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02:35<appl3s>Hi, is the location of fastcgi.conf (which resides in `/etc/conf`) hard-coded into Nginx? I ask because it's referenced in `/etc/nginx/snippets/fastcgi-php.conf` as `include fastcgi.conf` which means Nginx would look for fastcgi.conf under `/etc/nginx/snippets` instead of `/etc/conf`, where it wouldn't find it. Or does Nginx work in such a way that when it doesn't find a file it's looking for in a said location (e.g. using `include`), it starts
02:35<appl3s>looking for it in the main config. directory i.e. /etc/nginx?
02:35<appl3s>or is this a bug?
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02:41<calebwill>appl3s: which file says "/etc/conf"? there is a file /etc/ngnix/fastcgi.conf
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02:44<appl3s>calebwill: Sorry that's supposed to be `/etc/nginx`. To be precise, `/etc/nginx/snippets/fastcgi-php.conf` tells Nginx to look for fastcgi.conf in `/etc/nginx/snippets` (using `include fastcgi.conf` directive). But fastcgi.conf is in `/etc/nginx`, so Nginx won't find it.
02:45<appl3s>So in this case, is Nginx coded such that it automatically reverts to looking for a file in the main nginx config. directory (`/etc/nginx`) when it doesn't find a file in a defined location?
02:46<appl3s>If not, it's broken; a bug isn't it?
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02:47<appl3s>(This applies to both Debian & Ubuntu.)
02:48<jm_>well does it find it or not?
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02:51<calebwill>appl3s: nginx.conf includes sites-enabled/*, and sites-enabled/default has a commented include of that snippet. I don't use nginx but it seems like the CWD would still be /etc/nginx
02:53<appl3s>jm: No idea. Nginx could probably be using defaults as well like calebwill is suggesting
02:54<appl3s>right now I am referencing the full path in my conf. just to be safe.
02:54<jm_>appl3s: ok so there's no actual problem you are trying to solve
02:54<appl3s>I am new to Nginx as well
02:55<appl3s>jm_: On the contrary, it's an additional directive in my conf. (I prefer defaults when they are good)
02:55<appl3s>I just wanted to ask if it's a bug
02:55<appl3s>(...that needs to be fixed)
02:55<jm_>simple strace would reveal where it looks for it
02:56<appl3s>can you provide an example? Newbie here.
02:56<jm_>you need to trace nging startup or reload, whichever loads config files
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02:57<appl3s>ah ok 1 sec
02:57<jm_>or if nginx has a debug mode (or somesuch) which shows files it loads that's even better
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03:01<appl3s>nothing relevant in `sudo strace systemctl reload nginx`
03:01<appl3s>I will will look into debug mode
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03:03<jm_>you'd need to strace systemd not systemctl
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03:06<jim>trying -this- #debian... I have a asus z97 mobo... how can I find out if it has any bluetooth stuff on it?
03:07<jm_>jim: which specific asus mb?
03:07<jm_>probably best to look at its specs on their page
03:07<somiaj>jim: please don't cross-post
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03:12<jim>jm_, z97, maybe the E version
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03:12<jm_>jim: they have a gazillion z97 models, dmidecode shall give you specific model
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03:15<jim>long listing... looking thru it
03:15<somiaj>jim: you shouldn't cross post because now you are getting help in both channels and jm_ may not have noticed you have been pointed at lshw
03:15<somiaj>it should list most hardware on your system
03:16<jm_>yeah I am not on freenode :)
03:16<jim>anyway, I have dmidecode (I'm looking thru that now), and dont have lshw
03:16<somiaj>jim: then install it
03:16<somiaj>jim: you were even told what package it was in.
03:17<somiaj>lshw surprinsing enough
03:17<jm_>probably System Information or Base Board Information sections
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03:17<jim>lemme get thru the dmidecode listing
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03:18<jm_>also grep -i z97 shall probably find it
03:19<somiaj>dmesg may list it too, as the kernel may have already detected it
03:19<jim>it says it's an Z97-E/USB 3.1 (I have uuid if you want)
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03:20<jim>Serial Number: 150851456800219
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03:22<jm_>doesn't list bluetooth
03:22<jim>ok, thanks
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03:24<jim>jm_, how did you find the list of what that has?
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03:41<gonzalo> Hi, I have a problem with NetworkManager, it disable the networks cards... Logs: (NetworkManager<info> disable requested (sleeping: no enabled: yes))
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03:50<chele>gonzalo so what's the problem?
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03:53<gonzalo>chele Sometimes network manager disables network cards when are connected and logs says " disable requested (sleeping: no enabled: yes"
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03:54<gonzalo>chele what is causing "disable requested" ? and sorry for my english
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04:07<grove>gonzalo: Your engluish
04:09<grove>gonzalo: Your english is easy enough to understand, but if you're uncomfortable writing in english, tell us what language you prefer, and we might be able to refer you to anoher IRC channel (sorry about the partial line, enter and backspace are really close)
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04:17<vortek>any ideas to why my sound died? i was using pulse audio when it happned, and a reboot will not fix it.
04:18<duclicsic>maybe your speakers are broken?
04:19<duclicsic>you'll have to be a bit more detailed i'm afraid, what have you tried, is pulse audio running, any obvious errors in syslog?
