, wheezy is going to be removed from the mirrors at some point
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04:08<guardian>fair enough
04:08<guardian>jessie offers ruby 2.1
04:09<guardian>I meant jessie
04:09<jim>by what?
04:09<guardian>wheezy offers ruby 1.9
04:09<guardian>jessie offers ruby 2.1
04:09<guardian>ruby 2.1 just reached EOL
04:10<guardian>lots of ruby software is dropping suport for ruby 2.1 because EOL has been reached
04:10<jim>, v ruby
04:10<judd>Package: ruby on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.5; wheezy: 1:1.9.3; jessie: 1:2.1.5+deb8u2; stretch: 1:2.3.0+4; sid: 1:2.3.0+4
04:11<jim>you could backport from stretch... it doesn't look like there are already ruby backports
04:11<jim>what version of debian are you running now?
04:12<jim>oh, so then all you need (probably) is the backport
04:13<guardian>do you know whether there will be an official backport?
04:13<jim>all this time I thought you were running wheezy... but since you're running jessie, you're ok for awhile
04:14<jim>dunno... but they're not hard to build
04:14<guardian>yeah that was a typo, I meant jessie but wrote wheezy :(
04:14<jim>if later there comes a backport, it's easy to adopt
04:17<jim>do you want info about how to do the backport?
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04:33<guardian>yes please
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04:35<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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05:10<twb>Is it possible to disable XTEST extension, without recompiling Xorg
05:10<twb>The context is - XTEST is a trivial way to inject input into another window
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05:11<twb>(Obviously this is not an actual fix, just a very partial mitigation.)
05:12<twb>From the manpage, looks like you can just do this: >etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/noxtest.conf printf 'Section "Extensions"\nOption "XTEST" "false"\nEndSection\n'
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05:16<petn-randall>twb: It's only one way to fsck with X11 applications. The gist of it is to accelerate adoption of Wayland (or *shudder* MIR), where the problem doesn't exist.
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05:18<twb>petn-randall: yeah, I understand that. But I can roll this change out TODAY while I wait for the budget to migrate everything to wayland
05:19<twb>In the same way that ASLR doesn't fix problems, but it cheap and easy, so might as well do it
05:19<petn-randall>twb: good point
05:19<petn-randall>twb: I'm curious about possible problems it produces, so let me know.
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05:20<scootergrisen>How do i backup the important files i Debian when i want to reinstall Debian and i want to not change the ownership of the files?
05:21<scootergrisen>If i log ind as root all the files seem to change ownership to root
05:21<salih-emin>scootergrisen, define = important files
05:21<salih-emin>system or user files ?
05:22<scootergrisen>Just so i dont have to setup everything again
05:22<petn-randall>scootergrisen: What kind of filesystem is this? Ownership of files shouldn't change with which user you are logged in as.
05:22<scootergrisen>Is i log in as root and cp a folder. the new folder has ownership of root it seems
05:22<twb>petn-randall: if i remember, and $boss approves the testing ;-P
05:23<scootergrisen>I see a lock icon on the folder in nautilus with the normal user
05:23<twb>Hm, I can probably just do it now
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05:24<salih-emin>scootergrisen, you lack some info on ownership and using root account. You should never use root if not neccesary
05:24<petn-randall>scootergrisen: Oh, you are *copying* files. They always take the ownership of the user that created them. cp has the option -a for that (check the man page for details).
05:24<grove>scootergrisen: Use the -p option to cp, or use a better way to backup things
05:24<scootergrisen>How can i backup the files if not root?
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05:25<scootergrisen>What is the best way to make backup?
05:25<salih-emin>scootergrisen, just use backintime
05:26<salih-emin>I personally use it and never had a problem
05:26<salih-emin>It ideal for your file on your home folder
05:26<SynrGy>there is no "best" way. different solutions solve different problems
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05:26<SynrGy>i.e. not everyone has the same backup needs
05:27<salih-emin>SynrGy, +1
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05:28<SynrGy>scootergrisen: the best solution is not necessarily a matter of which software you choose. the best backups are the ones that are timely, reliable, redundant, offsite ...
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05:28<scootergrisen>Also i found after i use cp that it did not take the hidden files
05:29<SynrGy>your backups will only be as good as the weakest link. most naive backup solutions are deficient in one or more areas.
05:29<petn-randall>scootergrisen: Do a little research, and pick the tool that suits you best. Questions you should ask yourself are: Do I want a GUI? Should the backups run automated in regular intervals? Where do I want to backup the data to (an external HDD, a network storage, the "cloud", etc.)? How many backups do I want to keep? How much storage will I need for it?
05:29<SynrGy>you may *think* your data is secure, but when the shit hits the fan and you go back and find your backup is missing or unusable, you'll be screwed
05:29<petn-randall>scootergrisen: It's a little work initially, but if you do it right you don't have to think about it much ever again after that.
