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02:18<root_>Hi gay
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02:24<strugee>hey, all
02:24<strugee>I'm trying to set up a static IPv6 address in Debian and not having much luck
02:24<strugee>it's on a home connection, which is why all the documentation, etc. is terrible :/
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02:25<strugee>one sec and I'll paste the documentation I have...
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02:28<strugee>I'm trying to configure the 'derived address' on my box... I *think* it should be `2602:d8:a048:e100:da30:62ff:fe5a:1c77/128` in /etc/network/interfaces (for the corresponding IPv4 address with gateway
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02:29<strugee>so far I have in /etc/network/interfaces `iface eth2 inet6 static` and an `address 2602:d8:a048:e100:da30:62ff:fe5a:1c77/128` line under that
02:29<strugee>I've messed around a lot, trying a couple gateway lines as well as setting `autoconf 1` but can't seem to make anything work
02:31<strugee>I'm not particularly good at networking, so I'm not sure if the problem is in my router (which is configured with a v4 static address, but not a v6), in the routing tables that are set up, or in the address itself (i.e. I have the wrong derived address)
02:31<strugee>can someone smarter than me spot the problem? :P
02:32<strugee>should also mention that I've searched the web a fair amount before coming here. I'm happy to take this question somewhere else if it's off topic, but I didn't know where else to ask
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02:33<strugee>also I'm running Debian 8, using the default ifupdown (`ifdown [--force] eth2; sleep 1; ifup eth2` to test my changes)
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02:48<strugee>fyi is a screenshot of the IPv6 settings of the crappy router the box is hooked up to
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03:40<fraksken>so I am cleaning up my usb sticks. emptying them and formatting them in ext4
03:40<fraksken>procedure: put usb iin computer, unmount it
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03:40<fraksken>run fdisk /dev/sdd
03:40<fraksken>delete all partitions
03:41<fraksken>create new patition, wrte to stick
03:41<fraksken>execute mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdd
03:42<fraksken>when I try to open the stick, nautilus crashes with the following in the syslog:
03:42<fraksken>Sep 9 09:39:32 dimac kernel: [489829.812996] nautilus[11054]: segfault at ffffffffffffffd0 ip 00007ff0046521d8 sp 00007fff86786aa0 error 5 in[7ff0044e7000+6cf000]
03:43<fraksken>I have the same problem for each stick I cleaned and for a debian install stick I created
03:45<fraksken>I have no idea what's going on
03:50<fraksken>I found the identical issue here:
03:50<fraksken>there is no solution though
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04:03<Echoz>fraksken: did you create a new partition table, too? you can do it with o in fdisk
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04:06<fraksken>I'll check, just a mo
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04:25<fraksken>I think I made a mistake during the partitioning
04:26<fraksken>most sticks are working now, I think 1 stick is physically broken. I am now rewriting the Debian install disk to a stick
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04:34<petn-randall>fraksken: If you run 'mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdd' you will create a filesystem on the naked block device, and blow away the partitioning. You probably want /dev/sdd1 in this case.
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04:34<fraksken>yeah, I think I made that mistake at one point
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04:43<Echoz>petn-randall: not using a partition table is supposed to work perfectly fine with ext4, though
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05:03<fraksken>ok, so I did some tests.
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05:04<fraksken>formatting a disk that did not contain a live bootable partition is no problem. those work without issue
05:04<fraksken>I had some install usb's with bootable partitions. each time I format them I get the same problems
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05:06<fraksken>I'm trying to figure out how I can best describe the problem
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05:14<Yagger>Hello, I am running into a problem when upgrading Squeeze LTS to Wheezy LTS. I get 6 lines with packages wanting: Depends: perlapi-5.10.0 but it is not installable I am unable to install aptitude as that will just show me the same problem/error of dependencies. How can I resolve this?
05:14<fraksken>the pastebin contans the steps I take, the error messages and a screenshot
05:14<fraksken>Yagger: try 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install'?
05:16<Yagger>fraksken: Did not work, it chockes on libpango1.0-common as that requires defoma-app (not found)
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05:21<fraksken>Yagger: sorry. I would do the same you are doing now, ask here. google doesn't really yield anything useful
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05:30<fraksken>update on the usb format issue:
05:30<Yagger>fraksken: Thanks. I will just have to restore the VM from the backup prior to updating. Thanks anyway!
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05:31<fraksken>I seem to be unable to change the FS label name
05:31<fraksken>I will try a low level format
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05:41<fraksken>overwriting the MBR record solved the issue
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06:15<mjt>Hi. Debian jessie, gnome. When I connect ethernet, and my wifi is enabled (which is almost always the case), network-manager appears to be connectig to BOTH wifi and ethernet. Is there a way to tell it to disable wifi when ethernet cable is plugged on?
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06:18<grawity>normally that's not needed, since ethernet connections have lower metric
06:18<grawity>so everything will use ethernet *except* the wi-fi IP subnet
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07:04<kritzefitz>I'm trying to enable location based network interface naming in Jessie, so I installed udev from backports and tried to follow the instructions in udev's README.Debian. It says I should rename/remove a file in /etc/udev/rules.d, but that directory is completely empty.
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07:06<petn-randall>Echoz: Probably with a dozen other filesystems, too. Not arguing against that. Problem is that other OS will see that disk as "empty" and offer to format it.
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07:11<Echoz>petn-randall: Absolutely, however seeing as it's formatted as ext4, it probably isn't meant to be used with other OS's
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07:16<grawity>kritzefitz: the instructions might be for the *old* Debian "persistent-net" rules
07:16<grawity>kritzefitz: ah, wait, you actually want to *enable* the new udev naming?
07:17<grawity>that's... rare.
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07:17<grawity>kritzefitz: anyway, pastebin `udevadm info /sys/class/net/eth0`?
