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01:38<debian|user>can anyone help me with wlan config?
01:38<debian|user>i just switched from ubuntu to debian 8 jessie KDE
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01:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
01:41<debian|user>I have a problem with wireless setup;I'm running Debian version 8 jessie KDE Desktop amd64. When i try to install rtl8723fw_B.bin
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01:45<debian|user>I have a problem with wireless setup;I'm running Debian version 8 jessie KDE Desktop amd64. When i try to install rtl8723fw_B.bin i get the following output: bash: ./rtl8723fw_B.bin: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error.
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01:46<debian|user> here is lspci and dmesg output
01:46<debian|user>root@debian:~# lspci |grep -i wireless
01:46<debian|user>02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723AE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
01:46<debian|user>root@debian:~# dmesg |grep rtl*
01:46<debian|user>[ 9.745402] rtl8723ae: Using firmware rtlwifi/rtl8723fw_B.bin
01:46<debian|user>[ 9.745421] rtl8723ae 0000:02:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8723fw_B.bin (-2)
01:46<dpkg>Realtek RTL8723AE-based PCIe wireless LAN devices (PCI ID 10ec:8723) are supported by the rtl8723ae Linux kernel driver introduced at Linux 3.8. Firmware from userspace is required (rtlwifi/rtl8723fw.bin, rtlwifi/rtl8723fw_B.bin) and packaged since firmware-realtek 0.39. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users, ask me about <bdo kernel> and install firmware-realtek from <wheezy-backports>. Not to be confused with <rtl8723be> devices.
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01:47<jm_>so install the firmware-realtek package and you are done, you don't run those .bin files
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02:14<debian|user>can you help me with this too? :
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02:14<debian|user>rtlwifi_new-master/rtl8723ae# make
02:14<debian|user>make: *** No targets. Stop.
02:14<jm_>why are you trying that at all?
02:15<debian|user>i dont need to compile from source?
02:15<jm_>no, just install the firmware-realtek package and it should all work
02:17<debian|user>root@debian:~# apt-cache search firmware-realtek
02:18<jm_>it's in non-free, do you have that enabled?
02:20<debian|user>root@debian:~# dmesg |grep firmware-realtek
02:20<jm_>!tell debian|user -about non-free
02:27<debian|user>i dont know how to ask the bot
02:27<danielsh>do /query dpkg and then say the thing inside angle brackets
02:27<jm_>it told you about it, you don't need to ask
02:27<jm_>*dpkg* told debian|user about non-free.
02:28<jm_>look for private messages window/tab/whatever
02:28*danielsh assumed debian|user wanted to look up factoids that that factoid referred to
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03:38<artiommax>i am new to this
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03:50<debian|user>thank you is fixed
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04:49<tgs>Morning chaps; having trouble with a new Debian 8 installation on a ZooStorm box; xrandr cannot detect my twin monitor setup (xrand -q output in -- any suggestions as to how to proceed?
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04:59<SynrG>tgs: you're logged into X as root?
04:59<tgs>at that point - yes
04:59<tgs>logged in as me, su'd up
05:00<SynrG>you shouldn't need su for xrandr. i wouldn't necessarily expect it to even work
05:00<tgs>same result as my own user
05:01<Anarka>does X log have any errors ? grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
05:01<tgs>a few -
05:01<SynrG>or perhaps put the whole Xorg.log in a paste
05:02<Anarka>drivers installed ? open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
05:03<tgs>full log --
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05:03<tgs>/dev/dri itself doesn't exist
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05:03<jm_>vesa driver won't be providing that I reckon
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05:05<SynrG>hmm. Skylake integrated graphics
05:05<SynrG>maybe try a backports kernel + backports xserver-xorg-video-intel
05:05<Anarka>if its a shinny new machine you probably need stuff from backports...
05:05<Anarka>like already said :)
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05:07<tgs>Hmm, okay; though I have to admit I'm not sure how to install a kernel and drivers from backports - still; I have a friend in Google; cheers guys.
05:07<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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05:08<Anarka>its 3 or 4 commands so easy stuff
05:08<tgs>Ideal - many thanks
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05:21<babilen>dpkg: bdo kernel
05:21<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
05:22<babilen>tgs: You probably want to enable contrib and non-free also to pull in applicable firmware and microcode packages from backports
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05:33<tgs>ty - will do
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06:09<scott__>I hope I'm not in the wrong place.
06:09<scott__>Is this for kali linux?
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06:10<themill>no, that's #kali-linux on
06:10<scott__>oh ok, thank you
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06:47<bartm>any decent web based employee shift work schedule planning software already in debian?
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07:10<SynrGy>bartm: hah. in $job i actually work on a web front-end for a (proprietary, windows-only) one of those.
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07:11<SynrGy>otherwise, sorry, no ideas
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07:46<christian>how can i install ''Bluestacks'' on Debian
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07:55<BigRedS>christian: is that the android emulator?
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07:57<christian>it can not be installed on PC
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08:26<anonymous_>what happen
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08:35<debian|user>hello, i am using Debian 8 jessie KDE amd64 and i have a problem i somehow broke panel settings i tryed to maximize height from panel settings but now i cant see anymore the applications i open like Konsole Chrome etc
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08:37<debian|user>anyone can help me please?
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08:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:41<Anarka>easiest is maybe to add a default panel
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08:41<Anarka>right click on background
08:42<anonymous_>what is this?