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04:19<vortek>im checking syslog now
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04:20<vortek>nope just stuff bout my wifi in there
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04:20<vortek>i mean all 3 speakers failed at the same time
04:21<vortek>and at the time they stoped working pulsaudio app ws att botton of screen and it did somethiing tat i cant recall
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04:26<vortek>duclicsic: it shows the sound playing in pulseaudio
04:26<vortek>i just dont here it
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04:27<duclicsic>checked that it's playing through the correct output device? volume isn't zero or muted?
04:27<duclicsic>checked the cable that connects your speakers?
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04:28<vortek>all the above yes
04:28<vortek>ill try reinstalling that should resett everything :F
04:30<vortek>cuase if i do a complete removel it wont have the borked sttings
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04:37<gonzalo>grove, no problem, I understand english, but I don't write it very well
04:37<gonzalo>any solution for my problem? or any idea?
04:38<tixnok>guys i wanna format my flashdisk, but the results is "read-only system" can anyone help me
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04:40<vortek>duclicsic: didn;t help but in my sound apps it shows the sound vars going up and down like something is playing
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04:43<vortek>I FIXED IT duclicsic
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04:44<vortek>duclicsic: i had to run amixer -D pulse sset Master toggle
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04:46<jm_>then it was muted wasn't it?
04:48<vortek>yeah but starngly not iin the g.u.i.
04:49<vortek>not it any of my sound programs nor pulse audio volume controll
04:49<vortek>all of them showed the sound maxed out and the bar the moves up and down with the sound moved
04:50<vortek>well it moves to the right in paulse audio volume
04:50<vortek>of ot was muted that bar wouldnt of moved
04:50<jm_>maxed out != unmuted
04:51<jm_>well not sure about gui tools, but in alsamixer tty app it does not behave that way
04:52<vortek>yeah i had sound turned up on console too
04:52<vortek>In setups with multiple outputs (e.g. 'Headphone' and 'Speaker') using plain amixer to toggle Master can trigger PulseAudio to mute the active output too, but it does not necessarily unmute it when Master is toggled back to be unmuted. To resolve this, amixer must have the device flag set to 'pulse':
04:52<vortek>here i found that above the command that got it to work
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04:52<vortek>and i ran
04:53<vortek>amixer -D pulse sset Master toggle
04:53<vortek>to fix it like the guide siad too
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04:59<dtw>Is it safe to disable rsyslog daemon? Do I lose anything if I use only systemd journal?
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05:00<vortek>night folks!
05:00<ansgar>dtw: If you want to have persistent logs, you need to configure journald to store them on disk first (see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz). Otherwise removing rsyslog is just fine.
05:01<ansgar>dtw: And if you use tools that look at log files, make sure they also look at the journal.
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05:03<dtw>Yes. I have Storage=persistent systemd journal and currently I just manually use journalctl for investigating logs.
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06:41<LostSoul_>Hi, I've got this problem with migrating Debian 3.0 from Xen to KVM, I wanted to install kernel from lenny but it's not allowing me till I don't do get-update -f install which result in reinstalling dev-libc6 or sth similar, after all few packets are not able to start with new initrd kernel
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06:42<LostSoul_>I'm getting portmap relocation error, which came from not knows GLIBC symbols
06:43<LostSoul_>Is there any safe way to upgrade kernel in such old stuff?
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06:43<LostSoul_>I need it for network virtualization
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07:01<grove>LostSoul_: Debian 3.0 is so old that you're going to get much help anywhere, Lenny (Debian 5 if I remember correctly, that's also extremely old) kernels probably won't work -- and please provide complete in- and output from the commands instead of attempting to interpret it
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07:26<LostSoul_>Sure grove
07:26<LostSoul_>I will do it later today
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08:59<cat6>does anyone know of a update notifier thingy that works with MATE desktop and does something visually like flashing a panel icon, spawn a popup window, or similar?
08:59<cat6>I've been scripting my own but it isnt perfect yet
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09:08<yuhlw_>How can I declare things in /etc/network/interfaces so that I can stop or start only a ipv4 or ipv6
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09:10<lupine>maybe have an eth0.1 and an eth0.1, TBH I wouldn't try it
09:10<lupine>.1 and .2*
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09:11<duclicsic>that notation is typically used for vlans, and if you have the 8021w driver it'll probably configure them as such
09:12<duclicsic>you could use eth0:1 eth0:2 etc, but that way is kinda deprecated afaik
09:12<duclicsic>probably still works though, but i don't think the iproute2 tools work well with them
09:12<yuhlw_>so I start an interfaces with "iface eth0.ipv4 inet static" for ipv4, and "iface eth0.ipv6 inet6 static" for ipv6 ?
09:12<lupine>worth a try
09:12<lupine>maybe systemd-networkd has better support
09:12<lupine>ifupdown is pretty awful
09:13<yuhlw_>Can't I say, start this conf.
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09:14<yuhlw_>I thought about using interfaces.d/main4.conf and tell ifup to use this file.
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09:16<yuhlw_>but I haven't be able to do such !
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09:21<duclicsic>why do you want to selectively enable/disable the different address families?
09:22<duclicsic>to be fair, all the interfaces file and ifupdown are doing is adding/removing addresses from the interface. you could just as well bypass all of that and make ipv4/6 up/down scripts that just do "ip addr add ..." and "ip addr del ..."
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09:28<ondrej_g>hi, if I want to use the BPO kernel, what other packages should I also upgrade? firmware comes to mind ...
09:29<lupine>definitely the firmware
09:30<ondrej_g>what about graphics drivers and mesa?