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07:26<grawity>should be fine on next reboot, then
07:26<grawity>or maybe on `udevadm trigger -v -y net`
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07:27<petn-randall>Echoz: The problem isn't that it won't be used in other OS, the problem is that they might destroy the data assuming its empty. Same thing can happen if you use linux software RAID on blank disks, and put those disks into a linux system that doesn't have mdadm installed.
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07:29<kritzefitz>It doesn't seem to work, but that might be because the system is not a "real" Debian system, but a FAI installation environment (booted via PXE and root mounted via NFS) and there is some additional configuration I'm not aware of.
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07:29<Echoz>petn-randall: Interesting, do you know what services and why they would write to a block device without being instructed to by the user?
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07:30<petn-randall>Echoz: Stick in a blank USB disk into Windows. It'll immediately pop up with "This disk is not formatted. Do you want to format it? y/n". There's user interaction needed, but it's still a unnecessary pitfall.
07:31<bremner>macs are similarly enthusiastic at helping you lose data
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07:34<Echoz>petn-randall: I know about that, I was more thinking about how a linux RAID would be destroyed
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07:37<kritzefitz>grawity: I forgot to regenerate the initramfs. It now doesn't start properly, but I thinks that's because I didn't generate the initramfs correctly. Thanks for helping me!
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07:40<petn-randall>Echoz: If you have a mdraid, and don't have mdadm installed, it won't be properly recognized. So it's easy to accidentally assume its an empty disk.
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07:44<Echoz>petn-randall: Oh, of course. I thought you meant the system would destroy it on its own, not that the user would.
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07:49<Echoz>petn-randall: In terms of Windows, it will ask you to format regardless of whether or not there's a partition table containing the ext4 fs, just tested it out of curiousity. Sometimes an OS can get a little too helpful :)
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07:55<petn-randall>Echoz: Haha, indeed.
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07:58<bremner>Linux detected! Exterminaaate! Exterminaaate!
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08:02<bodhi>bremner: Still here ??!! :-)
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08:24<MarkedOne>How can I install CUDA for nvidia? I have installed these packages already: nvidia-kernel-dkms, bumblebee-nvidia, primus, primus-libs:i386, nvidia-driver of version 340
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08:26<Echoz>MarkedOne: I don't remember exactly the process, but the packages I have are libcuda1:amd64 libcuda1:i386 libcuda-i386 nvidia-cuda-mps
08:27<MarkedOne>Echoz: THank you
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08:38<MarkedOne>Why aptitude want to instal :i386 packages if I enter 'aptitude install nvidia-cuda-toolkit'?
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08:39<MarkedOne>I did not type install nvidia-cuda-toolkit:i386 to install 32bit variant.. I want only 64bit variant.. So why there are atempts to install 32bit dependency packages?
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08:41<bluca>probably due to recommends
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08:44<MarkedOne>and why recommends is automaticaly? It is not depends.
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08:45<bremner>because they are wanted for most installations and experts can turn it off
08:45<MarkedOne>I have situation when it goes into installing libcuda1, libcuda1:i386 and which depends on nvidia-smi and nvidia-smi:i386. But nvidia-smi and nvidia-smi:i386 are in conflict.
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08:47<b34bb>hey everyone
08:48<MarkedOne>bremner: So what should I do now? libcuda1 depends nvidia-smi, libcuda1:i386 depends nvidia-smi:i386. Conflict nvidia-smi and nvidia-smi:i386
08:48<jelly>MarkedOne: can you get rid of all the :i386 packages?
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08:50<MarkedOne>jelly: What do you mean? I have installed wine:i386 and need it to work. So I can not get rid of all installed :i386 packages
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08:50<jelly>MarkedOne: then you'll have to carefully apply aptitude's -R, --without-recommends option for some of the things you install
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08:51<jelly>,v depends libcuda1 --arch i386
08:51<judd>No package named 'depends' was found in i386.
08:51<jelly>,depends libcuda1 --arch i386
08:51<judd>Package libcuda1 in jessie/i386 -- depends: nvidia-support, nvidia-alternative (= 340.96-1), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~),multiarch-support.
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08:51<b34bb>I have a problem with the Intel PRO/Wireless LAN 2100, I installed the firmware-ipw2x00, wireless-tools, wpa_supplicant and wicd (basically followed this page), I can scan for networks in wicd but whenever I try to connect it hangs a while during authentification and then stops with a "wrong password", also on open (aka unsecured) networks
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08:52<b34bb>anybody got a clue what I could check for?
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08:57<Echoz>MarkedOne: Sorry, I moved my mail server to a different country so I got disconnected. I'll take a look at nvidia-cuda-toolkit now.
08:59<MarkedOne>Echoz: I have found here to install So my problem now is to resolve dependency problem.
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09:01<Echoz>MarkedOne: You need to be able to create software for CUDA, not just run it, right?
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09:03<Echoz>MarkedOne: My computer appears to not require any i386 packages to install nvidia-cuda-toolkit
09:03<MarkedOne>Echoz: To be honest, I am not sure. Probably just run CUDA. I want Blender (software) to use dedicated graphic card for rendering. I have found that stackexchange answer.
09:03<Echoz>MarkedOne: I'll look at it
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09:05<MarkedOne>Echoz: I have enabled :i386 support because of wine (lot of windows programs are 32bit) From that moment, aptitude wants to install :i386 packages almost every time.
09:05<MarkedOne>nvidia-cuda-toolkit depends nvidia-cuda-dev
09:05<Echoz>MarkedOne: nvidia-cuda-toolkit is for development of CUDA applications, if your blender build has CUDA support you won't need it, but I'm not sure if you'll have to compile it with support for cuda yourself.
