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00:11<nicolas17>I have a laptop that only has Wi-Fi, no Ethernet, I installed Debian successfully using the unofficial non-free-firmware netinst image
00:11<nicolas17>but now that it's installed, I have no network
00:12<nicolas17>looks like the wifi card works, but it didn't remember the network I used during installation
00:14<rajulocal>nicolas17: Are you using any desktop environment? In KDE, there is an icon at the bottom right of the panel. I can click this icon and select the wifi network and enter password.
00:14<nicolas17>no, I planned to install it now, except I can't do it with no network :P
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00:15<nicolas17>oh I do have iw* command line tools... no man though, ugh, this install was more minimal than I thought
00:17<rajulocal>nicolas17: In that case, I think you should configure the network using /etc/network/interfaces or iwconfig. It has been a long time since I used it. May be others would know.
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00:51<nicolas17>got it with /etc/network/interfaces
00:52<nicolas17>it's super hardcoded to a single network :P
00:52<nicolas17>but now I can install nm or something
00:57<rajulocal>nicolas17: Cool! I think it might be helpful if we have a simple script that creates this /etc/network/interfaces . That way end user will enter the ssid and password and he will have a working /etc/network/interfaces.
00:58<rajulocal>nicolas17: May be there is one already! I do not know.
00:59<nicolas17>rajulocal: IMO it would be good to remember the ssid and password I used during installation
00:59<nicolas17>but that could be problematic if after installation I want to switch to something else for wifi management
01:00<nicolas17>eg. if the installer writes an /etc/network/interfaces with my ssid and password, I'd have to manually remove it if I install network-manager
01:02<rajulocal>nicolas17: Did the installer ask you for ssid and password during the installtion?
01:03<rajulocal>nicolas17: If so, yeah! It should remember that.
01:06<nicolas17>yes, without that I wouldn't have been able to install at all
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01:06<nicolas17>this laptop has no Ethernet
01:06<nicolas17>the installer connected to Wi-Fi and downloaded packages from there
01:06<nicolas17>then I booted to the installed system and it had no network until I configured it manually
01:08<rajulocal>hmm... ok. So the password is lost during reboot!
01:08<nicolas17>yeah it's only used for the installer and not saved anywhere apparently
01:09<rajulocal>May be someone should request for this enhancement.
01:10<rajulocal>nicolas17: you can raise a wishlist bug for this if you are familiar with reporting bugs in Debian.
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01:14<nicolas17>having problems switching networks now... might be a firmware/driver thing though
01:18<nicolas17>yeah looks like I can't activate network B if I'm connected to network A
01:18<nicolas17>I have to deactivate network A and *then* activate B
01:22<nicolas17>installing command-not-found pulls in python2 *and* python3, wtf
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01:27<rajulocal>because it depends on python2 directly and then one of the dependencies lsb-release depends on python3.
01:28<rajulocal>if you do not want to pull in python2, install python3 first and that should satisfy the dependencies for command-not-found
01:30<rajulocal>never mind. That would not work.
01:30<rajulocal>since it depends on python-gdbm.
01:30<rajulocal>May be you have to install both python2 and 3 for this!
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01:39*nicolas17 upgrades to testing
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04:51<toralf>does debian has something similar to this: ?
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06:01<Neolex>Hi !
06:02<Neolex>I'm new on debian and I have a problem to install kcalc with apt/apt-get/aptitude its a dependancy issues here is the post(in french but only the command output are essentials) i hope someone could help me, thanks
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06:11<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (, *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
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06:11<arto>Neolex: if you are new to Debian, I would recommend stable
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06:13<Neolex>thanks arand
06:13<Neolex>arto *
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10:43<adhawkins>Hi all. Just updated my NAS with the recent debian upgrade, and now the NFS server isn't starting up correctly.
10:45<adhawkins>Would appreciate any suggestions. TO be clear, I didn't change anything else other than running 'apt upgrade'. It was all working fine before.
10:47<adhawkins>Ah, spotted it. I had a duplicate line in /etc/exports. Not sure why it worked ok previous.
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11:03<jhutchins>adhawkins: It's not uncommon for software to become stricter abotu configuration errors as it evolves.
11:04<adhawkins>Yeah, true enough I guess.
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12:12<RealHumanBeing>So I know that I'm supposed to talk in freenode turnkey for this, but freenode is painful to connect to for some reason and people were able to help me sort of on this yesterday.