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09:31<ondrej_g>I want to try this mainly because I have suspend issues with this fairly new notebook with a Broadwell CPU
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09:35<BishamonX>Hey guys. Just a random question, what's your choice for a simple dock on a Debian (Stretch)?
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09:37<lupine>I wouldn't try upgrading those
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09:43<pipedream>Hi, after an update yesterday my debian testing box dns is broken (but I can dig from my nameserver, and resolv.conf is correct). Can someone assist me to debug? (is there a better channel?)
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09:47<xormor>there is something wrong with aptitude -t jessie-backports full-upgrade
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09:48<xormor>it wanted to remove cinnamon, and I let it do it, then my desktop froze (because cinnamon was no longer there), and I logged out, logged into the virtual console (tty1) and then I did apt-get install cinnamon, and I was able to log back in. jessie-backports is all backwards. it claims I have old packages and wants to remove my Cinnamon!
09:48<haha>hello everyone, I have a question?
09:49<haha>What diff schroot and chroot?
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09:58<grove>pipedream: #debian-next is the place for help with testing
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10:04<FLD>how do i debug a situation where "mount server:/ /nfs/server" just hangs without any warning/error messages on either client or server side?
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10:05<pipedream>grove: tx
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10:13<Infiltrator>I'm trying to run fsck (well, actually lvresize, but it's not getting that far) on /dev/mapper/LVM-var, but it's saying that it's in use, even though I've umounted it. What else could be using it?
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10:14<Infiltrator>lsof returns nothing; fuser won't do anything because it's mounted, right?
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10:23<Infiltrator>Ah, it's probably the kernel, right? How do I get the kernel to tell me whether it's using /dev/mapper/LVM-var and how do I tell the kernel to release it?
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10:44<Ben_>Hello, is this the right place to ask a quick Debian question?
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10:44<Drzacek>Hello. It may seem silly, but is this #debian-test? :D
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10:45<cmarzullo>go ahead Ben_
10:45<Infiltrator>Drzacek: Nope.
10:46<duclicsic>Drzacek: what are you looking for? this is #debian which is for support on the current stable release, if you want help with testing the correct channel is #debian-next
10:47<Ben_>Thanks. I'm running Debian Jessie 8.4. I want to create a multiboot USB. I notice there are sites that offer software for that but I'm not seeing anything official from Debian. Is that right?
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10:48<Ben_>(The ones I'm looking at are: and
10:48<Drzacek>duclicsic, my bad, got mistaken with debian-next. Don't know where did that test come from
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10:54<Ben_>(Should I just assume from the lack of response that nobody here knows the answer to my multiboot USB question?)
10:54<cmarzullo>Ben_: I'm not an expert on multiboot. But I suspect you are right. Multiboot doesn't really intersect with debian too much. Any guide that show linux multiboot 'should' work with debian.
10:55<cmarzullo>I do more pxe booting than usb booting.
10:55<Ben_>Thank you, cmarzullo. Just when I thought nobody was responding.
10:55<cmarzullo>IRC is funny like that. I don't always tab over.
10:56<cmarzullo>just depends on who's watching.
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10:59<Ben_>I try to not run binaries from places on the net, but I'm wondering if the folks here would trust a site like or that multibootusb sourceforge project. Is it foolish to just dpkg -i the .deb they provide?
10:59<grove>cmarzullo: I might also matter that you only posted links to your questions, if people just take a quick look at their IRC they might not look at links (I don't know much about multiboot, so I won't be able to help no matter what, just trying to help on form)
11:00<Ben_>grove: Thank you, I'm new to IRC usage so any etiquette tips are appreciated.
11:00<grove>That was for Ben_, sorry for the highlight cmarzullo
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11:04<Ben_>grove: What would be a better way to ask if Debian has a program that creates a multiboot USB? Should I not have pasted the links?
11:05<duclicsic>Ben_: i don't see an issue with the way you asked the question, providing links was relevant..
11:05<duclicsic>we encourage people not to 'ask to ask', but that's something you wouldn't know :)
11:05<Ben_>duclicsic: Ok. Thanks!
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11:11<grove>Ben_: I missed the second line you wrote, and though those links where to other places you had asked your question, you did right
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11:14<Ben_>grove: Thank you. If I'm reading the FAQ correctly, I should wait eight hours and ask my question about multiboot USB again. Right?
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11:20<Ben_>What is the standard advice for installing random .deb files from sites like sourceforge? Do it cautiously or never do it?
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11:24<Maulkin>Ben_: generally don't.
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11:25<Maulkin>Ben_: similar to installing anything else from the internet, except it's running as root
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11:28<yuta>Will you use Debian stretch , is it good for Desktop?
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11:29<grove>yuta: Questions about Stretch are better suited for #debian-next
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11:29<Ben_>Yeah, installing random .deb files seemed like a bad idea to me, too. So, do most people here just compile the source code themselves when they run across a program they want that's not in the repository?
11:30<cmarzullo>Ben_: Some folks package. I package stuff for my org that isn't updated in debian yet.
11:30<Maulkin>Ben_: Generally, if it's not in the repository, I try not to install it :) What in particular are you looking at?
11:30<yuta>Thank you for your kindness grove :)
11:31<Ben_>I'm looking at, which claims to be a GPL'd project.