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08:43<Clay>easiest is maybe to aI'm the one in the chat Brazildd a default panel
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08:43<debian|user>i want my default panel
08:43<debian|user>as initial install
08:44<debian|user>i can see hexchat right near clock but i cannot see Konsole
08:44<debian|user>and is opened
08:44<anonymous_>i m from china
08:44<Anarka>right click outside panel and select add default panel or something
08:45<debian|user>on right click i have default desktop
08:45<debian|user>not panel
08:46<debian|user>default desktop settings
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08:58<anonymous_>is this anonymous?
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08:59<debian|user1>thank you Anarka
08:59<debian|user1>but now i want to set it down is up
09:00<debian|user1>how do i set it to bottom?
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09:07<debian|user1>in the Panel Option - Panel Settings - More Settings i have only Left Center Right not as says
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09:29<debian|user>Hello again i did a Ksnapshot here it is:
09:29<debian|user>is not as say here
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09:30<htu>i lose my /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock after change my coding-setting and my mysql cannt run ,how can i fix it?
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09:33<debian|user>any help?
09:34<debian|user>i like kde want to keep it
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09:34<debian|user>but panel bottom
09:34<Anarka>remove both panels
09:34<Anarka>add new default panel
09:34<debian|user>which both?
09:35<debian|user>is only one
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09:35<Anarka>remove up panel
09:35<Anarka>and add aain
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09:35<debian|user>then how do i do settings
09:35<debian|user>right click desk area?
09:35<Anarka>right click on backgroud
09:35<themill>debian|user: what are you trying to achieve?
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09:36<debian|user>i am trying to move the panel from up to bottom
09:36<debian|user>Anarka, ill try that
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09:36<themill>debian|user: in your screen shot, there is the "screen edge" button. Grab it to move it.
09:36<themill>"Alignment" is something entirely different
09:37<debian|user>i removed
09:37<htu>i lose my /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock after change my coding-setting and my mysql cannt run ,how can i fix it?
09:37<debian|user>then re-added
09:37<debian|user>thank you Anarka
09:37<Anarka>np :)
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09:38<MeZenified>htu: what's the error
09:38<htu>i cannt start my mysql, can't connect to local MySQL server
09:39<MeZenified>what's the error
09:39<MeZenified>full errormsg
09:39<htu>ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
09:40<duclicsic>is the mysql server running?
09:40<debian|user>why are my right side icons (wireless connection , sound icon, chrome ) are keep moving left right in small area (left - right) parameters
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09:41<htu>no ,i have restart ,but i cant start it either
09:44<grove>htu: And what happens when you try to start the mysql server?
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09:45<New>who can teach me C++
09:45<htu>it respond as"ERROR 2002 (HY2002)",and i cant open mysql ,i cant find the mysql.sock
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09:50<New>is there a teacher here?
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09:51<duclicsic>New: this is support channel for Debian linux
09:51<SynrGy>New: you've reached the debian support channel. if you have a debian support question, ask it.
09:51<duclicsic>we don't do C++ classes
09:51<htu>no teacher ,
09:51<duclicsic>might I suggest you read a book or tutorial?
09:52<New>is this anonymous?
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09:53<duclicsic>we are legion or something
09:53<SynrGy>that question could mean different things.
09:53<SynrGy>is this the internet group that identifies itself as "Anonymous"? no, it is not
09:53<duclicsic>New: do you have a question regarding debian?
09:53<New>can you hack me?
09:53<themill>htu: you're going to need to pastebin more information for anyone to help you
09:54<duclicsic>is that a request?
09:54<bittin>updated Debian now :)
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09:54<htu>en,maybe i could find solution from documention..
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10:02<New>what can i learn here?
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10:03<babilen>New: You can ask questions about Debian
10:03<duclicsic>New: you can start with proper irc etiquette
10:03<hitlin37>Hi, any idea if xinerama is enabled with firefox on debian?
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10:04<duclicsic>New: as you've already been told, this is a support channel for Debian Linux
10:04<duclicsic>New: if you have a question about Debian Linux, you may ask it here
10:05<Anarka>hitlin37: what do you mena ? if the same firefox can be in multiple monitors/screns ?
10:05<Anarka>if so dont think that depends on firefox
10:05<Anarka>but yes
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10:06<hitlin37>seems to one build option
10:06<New>i don't like this.
10:06<hitlin37>so, i guess, it is usually built with enaled
10:06<Anarka>probably if you use maximiza it only maxes to one screen, so you need to manually resize it if you wanna use both
10:06<hitlin37>i can't , the display has no mouse
10:06<hitlin37>i have two physical displays
10:06<hitlin37>i can see firefox on 1
10:06<hitlin37>but i want to launch it on both
10:07<New>are you foreigners?
10:07<hitlin37>ok, as a work around.
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10:08<hitlin37>the above has packages with libs....seperately. Can i get all deps with in it as a singel .deb
10:08<SynrG>duclicsic: ^ claimed to be from china, so perhaps not a failure of etiquette, but simply "not very good with english"
10:08<hitlin37>like firefox puts all its internal dependancy into it. so i don't have to install each lib seperately
10:09<hitlin37>but above xul package needs each becomes difficult to install each one individually
10:09<Anarka>arent you using apt-get install packagename ?
10:10<Anarka>why not ?