05:30<twb>SynrGy: I like Linus' backup strategy best- write something interested, and wait for other people to make copies ;-P
05:30<SynrGy>twb: trouble is, nobody is interested in your baby photos
05:31<twb>Thank goodness for that
05:31<petn-randall>"baby" photos
05:31<SynrGy>but if your philosophy is "nothing that is not of value to others is of value to me", that works well
05:32<SynrGy>petn-randall: yes, you picked up on it being a proxy :)
05:32<twb>Oh, I thought you meant the sort that my grandma has on her wall
05:32<twb>Not the sort that the GCHQ got indicted for stealing off yahoo video chat
05:33<petn-randall>I just assumed adding quotes makes everything funnier. Like "backups", or employee must "wash hands".
05:33<petn-randall>Either way, we should scoot over to #debian-offtopic.
05:33<SynrGy>well, identifying criteria for selecting what to backup is topical
05:34<twb>scootergrisen: what is the backup defending against? Hardware failure, operator error, or disaster?
05:34<twb>scootergrisen: you need different strategies for each
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05:34<scootergrisen>I just want to reinstall Debian from new
05:34<twb>e.g. RAID + rsnapshot + offsite backups
05:35<scootergrisen>Because the system is messed up
05:35<twb>scootergrisen: OK so where does "backup" come into this?
05:35<SynrGy>i still prefer to explain why most people's backups are just a hair's breadth away from total disaster.
05:35<scootergrisen>And then i wanted to save the settings so i dont have to setup Debian again
05:35<scootergrisen>I dont know
05:35<twb>Ah OK.
05:36<twb>I would either install to a new hard disk or partition, or create a .squashfs archive of the current system
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05:36<SynrGy>read it, then read the horror stories on the Wailing Wall
05:36<SynrGy>(linked at the end)
05:36<twb>You could just make a copy of /etc, but then you'll realize there's some other part you forgot to record
05:37<scootergrisen>How do i make cp take hidden files as well?
05:37<petn-randall>scootergrisen: Did you check the man page yet?
05:37<petn-randall>scootergrisen: Specifically the -a option, as I mentioned earlier.
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05:38<SynrGy>but paying attention to what your top level argument(s) is/are
05:39<SynrGy>if you have top-level directories that are dot-directories, specify them explicitly
05:39<SynrGy>directories and/or files
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05:39<SynrGy>i.e. don't expect a shell glob to pick them up. it won't.
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05:49<twb>petn-randall: with XTEST disabled, XFCE4.10 appears to be working, chromium, LO5, thunar all open and don't complain
05:50<twb>Not sure yet how to list other extensions.
05:50<scootergrisen>How can i ignore a folder with cp so i copy all execpt a specif folder?
05:51<SynrGy>explicitly list the folders you want to copy
05:51<SynrGy>or use find
05:51<themill>or use rsync
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05:54<twb>petn-randall: aha! This lists them: Xorg -extension '?'
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05:57<grawity>bit unfortunate that "injecting input to another window" is exactly what on-screen keyboards and some other accessibility tools need to do. :|
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05:59<twb>Although ATM the closest to that I'm shipping is ir-keytable
05:59<twb>I have a feeling I also use XTEST somewhere to forcibly close a window, by e.g. pretending to type Alt+F4, but I can't find that code
06:00<twb>Oh- I bet that was in the irda code that got replaced by ir-keytable
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06:07<jm_>heh I actually use xtest on one of our systems via perl script to automate vpn start via browser :P
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06:11<petn-randall>jm_: What? How? Why?
06:12<jm_>petn-randall: don't ask, it's some java shit from juniper to start vpn
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06:26<grawity>jm_: oh, doesn't openconnect support that?
06:27<jm_>grawity: yeah tried to get it going, but it supports old style auth but not new yet or somesuch
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07:13<vortek>whats a program with a gui to burn moviews to a dvd disk to e played in dvd player?
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07:16<twb>vortek: movie DVDs are UDF filesystems with a bunch of video files
07:16<twb>vortek: the UDF part I know about, but not the video part.
07:17<jm_>I remember lwn had a comparison of dvd authoring tools a while ago, try finding that
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07:20<twb>Can't see it in the last 1000 articles
07:21<twb>That is quite a while ago :-)
07:21<petn-randall>Yeah, that might not be current after 8 years ... :)
07:21<jm_>yeah didn't think it would be that far ago
07:22<petn-randall>That's like a hundred in IT years
07:22<themill>'dvdauthor' and 'dvdstyler' are the two I have touched in the past; probably better tools these days
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07:22<twb>vortek: do you already have a finished video, or what?
07:23<twb>"I bittorrented this movie, now I have an .avi. How do I watch it on my TV" ?
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08:10<mdlpe>hi, I made a folder in my user account, add a partition to this folder in fstab. If I copy my user in a external drive this include this partition
08:10<mdlpe>or is it better to make a folder outside the in /home (not /home/user) and make a hard link ?
08:10<mdlpe>**outside /home/user but in /home
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08:11<twb>mdlpe: I don't understand. What is your goal?