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11:35<jmlongo>Ben_: yumi is a multiboot usb manager that's on Debian repositories ... maybe you could try it if you haven't already
11:36<Maulkin>Ben_: Looks like it's just a GUI for managing a syslinux install on a USB disk.
11:36<Ben_>jmlongo: Thank you, I had looked for yumi with apt-cache search (on my Jessie box) but I guess I should have googled.
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11:41<Ben_>multibootusb is "just a GUI" for syslinux? I prefer to use the command line, but the syslinux howto didn't seem to have an easy way to stick multiple ISOs onto a USB stick.
11:42<jmlongo>hmm ... just checked ... seems like it's not in the repos ... :( ... please disregard my comment
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11:47<Maulkin>Ben_: Or you can probably use grub:
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11:52<Ben_>Maulkin: Thanks. I'll check out the Arch Linux link. (I'm not sure MEMDISK is a good idea since I'd like the USB to boot even on low memory machines).
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11:52<Maulkin>Ben_: yeah, if you're comfortable with the command line, then probably just grub would work.
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11:52<Ben_>Maulkin: Yup. Love the command line.
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11:55<Ben_>One last question: given that already has packaged their software for Debian, how hard would it be to get it to be in the official repositories?
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12:06<Ben_>Thanks everyone for all your help. Bye!
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12:25<atee>i have a clean installed debian 8 (32bit) how can i install pepperflashplayer ?
12:25<atee>for chromium
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12:26<atee>there is a link for that
12:27<atee>but it doenst work even if i add contrib and non-free into sources.list
12:27<towo`>you can't
12:27<towo`>there is no 32bit pepperflash anymore because there is no 32bit chrome anymore
12:28<atee>what :O
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12:28<atee>so i have to use adobe flash for chromium ?
12:28<towo`>there is no adobe flash for chromium
12:29<atee>so i cant watch flash videos in chromium anymore ?
12:29<towo`>use html5
12:30<towo`>and if the site does not provide html5, forget such sites
12:30<towo`>or buy a recent computer which handles 64bit
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12:38<jhutchins_wk>I really wish there were an upgrade path for 32 to 64. Seems even more common than upgrading releases.
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12:53<jose>Hi, i testing Debian SID and openssl system CAs doesn't seems to work correctly
12:53<jose>openssl s_client -showcerts -connect
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12:53<jose>fails with, Verify return code: 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate)
12:53<jose>This work fine with Jessie
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13:09<jhutchins_wk>jose: You might want to mention this in #debian-next
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13:29<lakj>hi guys. I'm writing a script to automatically fetch and download the latest flashplugin to update iceweasel. Does anyone know a url where I can fetch the latest version of flashplugin .tar.gz?
13:29<lakj>because seem to me that the official download page change its url at each update
13:30<Maulkin>lakj: It exists already in Debian - see flashplugin-nonfree
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13:41<lakj>Maulkin: After issuing update-flashplugin-nonfree --install Iceweasel didn't update... do you know a little more with this command? I always updated manually
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13:43<Maulkin>lakj: can you do --verbose?
13:43<Maulkin>Also, see
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13:45<lakj>Maulkin: did it, do you wanna see?
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14:14<cat6>lakj: dont rely on the debian flashplugin-nonfree package as it is now. it is not updated since some time with security patches
14:15<cat6>lakj: so currently using that package is just unsafe
14:15<lakj>i will uninstal
14:15<lakj>and update everything manually
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14:16<Nemoder>adobe does not provide a newer version except for chrome with pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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14:16<cat6>flashplayer-nonfree is only updated to Flash Player version available on upstream site:
14:17<cat6>there is a bug report but the maintainer hasnt fixed it
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14:21<cat6>Nemoder: are you saying that the script that comes with flashplayer-nonfree, that reports that there is a newer version available, does not report a version for mozilla but for chrome or what?
14:22<Nemoder>sorry, was not aware of that bug
14:22<cat6>oh ok
14:22<Nemoder>but last I heard adobe had retired NPAPI for flash
14:22<cat6>I don't even know what that means :)
14:22<Nemoder>it's the plugin interface firefox uses
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14:23<cat6>they just stopped developing for firefox?
14:23<Nemoder>on linux yes
14:24<cat6>then flashplayer-nonfree should be removed/disabled from the repos if there are no security patches coming
14:24<Nemoder>there is something called freshplayer that is suppoed to allow the chrome one to work in firefox but i dont know how reliably
14:24<cat6>hmm. I might try it later
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14:27<lakj>I just uninstalled it
14:27<lakj>I do it manually, (actually I have a script that update, but everytime I have to download the tar.gz manually)
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14:37<Dek0>How can i add a new OS to Grub under jessie?
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14:45<cusco>Dek0: if it is on your hard disks update-grub will find it.. I guess
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14:50<Dek0>cusco: its on a second hard disk i just installed. update-grub only found one image on the local hard disk
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15:29<musca>hi Dek0, update-grub uses the os-prober package to detect other systems. All your systems should™ share the same boot method, either EFI or Bios.
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15:34<Dek0>Thanks musca. Sorry if this is a stupid question, but can i check on what boot-methods my diffrent OS' run?
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15:38<musca>hmm. EFI systems need an Efi System Partition (ESP), which holds the EFI bootloaders of your OSes.
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15:55<narcose>Hi, I've configured a bridge in /etc/network/intefraces . The problem is that it doesn't come up. If I do ifup br0, it says "cannot find device". However if I manually is brctl addbr br0, and then run ifup br0, the bridge is configured succesfully. Should I configure something outside /etc/network/interfaces?