10:10<SynrG>hitlin37: i have no idea why you're pointing at squeeze-backports ... please tell me you're not running squeeze ...
10:10<Anarka>ohhh squuuze nice catch ;)
10:10<hitlin37>SynrG: nopes. but some ancient system :)
10:10<hitlin37>i use that just to get prebuilt armel package
10:10<hitlin37>not running debian.
10:11<hitlin37>ubuntu based sys
10:11<SynrG>hitlin37: i'm sure whatever you are trying to do is very clever, but none of us understand it.
10:11<SynrG>hitlin37: and so far, i don't see a debian support issue we can help with.
10:12<duclicsic>SynrG: sure, though if he wasn't able to understand "this is the debian support channel" I don't have much hope for anyone trying to teach him C++..
10:14<themill>(already gone, too)
10:14<hitlin37>can i use apt-get to download alll package and not install?
10:14<hitlin37>including all deps
10:15<themill>hitlin37: "all deps" is not as simple as you think. You might like to ask your distro for support
10:16<Anarka>apt-get -
10:16<Anarka>apt-get --download-only install firefox for ex
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10:17<SynrG>duclicsic: i just meant, instead of focusing energy on trying to teach etiquette (or complain about lack of etiquette) when you detect a language barrier, try "redirection" as an approach that might work better (and fewer words is better)
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10:17<SynrG>but in this case, all our words just bounced off. so it was pretty much a lost cause :p
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10:28<duclicsic>SynrG: i get ya, i was being a bit sarcastic by that point.
10:29*SynrG nods ... understandably
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10:52<ruYc>hey @ all, im trying to install some packages. but it terminates alwaly with 'error: hash-sums doesn't correspond'. i've switched to other mirrors, but the problem remains. does anybody know what i could try out to fix this?
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12:09<mdlpe>hi, how to avoid an external wifi antenna going to sleep mode ?
12:17<Nemoder>setup a cron to ping your router every few minutes? unless there is some setting in the driver
12:18<SynrG>how can an antenna sleep?
12:18<SynrG>i thought it was a passive device ...
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12:19<SynrG>i assume you mean you have an external wifi device (which happens to have an antenna)
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12:19<mdlpe>Nemoder, I really don't know how to do
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12:19<SynrG>so your question reduces to "how do i get my usb device to not sleep"
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12:19<mdlpe>SynrG, it's an external wifi antenna card
12:20<mdlpe>SynrG, in this case yes
12:20<mdlpe>I think it's networkmanager put my device in sleep mode
12:21<SynrG>there is apparently a kernel parameter usbcore.autosuspend=-1
12:21<SynrG>but i think this will affect *all* usb devices
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12:21<SynrG>not just the wifi
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12:22<SynrG>in later kernels it might be a different parameter
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12:47<Wulf>all clear!
12:47<dark_gloves>Who are you?
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12:48<dark_gloves>Im new
12:48<Wulf>dark_gloves: I'm planet Wulf. And you are?
12:48<dark_gloves>Im new on this
12:48<dark_gloves>Where are you from?
12:48<Wulf>Okay, stop babbling until you've got something useful to say.
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12:51<babilen>dark_gloves: This is a technical support channel for Debian users. You might want to look for a different channel (or even network) if you like to chat
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12:53<babilen>Clay: Play elsewhere please
12:55<dark_gloves>I can't, I don't know how this place works, I'm just asking for some help
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12:57<SynrG>dark_gloves: first, if you are not Clay, that request wasn't for you
12:57<SynrG>dark_gloves: second, if you have a question:
12:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
12:58<SynrG>dark_gloves: if you don't have a debian support question, this is the wrong channel. check #moocows or so
12:58<babilen>dpkg: irc tutorial
12:58<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": . See also "The IRC Prelude":
12:58<babilen>dark_gloves: ^
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13:04<dark_gloves>Okay, thanks I will ask you for just Debian mistakes
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13:31<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gg is good game
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13:37<jthomas>Good day. I have a Deb8.5 server with aApache running, and I'm trying to connect it to our LDAP server for Basic Auth. Regardless of my configs, I cannot seem to get past the Apache error "[LDAP: ldap_simple_bind() failed][Can't contact LDAP server] " Can anyone assit?
13:37<jthomas>Apache 2.4.10
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13:37<jthomas>I can hit the LDAP servers on the correct ports (389 and 636)
13:37<asiele> HexChat: 2.10.1 ** OS: Linux 3.16.0-4-686-pae i686 ** Distro: Debian 8.5 ** CPU: 1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 1000MHz ** RAM: Physical: 2,0GiB, 65,4% free ** Disk: Total: 1,3TiB, 12,9% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV515 PRO [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia1: ICE1712 - TerraTec EWS88MT ** Ethernet: Realtek
13:37<asiele>Semiconductor Co., Ltd. 139C/8139C+ Ethernet Controller ** Uptime: 1h 56m 9s **
13:39<SynrG>asiele: ouch. cut that crap out, please.
13:39<asiele>Sorry, I'v just use the *fancy* menu
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13:47<pedeb>Hi, when I do xdg-open ~ or any path, appears qgit, If I uninstall qgit, appears a file browser. So it's like by default qgit is considered a file browser? I'm checking mime, but is not there, well, I don't know what mime type is that
13:50<SynrG>is your entire home in git? e.g. do you have a ~/.git?