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08:12<mdlpe>twb, sorry. I added a partition for picture/vidéo from an other hard drive to my linux system
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08:12<mdlpe>I made a folder to mount this partion in /home/myuser
08:13<twb>OK, I do not think it matters where you put it
08:13<jm_>yeah probably better to do it that way or copy with cp -x or similar
08:13<mdlpe>added it on the fstab and I can access to it directly from dolphin /folder
08:13<twb>I would normally mount it somewhere like /srv/videos
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08:14<mdlpe>my question is : is it better to mount this partition directly in /home/user or to mount it in /home and make a link in /home/user
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08:16<mdlpe>or is-it the same result
08:16<twb>mdlpe: you are the only user?
08:16<twb>does not matter
08:16<mdlpe>ok, thanks
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08:17<mdlpe>I think if I want to backup my /home/user with tar, tar included this partition ?
08:18<twb>I do not understand. tar will archive whatever files you tell it to
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08:19<twb>If you say "tar -zcf /home/mdlpe.tgz /home/mdlpe/ it will archive everything in /home/mdlpe/
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08:23<trump>does debian installation have a repair tool?
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08:24<molten>What do you think by "repair tool"?
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08:25<trump>hopfully a magical program that will fix my issue
08:25<twb>I'm picturing those video games where you "repair" a tank by smacking the armour with a wrench
08:25<twb>trump: first you must find out what the issue is
08:25<trump>that would be perfect
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08:25<twb>trump: this is called "fault isolation"
08:26<trump>error: too many symbolic links
08:26<twb>OK, this is when you run "ln"?
08:26<trump>its when i try to start terminal and chrome
08:27<twb>That is odd
08:27<twb>Can you log in as another user, such as root?
08:27<twb>We need a terminal to debug
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08:28<trump>i got a terminal up, but bash seems wonky. like something in bashrc is screwy
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08:28<twb>First thing to try is looking for symlinks
08:28<trump>hm, yeah no root access.
08:28<twb>find ~ -maxdepth 3 -type l
08:29<twb>something like that
08:29<twb>I suspect you will see thousands of symlinks in some place, caused by a broken script
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08:30<twb>#define ELOOP 40 /* Too many symbolic links encountered */
08:31<twb>...the other thing it could be is a symlink that points to itself
08:31<twb>That's what the "loop" is hinting at
08:31<trump>ran that command, nothing really odd popped up
08:31<twb>How about this:
08:31<twb>Those are red because they're "broken".
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08:32<twb>We can try that
08:32<twb>find -L ~ -xdev -xdev -type l
08:32<twb>The -L tells find to follow symlinks, so anything that *still* a symlink afterwards, is a BROKEN symlink
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08:35<twb>You migh want to put "timeout 5" in front, in case we screw up - that will make the program exit if it's still running after 5 seconds
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08:38<trump>aight just ran find -L ~ -xdev -xdev -type l
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08:39<blu>hi guys. I have a client that works for banks and stuff and he wants us to only access his servers with every command logged with a timestamp. I'd preferably also save the output the CLI gave us. Whats the most nifty tool for this task?
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08:44<twb>blu: is this "tickbox compliance" or do you actually want it done right?
08:44<twb>blu: the simple answer is to e.g. "just use sudo, which logs each command"
08:45<blu>twb, i want it done right
08:46<blu>i found this: which looks like the direction i'm going (script tool)
08:46<blu>(as in the tool is called "script", seems a bash builtin)
08:47<twb>yeah but obviously if you want to bypass the logging, you can just rm the script output
08:48<twb>"done right" means you need to have audit logs generated by the kernel and written to write-only media; it's a real pain
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09:03<trump>hm i think i learned my lesson, make backups before fiddling lol
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09:38<Administrator>I have installed Debian but during boot i get a image telling be "Oh no..." and i have to contact system administrator. I belive the problem is the graphic card and driver
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09:39<Administrator>I think i should have "firmware-linux-nonfree libgl7-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati" and i seem to have that expect the 7 is a 1
09:39<twb>I don't think "libgl7" is normal
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09:40<twb>libgl1-mesa-dri is the correct name for the package in jessie (Debian 8)
09:40<Administrator>If i try to run apt-get update i get i message about https and maybe i need a package called apt-something-https
09:40<twb>It provides accelerated graphics code for some video cards
09:40<Administrator>So what can i do to boot Debian?
09:42<twb>I'm not familiar with that message, but I guess it is from gnome3?
09:42<Administrator>no i cant start gnome
09:42<twb>Maybe you can install XFCE or thingy instead
09:43<Administrator>I dont want to install XFCE
09:43<twb>the one pcman made...
09:43<Administrator>I just want to boot Debian
09:43<twb>Administrator: if the message is not from gnome, what is it from?