12:12<RealHumanBeing>But they weren't able to fix it completely
12:12<RealHumanBeing>So I was wondering how to associate a SSID with a network interface
12:13<arto>RealHumanBeing: search net: wpa_suplicant configuration
12:17<fpat>the channel #debian-mentors is for packaging work only and #debian-bugs is about the bugtracker software. where can i go so that somebody explains in a bit more details how something debian related works?
12:18<arto>fpat: what exactly you want to know?
12:19<fpat>one example are the man pages. sometimes i come across pages that are written in english even tho my system language is german
12:19<fpat>how would somebody go about dealing with this
12:20<arto>fpat: not every, in your case man page, is translate to your page, you can help with that if you want
12:20<arto>your language*
12:21<jhutchins>fpat: Man pages are more of an upstream task than a Debian task.
12:22<jhutchins>fpat: While there's a standard template, writing the page is up to the individual project team.
12:22<fpat>the upstream joker card, yes
12:22<jhutchins>I have foudn man pages where the page is just the original template, no info.
12:23<fpat>good example. what do you do then?
12:23<jhutchins>Look for other documentation. Some would say read the source code. Other people just find something else to do the job or do without it.
12:24<fpat>the same words as 15 years ago?
12:24<jhutchins>The same words as old as the manpage format.
12:24<fpat>i always thought the debian developers want to create a universal operating system. what you say here is poor in my opinion
12:25<arto>fpat: the packages in Debian, I suppose quite few nowadays burns cd's or dvd's, but if it was, I think it would take many dozens dvds
12:25<fpat>when i came here i want to invest my time to make something a little bit better
12:25<jhutchins>It's just the way open source has always been. Debian is a volunteer effort, not a corporate product.
12:25<fpat>i dont think you understood that
12:25<jhutchins>fpat: Assisting in translation is an excellent way to do that.
12:26<fpat>forget it
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12:26<mnuhmnuh>fpat: you get what you pay for. it's free.
12:27<fpat>you just spend 85% of my time here by making me feel bad. i dont think you appreciate my time
12:27<arto>fpat: by telling, that you can do something
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12:28<fpat>what you "offer" now is what should have been the first step
12:28<fpat>but there you only cared about cleaning the responsibikities
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12:29<arto>fpat: we are all voluntrees here
12:29<arto>oh, I just missed
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12:33<RealHumanBeing>So the phrase you told me to search up only returns things I've done already like wpa_passphrase and manually editing configs.
12:34<arto>RealHumanBeing: SSID is in wpa_supplicant.conf
12:35<mister_sir>I'm trying to install a newer version of a package (KDEconnect) on Debian stretch. The version in the stretch repos is 1.0, but the testing repos appear to have 1.3, which is what I need. I'm getting conflicting information on if adding the testing repo is an awful idea or not, and how to do it best if I do. Thoughts / suggestions?
12:36<jhutchins>mister_sir: Yes, it's an awful idea.
12:36<RealHumanBeing>Yes I added it there but when I view all of my network devices it says there's no access point or ssid associated. Maybe this isn't actually the problem and I just setup my thing wrong from the start.
12:36<jhutchins>,v kdeconnect
12:36<judd>Package: kdeconnect on amd64 -- jessie: 0.7.2-1; stretch: 1.0.1-1+b2; buster: 1.3.1-1; sid: 1.3.1-1
12:36<mister_sir>jhutchins: expand? I'm curious why?
12:36<arto>RealHumanBeing: hard to say anything, I know only Debian
12:37<jhutchins>RealHumanBeing: That's a pretty big jump, I would expect that you'd have to compile it, along with other networking components, even if it would run on the older KDE.
12:37<arto>mister_sir: have you read article Don't break Debian?
12:37<mister_sir>nope... link? I'm happy to learn!
12:38<jhutchins>mister_sir: Mixing distros or releases often ends up pulling in dependencies that are incompatible with the rest of the system. You end up with no option but to do a clean install.
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12:39<jhutchins>Actually, buster is closer than I thougt, I was looking at jessie-stretch. You might be able to backport it.
12:40<jhutchins>mister_sir: Usually you backport from sid to stable, but you might be able to go to oldstable.
12:40<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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12:40<jhutchins>mister_sir: For something as basic as networking and as integrated as KDE you'd probably be better off upgrading the whole system to stretch.
12:41<mister_sir>jhutchins: I'm on stretch
12:42<jhutchins>Ok, a sid backport would be more likely to work then. Sorry for confusing the releases involved.
12:42<mister_sir>unless I'm misunderstanding something -- I'm not horribly familiar with all the tricks apt can do
12:42*jhutchins goes for more coffee.
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12:54<arto>mister_sir: can you say why you need newer KDEconnect?