15:56<narcose>Reading the doc , I doesn't seem needed
15:58<jmlongo>could it be that something like NetworkManager is controlling the network config?
15:59<narcose>could be, it is a clean install and debian is not my forté :)
16:00<Dek0>musca: i think you found my problem, one drive got a MBR and the other a GPT. Thank you for your assistance
16:00<narcose>its just a minimal install
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16:01<narcose>hm can not find a service network-manager or nm running as a proc
16:03<jmlongo>and no "etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf" ?
16:03<jmlongo>then it might be something else
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16:04<narcose>not even dir /etc/NetworkManager
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16:09<jmlongo>sounds like a windows advice ... but maybe if you set it up in the interfaces file and reboot it'll work
16:10<jmlongo>or taking down the network service and bringing it up again ...
16:10<narcose>rebooted it already a couple of times
16:10<narcose>no joy :(
16:11<jmlongo>I'm out of ideas then :(
16:11<jmlongo>but someone moe knowledgeable will come around soon for sure
16:12<jmlongo>and give you a better advice :)
16:12<narcose>well thanks anyway
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16:16<narcose>ok found it
16:17<narcose>so initially I made a mistake in my config
16:17<narcose>and removed bridge_ports
16:17<narcose>so that I still had network on eth0
16:17<narcose>turns out without bridge_ports
16:17<narcose>bridge_ports eth0
16:17<narcose>the bridge is not made
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16:22<fennfloof>swappiness=100 is probably not the best thing to do with only 30MB of swap in your system
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17:19<run_dfc>does the priority of a package as specified in its control file have any influence on what decisions apt-get/aptitude will make about upgrading/removing the package when trying to satisfy dependencies?
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17:41<babilen>run_dfc: no
17:42<babilen>Well, to a certain degree (e.g. essential packages aren't removed)
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17:47<run_dfc>babilen: thx; it sounds like essential is more what we want
17:47<babilen>What are you trying to achieve/do ?
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17:49<run_dfc>i have a local repo that has multiple versions of a package in it that conflict with one another
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17:50<run_dfc>actually, it's a bit messier than that; there are kernel-module packages (each named module-name-<kver>), but they depend on a corresponding version of a userland tool
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17:51<run_dfc>and the different versions of the userland packages conflict with one another
17:51<run_dfc>all of the kernel-module packages have their priority set to important
17:52<babilen>But you have one package per version?
17:52<babilen>(that is upgraded/maintained independently)
17:53<run_dfc>so we can't enable that repo during the installer b/c it tries to install all of the kernel-module versions & the corresponding userland packages but the userland packages conflict with one another
17:53<babilen>Why would it do that?
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17:54<run_dfc>tasksel during the installer selects all packages with a priority of at least important
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17:54<babilen>Ah, you pull it in via the standard task. Sure, make your packages optional
17:55<run_dfc>is it reasonable to make them optional but essential?
17:55<babilen>Or even extra
17:55<babilen>No, that is not reasonably
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17:56<babilen>Your packages shouldn't be essential
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17:58<babilen>You can naturally do whatever you want in your packages ;)
17:58<run_dfc_>babilen: sure, just trying to do the "best" thing
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17:59<run_dfc_>my objective is to be able to enable this repo during install, but protect these packages once they're installed from accidental/automated removal/upgrade
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18:00<babilen>Setting essential would achieve that
18:01<babilen>Do you ever want to switch from one package to another? (because also then apt will complain bitterly if you remove the package)
18:02<babilen>apt doesn't just remove packages on a whim btw and you could upgrade your systems with "apt-get upgrade --with-new-pkgs" all the time, for example.
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18:07<run_dfc_>babilen: i do upgrade from one pair of module & userland packages to another
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18:08<babilen>My recommendation would be to not use Essential .. it's getting late now. #debian-mentors is the channel for asking packaging question, but it is mostly meant for support of people who try to get help for packages that are meant for Debian itself.
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18:09<run_dfc_>babilen: thx so much for your help; i will probably start without Essential & see the results
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18:11<babilen>run_dfc_: All the best, in the end you have to decide how likely it is that people will accidentally remove those packages and what the ramifications are.
18:12<babilen>I mean if it boils down to "Well, I removed software. Now I can't use it. I will blame the vendor!" then you might either get nice customer support that tells them "Sir, it is quite normal that you can't use software you removed"
18:13<babilen>Essential is *big* hammer that will be annoying if you ever want to remove that package (even just to replace it with another version)
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18:15<run_dfc_>babilen: this is all internal, so i just don't want this to be the cause of any outages
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18:16<run_dfc_>babilen: thx again!
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18:17<babilen>run_dfc_: As I said: apt won't just decide to remove it on a whim and to annoy you. That doesn't protect you from people running "apt-get --purge autoremove module-name-<kver>, but if that's your problem Essential won't help you either
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18:19<debinerd>Just installed Debian!
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18:27<retrospectacus>nice work
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18:30<debinerd>youre welcome
18:30<debinerd>I used to have Linux Mint but I wanted freedom
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19:21<dominik>Good evening everyone, i just got a quick question: is it possible (and safe) to install the newest 4.6 kernel from a non debian repository? I already run the latest kernal from official debian testing but still got some problems with my skylake cpu which i hope the new kernel could fix
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19:24<ryouma>i can't help you with your q, but curiouys what problems?
