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00:06<jmcnaught>athena_: probably lots of people here have switched. Note that you cannot upgrade from Ubuntu, you have to do a fresh install of Debian
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00:08<athena_>jmcnaught: Oh, I see. Thanks for the heads. I'm switching from trusty to jessie
00:08<athena_>*heads up
00:09<jmcnaught>athena_: the install manual is pretty great. there's a section on missing firmwares you may need to refer to at some point depending on your hardware
00:10<athena_>jmcnaught: Got it! Thanks so much! :)
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00:16<appl3s>Hi, if I use `apt-get source <package>` to download a source package, what'd be the command to remove/delete it? `apt-get purge <package>` doesn't work because the package has only been downloaded, not installed.
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00:33<appl3s>should they be removed manually from the pwd? e.g. `rm -rf package*`
00:34<plugwash>yeah, it's fine to delete them manually
00:36<appl3s>ok, thanks :)
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01:18<LostSoul_>I've got some old debians, and some "funny" dudes changed setting in /etc/debian_version
01:18<LostSoul_>What is the safest way to check thme?
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01:19<jm_>check what exactly?
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01:22<skarm>@LostSoul: Maybee "uname -a" or "lsb_release -a" is what you want
01:22<LostSoul_>version of Debian
01:22<LostSoul_>I tried /proc/version but I'm not sure it's my Debian version
01:23<jm_>check version of libc6 or base-files
01:23<LostSoul_>No lsb_release here as those are Debians 3,4,5.. ;)
01:23<jmcnaught>also check /etc/apt/sources.list{,d}
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01:26<LostSoul_>(gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) ) #1 SMP Mon Mar 8 16:40:20 CET 2010
01:27<LostSoul_>Is this Debian version or I'm going wrong way?
01:27<jm_>that's kernel version
01:27<LostSoul_>jmcnaught: It's not safe way as I know some of them used repo from 5th in 3rd and 4th
01:28<jm_>if it's really such a mess good luck
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01:28<LostSoul_>Yeah in some places, but hey
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01:31<jelly>!debian suite
01:31<dpkg>cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
01:32<jelly>LostSoul_: versions of base-files, libc6, dpkg and apt packages will be good clues
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01:35<themill>given that you can install weird combinations of packages from many different releases, there is no way of saying you have a particular release except by looking at the sources.list, looking at what is upgradeable and looking at what is newer than anything available in the repo
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01:41<sleser>hi is there tool that can show wifi signal with # strenth not just 3 or 2 lines of wifi signal on existing debian kde next to the clock
01:41<LostSoul_>jelly: How to check version on base-files?
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01:42<sleser>i was stuck at a site trying to make some one a favor extending their wifi signal using an old router that was coolecting dust
01:42<sleser>when he was bolshiting that he has no clue what linux is or a router is
01:42<sleser>and braging about windows 10
01:43<sleser>i got it figured out but having an app that shows wifi signal strenth using linux machine in # not just lines would be nice and if any one knows a widget that does it so i can use it on my backsplash would be nice on my laptop
01:43<sleser>any tips i apreciate
01:43<sleser>i had my phone but i dont trust my phone id always admired to compare a phone and a l inux laptop on # wifi signal
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01:49<sleser>having a signal strenth in mbps would show more then 3 or 2 lines on the widget next to the clock
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01:52<sleser>when i had to use my android to rate the signal strenth it shown me 173 mbps with a cheep gigabit router
01:52<sleser>when i had 2 lines of wifi signal showing on the clock aria ...
01:53<sleser>not sure if router not so for today phone is lying to me or cant even use my linux laptop to determin what i should go with more
01:54<sleser>to figure out the target of the problem
02:01<sleser>ok tomaro is another day nite
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02:06<Hala3ammi>how can I update debian's kernel outside normal apt releases
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02:08<jm_>grab it from bpo or build your own
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02:10<Hala3ammi>bpo ?
02:10<dpkg> (formerly is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
02:11<Hala3ammi>not used to jargon yet, thanks
02:11<jm_>no problem
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02:35<chele>How do I make apt-get fail if NO_PUBKEY appears. At the moment I get the error as I warning and installation continues using the old one. Using debian jessie up to date.
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03:43<jim>can someone help me set up a oackage proxy (at minimum, a link describing it)... I want to be able to suggest it to people installing linux so they don't have to download packages twice
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03:47<jm_>tried «/msg dpkg apt-cacher-ng»?