12:55<mister_sir>the old version is quite limited, and doesn't support sending SMS from my PC, which is why I was looking to use it
12:55<arto>mister_sir: understood
12:56<mister_sir>so, why does dpkg say I need to enable debian-backports in step (2) if I'm building from sid's source?
12:56<mister_sir>* KDEconnect doesn't appear to be in backports, based on my searching...
12:56<arto>mister_sir: backports usually are from sid
12:58<mister_sir>so, there's a backports repo, right, as well as a sid src repo? If I'm understanding correctly...
12:58<arto>mister_sir: yes, they are two different
13:02<arto>mister_sir: and you were right, there is no kdeconnect in bpo
13:03<mister_sir>so, the suggested method is to add "deb-src sid main contrib non-free" to my sources; apt update; apt-get -b source kdeconnect; dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb ???
13:04<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
13:05<mister_sir>do I need to run a "aptitude -R build-dep kdeconnect"?
13:06<annadane>i don't see why -R is necessary
13:07<arto>mister_sir: I think kdeconnect is in main
13:07<arto>mister_sir: but that's just side note
13:07<arto>mister_sir: no need for contrid and non-free
13:07<mister_sir>* ah, vs contrib / nonfree
13:07<mister_sir>:) so yep
13:08<mister_sir>annadane: the -R came from messaging dpkg and reading through stuff on package recompiling :)
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13:12<annadane>-R is no install recommends which is prob. not what you want
13:12<mister_sir>yeah, took me a little man page reading :)
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13:14<mister_sir>so, when I run "apt-get -b source kdeconnect", what makes apt pull the sid source instead of the stretch source?
13:14<arto>mister_sir: you have to apt-get update first
13:14<arto>mister_sir: it probably is your only src line
13:15<mister_sir>I've got a few deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list -- not sure why
13:15<arto>mister_sir: remove or comment out others
13:16<mister_sir>yeah, I'm not really sure why they're there... I think I'm already well on my way to having a Franken-Debian
13:17<arto>mister_sir: you are downloading one, just one src, it's not Franken-Debian in my mind
13:17<arto>no binaries
13:20<mister_sir>I've messed around trying to build stuff from source, and already messed with my sources some before doing much googling, so things are probably a little weird. I know I messed something up with trying to install extra-cmake-modules, but I think I got it back up and running.
13:20<mister_sir>I figure I'll keep learning from my mistakes until the system is broken, then re-install with more wisdom
13:22<arto>mister_sir: if they were for strethc, I think you are fine
13:24<mister_sir>I'm getting errors that apt can't find kdeconnect:
13:24<mister_sir>though it's looking for version 1.0.1-1, not 1.3*
13:25<arto>mister_sir: did you do apt-get update?
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13:25<mister_sir>yup... I'll run it again, just to double-check
13:26<mister_sir>sid does show up on this list, as well
13:27<arto>mister_sir: ok, you have Franken-Debian
13:27<mister_sir>yeah :)
13:27<mister_sir>one ppa, plus spotify
13:27<arto>mister_sir: but try again, does it not find kdeconnect source?
13:27<Brigo>Franken-Debian level master
13:28<mister_sir>nope, same error:
13:28<arto>mister_sir: paste your sources.list
13:30<arto>mister_sir: there is no sid there...
13:30<mister_sir>plus here's everything under sources.list.d:
13:30<mister_sir>^ forgot about that
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13:38<arto>mister_sir: paste apt-get udpate
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13:44<arto>mister_sir: if you still can't get kdeconnect 1.3 source, it's time to read 'Don't Break Debian', install again wihtout 3rd part sources
13:45<arto>mister_sir: it happens sooner or later
13:46<mister_sir>Yep -- I figured it'd be a learning experience using Debian :)
13:46<mister_sir>What is the best way to install third-party software that's not in the repos?
13:46<arto>Franken-Debian does not work like Debian is supposede
13:46<mister_sir>e.g. spotify
13:46<RealHumanBeing>I give up, this problem is unfixable
13:47<mister_sir>RealHumanBeing: never unfixable, just sometimes not worth fixing
13:47<arto>mister_sir: don't know what say, perhaps wine
13:47<arto>mister_sir: if you really need spotify
13:48<RealHumanBeing>the problem is that it is worth fixing if it's possible
13:48<mister_sir>I suppose installing software from .deb files is less likely to break things?
13:49<RealHumanBeing>because otherwise I can't move my server out of the room I can't have it in anymore
13:49<arto>mister_sir: only if they are from Debian repos
13:49<mister_sir>RealHumanBeing: yeesh -- best of luck!