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13:53<pedeb>hmmmm my /etc/ yes with etckeeper
13:53<pedeb>yes, I have a ~/.git
13:53<SynrG>can you temporarily move that and see if it influences xdg-open ~?
13:53<SynrG>maybe there's 'magic' there
13:54<pedeb>well, If I try `xdg-open /usr/share` (with no .git) same behavior
13:55<pedeb>I'm in debian stable, perhaps you can reproduce it
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14:05<SynrG>i'm on stretch, so, maybe not
14:05<SynrG>i could try anyway :)
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14:06<SynrG>you could check its postinst and see what mime stuff it installs
14:06<SynrG>newp. doesn't reproduce your issue
14:06<SynrG>,v qgit
14:06<judd>Package: qgit on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.3-1; wheezy: 2.4-1; jessie: 2.5-2; stretch: 2.6-1; sid: 2.6-1
14:06<SynrG>seems it has a more recent version
14:06<SynrG>,checkbackport qgit
14:06<judd>Backporting package qgit in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
14:06<SynrG>you could always try:
14:06<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
14:07<SynrG>^^ do a backport, try the backported version and see if it still has the issue
14:07<SynrG> * Drop the MimeType field from .desktop as qgit cannot open directories from
14:07<SynrG> the command line anyway (Closes: #641745)
14:07<judd>Bug in qgit (closed): «qgit takes over inode/directory mimetype in Gnome»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-09-15; last modified: 2016-04-30.
14:07<SynrG>pedeb: and there you go
14:07<SynrG>that's from the changelog for 2.6-1
14:08<SynrG>pedeb: i'm pretty sure the bug you spotted is related (and fixed by that)
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14:14*SynrG heads home
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14:14<pedeb>judd: SynrG: great! thanks!
14:17<SynrG>pedeb: judd is a bot :)
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14:18<pedeb>SynrG: :)
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14:20<pedeb>SynrG: well, there is no backported version, I tried to comment that lines and still the same behavior. Theoretically, if I say that this mime type is opened by other application no problem, no?
14:20<SynrG>pedeb: follow the advice from dpkg bot for ssb i triggered above.
14:20<SynrG>pedeb: with that, you could build your own 2.6-1 deb.
14:20<SynrG>then you could install that on jessie safely
14:21<SynrG>there may be a *related* mime fix in there ...
14:21<SynrG>i don't know if the changelog comment is the only mime-related change. maybe the developer left something out? or you could try to debdiff the two deb files to see
14:21<SynrG>or two source pkgs
14:22<SynrG>anyway, gotta scoot. seeya
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14:24<pedeb>SynrG: thanks for the help. Right now I was searching a way to update mime... but I appreciate a lot your way, and I will follow it
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14:34<pedeb>SynrG: that's the command that was missing after commenting the mimetype part: sudo update-desktop-database /usr/share/applications/
14:35<pedeb>SynrG: now I will try the other way to learn something new about debian! :P
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20:33<lyrias>debian ...error msg in a /hime/xxx save and this file uoload in pastbinit?
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20:34<lyrias>my english is very bad, sry
20:35<themill> exists if you prefer
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20:35<lyrias>in this root sleep everyone
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20:39<lyrias>dmsg | grep error .... y/home/y/xx.txt ?
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21:03<chappati21>can anyone help me?
21:03<chappati21>with installing debian without cd/dvd
21:03<chappati21>only usb
21:04<lyrias>I not, i can search a website and you read this?
21:04<lyrias>one mom
21:05<chappati21>thanks i'll read :D
21:06<blast007>chappati21: that's covered in the install guide
21:06<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>.
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21:08<morris>Hi all
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21:08<morris>does anyone here using Lenovo T440?
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21:09<morris>I m having a problem with the integrated RTL8192EE wireless adapter
21:10<themill>the obvious first question is whether you have firmware-realtek installed
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21:11<chappati21>guys i want to install debian 8.5 using usb stick but i have windows
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21:11<morris>Is there any official Realtek firmware available for this bloody adapter?
21:11<chappati21>sound card?
21:12<chappati21>or you can give the model of "adapter"
21:12<dpkg>win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details.
21:12<themill>chappati21: ^^
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21:12<chappati21>thanks for help ;D
21:12<chappati21>i'll download it
21:12<morris>the symptom is simple, I m runing a localised debian on my T440, and once the system is installed, the wireless could be seen and i can see my home SSID
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21:13<morris>but, I cant login to my home SSID nor my office SSID
21:14<lyrias>rofl.. sry
21:14<chappati21>anyone tried to install adobe software on debian?
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21:15<morris>the adapter is Realtek RTL8192EE
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21:16<morris>I think Lenovo T440 has many variations, some people in Ubuntu community reported similar problem with other models of the adapter
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21:18<lyrias>Lenovo is not a Debian problem, this a a Hardware problem... Debian is not a */buntu channel... yy i a lamer... thanks ;)
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21:19<chappati21>anyone have wireless adapter tp-link wn722n ?
21:19<themill>morris: The support for that chip was pretty new when jessie released so there's a chance that it has better support with a newer kernel from jessie-backports.
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21:19<themill>morris: (and you never clarified whether you had the firmware package installed)
21:20<morris>I m using Deepin 15.2 at the moment, it is a derivation of the Debian 7 i think
21:20<themill>Never heard of it... please ask them. There's nothing I can do to help.