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19:26<dominik>complete freezes when using an external monitor
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19:30<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I would like to solve a doubt here: what exactly is going to happen here ?
19:30<R4F_Debian>I currently use Iceweasel 38.8.0 in Debian Jessie 8.5
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19:33<ryouma>dominik: that makes me more wary of an (i think skylake) i5 i was considering getting for jessie, even though i am using a desklop
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19:44<petn-randall>dominik: Which release of Debian are you running?
19:44<dominik>ryouma: i would just wait a bit and see if kernel 4.6 or intel microcode fixes the problems
19:45<dominik>petn-randall: jessie (but with 4.5 kernel)
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19:47<petn-randall>dominik: If you need a 4.6 kernel, either build it yourself (it's three shell commands), or wait until it hits jessie-backports in the next days.
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19:48<petn-randall>dominik: I discourage from adding 3rd party repos, as people in here are not fond of helping if you break your system that way.
19:48<dominik>petn-randall: ok thanks for the advice, i'll try to build it myself if it doenst hit backports in the next few days. I was just curious if it was a good idea to just use one from another rep
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19:49<petn-randall>dominik: Building the Linux kernel is pretty straight-forward. Download the sources (or clone the git repo), run 'make -j8 deb-pkg', and install the resulting Debian package falling out.
19:50<dominik>petn-randall: thanks! i'll do that right after i made a complete backup, just in case i mess something up (which i'm known for)
19:51<petn-randall>dominik: Sure, do that. You might need to install a few -dev packages, but a little google foo should tell you which ones they are.
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19:56<ryouma>the part about the backup is most intimidating is getting your backup so that you know that booting will work
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20:08<LostSoul_>Anybody around?
20:08<LostSoul_>I'm trying to migrate Debian 3.0 from xen to kvm
20:08<LostSoul_>I would love to get some help is any master around? :)
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20:15<LostSoul_>And I need it running man
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20:16<LostSoul_>3.1 did it and started with lenny kernel on kvm
20:16<LostSoul_>But this 3.0 have problems while I try to upgrade kernel to version that support virtual networking
20:17<GLolol>i don't think that's supported anymore
20:17<blast007>3.0 hasn't had security updates since 2006
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20:25<sney>LostSoul_: nobody is going to have 3.0 specific knowledge so more specific problem descriptions would be good.
20:25<sney>kernel upgrade... why not use e1000
20:26<LostSoul_>sney: Tell me more on e1000, please
20:27<sney>libvirt guests have a couple different options for network drivers. one is virtio which I guess you are trying to use? but there is also an emulated intel e1000 and some 10/100 realtek available iirc.
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20:28<sney>the docs for qemu-kvm will have much more info than I remember, but I am sure virtio is not required
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20:28<sney>the emulated intel/realtek options are not as fast as virtio obviously but they offer more broad compatibility
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20:33<devoxel>Is there anywhere to discuss theming? I'm a GSoc student, but I have an eye for design as well and I thought I'd submit a simple theme for stretch. I saw the email :)
20:34<devoxel>Obviously the theme will be worked on after my GSoc duties.
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20:38<LostSoul_>Thanks sney
20:38<LostSoul_>I will give it a try
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20:40<sney>devoxel: I *think* #debian-devel would be the place to ask
20:40<LostSoul_>As I can't upgrade I will go this way
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20:57<lfam_>Does anybody know the source of this patch for Expat?
20:58<lfam_>The hash it refers to doesn't seem to exist in the Expat repo
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21:51<devoxel>lfam_: im working in the debsources team atm but thats not my area of expertise. if you think we'd be able to help thwn join #debian-debsources
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21:53<devoxel>package maintainer:
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22:03<twb>Why isn't there a !why firefox, now that iceweasel has been renamed back to mozilla's trademark?
22:03<twb>The answer appears to be here:
22:05<sney>there is a !firefox that covers some of it
22:05<twb>Okey dokey
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22:11<twb>if I prefer iceweasel branding, can I keep it? ;-)
22:12<twb>Ah apparently that lives in mozilla land instead of in apt land
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22:13<devoxel>does debian go straight upstream now? surely they keep a package for it no?
22:13<twb>"Currently (as of 2016-04-11) there is no Debian package to install that add-on."
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22:14<devoxel>twb: I see it now! yes, although I think having a debian package that was generated simply by duping that addon and delta-ing it post install would easy to maintain
22:15<devoxel>if you wanted to do that :L
22:16<devoxel>I don't think you'd be breaking terms by creating another route to access the package, if you really felt it neccessary to bring it to apt-land
22:17<twb>I prefer everything to be in apt because I'd rather trust {debian} than {debian,pypi,rubygems,npm,hackage,...}
22:18<twb>But me, I was really only asking out of curiosity. I avoid GUI browsers wherever I can :-)
22:21<devoxel>twb: that's probably a good motto tbh, I put a lot of trust into all sorts of repos... On the note of terminal browsers, what should I use to test debsources against?
22:21<devoxel>since i'm refactoring the view of debsources quite heavily, and I do want to ensure it's still usable for terminal users
22:22<twb>They're all pretty terrible
22:23<twb>eww is actually maintained; I still use w3m and w3m-el but they're mostly abandoned. My other main browser is princexml, which is proprietary software from howcome, the CSS guy. It renders to a PDF and then I "browse" in XPDF.