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13:50<mister_sir>arto: basically the issue come from mixing versions of dependencies and breaking upgrade paths, right?
13:50<arto>mister_sir: RealHumanBeing had not even Franken-Debian
13:50<arto>mister_sir: read tha 'Don't break Debian'
13:51<arto>mister_sir: there is no point for me to copy it here, good text
13:52<mister_sir>yep! I'm starting to make sense of it all!
13:52<mister_sir>thanks arto!
13:52<arto>mister_sir: you are welcome, we are all learning
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14:01<arto>spotify seems to have online-player
14:02<arto>it just does not support my browser (qupzilla)
14:08<mister_sir>The web player is actually pretty nice -- I always forget about it! My only complaint is that it doesn't play nice with my play/pause media keys, but I think I can live with that. (Avoiding "Shiny New Stuff Syndrome"!)
14:09<arto>mister_sir: fine, Debian may have older stuff, but it is tested, and works
14:10<mister_sir>yup, I appreciate a well-thought out system that just works
14:10<arto>mister_sir: and even stable Debian lets you remap keys, if that is the issue
14:12<mister_sir>I think it's a desktop environment thing -- I'm in Cinnamon right now, 'cause it plays nice with my hi-dpi display, but I think with a little fiddling I could make it work
14:13<arto>mister_sir: yes, I think you can
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14:38<Jamdat>Hi, I have an odd problem with javascript in my browser. I've been reading and I'm pretty sure I've created a franken-debian installation that might have caused it. The only way to repair is a clean install?
14:40<arto>Jamdat: basically yes, just helped other guy who had Franken-Debian, only way to fix was pure reinstall
14:40<Jamdat>hmm, ok.
14:40<Jamdat>I shall use this as learning experience
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14:41<arto>Jamdat: have you read
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14:42<arto>Jamdat: I guess that is the best you can make of it
14:42<Jamdat>Yeah, that's where I learned about franken-debians :)
14:43<arto>Jamdat: so you know now
14:43<Jamdat>still pretty new, so I don't mind having a bit of a rocky start
14:44<arto>Jamdat: just install again, and don't add 3rd party repositiries
14:45<Jamdat>arto, can you visit a link for me to just make sure it is me and not the site?
14:45<arto>Jamdat: sure, give the link
14:45<Jamdat>I can select the length but not the colour
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14:47<Jamdat>I tried with firefox and chromium.
14:48<peter1138>If you're choosing 30cm, that doesn't let you pick colour.
14:48<arto>Jamdat: no problems, I could change both
14:48<Jamdat>hm, ok.
14:48<Jamdat>Well thank you
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14:48<Jamdat>I'm off to reinstall then
14:49<arto>Jamdat:oh, that is same for me, I guess they dont have 30 cm in other color
14:49<Jamdat>Yeah, but I can't select the colour in any length
14:49<Jamdat>it highlight, but I can't click it.
14:49<arto>Jamdat: i'll try, wait a sec
14:50<Jamdat>I must have screwed something up somewhere with an installation
14:51<arto>Jamdat: if I choose 30 cm, I cant select colour, other lengths were ok
14:51<Jamdat>ok, that's what it should do. Thanks for taking the time to check.
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14:52<arto>Jamdat: there may be something wrong in that page too,
14:53<arto>Jamdat: seems I can change colour, but it keeps sayin 'please choose colour'
14:54<arto>based on that, I would not be too hasty, can you paste your /etc/sources.list ?
14:55<arto>sorry, /etc/apt/sources.list
14:57<grummund>Is package log2mail dropped? Even so, shouldn't it show up on ?
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14:58<arto>grummund: can't find log2mail
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14:59<arto> has showd also orphaned packages
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15:00<arto>Jamdat: there was sid, and wine, otherwise ok, comment those out and knock on wood
15:01<arto>Jamdat: wine is also Debian package
15:01<arto>Jamdat: and there is
15:01<Jamdat>I tried installing wine and it complained that wine32 was not installed
15:02<Jamdat>so I looked up on the winehq site and followed their directions
15:02<arto>Jamdat: it should say what you need to do
15:02<Jamdat>still didn't work
15:02<nicolas17>you need i386 multiarch debian repo to get wine
15:03<arto>Jamdat: if you use Debian, better ask here
15:03<arto>Jamdat: or Debian user forums. or Debian mailing list
15:05<arto>Jamdat: wine works for me on amd64 architecture, after enabling multiarch like nicolas17 said
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15:07<Jamdat>learning a lot from you guys
15:07<arto>Jamdat: that's why we are here
15:07<Jamdat>what I might do is start from scratch anyway and see where I end up
15:07<arto>Jamdat: to ask and learn
15:07<Jamdat>I'll ask about wine if it doesn't work again
15:08<arto>Jamda: sounds like a good plan
15:08<Jamdat>thanks again for your time arto
15:08<Jamdat>and the others that chimed in
15:08<arto>Jamdat: you are welcome!