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21:21<chappati21>i'm going to install debian from usb created using win32 disk imager, if it will work, i'll give a info ;D maybe i'll need help with wifi/gpu
21:21<chappati21>so bye :D
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21:23<slackware14X>slackware > Debian ...
21:23<slackware14X>shell scripts are great. They are flexible, powerful, transparent, easily changeable, debug-able ... With systemd you have a blackbox and have to learn magic keywords. It is like windows - for idiots - not for hackers. Yes, the shell script based system sometimes was a mess. But the solution is to clean the scripts up not to replace them..
21:23<slackware14X>on sysV init systems
21:23<slackware14X>linux is by and large for bitches and dumb ones at that
21:23<themill>slackware14X: wrong channel?
21:23<slackware14X>OpenBSD, FreeBSD and Slackware are the way
21:24-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
21:24<slackware14X>themill: you are a mentally retarded bitch
21:24-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@] by themill
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21:24<lyrias>Handbook, everyone... say me look and lern the handbook!
21:25<lyrias>-Space i know;)
21:27<lyrias>what is the "hardening" tool, today?
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21:27<chappati21>i have created usb using win32 disk imager
21:27<chappati21>but in my computer windows want to format usb
21:28<blast007>that's normal, just tell it not to
21:28<chappati21>or when i want to boot from it, i cant
21:28<blast007>Windows doesn't understand the partitions
21:28<chappati21>cause it is fat32
21:28<chappati21>but i cant boot from it
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21:29<chappati21>i spam f8 on post and i select my kingston traveller
21:29<chappati21>but after maybe 10 seconds i see my arch linux grub
21:29<lyrias>have you a boot partion?
21:30<chappati21>on usb?
21:30<chappati21>or hdd
21:30<chappati21>sorry for stupid questions ;D
21:30<lyrias>fat32 is a filesystem partionion....usb
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21:31<chappati21>i dont have, but before using win32 disk imager the usb was readable, and after it has fat32 fs
21:31<lyrias>Windows not running an a 32Bit, by 7/8 or 10
21:31<lyrias>what a image you use?
21:31<chappati21>but name
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21:31<lyrias>what a iso
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21:32<themill>CD-8 is not bootable
21:32<chappati21>CD-1 will be bootable?
21:32<themill>yes, just like it says on the download page
21:32<chappati21>wait i'll download cd-1
21:33<themill>chappati21: are you trying to install over a wireless connection?
21:33<chappati21>no :/
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21:33<themill>then CD-1 should be fine for you. (or the netinst)
21:34<chappati21>sorry i dont understanded your question
21:34<chappati21>trying to install over a wireless connection
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21:34<chappati21>are you asking me i am using wi-fi?
21:34<lyrias>sry who not kann debian install, can not a net install ,)
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21:35<lyrias>no, what is your .iso?
21:35<chappati21>i know it isnt bootable
21:35<lyrias>no no no
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21:36<lyrias>is a netinstall oder a normaly install cd/dvd?
21:36<chappati21>normal install
21:36<chappati21>cause i dont want to donwload any file over 1gb-1,5gb
21:37<lyrias>you install vm or you install hardware direct?
21:37<themill>there's no difference between the netinst, cd1 or dvd1 other than when you download the packages (and whether you download package you don't install)
21:37<chappati21>direct on mine hdd
21:38<chappati21>what installer i need to use?
21:38<lyrias>so to have a pc, you install VM or direct?
21:38<themill>chappati21: any of the netinst, cd1 or dvd1
21:39<lyrias>you com from?
21:39<chappati21>country? poland ;D
21:39<chappati21>but i know english
21:39<lyrias>32bit or 64bit processor?
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21:41<themill>lyrias: you're not helping here...
21:41<lyrias>debian ...dvd. 3
21:41<chappati21>and then i can create bootable usb using inetbootin?
21:41<lyrias>i say in red?
21:42<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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21:42<themill>chappati21: you just need either the netinst, cd1 or dvd1. Use win32diskimager or dd as before.
21:42<chappati21>i'll download and try
21:43<lyrias>ups not 3 i meen 1 ... sry i am still about know
21:43<coruja>chappati21, if you haven't found it yourself, a good read _before_ installing:
21:43<lyrias>themill: so?
21:44<chappati21>okay im downloading 1
21:44<chappati21>it's so slow :/
21:44<coruja>enough time to read my link then ;)
21:44<chappati21>where i have 20mbps connection
21:45<lyrias>show in this time what a noob i am ;)
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21:45<lyrias>themill /red ?
21:45<lyrias>ok no
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21:46<themill>chappati21: there may well be a cd mirror closer to you than the one you are using
21:46<chappati21>if debian with desktop recommends 1gb of memory, it will work smoothly on 1gb, yeah?
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21:47<themill>depends what you install
21:47<themill>(and run)
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21:47<chappati21>unfortunatelly i have only 1gh of memory
21:47<chappati21>but i can use smoothly photoshop/after effects
21:47<coruja>then i suggest installing a lightweight wm/de
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21:48<coruja>so more memory left for applications
21:48<chappati21>de = desktop environment?
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21:48<chappati21>by default it is gnome, yeah?
21:48<coruja>yes, but it's no very lightweight
21:48<lyrias>Install debian with nothing and install fluxbox or openbox.
21:49<chappati21>i need installed by default de cause i dont have lan
21:49<chappati21>only wlan
21:49<dvs>and which ISO did you download?