09:05<bluca>install without --no-install-recommends
09:06<MarkedOne>bluca: I dont mind reccomends packages.. But why :i386 packages are trying to be installed
09:06<bluca>because of recommends
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09:07<MarkedOne>bluca: I dont get it. whey you type `aptitude show nvidia-cuda-dev` There is no :i386 package in Recommends section.
09:08<bluca>it will be further down in the dependency chain
09:09<MarkedOne>bluca: Can it be visualized?
09:09<Echoz>MarkedOne: run "apt-get install -f --dry-run", maybe these are dependencies for another application you have that are unresolved
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09:11<MarkedOne>I can ignore :i386 package So aptitude will say The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: nvidia-smi:i386. Should not be problem?
09:12<bluca>that is fine
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09:19<MarkedOne>bluca: Thanks. Some visualization could be really helpful. :D
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09:42<MarkedOne>Echoz: I have asked on #blender support channel and they thold me that there is no need for development CUDA package. Just runtime package of CUDA should be enough.
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09:45<Echoz>MarkedOne: My suspicion is that perhaps the Debian version of it does not ship with CUDA support due to it being a non-free library. I would have to look into it when I get home, however, as I doubt results would be good over ssh.
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10:04<MarkedOne>Echoz: I don't have blender installed as package. On there is .bz2 package. Just unpack and run. And sorry, but I don't understand what do you mean with ssh.
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10:07<MarkedOne>Anyway, development is superset of runtime. So I can try if runtime CUDA libraries are enough. What do you think? :)
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10:09<urvulla>where does the kde update notification take it's data and how do I stop it from working ?
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10:12<thrall_Master>I have ethernet bridging working using just regular "bridge-ports eth0", but when I try regular expression "bridge-ports regex eth*" it does not work.... Any clues?
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10:12<thrall_Master>I am talking about /etc/network/interfaces
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10:20<squeeb>How do I get information about a repo that's installed? Specifically which key it's using
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10:24<rno>it's maybe with a point instead, "bridge-ports regex eth."
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10:27<buhtz>Is there any virtual machine technic which can emulate a hardware-raid-controller? VirtualBox doesn't. qemu IMO also.
10:28<somiaj>isn't that what software raid does?
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10:29<buhtz>somiaj: I don't know nothing about software raid. I want to make some experiments with debian on a "virtual NAS". e.g. I want to practice how to setup a raid with debian and things like that. I don't know but in my imagination the setup of a software raid is different from a hardware one, isn't it?
10:29<stephen0001>buhtz: I hope I'm not mistaken but...isn't SCSI for RAID?
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10:30<somiaj>buhtz: they are different in how they are implimented, but I think that is what you are asking for. So if you want raid in a vm you can use software raid to experiment.
10:30<buhtz>ok, thanks for helping.
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10:32<calher>Does anyone have any info on getting the Steam controller working on Jessie?
10:32<somiaj>buhtz: software raid is just software emulting hardware raid. I don't know if it is worth doing this on the host and making the raid appear as hardware to the vm, or just using software raid inside the vm which debian alreayd has tools for.
10:32<buhtz>When I am still here I can ask another question: Which web-fronted should I choose for a NAS? FreeNAS and OpenMediaVault are not a choice because they are complete distros. I want my own Debian stable and work on base of it. Webmin has some problems with Debian and is not in the official repository.
10:33<somiaj>buhtz: but this could also be why vm doesn't supply this feature. Just use software raid instead.
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10:33<somiaj>buhtz: but I don't know much about raid, this is just my observation.
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10:33*buhtz will choose software raid for the experiments
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10:33<thrall_Master>the manual specifically uses eth*
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10:34<rno>it depends the manual, i think it's worth trying with a .
10:34<MarkedOne>Echoz: Hello, I have made it work. libcuda1 was only needed. Thank for your help and time. :)
10:36<rno>thrall_Master: another manual:
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10:40<Echoz>MarkedOne: Great to hear, because I'm working an hour overtime, so I wouldn't be able to do any testing myself as soon as I thought :)
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10:42<thrall_Master>buhtz, if you are going for sys admin jobs, you better love CLI and forget about GUI
10:43<Echoz>thrall_Master: this man is speaking the truth
10:44<MarkedOne>Echoz: Thank you again, your thoughts point me to right direction. :)
10:44<MarkedOne>bluca: Thank you for that pesky recommends thing. :D
10:44<thrall_Master>oftentimes, GUI creates additional problems that you have to deal with, while you are in critical situation
10:45<Echoz>MarkedOne: You're all welcome, pal
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10:46<Echoz>thrall_Master: I'm ashamed to admit I've had this problem too often, trying to do something I don't fully understand from a simple interface, and encountering problems because I didn't understand how it was done
10:46*buhtz knows how to use a ssh shell but asked for a GUI
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10:48<Echoz>I've never used a NAS web interface personally, though. Does it have any useful features post-setup?
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10:49<thrall_Master>Echoz, you can do your job from a coffee shop.....
10:50<Echoz>thrall_Master: I find coffee tastes better with SSH
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10:52<b34bb>hey everyone
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10:52<b34bb>I have a problem with the Intel PRO/Wireless LAN 2100, I installed the firmware-ipw2x00, wireless-tools, wpa_supplicant and wicd (basically followed this page), I can scan for networks in wicd but whenever I try to connect it hangs a while during authentification and then stops with a "wrong password", also on open (aka unsecured) networks
10:52<b34bb>anybody got a clue what I could check for?
10:53<Echoz>b34bb: Are you choosing the right security protocol?
10:54<b34bb>yes, also tried different ones and I have the same problem with an unsecured network
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10:54<Echoz>b34bb: Oh, I just saw that about the unsecured network. Sorry, but I'm gonna have to leave this to the others now, but if you still have a problem when I get home I will be here again
10:55<b34bb>great, thx
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10:59<squeeb>Uuuuuuuuuuugrh.. pveceph createmon also doesn't read /etc/network/interfaces with CIDR format notation -_-
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11:29<pincoball>there is nobody?