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17:19<grummund> only searches far back as wheezy?
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17:21<Brigo>grummund, try
17:23<grummund>Brigo: thanks!
17:23<Brigo>grummund, np
17:23<grummund>^ that is what i was after.
17:25<grummund>would it be better to rebuild from source?
17:26<Brigo>grummund, i don't know. what are you using?
17:26<Brigo>,v log2mail
17:26<judd>No package named 'log2mail' was found in amd64.
17:27<grummund>seems it was dropped some time ago, although i can't find out much about that.
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17:32<judd>Bug in (closed): «RM: log2mail -- RoQA; orphaned, dead upstream, low popcon»; severity: normal; opened: 2011-04-18; last modified: 2011-05-18.
17:33<grummund>removed 7 years ago. "Replacements exist" apparently, but i didn't see any.
17:34<Brigo> last relase 2001.
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17:36<grummund>there is a more recent version on github, but tbh i would be happier installing the debian package from source
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17:40<grummund>is it okay to add to sources.list to get the source package?
17:42<Brigo>grummund, you can try, i don't know if it will compile, it is so old ...
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18:40<jhutchins>grummund: What is your actual goal?
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18:41<grummund>jhutchins: to monitor a web access log and send email when a pattern matches, with the simplest of configuration needed.
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18:56<grummund>it does appear that dpkg -i log2mail_0.3.0-2.1_amd64.deb has worked without a hitch.
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19:23<eti>hello. i've been looking for a way to downgrade all of the packages i have installed from sid back down to buster. is there any way on how i can do this?
19:24<eti>truth is that i installed gimp from sid and it pulled a few packages with it and i messed up my install.
19:26<Brigo>eti, the old packages are lost.
19:26<Brigo>They are no more in testing so you can't install them again.
19:27<Brigo>ah, sorry, i missread, you install from sid.
19:27<Brigo>then uninstall them an install the testings one
19:27<Brigo>,v gimp
19:27<judd>Package: gimp on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.2-2+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.8.2-2+deb7u3; jessie: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; jessie-security: 2.8.14-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.8.18-1+deb9u1; buster: 2.8.22-1; sid: 2.10.2-1
19:28<Brigo>maybe apt install gimp -t buster will do the trick
19:30<eti>the thing is that tons of packages were broken
19:30<eti>i honestly have no idea where i did something wrong
19:30<eti>let me try and reinstall gimp from buster
19:31<eti> alright so i can't install build-essentials either too
19:33<Brigo>eti, this things use to happen in testing, and more if you mix unstasble. For you information, there is a channel for testing and unstable: #debian-next.
19:34<eti>is there a way i can get a list of the packages i installed from unstable?
19:34<eti>i mean, maybe that would fix it?
19:37<Brigo>there should be, i can't think of a way now.
19:37<Brigo>i should be in bed :)
19:39<eti>right. no problem
19:39<eti>well thanks for the help anyway, cheers mate
19:39<Brigo>eti, bye
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19:52<eti>alright i'll just reinstall everything i guess. that'll teach me not to mess with unstable lol
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21:11<drakonis>aptitude reinstall '~i'
21:11<drakonis>i think
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21:13<luisfcc86>sorry for jumping on matter being discussed... but "aptitude reinstall '~i'" for...?
21:13<drakonis>reinstall all installed packages
21:16<luisfcc86>doesn't "aptitute reinstall *" work?
21:22<luisfcc86>well, i would use "apt install --reinstall $(dpkg --get-selections | grep -w 'install$' | cut -f1)" for that
21:23<luisfcc86>cumbersome, i know... but does the job
21:23<eti>done reinstalling the system haha
21:24<eti>thanks for the other answers anyway
21:24<luisfcc86>eti: easiest way to do the job, for sure
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23:14<keycollector>Is there a way to make a logical volume auto-grow when it starts to become full?
23:15<luisfcc86>lvm volume? or logical partition?
23:17<keycollector>lvm volume
23:22<luisfcc86> - enjoy your reading
23:27<keycollector>These all require manual intervention to expand the logical volumes. I was hoping to set /home to 50
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23:27<keycollector>and letting it auto grow into freespace, if thats a option
23:28<keycollector>Unless i missed it in the reading, it all looked like manual intervention for growing the size of the volumes.
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