09:43<towo`>then install the firmware for your graphics card
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09:43<Administrator>It seems to be installed
09:43<towo`>gnome needs accellerated 3d to run
09:44<towo`>"it seems" is saying zero
09:44<Administrator>I used apt-cache policy to check firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati and it says installed
09:44<twb>Then maybe your card is not supported
09:45<twb>!ati > Administrator
09:45<dpkg>Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on
09:46<Administrator>I dont think i have installed fglrx before where GNOME worked
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09:46<lindi->Administrator: can you post your /etc/apt/sources.list file to ? https:// errors when running apt-get sound weird
09:47<Administrator>maybe firewall?
09:48<lindi->Administrator: ?
09:48<Administrator>I'm botted in windows now so i cant chat and reboot in linux at the same time
09:48<lindi->that makes it very hard to support indeed
09:49<lindi->Administrator: but default configuration definitely does not have https:// urls in sources.list so maybe you are using something else than debian?
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09:50<Administrator>no i checked the sources file used http without s
09:50<Administrator>What can i try when i reboot in linux?
09:52<Administrator>Is fglrx installed normally?
09:52<Administrator>Maybe i should remove fglrx?
09:52<musca>fglrx in jessie isn'T compatible with gnome.
09:53<Administrator>So maybe its using that and thats the reason its not working
09:53<Administrator>But i dont know if its installed
09:54<Administrator>Are the any difference in using "deb ..." vs. "deb
09:54<lindi->Administrator: you want both
09:55<Maulkin>Administrator: Use both.
09:55<Maulkin>Oh,a nd it's
09:55<Maulkin>not .net
09:55<Administrator>I will reboot and try some more
09:55<Administrator>thanks so far
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10:18<scootergrisen>Its me (Administrator) again
10:18<scootergrisen>How can i setup the WI-FI from the terminal?
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10:19<scootergrisen>I dont think i saw a list during Debian install where i could select if i want to install GNOME and so on... should i have seen that?
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10:20<scootergrisen>I'm thinking something might have gone wrong during install since i cant boot GNOME
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10:21<scootergrisen>If fglrx is not compatible with GNOME can i just remove it or is there any reason to keep it?
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10:22<musca>A plain debian install will use the free radeon driver which needs the firmware-linux-nonfree package.
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10:23<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I installed ffmpeg and smplayer here, ffmpeg was the first one, and now, when I was going to install 'kdenlive', I received the following message:
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10:25<babilen> is probably what you are looking for
10:25<R4F_Debian>I used option 'expert install' - opted to include non-free repositories here, installation was fine
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10:25<R4F_Debian>Why it is happening such a thing to my new Debian installation ?
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10:26<themill>dpkg: tell R4F_Debian about bat
10:26<R4F_Debian>oh, Hi themill, ok, thanks !
10:27<scootergrisen>There is a terminal command to see a list of things you want to install and remove like GNOME and Xcfe... what is the name of that command?
10:28<musca>scootergrisen: tasksel
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10:29<musca>ermm, remove?
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10:34<R4F_Debian>I just installed these two packages, and had error message about 'kdenlive', still not installed :
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10:39<R4F_Debian>it seems ffmpeg causes frequent problems and conflicts easily to other packages existing in Debian stable repositories. Correct me if I am wrong, please
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10:42<blast007>R4F_Debian: how did you install ffmpeg?
10:43<R4F_Debian>Hi blast007, thanks for answering ! In fact, it was through 'apt-get install'
10:43<blast007>you did 'apt-get install -t jessie-backports ffmpeg' ?
10:44<R4F_Debian>no, blast007 - just 'apt-get install ffmpeg'
10:44<blast007>ffmpeg isn't in the normal stable repositories, only in jessie-backports
10:44<R4F_Debian>I am using non-free repositories also. Do you think it shall be related to ffmpeg issues ?
10:44<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
10:45<R4F_Debian>I see, let me show you my sources.list, please
10:45<themill>(that ALL needs more emphasis somehow...)
10:46<R4F_Debian>blast007, here you are, please:
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10:48<blast007>R4F_Debian: I didn't ask for that. Please read what dpkg said.
10:48<R4F_Debian>I've already done it. dpkg is just repeating the request I've already attended
10:49<sney>blast007: fyi, if a package is only available from one repository, -t is not required. so ffmpeg only being in backports, 'apt install ffmpeg' would work fine
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10:49<themill>R4F_Debian: you haven't
10:49<sney>this whole exercise seems like a lot of work just to avoid using avconv, though.
10:50<R4F_Debian>you didn't see, but I have done it. That is the second time I'm pasting the same outuput about what dpkg asked:
10:51<themill>R4F_Debian: that is not everything that dpkg asked for
10:51<R4F_Debian>well, sney, if avconv helps me to extract .mp3 files easily from any video format, no problems using it
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10:51<dpkg>Libav is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. Libav is a fork of <FFmpeg> and replaces it in the Debian 7 Wheezy and 8 Jessie releases. Multithreaded decoding is available since libav 4:0.7~rc1-1 (bug #575600); MP3 encoding support is available since libav 4:0.7.1-2 (bug #587904). #libav on
10:51<R4F_Debian>ok, I can check the other question, but this is one of them
10:52<R4F_Debian>now the answer I needed is here through dpkg bot.