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03:52<CutMeOwnThroat>jim, why'd they download packages twice
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03:54<jim>CutMeOwnThroat, in case they have to do the install again, or they want to install onto another machine
03:54<jim>jm_, thanks
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03:56<CutMeOwnThroat>you can just copy the hard-drive of one machine to another if you want a clone (of course then have to change certificate(s))
03:56<jm_>no worries
03:56<CutMeOwnThroat>and I don't ever had to install again
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03:57<jim>I did... and, after installing full system incl kde...
03:57<jim>3 hrs apiece
03:58<CutMeOwnThroat>what was the problem?
03:58<jim>(then, wanted to try ubuntu, you might be interested in the results: everything was half as fast: running the resulting installation, installing, even the mirror
03:59<jim>I think I was experimenting with kxstudio
03:59<jim>(still, that took a long time...)
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04:01<jim>also... is it possible to switch an existing install to uefi booting (by, say, installing the appropriate grub pkg)?
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04:03<jm_>yeah but consider that for UEFI you need GPT and a special partition for it
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04:05<jim>got a gpt...
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04:06<jim>let me just make sure of what I have...
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04:09<jm_>you can find several other similar procedures online
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04:14<jim>on my /dev/sdc, gdisk reports: MBR: mbr only; BSD, APM, GPT: not present
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04:19<jim>on my /dev/sda: MBR: protective, BSD, APM: not present, GPT: present
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04:24<jim>(jm_, thanks again) what's the size range for the efi partition?
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04:25<jm_>jim: that link mentions it, a few MB is enough
04:25<jim>yeah, I should just read it
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04:50<jim>just to make sure of the partition, I'd do... make a new partition, set its type to what the article says, (200 mb seems too large... 20 mb?), mkdir /boot/efi, format the partition as fat32, add it to fstab to mount on /boot/efi, now I got the partition ready?
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04:54<jelly>windows defaults to 100MB sized efi partition
04:56<jim>jelly, hmm, that seems huge... how big do these firmware files get?
04:57<jm_>it's not firmware that goes there
04:57<jim>I got that idea stuck in my head, of "firmware" files that are actually boot loaders
04:58<jim>but whether they're firmware files or not, they're files that contain the loaders?
04:58<jm_>grubx64.efi goes there and windows has its own file I guess
04:59<jim>are you booting that way? whjat
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04:59<jim>is the size of that file, if you know?
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05:01<jm_>I don't have UEFI here - tried to convert it but it failed so I stayed with legacy boot
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05:02<jim>you tried using the same article?
05:03<jm_>well no, I did it without help - my brother used that article though when he bought a new motherboard a few years ago
05:05<jim>do you know how your brother fared?
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05:18<jim>the partition is all set up
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05:35<jm_>it worked after some messing about
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05:42<jelly>jim: windows 8 on its own eats up some 30MB space. grub's efi thing eats about 1MB
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05:50<scootergrisen>How can i get flash to work in iceweasel?
05:50<jm_>try installing the flashplugin-nonfree package
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05:56<SynrGy>or alternatively, pepperflashplugin-nonfree + browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash (jessie-backports)
05:56<SynrGy>since adobe gave up on updating theirs :p
05:57<SynrGy>some sites might whine at you about flash being too old if you just use the adobe one
05:57<musca>they also dropped the 32bit support, didn't they?
05:57<SynrGy>did they? i stopped caring about adobe's plugin aeons ago
05:57<jim>trying to do the grub-install step after installing the uefi grub pkg, and creating/mounting the uefi partition... I'm getting this message: grub-install: warning: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot Partition; embedding won't be possible.
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05:58<jim>other than whatever corrections are necessary for the label, the partition is 33 mb, so I'll increase it
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06:00<musca>jim: On a newly created EFI system partition (ESP) when I used gparted to set the ESP flag it also set the Boot flag.
06:01<jim>did it set the label to something?
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06:02<musca>I don't remember, sorry. Neiter can I look up now.
06:03<jim>I'll keep reading...
06:03<jm_>AFAIK only ID matters
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06:12<scootergrisen>I cant see flashplugin-nonfree is that because i dont have backport in sources?
06:13<babilen>judd: v flashplugin-nonfree
06:13<judd>Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1; sid/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1; stretch/contrib: 1:3.6.1+b1
06:14<babilen>scootergrisen: As you can see ^^^ it is in contrib, so you have to make sure that your entries in /etc/apt/sources.list contain that. You might want to check that they end in "main contrib non-free" (non-free is not necessary for flashplugin-nonfree though!)