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11:53<roque1>no se porque no me ejecuta audacity me pide una carpeta temporal
11:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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11:56<roque1>I do not why audacity ask me temp carpet
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11:57<roque1>thank you
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12:17<maxi>TODO BIEN
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12:20<danielsh>dpkg, ops
12:20<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
12:20<danielsh>dpkg, ops spam/sockpuppeter using two usernames from single IP
12:20<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: danielsh complains about: spam/sockpuppeter using two usernames from single IP
12:20<eve>que sos vs
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13:33<krawx>hello there!
13:33<Yst>Greetings, krawx!
13:34<krawx>Hey yst
13:34<krawx>i just installed debian!
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13:34<Yst>krawx: Awesome! Debian's my favorite system.
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13:36<SynrG>krawx: if you have a support question, just ask. otherwise, join #debian-offtopic for social chat
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13:37<krawx>got it!
13:37<krawx>thank you!
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13:56<Echoz>b34bb: Hi, do you still have a problem with your Wi-Fi drivers?
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14:08<b34bb> Echoz: yes, nothing changed
14:08<b34bb>any ideas?
14:09<Echoz>can you give me the harware ID? the one you'd get from LSPCI
14:10<Echoz>not sure why I wrote that in capital letters...
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14:10<b34bb>02:07.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter (rev 04)
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14:12<r4c00n>"lspci -c
14:12<r4c00n>"lspci -n
14:13<Echoz>no, do lspci -nn
14:13<Echoz>easier for you to identify it
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14:13<b34bb>02:07.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter [8086:1043] (rev 04)
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14:14<Echoz>Thanks, I'll look for the firmware and also check if i have this card myself
14:14<b34bb>I installed the firmware provided in the wiki and loaded the kernelmodule
14:15<b34bb>before that it wasn'T even detected as a wireless interface, after that it worked just fine except it can't connect
14:15<Echoz>ipw2100 this one?
14:15<Echoz>I'll do a quick check on a couple thinkpads, I know they all needed firmware
14:15<b34bb>firmware package was firmware-ipw2x00
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14:18<Echoz>In the meantime, are you using NetworkManager?
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14:19<b34bb>nope, there are no traces of the network manager left that i'm aware of
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14:19<Echoz>Oh, you had it but deleted it?
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14:20<b34bb>to explain it, a friend of mine installed a laptop for another friend of mine with the gnomeshell but it wouldn't run it (samsung x10), so I completely removed xserver and everything releated and installed openbox and wicd as a connection manager
14:21<b34bb>(and obviously reinstalled x)
14:21<b34bb>apt-get autoremove --purge network-manager
14:21<b34bb>should have worked as intended
14:21<Echoz>All right, I think the oldest laptop I still have is my T61, so I'm not gonna keep checking them, then
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14:23<Echoz>what interfaces are configured in /etc/network/interfaces?
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14:25<b34bb>what happend to pastie?
14:26<Echoz>No idea, but if you have mail set up you can also pipe it into an email to
14:26<b34bb>this looks to me like something is wrong
14:26<Echoz>no files in /etc/network/interfaces.d/
14:27<Echoz>how about systemctl status wicd?
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14:29<b34bb>you want the full output?
14:29<Echoz>Sure, might as well see if there's anything relevant
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14:31<b34bb>nothing relevant I'd say?
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14:32<Echoz>No, haha, still the same lines just more info about your dhcp over eth0
14:32<Echoz>are you in the group netdev?
14:33<Echoz>have you logged out and back in since you joined that group?
14:33<b34bb>yes, several times
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14:34<Echoz>and you are trying to connect with the graphical wicd client, right?
14:34<b34bb>yes again
14:34<Echoz>Oh, sorry I didn't remember if you already said
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14:35<b34bb>just referring to me saying yes all the time, didn't say so before
14:35<Echoz>Oh, okay :)
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14:38<Echoz>Just to make sure, you've checked systemctl status NetworkManager?
14:38<Echoz>Ideally it should say not-found
14:38<b34bb>it does
14:38<b34bb>no such file or directory
14:40<Echoz>Do you have wpasupplicant?
14:41<Echoz>do you have the file /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf?
14:41<Echoz>if so what's in it
14:42<b34bb>no, only a directory
14:44<b34bb>there is a wpasupplicant.conffiles in /var/lib/dpkg/info but that should be irrelevant
14:44<Echoz>Yeah, it should
14:45<Echoz>is your wlan interface called wlan0?
14:45<b34bb>no, eth1
14:45<b34bb>wait, double check
14:45<Echoz>wlan interfaces should never be called eth
14:45<Echoz>try ip link
14:45<b34bb>this one is
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14:48<Echoz>that's really odd
14:48<Echoz>do you get anything if you do iwlist scan?
14:49<b34bb>yes, scans for networks as it should
14:50<b34bb>iwconfig also says it's eth1, rfkill names it phy0
14:50<Echoz>It seems it's not really a problem, just very odd
14:50<b34bb>I think I had that before on other computers but it was never a problem
14:51<b34bb>mostly almost same setup
14:51<Echoz>Yeah I found some other articles with similar wireless nics showing up as ethX
14:51<Echoz>ipw2200 however
14:52<b34bb>oh, and wicd didn'tz automatically use it as wireless interface, had to add it manually
14:52<b34bb>in the configuration dialoge
14:52<Echoz>I see, were there any settings you had to set while adding it?
14:53<b34bb>nope, just opend the configuration window, the entry for wlan-device was empty and I put eth1 in it
14:54<b34bb>after that it would scan for networks as it should
14:55<Echoz>it seems like almost everyone having this problem has networkmanager
14:55<b34bb>easier solvable with networkmanager?