10:52<themill>R4F_Debian: of the 3 things dpkg asks for, you have provided 1½
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10:55<themill>in any case, I suspect "aptitude -t jessie-backports install kdenlive" would sort you out
10:55<R4F_Debian>themill, it seems only the last question was not answered: 'apt-cache policy'
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10:55<themill>R4F_Debian: you've not provided "apt-cache policy kdenlive libav-tools" either
10:56<R4F_Debian>I can't provide 'apt-cache policy kdenlive'. How should I provide an information about a package that is not installed yet ?
10:56<themill>did you try?
10:56<R4F_Debian>I explained about this some time ago. kdenlive wasn't installed here yet
10:56<themill>did you try?
10:57<R4F_Debian>yes, tried, but I interrupted to install kdenlive after messages I received
10:57<themill>and the output of "apt-cache policy kdenlive libav-tools" is?
10:57<R4F_Debian>'you have held broken packages', installation can't continue... about kdenlive
10:58<R4F_Debian>no, don't know, I haven't installed kdenlive yet, because of the question already explained
10:58<themill>it's a command, you run it, it provides information
10:58<R4F_Debian>themill, see it, please:
10:58<themill>you provide us with that information and we can try to help you
10:58<R4F_Debian>I have already posted it twice
10:59<themill>no you haven't
10:59<themill>Nowhere there is the output of "apt-cache policy kdenlive libav-tools"
10:59<R4F_Debian>well, sorry, I can't understand what you are asking me...
10:59<themill>I don't know of any other way of asking you to run that command
10:59<sypher>R4F_Debian: Run the command themill just posted, and pastebin the output.
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11:01<R4F_Debian>oh, sorry, themill, mistake done here
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11:01<R4F_Debian>thanks for suggestion, sypher
11:01<themill>have you only just installed libav-tools?
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11:02<R4F_Debian>I don't know, let me see, I think I've done it already, just to confirm here, please
11:02<themill>in one paste it is not installed and in another it is
11:03<R4F_Debian>yes, installed here
11:03<R4F_Debian>i removed ffmpeg and installed libav tools
11:04<R4F_Debian>by the way, to install 'libav tools', Debian informed 'ffmpeg' would be removed
11:04<themill>that's not actually necessary
11:06<R4F_Debian>what is not necessary, themill ?
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11:09<blast007>there's a transitional libav-tools package in jessie-backports
11:12<R4F_Debian>yes, I have it here installed already
11:12<R4F_Debian>removed ffmpeg
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11:13<blast007>no, you installed the one from the jessie repository, not jessie-backports
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11:13<blast007>the one in jessie-backports depends on ffmpeg and is just there to provide compatibility with the older binary names and for packages that depend on libav-tools
11:13<scootergrisen>Yeah i managed to boot into GNOME :D
11:14<scootergrisen>I run the Debian install and for some reason now it worked
11:14<scootergrisen>I dont think i really changed anything
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11:16<R4F_Debian>blast007, not so clear your explanation: but, if I use kdenlive, I can use libav tools, correct ? But can't install ffmpeg ?
11:16<blast007>you can use ffmpeg
11:17<blast007>if you install libav-tools from jessie, it will use avconv. if you install libav-tools fro jessie-backports, it will use ffmpeg.
11:18<scootergrisen>Do i need to add my user to /etc/sudoers to be able to use sudo?
11:18<themill>scootergrisen: or add yourself to the "sudo" group
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11:19<sney>usermod -aG sudo yourusername or various other methods
11:19<themill>!sudo group
11:19<dpkg>From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information.
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11:20<scootergrisen>Great i dont have usermod
11:21<R4F_Debian>confused here, sorry, blast007 - what is the best resource: ffmpeg or libav tools to extract .mp3 files from any video format ?
11:21<sney>scootergrisen: it's in root's PATH so your normal user won't see it
11:22<sney>R4F_Debian: they both do the same thing, libav is a fork of ffmpeg, if you have one of them installed try using it
11:22<themill>R4F_Debian: as I said to you yesterday, there will be no difference.
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11:25<R4F_Debian>sney and themill, I tried to use avconv before (it is part of libav tools, I think, correct me, if I am wrong), but the problem is: it took a long time just to extract a .mp3 file from a .mp4 video file
11:26<R4F_Debian>perhaps I made any mistake, but, it took about almost 4 hours to extract it
11:26<scootergrisen>Need i do anything else after adding to groups?
11:26<sney>transcoding takes time, cpu, and memorty
11:26<sney>depending on your computer, this can be normal
11:26<themill>scootergrisen: log out and log back in
11:26<R4F_Debian>well, even considering such requirements, I was told It would not take sooooo much time like it did
11:27<themill>R4F_Debian: and as I explained, ffmpeg isn't going to be any faster than avconv. They are the same.