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06:14<babilen>Run apt-get update after you made changes to that file
06:15<babilen>judd: v browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash
06:15<judd>Package: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.3.4-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.3.5-1; stretch/contrib: 0.3.5-1
06:15<babilen>Same holds true for browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash from jessie-backports
06:16<jm_>heh plugin for plugin
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06:24<scootergrisen>Ok i was missing contrib
06:25<scootergrisen>What is "deb jessie/updates main contrib non-free" for?
06:25<scootergrisen>security updates?
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07:15<blaman>is there any way to get dpkg to restore the files from package X I replaced in package Y (package Y has Replaces: X) when I apt-get remove Y ?
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07:48<scootergrisen>Are there any good tools to cut videos (without loss)?
07:49<scootergrisen>I have a video i want to trim the beginning and end without reencoding
07:49<scootergrisen>So the video does not loose quality
07:49<scootergrisen>Its mp4
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07:57<scootergrisen>What is the correct way to install Avidemux? Now that i cant find it in apt-get
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07:59<towo^work>avidemux is only in deb-multimedia
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08:02<scootergrisen>You mean ?
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08:06<scootergrisen>Can i run into problems if i add "deb jessie main non-free" ?
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08:07<dpkg>We recommend against using; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
08:07<scootergrisen>I just installed Debian from new and i dont want to mess it up ... again
08:07<scootergrisen>!dmm jessie
08:07<dpkg>If you really need (are you sure your information isn't five years out of date?), then (as root): echo "deb jessie main non-free" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dmm.list; aptitude update && aptitude install deb-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. See <why not dmm>.
08:07<olinuxx>wahoo, isn't a bit harsh toward deb-multimedia ?
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08:08<scootergrisen>I just want to trim a video
08:09<scootergrisen>I used avidemux on Windows to trim videos without reencoding
08:10<scootergrisen>If i use "deb jessie main non-free" to install avidemux can it effect my system in a bad way?
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08:16<jim>scootergrisen, you could always do that again
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08:18<jim>olinuxx, apparantly the person who created that factoid harbors a distrust of dmm
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08:18<jim>dpkg, factinfo dmm jessie
08:18<dpkg>dmm jessie -- last modified at Mon Aug 26 12:18:00 2013 by gsimmons!; it has been requested 67 times, last by scootergrisen, 11m 7s ago.
08:19<jim>and that would be at least 3 years ago :)
08:19<petn-randall>olinuxx: dmm at times had rather low-quality packaging, that caused a lot of support requests in Debian's bugtracker.
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08:21<scootergrisen>jum do what again? use windows?
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08:28<scootergrisen>The website says to run "apt-get dist-upgrade" to install Avidemux. Can that be right?
08:29<scootergrisen>never mind that was for squeeze
08:29<petn-randall>scootergrisen: We can't really help on 3rd party repos, but I'm guessing it's 'apt-get install avidemux' after running 'apt-get update'.
08:30<jim>scootergrisen, if you have the setup and you successfully used it, it's a choice you have
08:31<petn-randall>scootergrisen: You can use kdenlive for that, too. It's even in the official repos.
08:32<scootergrisen>Do you know if it can trim without reencoding?
08:33<jim>scootergrisen, you might check after doing the apt-get update, by running apt-cache search avidemux
08:33<petn-randall>scootergrisen: I don't know for sure, but you can try, or check the manual.
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08:33<scootergrisen>I'm installing both now
08:34<jim>is it present in the repo?
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08:47<cruncher>scootergrisen, or you can create deb packages for avidemux yourself
08:47<cruncher>they have instructions on how to do that
08:47<cruncher>thats what i did myself
08:48<scootergrisen>Yeah but Debian website dont recomend
08:48<scootergrisen>I wanted to do it the right way
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08:49<cruncher>what site does not recommend building avidemux yourself?
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08:50<scootergrisen> says Don't 'make install'
08:51<scootergrisen>What can i do if i want to maximize a window but the window will not go below a certain height that is larger then my screen space?
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08:52<cruncher>well, you should read why you should not "make install", not just not do it ever, and second, i said it creates deb packages, which do not have to be installed by "make install"
08:53<cruncher>i dint understand, you mean when you maximize the window it doesnt cover the full screen? or the window is already bigger than your screen?
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08:56<scootergrisen>Window is bigger then available screen height
08:56<cruncher>so press and hold Left Alt, then grab the window with the left mouse button
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08:56<scootergrisen>and window does not allow me to make it smaller in height
08:56<duclicsic>what is your display resolution?