21:50<coruja>maybe you should give lxde a try (including the lxde cd iso)
21:50<chappati21>i have installed lxde on my debian vps and i like it
21:50<dvs>probably won't work over wireless
21:50<themill>chappati21: I thought you wanted to download a smaller image than that?
21:51<themill>chappati21: didn't you say earlier you weren't trying to install over wifi?
21:52<chappati21>i didn't tried that
21:53<chappati21>i want to install full system using iso
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21:53<lyrias>yes to you download... you can DVD /cd image downloaden
21:54<themill>"full" is rather vague. The netinst can complete a full installation depending on your definition of full.
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21:54<chappati21>full is completely working system
21:54<themill>well that depends on your expectation of "complete"
21:54<lyrias>net install = Internet, full image = not Internet
21:54<coruja>maybe we should talk about your wifi hardware first
21:55<chappati21>my wifi hardware is usb adapter from tp-link wl722n
21:56<coruja>may we see a 'lsusb'? (use a pastebin pls)
21:56<chappati21>lsusb? is it a terminal command?
21:56<chappati21>i have windows 7 ultimate
21:57<lyrias>i say is the first time on Linux ;)
21:57<chappati21>my first time? :P
21:57<themill>lyrias: please stop
21:57<chappati21>i used ubuntu before
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21:57<chappati21>but it have installer
21:58<chappati21>debian haven't got any installer for windows
21:58<lyrias>Ubuntu is Windows... ok o.o
21:58<coruja>forget about ubuntu
21:58<dpkg>setup.exe is a way of installing Debian from Windows using <CD1>, just insert the CD/DVD and let it AutoRun; packages are acquired from this media if available. You can also use it from a USB install. See for more details. See also <win32-loader>.
21:58<themill>(that said, you're probably better off putting the image onto your usb stick)
21:59<chappati21>put iso on usb?
21:59<chappati21>without unpacking?
22:00<themill>just as you have been doing with win32diskimager
22:00<themill>but I suspect (as coruja has pointed out), your wifi device is going to need firmware
22:00<chappati21>it need
22:00<themill>Do you know what it needs already?
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22:00<chappati21>i have driver files but for windows :/
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22:03<chappati21>i found something
22:03<chappati21>my wlan card installation for wheezy
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22:04<chappati21>no... it requires internet connection
22:05<chappati21>i found an tutorial for installing my wlan card on wheezy
22:05<chappati21>but it needs to install package from terminal
22:05<themill>which firmware package?
22:07<themill>That's presumably still needed. You can either pop that on a second usb stick or use the netinst image with the firmware already on it
22:07<themill>!firmware image
22:07<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from . See also <install guide>.
22:08<coruja> probably
22:08<chappati21>netinst iso will require internet connection?
22:09<coruja>which you can set up using this one
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22:10<themill>chappati21: "require" depends on what you want to install... which goes back to my earlier comment about what a "complete" or "full" installation is depends entirely on your opinion.
22:10<themill>The netinst *can* complete the installation without going to the network at all.
22:10<coruja>netinst will install offline a base system only (full working but console only)
22:10<chappati21>i need only working system with terminal, maybe notepad and internet browser
22:10<chappati21>and de
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22:11<lyrias>themill what? Net-Install - not Internet Connecten to Install? Realy? xD
22:11<themill>netinst. yes.
22:11<chappati21>so, if i'll use netinst i'll dont have desktop environment?
22:11<themill>chappati21: depends what you choose to install
22:11<lyrias>the first dvd, have all standard debian GUI
22:11<themill>[11:37] <themill> there's no difference between the netinst, cd1 or dvd1 other than when you download the packages (and whether you download package you don't install)
22:12<chappati21>themill: priv
22:12<coruja>lyrias, but we need non-free firmware first, either way before or after installation
22:12<chappati21>themill: or query nvm
22:15<themill>chappati21: if you can't plug in while installing, then the firmware image from above is probably best. During installation, select whatever software you want installed.
22:15<chappati21>but during installation i'll dont have internet connection
22:16<themill>why not?
22:16<dvs>chappati21, the firmware iso will let you have that connection!
22:16<chappati21>i am using wlan adapter that need driver
22:16<dvs>chappati21, which the firmware iso has!
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22:17<chappati21>dvs: query or private message lol
22:17<dvs>I prefer to talk here
22:17<chappati21>i need a image with terminal and desktop environment
22:18<chappati21>and i dont want to use netinst
22:18<themill>no, you need an image that will get your installation working
22:18<chappati21>will any installer make my usb wlan card will work?
22:18<coruja>you need non-free firmware for internet connection
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22:18<chappati21>i found package for my wlan card
22:19<themill>which is already on the firmware image
22:19<dvs>chappati21, which is already included on the firmware iso1
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22:19<chappati21>so link me that iso1
22:19<coruja> (as reminder)
22:19<chappati21>dvs: is it that?
22:20<dvs>chappati21, yes!
22:20<coruja>.oO ( how often ... )
22:20<themill>4th time lucky?
22:20<chappati21>okay. i'll try it
22:20<chappati21>and create usb with win32 disk imager, yeah?
22:20<chappati21>okay, thanks :D
22:20<lyrias>netinstall, and WIFI can not connect... i love it
22:21<chappati21>266mb :o
22:21<lyrias>so need help
22:21<themill>chappati21: whatever desktop environment you want to install, you'll need to download it while the installation is running
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22:22<chappati21>but i dont have internet connection during the installation
22:22<dvs>I give upp
22:22<chappati21>but wait
22:22<chappati21>usb tethering from android will work?