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11:28<R4F_Debian>ok themill, thanks for your patience and Great Support. The same to sney ! You always help me a lot here
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11:29<R4F_Debian>now it is clear why such problems have happened. It is like I was trying to install a package two times
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11:29<R4F_Debian>in the same installation
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11:36<mika2>I installed OpenOffice (via debian package) on ubuntu, but when I click on the soffice shell script, all it does is open in gedit, and if I change the default program to "run software" it won't do anything. I've checked and the x permissions are granted for all users. can anyone help?
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11:37<sney>!ubuntuirc mika2
11:37<dpkg>mika2: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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11:48<zackc>hi, is there a way to get d-i to wipe all disks? similar to kickstart's "clearpart --all"
11:49<zackc>(i want to do this in a preseed, and i won't always know what disks are present. but i want to wipe them all)
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11:51<scootergrisen>So i just installed Debian from fresh and i dont see some of my favourite programs with apt-get install ...
11:51<scootergrisen>So how do i correctly find out how to get them?
11:51<scootergrisen>For example i want SMPlayer
11:51<scootergrisen>I dont even see FileZilla
11:51<sney>scootergrisen: make sure you have a normal sources.list, and search on
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11:52<sney>but both smplayer and filezilla are in jessie so you are probably just missing your main mirror entry
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11:54<scootergrisen>Yeah i skiped that part becuase it says the nearest does not mean the best or something
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11:55<sney>!jessie sources.list
11:55<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb jessie main" "deb jessie/updates main" "deb jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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11:57<scootergrisen>Does the order matter?
11:57<SynrGy>repos have a priorities system that sorts out what comes from what
11:58<SynrGy>and generally, later versions supercede earlier ones, unless priority dictates otherwise
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11:59<scootergrisen>now i see smplayer
12:00<scootergrisen>In the list of countries what can i select to get the httpredir one if that is the best
12:01<SynrGy>httpredir sorts that out on its own
12:01<SynrGy>why would you want to hardwire it?
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12:01<SynrGy>sticking with httpredir means you don't have to worry about it
12:02<blast007>scootergrisen: the list when installing Debian, you mean?
12:02<scootergrisen>During install i could select my country but the text says that the neastes country might not be the best so i did not choose anything
12:02<blast007>scootergrisen: it will be in the list, I think on the first page of items
12:02<scootergrisen>ok i will try look best next time
12:03<scootergrisen>I just saw country names
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13:17<debneedhelp>Is anyone using ZFS on Debian
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13:20<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I am using 'avconv' tool to extract an audio file in .mp3 format from a 985 MB .mp4 file. Is that normal a tool acting with so poor efficiency, taking 20 minutes to just encode 3.7 MB file ?
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13:21<R4F_Debian>processor here is limited, but not enogh to do like that: youtube-dl downloaded this .mp4 file in 1 hour and 12 min
13:23<R4F_Debian>or, is there any specific option to accelerate this process, for like it is running now, it is quite obsolete....
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13:25<blast007>R4F_Debian: what is the command you are using?
13:26<R4F_Debian>well, blast, the same novell: 'avconv -i borp.mp4 borp.mp3'
13:27<R4F_Debian>that is why I tried to use ffmpeg and installed in such a way there was conflicts between other installed applications.
13:27<blast007>is the audio track in the file an MP3?
13:27<R4F_Debian>is things continue like that, in 15 hours or more I will have this file, and that is an absurd
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13:28<R4F_Debian>don't know to tell this, blast007
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13:29<blast007>see if 'avconv -i borp.mp4' gives you information about the various streams in the file
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13:30<R4F_Debian>it gives me, I tried to paste it, but as it is in process, I can't, konsole does not let me doing it
13:30<blast007>you don't have to show me, just look at it
13:30<R4F_Debian>mov, mp4, m4a, 3gp, 3g2, mj2...
13:30<blast007>there should be an audio track, and it should say what it is
13:31<R4F_Debian>let me see if I can find it here, there is such a lot of information....
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13:37<blast007>R4F_Debian: add -vn after your video file input (not entirely sure if the order matters, but that's how one example show it) to make it skip processing the video track (so, 'avconv -i borp.mp4 -vn borp.mp3')
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13:40<R4F_Debian>oh, ok, blast007, so I will interrupt here and start again according your technical instructions. I will report to you, can I ?
13:40<blast007>yeah, kill the current one and do it with -vn
13:40<blast007>it'll finish pretty quick
13:40<R4F_Debian>Great blast007, Thanks a lot for that !
13:42<R4F_Debian>it took 40 min here to convert only 9 mb, I think you understand my situation here, blast007
13:43<R4F_Debian>well, now it is going fast !
13:43<blast007>youtube-dl also has a -x option that will make it automatically extract the audio
13:43<blast007>and it some cases it will download much faster since it will only get the audio track from youtube
13:43<R4F_Debian>some seconds has passed and it is 13 mb converted already. Great Mr blast007, a Really Debian Warrior !