08:57<scootergrisen>something like that
08:57<cruncher>like that you can drag the window down and hopefully press the maximize-button
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08:58<scootergrisen>Yeah i can drag it up but then i cant see the top of the window
08:58<duclicsic>if the window won't resize smaller than that, i would suggest looking at the available support material for that application
08:59<cruncher>cant you drag it down and down again until you see the top?
08:59<scootergrisen>Yeah but i want to see the whole window at the same time. not have to drag up and down
09:00<duclicsic>what application is it?
09:00<cruncher>yes, but then you press the maximize button, and hopefull it adapts to your screen
09:00<cruncher>and if not, then do what duclicsic suggested
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09:01<scootergrisen>Avidemux right now but i have seen the same problem in other software.. Its seems everthing in standard GNOME is big and i have top panel and also window list at the bottom
09:02<scootergrisen>I would like to move the GNOME window list from the bottom of the screen to the side of the screen. I do that in Windows with a 16:9 screen, but in GNOME the window list dont seem to be placeable to the side
09:02<duclicsic>yeah I think this is just a product of your low display resolution, and the tendency for display managers to be designed for toddlers these days
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09:03<scootergrisen>Yeah i guess the screen dimensions are not so good
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09:03<duclicsic>if you use one of the gnome2-like environments such as xfce you can move and resize your controls much more easily
09:03<duclicsic>they tend to take up much less screen space anyway
09:04<scootergrisen>I tried installing xfce but then it changes things in GNOME that i did not like.
09:04<duclicsic>the idea is to use one or the other..
09:05<duclicsic>I mean, you CAN use both if you like
09:05<duclicsic>but if xfce works for you, why keep gnome?
09:05<scootergrisen>I dont even think i got the choice during Debian install
09:06<scootergrisen>I tried it a bit
09:07<duclicsic>but i see avidemux does have a minimum window size for me too
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09:08<scootergrisen>I guess its the programs developers fault. I have just seen it multiple times.
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09:10<cruncher>for me the minimum size for avimedumx is something like 800x600 (guessed)
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09:10<scootergrisen>Do anyone know of a window list of some sort that i can have to the side of the screen and not the bottom?
09:10<cruncher>i have 1280x800 resolution
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09:10<duclicsic>scootergrisen: the panel in all gnome2 forks can do this
09:11<duclicsic>scootergrisen: the version of gnome you are running has abandoned most of these features because you don't want them
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09:13<scootergrisen>I use Version 3.14.1
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09:39<scootergrisen>Yeah :D managed to make my video at last
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09:51<antzero>I'm trying to install teamviewer but I keep getting a dependency error on "libpng12-0"
09:52<antzero>I already tried to add x86 as architecture on dpkg, apt-get install -f, apt-get update and upgrade but still no luck
09:52<antzero>Should I add some repo to get that package?
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09:53<sney>v libpng12-0 --arch i386
09:53<sney>,v libpng12-0 --arch i386
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09:53<judd>Package: libpng12-0 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.2.44-1+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1.2.44-1+squeeze4; squeeze-security-lts: 1.2.44-1+squeeze6; wheezy-security: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2
09:53<sney>antzero: on jessie it should just work. tried installing it with apt-get?
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09:54<sney>(note I am not saying some 3rd party package will just work... those are the responsibility of the vendor)
09:55<antzero>apt says libpng12-0:i386 is not installable
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09:57<themill>it'd be great if this conversation stayed in one channel rather than several
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09:59<sney>but themill, obviously this guy's problem is more important than anyone else
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10:04<antzero>Oh, well, sorry about that, this was a bad behaviour
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11:08<jim>how do you make a grub image, suitable for the ESP?
11:08<jim>just cat modules together?
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11:19<petn-randall>jim: grub-install does that just fine, no need to do it by hand.
11:20<jim>but it doesn't... I get an error
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11:21<jim>maybe I didn't start the first partition 63 sectors in
11:21<petn-randall>jim: What error did you get?
11:22<jim>looking for it again...
11:22<grawity>why would you start the first partition 63 sectors in
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11:22<jim>found it
11:22<petn-randall>grawity: Maybe an old windows habit? :)
11:23<jim>to leave room for grub?
11:23<jim>anyway let me pastebin this...
11:23<grawity>jim: I mean why not fdisk's default of 2048, or Windows' default of 1024, or something else that nicely aligns
11:23<petn-randall>I think new Debian installations leave 1 MB free in legacy mode.