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22:23<twb>I use lynx/links2/elinks family in some mail scraping scripts, but I can't vouch for them.
22:23<devoxel>somebody should get on making a free pdf web browser
22:24<twb>shall we move to #d-offtopic?
22:25<devoxel>yes, I need to join that though
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22:26<santexnik>guys after new update icweasel lost its icon
22:27<santexnik>how do i get the icon back
22:27<sney>santexnik: it's firefox now. icon/name change
22:28<santexnik>ok . but how do i get the icon back to firewfox
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22:31<twb>santexnik: notes are on here
22:31<twb>santexnik: you can get the name back to iceweasel *inside* the app by installing a mozilla "addon", apparently. But I don't think that will change the XDG app menu name & icon
22:32<santexnik>ok thanks
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22:33<ryouma>twb: w3m-el is actively maintained
22:33<twb>yeah OK. w3m-el is; w3m isn't.
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23:09<Infiltrator>Is there a tool in Debian which can detect files which have large sections of zeroes in them? I recently had hard drive failure and I'd like to know which files were damaged.
23:10<dpkg>rumour has it, debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "aptitude install debsums; debsums -a -s". Most packages come with md5sums included in the package; if apt's package cache is clean, then generate missing sums with "aptitude reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>.
23:13<Infiltrator>sney: Thanks. I'll use it to check all my packages. But is there something which I can use for all my other files which do not have previously generated sums?
23:13<twb>It works better if you install it in advance, because some packages don't include pre-generated sums
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23:15<sney>for finding large numbers of zeroes in the general sense, you could use a combination of find, grep, and /dev/zero, but "large numbers of zeroes" are certainly not the only symptom of file corruption where I come from
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23:16<Infiltrator>twb: Is it a recommended package? It should be. I'll stick it on all of my systems from now.
23:16<twb>It's not pulled in by default
23:16<twb>My office BCP is to do: - Install debsums and run "debsums --generate=missing --silent".
23:17<Infiltrator>sney: That's true. But it a failed HD, and I pulled the LVs off that PV. I'm pretty sure that LVM would put zeroes in places of read errors.
23:17<Infiltrator>s/it a/it was a/
23:18<twb>Sounds like you need RAID
23:18<sney>or zfs :)
23:18<twb>yeah except maybe he actually wants the array to work when it's 81% full, instead of just grinding to a halt
23:18<Infiltrator>twb: Yeah, I mirrored the important (and not too large) LVs.
23:19<Infiltrator>twb: ?
23:19<Infiltrator>Oh, zfs is buggy?
23:19<twb>I have a horrible opensolaris ZFS array that dies all the time
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23:19<Infiltrator>I'm using LVM's RAID1 now.
23:20<sney>zfs is fantastic IME but I'm not running volumes close to capacity. I know about that gotcha but at that point you add another vdev and keep going
23:20<Infiltrator>Fingers crossed that 1/3 drives survives in case the other two decide to die. :P
23:21<twb>I've had much better exepriencess with btrfs
23:22<sney>I'm looking forward to when btrfs is mentioned without wailing and gnashing of teeth so I can justify evaluating it for prod
23:22<Infiltrator>So, would you guys recommend zfs, btrfs, LVM RAID1, or something else?
23:22<ryouma>will debian choose btrfs as default in a release that is not too distant?
23:22<twb>The most conservative/reliable approach is mdadm RAID1 + LVM + ext4
23:22<sney>ryouma: probably within our lifetimes
23:23<ryouma>i remember ext3 had a bug. i created a million files in a directory. corruption.
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23:23<Infiltrator>twb: So actually RAID1 the underlying drives first and then LVM on top? Is RAID1 on top of LVM that much worse?
23:23<sney>everything has bugs. that's just the nature of software
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23:23<Infiltrator>And I have converted all of my FSs to ext4 now. I think. How do I double check?
23:24<twb>Infiltrator: it's flat out wrong
23:24<Infiltrator>Isn't btrfs the one that was made by that serial killer?
23:24<sney>check the output of 'mount' would be the easiest probably
23:24<Infiltrator>twb: Oh. Why? :(
23:24<twb>Infiltrator: Hans Reiser murdered his wife, no one else AFAIK
23:24<Infiltrator>sney: Of course. Well, they're all ext4. Thanks.
23:25<Infiltrator>twb: I'm misremembering, then. Sorry.
23:25<twb>Infiltrator: re "how do I check", use blkid
23:25<twb>"Known for: ReiserFS, murder"
23:26<cra1g321>i use XFS in encrypted LVM then ext4 /boot
23:26<Infiltrator>Well, at least rfs is first. :P
23:26<cra1g321>used to be raid1 til one of the drives went
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23:26<sney>Infiltrator: the great thing about md raid is it's extremely recoverable. so you make your volumes with md, and then you use lvm to organize them. and then your motherboard catches fire in a freak accident.
23:26<Infiltrator>cra1g321: Why XFS?
23:26<sney>not to worry! you throw those drives in any other linux system and it will spot the md array no problem
23:26<twb>Infiltrator: murderers can still contribute meaningfully to society
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23:27<twb>Infiltrator: the idea that a convict cannot ever redeem themselves is, IMO, horrible and wrong.
23:27<Infiltrator>twb: Not saying that they can't.
23:27<Infiltrator>sney: But doesn't LVM do the same thing?