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14:56<Echoz>I actually meant that networkmanager was the problem preventing them from connecting with wicd
14:56<b34bb>or do you have a clue where the problem is?
14:56<b34bb>could there be any leftovers from networkmanager that are causing this problem?
14:56<Echoz>I'm thinking about the same
14:57<Echoz>try dpkg -l | grep -i -e networmanager -e network-manager
14:57<Echoz>oh damn
14:57<Echoz>networkmanager in the first one, not networ..
14:58<b34bb>rc network-manager-gnome i386 network management framework (GNOME frontend)
14:58<Echoz>hmm, doesn't that depend on network-manager
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14:59<b34bb>uh, used the networmanager by accident, but same output with networkmanager
14:59<Echoz>hm, just remove the package at least
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15:00<Echoz>if you don't have network-manager you definitely don't need that
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15:01<b34bb>uh, dpkg says there are configfiles left and I should use --purge
15:02<Echoz>well that brings us even closer :)
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15:02<b34bb>but why didn't the apt-get purge work?
15:03<b34bb>ehm and reboot?
15:03<Echoz>I supposed you don't strictly need to reboot. but you might as well just to make sure
15:03<b34bb>k, see you in a bit
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15:09<b34bb>Echoz: still the same problem
15:10<Echoz>well at least we eliminated one possibility
15:10<b34bb>but with the open network it doesn't exactly fail, it just said "obtaining IP adress for about a minute, then I stopped it
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15:11<Echoz>is this an open network you are normally able to connect to?
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15:12<b34bb>it's one of these smartphone-hotspots
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15:13<Echoz>Okay. I'm sort of out of ideas as to how to get wicd to work, given I've never even used wicd. May want to try without wicd and then installing networkmanager again if it works without
15:13<b34bb>can I also do this without networkmanager and wicd at all?
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15:14<b34bb>i'd prefer not to run nm
15:14<Echoz>You can, but it's not as quick and easy
15:14<Echoz>I have configured it in /etc/network/interfaces before
15:15<b34bb>but I guess I could scramble some shell scripts which would allow a regular user to connect to a network
15:15<Echoz>Oh yeah, absolutely
15:16<Valvalion>Hi, my compagny is actively searching an "Embedded Linux developper" for automotive infotainment project, located in Belgium. contact by mail or pm. thanks
15:17<b34bb>Echoz: any hints about that?
15:17<Echoz>I was in the process of giving you what to append to the file
15:17<b34bb>k, sorry
15:17<Echoz>when i discovered the uploads on my website no longer work, luckily i still have the old web server running, haha
15:17<Echoz>I just migrated it to a VPS yesterday
15:18<Echoz>just have to temporarily open port 80 in iptables, hold on a minute
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15:20<Echoz>append this to /etc/interfaces replacing the SSID and passphrase with your information
15:21<Echoz>i mean /etc/network/interfaces, sorry
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15:21<b34bb>and i have to sort them up to down which network to try first right?
15:21<Echoz>well you only have loopback there now, it will connect all interfaces
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15:22<b34bb>and if I have twenty ssids in there it will try all twenty or can I select one to use?
15:23<Echoz>I'm not sure, actually, but you're probably better off commenting the ones you don't want to connect to but want to keep
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15:24<b34bb>or I keep them all in a small db and just select one to put in?
15:24<Echoz>Yeah, that would work as well
15:25<Echoz>I'm sure if you know perl you can make a relatively elegant solution
15:25<b34bb>yeah, was thinking about perl
15:25<Echoz>bash is never elegant but it would probably work too haha
15:26<b34bb>well, still have to try if it works
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15:26<Echoz>when you've put it in the file just do ifup eth1
15:27<Echoz>should bring it up, if not you can try systemctl restart networking
15:27<Echoz>if that doesn't work, worst case: reboot
15:28<b34bb>and do I have to stop wicd for that or can it run on the side?
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15:30<Echoz>You may be able to run it, but it won't cost you a lot to run systemctl disable wicd and systemctl stop wicd
15:30<Echoz>disable in case of a reboot, though, don't need to otherwise
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15:33<Echoz>since i got home i acquired at least 2 problems of my own, my ssh-agent is defunct and my file uploads don't work, hah
15:33<b34bb>that's waht you get for helping other people ;)
15:33<Echoz>Problems for another day
15:33<Echoz>haha :)
15:33<Echoz>I generated a new SSH key, because i realized i had forgotten the passphrase of my old one
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15:35<vortek>hey can i ask a hardware question i n here
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15:36<Echoz>I'm not the boss around here, but I don't mind trying to answer it
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15:37<Echoz>b34bb: Have you had any success?
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15:41<Guest207>vortek: if about Debian hardware compat., sure, otherwise, in freenode ##hardware
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15:42<vortek>k i got freenode :D
15:43<isotester>is there a duel boot option in isotester
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15:43<Echoz>what is isotester?
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15:44<isotester>new distro i just trying
15:44<Echoz>if you don't have the option in the distro you could simlpy install the bootloader from your other OS or from live media
15:45<Echoz>but if you're just trying it out, i would recommend using a VM
15:46<isotester>its also called av linux
15:46<isotester>just came out
15:47<Echoz> this one?
15:47<isotester>thats it
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15:48<Echoz>Seeing as it's debian based it should have the same ability to dual boot as Debian
15:48<b34bb>Echoz: Had a phone call, gonna try now
15:48<Echoz>what OS would you be running next to it?