11:23<grawity>63 made sense in CHS era
11:23<grawity>not so much nowadays
11:24<petn-randall>(gotta leave, jim, grawity might help you with this)
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11:25<jim>petn-randall, thanks for looking in
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11:25<jim>I'll see what it did leave
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11:27<jim>partition 1 starts at 2048
11:28<jim>is that 2048 bytes? or sectors?
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11:29<jim>I don't actually know that's my current problem, aside from which, if it is 2048 sectors, that should be plenty of space
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12:26<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I specified download folder in iceweasel, but my file has not been foud here:
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12:26<R4F_Debian>Please, hope you can help me. Thanks since now !
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12:29<branau>R4F_Debian: Does it show up in your downloads list in IceWeasel?
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12:31<branau>Also, you might want to escape the . and - characters, because those will throw off the regex expression
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12:34<R4F_Debian>Hi branau, yes, it is shown in the iceweasel list as downloaded, but I can't find it here
12:35<cruncher>R4F_Debian, i had sometimes that problem too, check if you have write permissions on that folder
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12:35<R4F_Debian>Hi cruncher, I see, I will check it
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12:35<R4F_Debian>no, without write permissions
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12:36<cruncher>there you go
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12:37<R4F_Debian>Used this command as root: find / -name <file name>\*
12:37<R4F_Debian>without solution
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12:38<R4F_Debian>so, I don't have any file downloaded. Any Carcarodontossaurus has bitten my net cabs here during the process
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12:41<retrospectacus>R4F_Debian: why can't you access the file from the Iceweasel Downloads GUI ("Open containing folder" or whatever)
12:42<retrospectacus>R4F_Debian: this paste is indicating that the filename begins with a space? Seems unlikely
12:42<R4F_Debian>Hi retrospectacus, Glad to see you again ! Well, that is the question: Why can't I access my file if used the same procedures suggested by yours here
12:42<retrospectacus>I don't know - why can't you?
12:43<retrospectacus>i.e. why do you think you cannot
12:44<R4F_Debian>well, surely I can't, not 'I think I cannot', for I used all the alternatives to find it, even through command line and mate interface resources
12:44<R4F_Debian>always the same output: there is no file called "..... "
12:44<retrospectacus>R4F_Debian: you say you specified the downloads folder. You have not said what it is, but let's say it is /home/r4fkramer/Downloads . Run "ls -l /home/r4fkramer/Downloads" and what do you see?
12:44<R4F_Debian>oh, already used this command - file is not found
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12:45<R4F_Debian>don't ask me why, retrospectacus, I really don't have any idea about it
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12:46<R4F_Debian>drwxr-xr-x 1 r4fkramer r4fkramer 102 May 21 14:39 Rascunhos e Anotações Provisória
12:46<retrospectacus>please use the paste site to show what you did... "ls" will not say "file not found" unless you forgot to use tab completion
12:46<R4F_Debian>nothing related to my missing file
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12:46<cruncher>R4F_Debian, why you just dont go to the folder and see its contents? or like retrospectacus said, just access it through the downloads in iceweasel itself?
12:46<mtn>R4F_Debian: when you click on show all downloads in iceweasel, you should see a folder after the download name. click on that folder. what happens?
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12:48<R4F_Debian>cruncher, I think you didn't understand the situation: these procedures were tried already, just don't show any result...
12:48<R4F_Debian>trying to access them through downloads list in iceweasel was the first thing to be tried
12:49<cruncher>R4F_Debian, if you cd into the folder, like /home/user/Downloads, and do a ls -a, and there is nothing (like you already tried), then why continue looking for it?
12:49<R4F_Debian>mtn, I see the file as it was downloade, when use this resource in iceweasel, but when I click it does not open
12:49<cruncher>also, check what the download folder for iceweasel is
12:50<cruncher>but nontheless, you said before "<R4F_Debian> no, without write permission", so you checked and you have NO write permissions on that folder
12:50<cruncher>if that is so, how do you expect to be a file there?
12:50<retrospectacus>R4F_Debian: how about; find / -type f -iname '*ghostbsd*'
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12:51<cruncher>can you show us the permissions on the download folder setup in iceweasel?
12:51<R4F_Debian>cruncher, you didn't understand the situation here... even if I don't have 'write permissions', file should be found. They are different questions, not directly related to a missing file, if iceweasel list shows it was downloaded...