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13:44<blast007>youtube-dl also has a --audio-format and --auto-quality option (check 'man youtube-dl' for details)
13:45<R4F_Debian>Thanks a Lot, blast007, you Helped me a lot here !! I was quite disappointed and in desperate situation here, trying to encode it !
13:45<R4F_Debian>now it is a reasonable speed. Great blast007 !!
13:46<blast007>so, example, 'youtube-dl -x --audio-format mp3 http://someyoutubevideohere' would download the video (or just the audio in most cases) and convert it to MP3 using avconf/ffmpeg
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13:48<R4F_Debian>back here, oh, I see blast007. Does youtube-dl use ffmpeg extensions ?
13:48<blast007>it can call either avconv or ffmpeg
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13:50<R4F_Debian>oh, I see ! Well, thanks for new knowledge you have passed me now, blast007, always Glad with your Great High Quality Support !
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13:52<R4F_Debian>it seems it has finished here, let me check it now
13:54<R4F_Debian>already finished here, blast007, faster than I've imagined. Thanks a lot for this !
13:54<blast007>no prob
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13:57<R4F_Debian>Need to go now, see you soon, blast007 ! God Bless You !
13:57<R4F_Debian>Bye all !
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14:01<Xtritec>Hello everyone. I have a question if anyone could answer it, I have tried googling it and couldn't find anything. I am using Debian 8.4 on a Macbook Air, anytime I hit the F10 Mute/Unmute key it kills all sound permanently (rebooting does not fix this) until I go into terminal and use the command alsactl init. Anyone notice/have this issue? and/or is there a hot key to get the sound to resume without running the alsactl init
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14:08<sney>Xtritec: acpi hotkeys can be funny sometimes, as they vary wildly from manufacturer to manufacturer
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14:09<sney>Xtritec: iirc there is a a way to bind keys to stuff like shell commands, which could be a workaround, though I haven't done it in a while so I don't remember the procedure
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14:12<Xtritec>Didn't think of that sney, might give that a go. I am wondering if this a glitch
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18:10*PadawanLearner may the force be with you
18:11<anadahz>Hi, What is the canonical way of adding a system-wide variable that can be "read" from a MOTD script?
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18:14<retrospectacus>anadahz: like what? Why not just put it in the script?
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18:18<anadahz>retrospectacus: I don't want to update the script every time this variable will change
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18:20<retrospectacus>what do you want to update then?
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18:24<dondelelcaro>anadahz: usually you'd do something in /etc/update-mot.d iirc, and then it would be executed by pam_motd
18:25<dondelelcaro>anadahz: but basically everyone has stopped doing that sort of thing
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18:30<anadahz>dondelelcaro: actually I remove the /etc/motd, create a symlink to /var/run/motd and add my script to /etc/update-motd.d/script
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18:34<anadahz>I have added the variable to /etc/security/pam_env.conf but was not "read" by the script
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18:43<retrospectacus>what is this variable? why not just put it in some file and "cat" the file in your script?
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18:49<anadahz>retrospectacus: it's a version of a build script, I was hoping to avoid sourcing one file just for one variable. /etc/environment used to be the cannonical to set system-wide variables but what is the default in current Debian stable?
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18:59<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like to have a simple information by any Debian Warrior here: I forgot the name of gnome-video that commonly is part of menu 'Videos' and that belongs to Debian stable repository
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19:04<dpkg>Totem is the official media player of the <GNOME> desktop environment, based on the <GStreamer> framework. <xine> libraries were previously supported until totem version 2.27.1. To resolve "Could not read from resource" errors when playing a DVD, ask me about <libdvdcss>. #totem on
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19:11<R4F_Debian>Hi musca, thanks for answering ! Glad to see you here, musca !!
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19:12<musca>yw R4F_Debian
19:12<R4F_Debian>Thanks, musca ! Pleasure to see you again !
19:12<R4F_Debian>Bye !
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19:15<marduk64>Recien Actualice a Debian 8.4
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19:50<k-man>why does my portable hdd mount ro for my user?
19:50<k-man>oh, its hfs
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20:48<Skytech>Idk what I'm doing wrong with this Systemd script
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20:55<Skytech>This is what I get when I try to run the script
20:57<k-man>where is the script?
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20:59<SOUL_OF_R00T>heya great guys, i am updating my systems and tunning it, i have a litle doubt about the correct way to setup systemd based wireless pwa conection i am running wpa on hand and work the dhcp option on .network files ut wpa initialization is my fault, some can help?
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21:00<Skytech>k-man: the script is in /etc/Systemd/System/deluged.service
21:00<sney>you lost me somewhere around "and work the dhcp option"
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21:02<SOUL_OF_R00T>the file is under systemd dirs but i have found some info about a wpa_supplicant unit for systemd is needed
21:02<SOUL_OF_R00T>i am a quite lost too, thanks, and sorry for poor english
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21:03<sney>I wasn't aware that stuff could be controlled via systemd, I just use ifupdown
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21:03<k-man>Skytech, no i mean can you paste the file somewhere?