22:22<larp>chappati21: /!\ #debian has moved to #fartlek /!\
22:22<themill>chappati21: please re-read what we have said.
22:23<lyrias>dmsg | error > dmsg.txt ... so pastbin in the shell?
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22:23<lyrias>ups dmsg | grep error
22:23<chappati21>so... i need to install the debian base system from
22:24<chappati21>and then dmsg | grep error
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22:24<themill>chappati21: no, ignore lyrias
22:24<chappati21>okay xD
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22:24<chappati21>i downloaded the iso
22:25<lyrias>Thanks @themill... this is my ask? ... man man man
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22:26<coruja>lyrias, good advice for staying here: less verbosity while support is happening
22:26<lyrias>sry i hate you
22:26<lyrias>ups not you
22:26<chappati21>but this iso is system?
22:26<chappati21>or the firmware
22:26<chappati21>and now i'm going to create the usb
22:27<chappati21>from the iso
22:27<lyrias>a one ask in the IRC you helbening?
22:28<chappati21>the usb filesystem need to be fat32?
22:28<dvs>chappati21, you're writing it wrong if you're asking that.
22:28<dvs>use win32diskimager
22:28<chappati21>now boot from the usb?
22:29<chappati21>so maybe i'll install an irc client on phone
22:29<chappati21>so i'll have contact
22:29<chappati21>pls wait
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22:33<chappati21>Okay im here
22:33<chappati21>Im rebooting
22:33-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*@] by ChanServ
22:34<chappati21>I have list
22:35<chappati21>Install/Graphical Install
22:35<chappati21>Maybe second
22:35<dvs>up to you
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22:35<chappati21>Okay graphical
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22:35<chappati21>It freezed
22:35<chappati21>Maybe its loading lol
22:36<chappati21>I have installer
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22:38<chappati21>Configuring network using DHCP
22:38<chappati21>Automatic network configuration failed
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22:39<chappati21>I can rerty automatic configuration
22:39<dvs>So, can you specify a manual IP address?
22:40<chappati21>I only know my router ip addres
22:40<chappati21>And my pc
22:40<dvs>chappati21, so use another address like
22:41<chappati21>And i can retry automatic configuration with dhcp hostname
22:41<chappati21>Or configure it manually
22:41<chappati21>What choose?
22:41<dvs>manual, like I mentioned above
22:42<chappati21>And i need to enter ip addr
22:42<chappati21>Enter my pc local ip?
22:42<dvs>no, another unused ip address
22:42<dvs>just like above.
22:43<chappati21>So maybe ?
22:43<chappati21>Its unused
22:43<dvs>yes, that'll work.
22:43<chappati21>Network mask
22:43<chappati21>Idk how to explain it in english
22:44<dvs>if proxy isn't the exact name then use your router address.
22:44<chappati21>Ip addres that points my router
22:44<chappati21>That ip i use to access router config
22:45<chappati21>And its typed here
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22:46<chappati21>Oh gateway
22:48<dvs>yes, that is your router.
22:49<chappati21>Dns servers
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22:49<chappati21>That same as gateway?
22:49<dvs>try the same as your router
22:50<chappati21>Domain name?
22:50<chappati21>Its so strange
22:50<chappati21>I can type any domain what i want?
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22:50<dvs>chappati21, as long as it isn't already used on the Internet.
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22:51<chappati21>Okay done
22:51<chappati21>Configuring clock
22:52<chappati21>Partitioning method
22:52<dvs>Will there be any other OS when you are done?
22:52<chappati21>I dont want Windows
22:53<chappati21>Only debian
22:53<dvs>I take that as no so that's ok.
22:53<chappati21>So much options
22:54<chappati21>I see my hdd and partitions
22:54<dvs>Erase them and start from scratch.
22:55<chappati21>I dont have any options
22:55<chappati21>Only configure raid
22:55<chappati21>And partitions list
22:55<dvs>So click on one of the paritions.
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22:56<chappati21>And click next?
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22:57<dvs>chappati21, hmmmm.... there should be an option to erase it.
22:57<themill>did you read that install guide link?
22:57<chappati21>I have partition pptions
22:57<chappati21>I can delete partition
22:57<dvs>chappati21, yes, do that will all of them.
22:57<chappati21>I want to save one of them
22:58<chappati21>So remove all excepting that one?
22:58<dvs>chappati21, there's data on there you want to save?
22:58<chappati21>But it isnt os
22:58<dvs>ok, go ahead (
22:59<dvs>but I would have backed it up before I started.
22:59<chappati21>Okay done
22:59-!-f10_ [~flo@2001:470:52af:1:f144:329d:e32a:fcf7] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:59<chappati21>I have only one partition and much free space
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22:59<coruja>themill, why should he when dvs is his interactive install guide ;)
22:59<dvs>Then add the partitions you want.
22:59<dvs>How big is the drive?
23:00<chappati21>Will i need swap with 1gb of ram?
23:00*themill adjusts shape of desk with head
23:00<chappati21>How much swap will be good?
23:00<dvs>chappati21, I'd make the root and home partitions first.
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23:01<chappati21>15gbs for root will be good?
23:01<dvs>That'll work.