12:51<R4F_Debian>let me try it here, retrospectacus
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12:52<R4F_Debian>find / -type f -iname '*ghostbsd* - it just appears this symbol: > retrospectacus
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12:53<retrospectacus>hit ctrl-C and use copy - paste; you didn't enter the command correctly
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12:54<R4F_Debian>what is the correct command so ?
12:54<retrospectacus>it is the command I wrote to you
12:54<retrospectacus>find / -type f -iname '*ghostbsd*'
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12:55<R4F_Debian>you are right, sorry retrospectacus, pasted wrongly here
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12:56<cruncher>R4F_Debian, i think you didnt understand it correctly. You cannot have downloaded a file into a folder where you have no write permissions.
12:56<cruncher>EVEN if iceweasel shows that its there
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12:56<cruncher>thats what i told you since the beginning
12:56<cruncher>but first let us know what the find command from retrospectacus lists
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12:56<retrospectacus>if Iceweasel downloaded something, it must be somewhere though
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12:56<cruncher>yes and no
12:56<cruncher>it shows as downloaded, but it wasnt
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12:57<cruncher>i had the exact same problem with iceweasel, and R4F_Debian already confirmed he has no write permission on the download folder
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12:58<R4F_Debian>R4F_Debian, why you just dont go to the folder and see its contents? or like retrospectacus said, just access it through the downloads in iceweasel itself? - This question doesn't make sense
12:58<retrospectacus>R4F_Debian: what was the output?
12:58<R4F_Debian>for the folder was specified and always get my files there (Downloads)
12:58<cruncher>R4F_Debian, what was the output?
12:59<R4F_Debian>this file is not here, even iceweasel status indicating it has been downloaded...
12:59<R4F_Debian>that is the question, cruncher
12:59<retrospectacus>R4F_Debian: no, the question is; what was the output?
12:59<cruncher>can you tell us first of all the output of the command retrospectacus gave you?
12:59<R4F_Debian>only answered an old question to cruncher, retrospectacus, let me check it here, just one moment, please
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13:00<R4F_Debian>find / -type f -iname '*ghostbsd*' as root, retrospectacus ?
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13:02<retrospectacus>ignore all "permission denied" messages
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13:02<R4F_Debian>here, retrospectacus
13:02<retrospectacus>so, there is your file, on the desktop
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13:02<R4F_Debian>no, it is not there
13:03<retrospectacus>your paste shows it is there... what says "ls -l /home/r4fkramer/Desktop/" ?
13:03<R4F_Debian>the downloaded file was specified to be storaged in "Downloads" folder. This information refers to the new file I'm downloading again in desktop area
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13:04<R4F_Debian>This new one on the desktop, is about other file I am being obligated to download again
13:04<cruncher>and "ls -l /home/r4fkramer/Desktop/Downloads"?
13:04<cruncher>(i huess thats your download folder, otherwise just adapt it)
13:04<retrospectacus>ok, then your previous file is gone or never was downloaded, doesn't matter - and now you are getting a new one. No problem
13:05<cruncher>sorry, correct would be "/home/r4fkramer/Downloads"
13:05<R4F_Debian>yes, retrospectacus
13:05<R4F_Debian>ok cruncher, let me use it and paste for you, just one moment please
13:05*retrospectacus goes back to sleep
13:06<R4F_Debian>ls -l /home/r4fkramer/Downloads
13:06<R4F_Debian>drwxr-xr-x 1 r4fkramer r4fkramer 102 May 21 14:39 Rascunhos e Anotações Provisórias
13:06<R4F_Debian>the same output always, cruncher, there is only two files there
13:06<cruncher>and -ld "/home/r4fkramer/Downloads"
13:06<R4F_Debian>named in portuguese, as you can see
13:07<cruncher>i mean just add the -d parameter to the previous command
13:07<R4F_Debian>only this output for the last command you have passed me
13:07<cruncher>"ls -ld /home/r4fkramer/Downloads"
13:08<R4F_Debian>oh, I see, let me try it again so
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13:08<R4F_Debian>drwxr-xr-x 1 r4fkramer r4fkramer 72 May 23 21:25 /home/r4fkramer/Downloads
13:09<R4F_Debian>see the permissions, cruncher, I can access the folder, easily
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13:09<R4F_Debian>if it is there, of course :)
13:09<R4F_Debian>but, thanks anyway for your effort spent in this battle, cruncher
13:10<cruncher>because before you said "<R4F_Debian> no, without write permissions"
13:10<R4F_Debian>as I said you before, I don't have any idea about why this situations has happened like that
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13:10<R4F_Debian>possibly, problems about communication between us, now I think it is clear
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13:11<R4F_Debian>but the procedures suggested by yours and retrospectacus were all tried - iceweasel showed me a strange status
13:11<cruncher>fact is there is no such file
13:11<R4F_Debian>worse, the yellow led in computer indicated it was being downloaded all the time required for that
13:11<cruncher>yes, but not saved
13:12<R4F_Debian>yes, do you have any idea about why It hasn't been saved ? Iceweasel bugs ?