21:04<k-man>so we can see its contents
21:04<SOUL_OF_R00T>i have found some good things in other boxes running other distro with full systemd interface
21:04<SOUL_OF_R00T>i plan use it at this box
21:04<k-man>Skytech, this might give you some guidance on debugging:
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21:06<Skytech>I'll try to paste it
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21:06<sney>don't paste it in the channel
21:06<SOUL_OF_R00T>i have wrote a wpa_supplicant.service file
21:07<SOUL_OF_R00T>inside systemd etc's folder
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21:07<SOUL_OF_R00T>when i try enable it with systemctl i see one msg
21:07<Skytech>This is the script
21:08<sgt_tweak>anyone comfortable with wireless driver manual install on OS jessie?
21:09<sney>sgt_tweak: 99% of the time all you need is a firmware package from non-free
21:09<sney>what nic is it?
21:09<sgt_tweak>i tried to do an update on the realtek firmware and it states that its up to date
21:09<sgt_tweak>and try to be pt, first time on IRC
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21:10<sney>ok, start from the beginning, explain your whole problem
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21:11<sgt_tweak>i bought a jbtek 300mbps wireless n adapter for the Rpi. It was supposed to be plug and play. It's not. I went through and tried to update the packages/firmware and it states that its all up to date. I've manually gotten the driver on the Rpi and attempted to manually install using the install shell and Makefile, sec and i'll tell u the error i get
21:12<sgt_tweak>it's the realtek rtl8192eu driver
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21:14<sgt_tweak>alright, when i bash the install shell script it comes back
21:15<sgt_tweak>with no rule to make target module, recipe for target modules failed
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21:16<sgt_tweak>if i try to run the Makefile, it shows that all the CONFIG_PLATFORM commands arent found
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21:21<sgt_tweak>it was only $10 so i'm sure the fastest and easiest thing to do would be to just get a different one from adafruit, but now it has become an obsession and its driving me nuts. at this point i've put a hold on all my software while i beat my head against a wall trying to figure this out
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21:27<sgt_tweak>sorry sney, idk what happened, u still here?
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21:30<jmcnaught>sgt_tweak: take a look at for most wifi cards on Debian it's usually a simple matter of installing a firmware package. If you are compiling from source you're probably heading in the wrong direction. For Debian at least, if you're actually running Raspbian the story could be different
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21:32<sgt_tweak>i am actually running raspbian, jessie
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21:33<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on for support.
21:33<sgt_tweak>ok....thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)
21:34<jmcnaught>the folks in the #raspbian channel on freenode should have more accurate answers for that distro. i think you can also run real Debian on a raspberry pi too
21:34<sgt_tweak>i may end up going that route...i tried kali but WAY too slow
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21:49<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I tried to get the source code for amule to install it here, but had some issues:
21:50<neophobia-irc>R4F_Debian: you can apt-get it normally ?
21:50<R4F_Debian>Other mirror I used before was an easy process through 'apt-get build-dep amule', but it was not available anymore, so I had to use this other alternative it is pasted
21:51<neophobia-irc>works for me R4F_Debian
21:51<R4F_Debian>Hi neophobia-irc, thanks for Support and Attention ! In fact, I compiled it without problems, never could amule through 'apt-get install',
21:51<neophobia-irc>i can apt-get install and apt-get source amule in debian unstable
21:51<R4F_Debian>Please, neophobia, according to my paste, what shall I do now to have amule installed here ?
21:52<R4F_Debian>oh, I remembered, you are right, used this debian unstable repo before
21:52<neophobia-irc> well R4F_Debian it's telling you that it can't find the source package
21:52<R4F_Debian>and included the line in the sources.list
21:52<neophobia-irc>don't forget to update :)
21:53<neophobia-irc>it's also probably not a good idea to mix sources
21:53<R4F_Debian>yes, you are right, neophobia-irc, I will try it again here
21:53<neophobia-irc>without pinning
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21:53<R4F_Debian>sorry, what is the meaning of 'pinning' ?
21:53<R4F_Debian>sorry, neophobia-irc, quite newbie in english here
21:54<R4F_Debian>other time, I just used 'debian unstable' to build and install amule. and removed the line from sources.list afterwards
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21:54<neophobia-irc>oh that works
21:55<neophobia-irc>just make sure you update again before you install anything else
21:55<neophobia-irc>or upgrade
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21:56<R4F_Debian>Great, neophobia-irc, thank you a lot for Great Support ! Nice and Pleasure to know you here !
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21:56<neophobia-irc>Yeah i try :)
21:56<R4F_Debian>and you get it, surely !! :)
21:57<R4F_Debian>I must go now, hope seeing you other time here, neophobia-irc ! Other Great Debian Warrior I've known today !
21:57<R4F_Debian>God Bless You !
21:57<R4F_Debian>Bye !
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