23:02<dvs>how much room will there be left after that?
23:02<chappati21>Logic or Primary?
23:02<chappati21>End or Beggining lol
23:02<chappati21>Sorry for bad english
23:02<chappati21>Mount point /
23:03<chappati21>And boot flag enabled
23:03<chappati21>Fike syatem?
23:03<chappati21>File system*
23:03<chappati21>And done
23:03<dvs>how much room is left?
23:04<chappati21>Only 250gb
23:04<dvs>Yeah, that's good for home.
23:04<chappati21>Home is logic?
23:04<chappati21>Or primary
23:04<chappati21>And ext4
23:05<chappati21>Without boot flag
23:05<dvs>no flag
23:05<chappati21>And theres 9gb free
23:05<chappati21>Maybe swap?
23:05<chappati21>Or too much
23:05<dvs>sure (its a bit large though)
23:06<chappati21>But i have only 1gb of ram
23:06<chappati21>Okay lets do swap
23:06<dvs>1gb of swap is fine
23:06<chappati21>End? Or
23:06<dvs>end I'd say
23:07<chappati21>Use as swap?
23:08<chappati21>And it has 7gb left
23:08<dvs>leave it.
23:08<chappati21>End partitioning and save changes
23:09<chappati21>base system
23:09<chappati21>U are the best ;D
23:09<dvs>I know I am! ;-)
23:10<coruja>with 1 gb of ram i would suggest having more than 1 gb swap (but just my opinion)
23:10<dvs>if it's installing, i wouldn't stop it.
23:10<chappati21>Cause i missclicked and typed 2gb
23:11<coruja>better than 1
23:11<dvs>heh, that's fine.
23:11<chappati21>I cant change swap size after installing?
23:11<dvs>Yeah, don't worry about it.
23:11<coruja>you can
23:12<chappati21>Okay nvm
23:12<chappati21>Its installing
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23:14<chappati21>Its about 92%
23:14<chappati21>Done ^^
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23:15<chappati21>mirror server select
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23:15<chappati21>Which is best?
23:15<chappati21>Im from poland
23:15<dvs>probably the default.
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23:17<chappati21>the page suggested
23:17<chappati21>Invalid mirror server from archive
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23:18<chappati21>Same with
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23:19<chappati21>I need to visit it?
23:19<chappati21>Or type somewhere
23:19<coruja>no internet no mirror update (i guess)
23:19<dvs>no, enter that value
23:20<chappati21>I selected mirror
23:20<chappati21>And it asks for something
23:20<dvs>and it worked?
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23:21<dvs>what is that "something"
23:21<chappati21>it asks for something in form "http://[username][:password]@host[:port]
23:21<dvs>which I just gave above
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23:22<chappati21>I typed it and not working
23:22<chappati21>Invalid mirror from archive
23:22<dvs>chappati21, what does the prompt say?
23:22<chappati21>I select my country
23:22<chappati21>And i have few mirrors
23:22<chappati21>Type it?
23:23<dvs>so select a mirror
23:23<chappati21>Which? Ill give photo
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23:27<dvs>Yeah, exactly
23:28<dvs>That's would be my first choice.
23:29<chappati21>And it asks that what before
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23:31<chappati21>If you use a proxy HTTP to access the world of outdoor enter the data here. Otherwise, leave this field empty.
23:31<dvs>leave it blank
23:32<chappati21>Invalid mirror archive error occurred while trying to use the Debian archive mirror.
23:33<chappati21>Check selected server or use other
23:33<dvs>I'm not sure what's going on there.
23:33<chappati21>Maybe internet isnt connected
23:34<chappati21>Cause the led on wlan adapter isnt blinking
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23:34<dvs>Anyways, I have to go to bed, it's almost midnight here.
23:34<chappati21>Maybe ill use my android phone usb tethering?
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23:35<chappati21>Oh okay :/
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23:38<chappati21>coruja are you?
23:41<chappati21>coruja: are you?
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23:41<chappati21>coruja: hello ._.
23:43<coruja>i won't spoonfeed you like dvs did, but i suggest finishing the installation without having internet configured, then reboot, then install the needed firmware package, then (re)configure networking, then install software of your choice
23:43<chappati21>but i have questiom
23:43<coruja>others may suggest something else
23:43<chappati21>will usb tethering from android work?
23:43<coruja>and i urge you to really read the install guide
23:44<chappati21>I've installed debian
23:45<chappati21>but with text ui
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23:49<chappati21>Hey guys
23:49<chappati21>Can anyone help me?
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23:55<chappati21>I dont have internet connection
23:55<lyrias>i say it
23:55<chappati21>But now
23:55<lyrias>i a lamer!
23:55<chappati21>And i havent got mirror server set
23:55<chappati21>I fucked up
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23:56<lyrias>mom mom whats ...?
23:56<chappati21>I cant set it cause i dont have internet
23:56<chappati21>What is time in ur country?
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23:57<lyrias>kommst doch aus Polen or?
23:57<chappati21>Ich komme aus Polen :p
23:57<lyrias>no 06:032
23:58<lyrias>no 06:03
23:58<lyrias>Polen ist genau neben Deutschland
23:58<chappati21>I dont understand deutsch
23:59<lyrias>Polen is near Germany
23:59<chappati21>I know
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23:59<chappati21>But what i must do now?
23:59<chappati21>With my linux :/
23:59<lyrias>Date +1GMT
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