13:12<cruncher>but as last, can you check if /home/r4fkramer/Downloads is really the folder that iceweasel downloads into?
13:13<R4F_Debian>using an specific command for that ? Which command ?
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13:13<R4F_Debian>I'm sure about it
13:13<cruncher>no, just go to preferences/settings
13:13<R4F_Debian>oh, ok
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13:14<R4F_Debian>oh, now it has been changed to be storaged in desktop area
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13:14<R4F_Debian>but It was by default 'Downloads'
13:14<R4F_Debian>only changed now
13:14<cruncher>my guess it was before in the desktop too, and now you overwrote it with your 3nd attempt
13:14<cruncher>well, anyway, just make sure all is setup correctly, then try again
13:15<cruncher>nothing else to do here
13:15<R4F_Debian>yes, but if it was storaged first in desktop, that is an iceweasel mistake, for I didn't change anything there
13:16<R4F_Debian>and saw before 'Downloads' , I checked it first
13:16<R4F_Debian>to be sure where can get the file
13:16<R4F_Debian>but, let us go on
13:16<R4F_Debian>Thanks for help and Support, cruncher
13:16<cruncher>no problem
13:16<R4F_Debian>See you
13:16<R4F_Debian>Bye !
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14:19<user>can someone help me please?
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14:20<Guest1983>i think dist-upgrade removed 2 packs i need for dcc recieving.. because it's not working anymore :( . what can i do? :)
14:21<blast007>you can give us some detail
14:22<Guest1983>it says "it's waiting for answer" when i confirm the revieve of a pack
14:22<Guest1983>from the other side
14:22<Guest1983>i don't know the packs it removed, but i believe it was that
14:22<blast007>what program is saying that?
14:22<Guest1983>it was something about network as far as i remember
14:22<Guest1983>and other clients also don't recieve packs
14:23<Guest1983>before, it's been working
14:23<Guest1983>sorry i'm new to linux
14:23<Guest1983>thx for your help
14:23<blast007>and what packages do you think that dist-upgrade removed?
14:24<Guest1983>:( really no idea, i also already looked in the logs at var/log
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14:24<Guest1983>otherwise i've to reinstall all again, already some hours trying
14:25<blast007>which version of debian is this?
14:25<Guest1983>stable jessie
14:26<Guest1983>i tried to use the repair from cd
14:26<Guest1983>it didn't recognize the root partition when i selected it
14:26<blast007>did you use apt-get or aptitude to do the dist-upgrade? aptitide looks to have a /var/log/aptitude, and apt has /var/log/apt/history.log and /var/log/apt/term.log
14:27<Guest1983>i checked those logs :(
14:27<blast007>and there's also a /var/log/dpkg.log
14:27<Guest1983>oh :O
14:27<Guest1983>then i can look there too :) thanks
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14:28<blast007>Beyond that, I'm not sure I'll have much advice. I've not used DCC transfers/chat in a long time.
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14:30<Guest1983>thank you, maybe i find it there :)) have a good day :D
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14:32<Guest1983>there's nothing in the log, thank you, i give up. I'll reinstall asap
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17:47<warden>Hello. Do you know when gnome 3.18 or 3.20 will come for debian stable?
17:47<sney>not until the next debian stable release, at the earliest
17:47<sney>debian 8 will not receive any version upgrades, because that's how stable works
17:48<sney>,v gnome-shell
17:48<judd>Package: gnome-shell on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7+deb7u2; jessie: 3.14.4-1~deb8u1; sid: 3.20.2-1; stretch: 3.20.2-1
17:48<sney>testing has 3.20 so debian 9 will have at least 3.20
17:49<warden>Current release is 8.4 for debian right?
17:49<warden>How many will it get?