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15:48<Echoz>b34bb: All right :)
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15:49<isotester>i hope so--going to try doing it soon
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15:50<isotester>you need to read the specs on it--it looks pretty cool
15:50<Echoz>isotester: it would be relevant to know what OS will be running next to it, though, to answer your question more accurately
15:51<isotester>well i hate to say it but windows 10 crux
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15:52<Echoz>Then I would look into how to either configure the new Windows bootloader to load Linux or how to load Windows 10 with GRUB
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15:53<isotester>will do that
15:54<isotester>it works well on this system
15:54<Echoz>My experience with dual booting is limited to what it was 5+ years ago, but I would imagine Windows 10 is using UEFI boot and possibly secureboot, as to UEFI, it's a little more complex to set up but absolutely doable, however secureboot might just have to be disabled for this to work
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15:54<isotester>no problems there
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15:55<vortek>ahh crap #harware is invite only and ##hhardware is moderated an no ops heh
15:55<isotester>going to reasearch a little more before i jump in too it
15:57<isotester>also runing latest mint just wanted to try something with more media tools
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15:58<b34bb>Echoz: hm, still doesn't work
15:59<b34bb>output of ifup --verbose eth1
15:59<isotester>thanks guys--later
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16:03<b34bb>problem in dhcp?
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16:05<Echoz>b34bb: sorry, my ssh timed out and i didn't see it, haha
16:06<Echoz>b34bb: I'll look at it right now
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16:06<Echoz>b34bb: it seems dhcp does not work, indeed. do you know your dhcp range, network and mask?
16:07<Echoz>b34bb: I can give you a static setup or if you know how to set it up yourself
16:07<b34bb>I don't, another phonecall atm, sorry
16:07<Echoz>all good
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16:08<Echoz>is it the same subnet as you were on with ethernet?
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16:09<Echoz>ok, can you give me the output of ip addr show eth0
16:09<Echoz>either by email or file upload
16:09<Echoz>by the way i fixed the file uploads on my website while i was out, haha
16:10<Echoz>oh, or pastebin, whatever you prefer to be honest
16:12<b34bb>sent by /msg
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16:13<Echoz>b34bb: do you have other DHCP clients on your network?
16:14<Echoz>if not I'd say it's safe to say .2-9 are not within the scope
16:14<b34bb>not that I know of
16:14<Echoz>okay, let me update the interfaces file and send you a new link
16:14<b34bb>wait, you mean if other computers are connected to the same network?
16:15<b34bb>if so, yes
16:15<Echoz>oh, okay
16:15<Echoz>Well with DHCP, and not a static configuration
16:15<Echoz>how many computers would you say?
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16:15<b34bb>at least two laptops and some smartpohones probably, can't telly you exactly
16:16<Echoz>all right,
16:16<Echoz>just do ping
16:16<Echoz>and ping
16:16<Echoz>ideally .1 responds and .2 doesn't
16:16<Echoz>even if .2 is in the scope at least it will work temporarily and prove that the iface can actually work :)
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16:18<b34bb>by true I meant .1 responds and .2 doesn't
16:18<Echoz>oh, hehe
16:18<Echoz>okay, then hold on a minute :)
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16:21<Echoz>edit the file appropriately, retaining your ssid and passphrase, which according to the logs you showed me work
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16:21<Echoz>then bring the interface down with ifdown eth1 and up again with ifup eth1
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16:23<b34bb>but I need to take down eth0 for that right?
16:23<b34bb>or will it do that automatically?
16:24<Echoz>it won't but don't take it down, you can have 2 addresses on the same network
16:24<Echoz>just make sure the configuration is right and it shows up in ip addr
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16:24<Echoz>your computer will not use it yet however as the route is probably shorter over ethernet
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16:26<b34bb>still not working
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16:26<Echoz>what are the logs saying?
16:27<b34bb>you got a /msg
16:27<b34bb>or is that not what you meant?
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16:28<Echoz>haha my mistake
16:28<Echoz>go back to /etc/network/interfaces and change "dhcp" to "static"
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16:28<Echoz>had a hunch id forgotten something :)
16:30<b34bb>hm, ifdown eth1 says RTNETLINK answers: No such process, but ifup eth1 says the two ioctl-errors and RTNETLINK answers: File exists
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16:32<Echoz>try systemctl restart networking
16:32<Echoz>you may get disconnected from irc, though
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16:32<b34bb>so, brb
16:33<b34bb>can you read this?
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16:33<b34bb>if so, still same error
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16:34<Echoz>can you show me the output again? might have a small difference
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16:34<b34bb>could it be that the dhcp-installation is somehow fucked up?
16:34<Echoz>because it should not be running dhclient on that interfaces
16:34<Echoz>perhaps... It sort of seems like something else is interfering
16:34<Echoz>is wicd running perhaps?
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16:35<b34bb>uh yes it is
16:35<Echoz>it could be overriding the settings set in /etc/networks/interfaces
16:35<Echoz>try to stop it and then restart networking, see if it helps
16:35<scrabbler>sounds like a routing table error:
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16:37<Echoz>perhaps is not your gateway or the WLAN runs on a different subnet
16:38<Echoz>according to previous logs you sent me, is the dhcp server, since it's .1 i'll assume you're behind a unified gateway?
16:38<b34bb>mh I stopped wicd by /etc/init.d/wicd stop but there are still two wicd-client running as ps shows?
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16:38<Echoz>oh of course...
16:39<b34bb>and what's a unified gateway?
16:39<Echoz>your eth0 iface is running through wicd
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16:39<Echoz>basically a gateway that provides serices such as DNS, DHCP, firewall, etc.
16:40<Echoz>often also a wlan AP
16:40<Echoz>add these two lines below your loopback config in /etc/network/interfaces
16:40<Echoz>auto eth0
16:41<Echoz>iface eth0 inet dhcp
16:41<Echoz>and it should function just fine without wicd
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16:41<Echoz>to ensure it does not run upon a reboot you may as well disable it in systemd
16:41<b34bb>systemd disable wicd?
16:42<Echoz>oh wait no
16:43<b34bb>can I also do that with the init.d file?
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16:44<Echoz>I don't think so, but the /etc/init.d/* files are basically just there to provide backwards compatibility, if you have systemd, anyway
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16:46<b34bb>that systemd...