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23:27*sney was going to make a joke about twb's paycheques but he missed the opportunity
23:27<Infiltrator>twb: I agree with you there, mate.
23:28<twb>(e.g. some USA states don't let felons vote, even after they have served their time.)
23:28<sney>Infiltrator: well, md is a little more old and basic so there's less overhead involved and AIUI a little more flexibility re: the recovering thing.
23:29<Infiltrator>twb: Have you watched Adam Ruins Everything? Though, this is getting a bit (only!) OT.
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23:29<twb>Oops, thought this was #d-offtopic still
23:29<twb>If you want fast mdadm recovery, enable the write-intent bitmap
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23:30<Infiltrator>sney: I like the flexibility that LVM gives though, because I can decide which LVs to mirror instead of everything.
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23:31<sney>sure, but that doesn't really account for hardware failures, as you have now realized
23:32<Infiltrator>Oh, speaking of mdadm, I asked this in #lvm but haven't heard anything yet, but my LVM RAID1 LVs have bitmap magic of 0x0, and mdadm refuses to do anything with any of them. Am I just not meant to use mdadm on them?
23:32<Infiltrator>sney: Well, that's why I've mirrored my important LVs. :P
23:33<sney>mdadm is for making and administering and querying the statuses of md arrays, that are made up of physical disks
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23:33<sney>it's not going to have anything to do with other stuff.
23:33<twb>Infiltrator: why not mirror everything?
23:33<Infiltrator>twb, sney: Space limitations. :P
23:34<twb>Normally you buy the drives at the same time, same size
23:34<twb>Are you running smart self-tests regularly?
23:34<sney>either you have a lot of data or you haven't noticed the precipitous drop in storage cost over the past little while
23:34<Infiltrator>Thanks about mdadm. But how do I look at the LVM RAID stuff then?
23:34<twb>>/etc/smartd.conf echo 'DEVICESCAN -n standby,15 -a -o on -S on -s (S/../../7/00|L/../01/./01) -t -H -m root -M once'
23:34<Infiltrator>twb: That increases the chance of them all failing together. :P
23:34<twb>Infiltrator: I strongly disagree
23:35<twb>Oh you mean buying two from same batch
23:35<Infiltrator>sney: Both...ish.
23:35<Infiltrator>twb: Yeah.
23:35<Infiltrator>Or more, of course.
23:35<Infiltrator>I'll look at my smartd.conf; thanks.
23:35<Infiltrator>Well, I currently have 3x3TB and 1x2TB. My SATA ports are all full.
23:36<Infiltrator>My biggest LV is 2.8TB, so if I were to mirror it across three drives, it leaves no room for everything else.
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23:37<twb>btrfs raid1 would be smarter about using hetereogeneous disk sizes, but you'd only be able to lose *one* drive safely
23:37<twb>rather than losing n-1
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23:40<Infiltrator>Yay! debsums checks out except for a few config files which I've edited.
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23:41<Infiltrator>I'll hack up a little program to detect those zeroes maybe tonight.
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23:43<R4F_Debian>Hi all, I downloaded a video file from youtbe through "youtube-dl" tool. But can't have audio when I run this extracted video (.mkv) in smplayer. In vlc, gnome-video (named Videos) and banshee audio worked fine.
23:45<cra1g321>R4F_Debian, did you have a look in Options > Preferences > Audio ?
23:45<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: smplayer most likely just can't read the codec. Does it give any error or warning messages?
23:45<Infiltrator>Also, yeah, check things like mute, volume level, and track selection. :P
23:46<R4F_Debian>Hi cragl321 ! Yes, that was the first thing I did here
23:46<cra1g321>output driver maybe too
23:46<R4F_Debian>No Infiltrator, the video runs fine, but no error or warning messages, hum, let me check through dmesg
23:47<R4F_Debian>Infiltrator, through smplayer graphical interface, I checked all these devices related to audio
23:48-!-mode/#debian [+l 730] by debhelper
23:48<R4F_Debian>Please, cralg321 and Infiltrator - Thanks for Support !
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23:49<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: If that's dmesg output (haven't looked yet) I doubt that there would be anything there - all the other players work fine.
23:50<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: Can you tell smplayer to give you a list of supported codecs? Then run ffprobe
23:50<Infiltrator>Sorry. Then run ffprobe or similar on the file to find its audio codec.
23:51<Infiltrator>Also, we should have asked this right at the beginning, but can you get audio from any other file with smplayer? Is it only this file that's the issue?
23:51<R4F_Debian>here you are, Infiltrator, dmesg paste:
23:53<R4F_Debian>yes, Infiltrator, when is .mp3 it is ok, when is video file .mp4, sound is ok
23:53<R4F_Debian>the only problem occurs when the output format is 'mkv'
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23:55<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: Could you please post the output of `apt-cache policy smplayer`, please?
23:55<R4F_Debian>ok, Infliltrator, Please, just one moment, I will do it now
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23:56<R4F_Debian>apt-cache policy smplayer -
23:58<R4F_Debian>Infiltrator, It seems 'mkv' format is not well supported by smplayer
23:58<R4F_Debian>I only have problems to reproduce video files in smplayer, when the file is 'mkv' format
23:58<Infiltrator>R4F_Debian: Does smplayer have a --verbose or --debug option you can run it with?
23:59<R4F_Debian>and my Debian Jessie is updated - 8.5
23:59<R4F_Debian>let me see here, just one moment, please.
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