17:49<sney>as many as it needs, you can't really use the point releases as a progress bar
17:50<warden>I saw a site 0d. Something stating gnome 3.18 is almost up to sate in both testing and unstable
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17:51<sney>looks like it's 3.20 in testing/unstable according to judd's response a few lines back
17:51<sney>(sid and stretch are the unstable and testing codenames, respectively)
17:51<warden>Yes on official site it says debian unstable is tracking gnome 3.20
17:52<musca>!gnome status
17:52<dpkg>Status of GNOME 3.20 packaging can be found at
17:53<warden>So when this all is 100% up to date it can come in stable?
17:53<sney>no, when debian 9 is released it will get the version in testing at that time
17:53<warden>I see
17:53<sney>debian 8 (stable) will not get new version upgrades for anything
17:54<warden>OK I am covered
17:54<warden>Thanks a lot people
17:55<warden>Have a nice rest of the day
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18:05<appl3s>Hi, this page ( says "[nginx] is a dependency package to install either nginx-full (by default) or nginx-light." Does that mean, 'nginx' is required by 'nginx-full' or vice-versa?
18:06<sney>vice versa
18:06<sney>and all 3 packages there are metapackages
18:06<appl3s>O_o have to lookup what that means, 1 sec :P
18:07<appl3s>Ah, ok
18:07<appl3s>sney: So what'd be the actual package in this case?
18:08<sney>correction, nginx-full is an actual package, I thought it was more modular like apache2
18:08<appl3s>yep, now it makes sense
18:08<appl3s>'nginx' is the meta package here, right?
18:08<sney> see description and list of dependencies
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18:11<appl3s>sney: Thanks, everything makes sense now :)
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18:38<appl3s>I am building .deb package from source. Can someone tell me if `dpkg-buildpackage -b` should be run with super user privileges? i.e. do I need to use sudo as in `sudo dpkg-buildpackage -b`?
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18:39<appl3s>I see no errors or apparent issues building .deb packages that way without sudo, but I want to confirm anyway
18:39<Zycorax>Appl3s: there are often packages like fakeroot whose purpose is not to need sudo
18:39<sney>nope, package building is not even supposed to be done as root
18:39<appl3s>oh great! :)
18:40<Zycorax>Dpkg-buildpackage has a flag to select the 'de-rooting' method
18:40<appl3s>Zycorax: I'd need fakeroot if I am unable to create package without sudo right? `dpkg-buildpackage -b` works just fine do I still need that?
18:41<Zycorax>I can't say for certain to be honest. I haven't build packages in a lot of time. If it works don't break it?
18:42<appl3s>heh :)
18:42<appl3s>Lastly, I presume I must use sudo when installing these packages? (Nginx in my case.) i.e. `sudo dpkg -i *.deb` or just `dpkg -i *.deb`?
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18:43<dpkg>The packaging tutorial ( and the New Maintainer's Guide ( are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>.
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18:43<appl3s>ok, thank yoy very much!
18:44<appl3s>(I will take a look at them, thanks.)
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19:05<kion>what is the little window that comes up with Alt + F2 for?
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19:07<mtn>kion: running commands
19:07<kion>mtn, like a terminal?
19:07<mtn>kion: right
19:08<kion>mtn, so what is the difference, I just did top and nothing happened....
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19:08<mtn>kion: top needs to run in a terminal, so it won't work in atl+f2, which is not a terminal, really
19:09<mtn>kion: put gedit in the alt+f2 window
19:09<kion>mtn, ok cool, I just did...
19:10<mtn>kion: so, if it will run without needing a terminal to run in, you can use alt+f2
19:11<kion>mtn, what is the benefit? I mean you can always bring a terminal and type right?
19:11<mtn>kion: convience
19:12<kion>mtn, ok got it, I guess it's a little bit faster
19:12<mtn>kion: no need for the mouse, for one thing
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19:56<devster>what could be wrong with a system if sync hangs indefinitely?
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20:20<viin>ANY One here////
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20:21<retrospectacus>hundreds, as you can see
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20:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
20:23<cruncher>:D he was already gone
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20:28<cruncher>ups, sorry
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20:30<CutMeOwnThroat>you intimidated him... should have said "dozens"
20:30<CutMeOwnThroat>or maybe better just "no"
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20:33<retrospectacus>Yeah most unfortunate - I'm sure he had a very interesting and well-thought-out support issue
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20:39<CutMeOwnThroat>can there be a doubt...
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22:42<vortek>sorry bout reconectin
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23:52<lucas-arg>hello all
23:52<lucas-arg>just wanted to know if there is any statistics software in debian repos??
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