16:46<b34bb>so, see you after the reboot
16:46<Echoz>all right :)
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16:51<b34bb>...still not working
16:51<Echoz>what do the logs say now?
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16:52<b34bb> /msg again
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16:53<Echoz>I was looking at it.. hm
16:53<b34bb>and wicd asked me for admin access on startup
16:53<Echoz>did you disable wicd in systemd?
16:53<Echoz>it should not be running upon boot
16:53<b34bb>systemctl disable wicd
16:53<Echoz>Yeah that should do the job
16:53<b34bb>and I have a wicd-client process running
16:54<b34bb>do i have to disable wicd-client as well?
16:54<Echoz>is that a service? then yes
16:55<b34bb>seems like it, at least systemctl disable wicd-client didn't throw an error
16:55<Echoz>hm good
16:55<Echoz>try to systemctl stop wicd-client
16:55<Echoz>and then systemctl restart networking
16:56<b34bb>but systemctl doesn't throw an error when I try to disable random strings
16:56<b34bb>and the stop says the service is not loaded
16:57<Echoz>oh, hah no, systemctl disable removes symlinks, if there are none to remove i suppose it does nothing
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16:59<Echoz>i sent you a /msg
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17:52<vortek>hey whats a better laptop for debian MSI
17:53<vortek>Im looking at the gaming models so I can get one packed with a ffast cpu and lots of ram
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17:54<vortek>I don't care for the gfx cards but no oone makes a hi performance catagory for you to search it's only busines personal or gaming
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18:00<TheLogan>Good evening folk :)
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18:01<TheLogan>I'm pretty new to Linux, I've played a little with Raspbian but figured I'd like to try Debian on my laptop, so I've just installed it, however I have a number of problems and I haven't found any solutions.
18:02<sds>o/ all
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18:02<vortek>what r they?
18:02<TheLogan>So first of, it boots to command line, which I'm not super strong in, and I haven't figured out if there's even a gui manager installed. startx does nothing (which was the solution I was offered on a number of sites).
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18:03<sds>I checked the #net-snmp channel but it is empty
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18:03<sds>is there somebody who can help me on snmp trouble?
18:03<TheLogan>Then I figured I need internet to install it, so I tried to find wifi, couldn't find a reliable guide for setting it up as I can't seem to start gedit, nor ifconfig, though I did find the command "ip a" which seems to do what ifconfig used to do
18:04<TheLogan>So I placed my laptop in the livingroom with an ethernet cable in it, but it still doesn't have net xD
18:04<vortek>what sort of disk did you use to install it?
18:04<TheLogan>I can't figure out why, but I'm suspecting it may be a driver problem, but I don't know how to fix that in linux commandline
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18:05<vortek>what did you use to install debian?
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18:05*sds is looking for a SNMP master
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18:05<vortek>cuase the right install medium will auto detect your wifi for you or you ehternet
18:06<TheLogan>vortek: From the website I saw 3 options, net, tiny and small. net wasn't really possible as there were no free ethernets at the time, so I downloaded small (figured it was larger than tiny), onto a usb and installed from there
18:06<vortek>can you burn cd's now?
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18:07<vortek>cuase my knowledge is limited but i can direct you to a imagee to burn to cd that will auto detect your wifi drivers
18:07<TheLogan>neither my laptop nor my (the non laptop computer) has a cd drive
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18:07<vortek>one sec let me see if i can find a solution
18:07<TheLogan>but usb I can do, I've got a couple of pendrives :)
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18:11<vortek>what image did you put on usb?
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18:14<TheLogan>vortek: this one:
18:14<vortek>k let me find something else for you
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18:16<vortek>thanxs mtn
18:16<mtn>vortek: :)
18:16<vortek>TheLogan: you know how to put the image on usb im asuming?
18:16<TheLogan>Thanks :)
18:16<TheLogan>Yeah, I did it with the other version :)
18:16<vortek>cuase this image will auto detect your wireless card
18:17<TheLogan>Amazing! :)
18:17<vortek>and choose dhcp
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18:17<vortek>to auto config your network when it asks
18:17<TheLogan>What's the difference between current and current-live though?
18:17<vortek>i think live is more newer and not tested as much
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18:17<TheLogan>Yeah, fingers crossed! Thanks both of you :)
18:17<mtn>as long as it is not broadcom ;)
18:17<TheLogan>Ah, so it's like "experimental" or "beta" sort of
18:18<mtn>you shouldn't use the live disk for installing. use the netinstall
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18:18<mtn>TheLogan: broadcom wireless drivers are not on any disk
18:18<mtn>TheLogan: have to be downloaded
18:18<TheLogan>I don't actually know what drivers it uses, but I'll give it a spin and have my fingers crossed. Thanks again :)
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18:21<TheLogan>using the current non live one :)
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18:22<sds>Question about SNMP. Is it normal that when I try to snmpwalk my server, I only get like 50 OID?
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18:22<sds>I'm trying to import new MIBs but it doesn't seem to work :-(
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18:25<vortek>i dont know anything about snmp sorry
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18:25<sds>vortek: :(
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18:27<vortek>try to google your question
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18:28<vortek>try here
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18:28<vortek>or go here just scroll to bottum
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18:29<sds>I read countless of documentations since yesterday, I can't get the very basic SNMP working and I really don't understand how it can be so ^^
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18:37<vortek>check the wiki it has simple guides
18:38<sds>I know, this is why it drives me crazy. It looks perfectly simple, I don't know where it goes wrong
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18:53<sds>oh god
18:53<sds>vortek: in my snmpd.conf, by default, the view of the MIBs is restricted
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18:54<sds>two days, because I don't read my config files
18:54<vortek>Sorry i dont no nothing about snmp's
18:54<sds>what have I done with my life
18:55<sds>nevermind, my problem is about to be solved, so today was a good day
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19:03<TheLogan>I'm installing, and it's asking me for a driver rtlwifi/rtl8723befw.bin so I went and found it .. twice, but it's not accepting them, could it be the wrong version somehow?
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21:30<TheLogan>I've installed the version of Debian with all the non-free bells and whistles but somehow it still hasn't found my ethernet drivers, I have them on a usb however, but I don't know how to install them through commandline, and non of the articles I've found have so far been able to help me
21:31<TheLogan>One of the results I found stated that to see available drives i go "sudo fdisk -l", however I have neither sudo nor fdisk (though I'm not entirely sure why not)
21:32<blast007>if you set a root password during install, sudo wasn't installed, so just switch to root with 'su -'
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21:34<TheLogan>blast007: Ooh, I didn't know that, thanks :)
21:35<jmcnaught>TheLogan: can you show the output of "dmesg | grep firmware" and "lspci -nn | grep -i net" in a paste?
21:36<TheLogan>Yeah, just a sec :)
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21:43<TheLogan>jmcnaught: trying to send the photo from my phone to my email adress, not sure why it's taking so long but I'll get it here momentarily :)
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21:45<TheLogan>jmcnaught: here you go
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21:48<dmsc>TheLogan: you should install the "firmware-realtek" package.
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21:48<TheLogan>I have it on a usb drive plugged into the laptop, but I can't figure out how to install it :)
21:49<TheLogan>I don't have a graphical interface yet so it's all commandline for now, and I'm pretty green when it comes to linux :)
21:49<jmcnaught>TheLogan: find your usb drive with "lsblk" or "blkid"
21:50<TheLogan>OK :)
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21:51<jmcnaught>TheLogan: then say it's /dev/sdb1 you can do "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt", then "cd /mnt" and finally "dpkg -i firmware<TAB complete the rest>"
21:51<jmcnaught>TheLogan: to unmount the USB stick you need to change directories out of /mnt, then "umount /mnt"
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21:51<jmcnaught>did you have this package on a USB stick during the installation?
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22:00<TheLogan>there must have been a problem with the package, I'll just try redownloading it.
22:00<TheLogan>Also the unmount command was not found
22:01<jmcnaught>TheLogan: it's umount not unmount
22:01<TheLogan>Oh, derp, that's why xD
22:02<TheLogan>I'll just go and try again :)
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22:06<TheLogan>jmcnaught: I'm being told that there's an error when I try to install it, something about an exit code 2
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22:07<dmsc>TheLogan: can you paste the error message?
22:07<TheLogan>yeah, just a sec
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22:10<dmsc>TheLogan: You downloaded the wrong file, you need the debian package.
22:11<TheLogan>Oh xD
22:11<dmsc>TheLogan: download from one of the links at:
22:12<jmcnaught>TheLogan: the .deb file
22:12<dmsc>TheLogan: yes, you will end up with a file named "firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb"
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22:14<TheLogan>Ok, I got it, and while installing I get an error saying it's trying to overwrite an existing file, so it quits, I can just get you the error
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22:16<jmcnaught>TheLogan: this could be a file that you placed in /lib/firmware manually
22:17<TheLogan>No, but it could be from a different .deb file that I tried to install earlier, which did work, but which didn't fix the internet
22:17<TheLogan>Rather, it did install but functionally it did nothing
22:18<jmcnaught>TheLogan: where did the linux-firmware .deb come from?
22:18<dmsc>TheLogan: the "linux-firmware" package is an ubuntu package, not available in Debian. You are mixing distributions.
22:19<dmsc>TheLogan: remove it with "dpkg --purge linux-firmware"
22:19<TheLogan>possibly from here .. I can't remember, I must admit that doing this at 4 in the morning may be silly :)
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22:22<jmcnaught>TheLogan: did you read ? Dealing with missing firmwares is one of the topics covered in the manual
22:22<TheLogan>I must admit that I did not, I will do so tomorrow :)
22:24<jmcnaught>well now that you have Debian installed the Debian Administrator's Handbook and the Debian Reference are better to read
22:24<jmcnaught>however it is easier to install Debian if you read the install manual :)
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22:26<TheLogan>Cheers, I also have the package installed now :)
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22:28<jmcnaught>TheLogan: you can reboot to have it load the firmware, and then continue by following the instructions here: (or read the relevant parts of the handbook or reference)
22:29<TheLogan>Ok, I'll go do that now, thank you both for all the help, couldn't have gotten this far without you :)
22:29<jmcnaught>TheLogan: once you have a desktop environment installed you'll probably want to use NetworkManager, and for that you'll want to comment out the parts you are about to add to /etc/network/interfaces
22:30<TheLogan>I haven't gotten that far, but does that also count with ethernet, or just wifi? (set up wifi on a raspbian a while back through commandline, and remember a bit of the process)
22:33<jmcnaught>networkmanager can do both ethernet and wifi, so can the interfaces(5) method. there's a wiki page for wifi too.
22:35<TheLogan>Ok ^^
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22:51<TheLogan>guide seems outdated, now that net tools has been deprecated and the wireless tools (whatever they were called) are no longer present... however I can't seem to find a wifi guide with the new IP system
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22:52<jmcnaught>TheLogan: do you mean ?
22:53<TheLogan>jmcnaught : In the new version there doesn't seem to be an iwlist or jmcnaught iwconfig etc (not in sbin anyway)
22:54<jmcnaught>TheLogan: what do you mean "the new version"?
22:54<jmcnaught>TheLogan: if they're not installed on your computer, configure ethernet first and install the packages you need
22:54<TheLogan>after the version where they deprecated some of the older networking tools
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22:59<TheLogan>Actually, I think I'll just head to bed now and fix it tomorrow, thank you for your help :)
23:00<jmcnaught>TheLogan: good night :)
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