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00:48<xxzz>anyone tried suricata on multiple ifaces
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00:55<nezZario>Hey guys. I run a moderately sized setup of 25-45 servers (depending on scaling). How crazy would it be to just run my own apt repo and effectively have... I don't want to call it a fork of Debian... But I guess that's technically what it would be...
00:56<francis>nezZario: depends I guess
00:57<francis>what would be the benefits? and at what cost? if it makes your life easier in some way...
01:01<nezZario>Well, tbh my first thought was to leverage an apt proxy... And that might still be in the cards... Maybe even write my own... And be able to provide pkg alternatives on the fly... But basically just be able to provide a handful of custom packages and use apt to keep them updated... Provide newer versions on a handful of packages and provide custom compiled/slightly modified versions of certain packages....
01:02<nezZario>I do know maintaining pinning can be painful
01:02<themill>apt-cacher-ng as a caching proxy and then an extra apt repo with your own stuff + pinning is easy enough to do
01:03<themill>/etc/apt.conf.d/ and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ makes deploying it trivial too
01:03<nezZario>I don't think I've come across that particular one - I'll take a look
01:04<themill>alternatively you use something like aptly to import new packages (like security updates), publish them to a staging server for testing then publish them to the rest of the farm
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01:05<themill>the disadvantage is that you need to import *every* package or spend the time enumerating every package that should be imported.
01:06<francis>yep. and since it's servers your talking about, what's the point of duplicating all the various X/GTK/Qt etc. packages if they'll never be installed
01:06<francis>that aplies to other kinds of packages, too. themill's right about apt-cacher-ng being a good middle ground
01:07<francis>you're*, even
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01:07<themill>it's only disk space which is cheaper than your time
01:08<themill>so if a staging setup is attractive, just do that
01:09<francis>themill: is aptly fairly new?
01:09<francis>not heard of it before, will have to give it a try
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01:11<themill>yeah, reasonably new. Its documentation is pretty cumbersome but I've found it pretty easy to drive
01:11<francis>aha
01:11<themill>It's one of those things where you end up with ludicrously long commands each time... I got sick of those essays pretty fast and so have shell wrappers around the standard bits I need
01:12<themill>,i aptly
01:12<judd>Package aptly (utils, extra) in stretch/amd64: Swiss army knife for Debian repository management. Version: 0.9.7-1+b1; Size: 2568.9k; Installed: 10027k; Homepage: http://www.aptly.info
01:12<themill>its concept of snapshots, merging snapshots and publishing is particularly handy for that sort of staging use
01:14<francis>easily fixed with shell scripts or aliases/functions as you say
01:14<nezZario>I hate to sound crazy but what I imagined as ideal is something I could add some repos to, then I could add specific rules for whatever packages (so, pull nginx from xyz repo... Else pull from abc)...
01:15<francis>does look like it could save me some time. glad I looked at this win when I did!
01:15<themill>that's more or less what you can do with aptly or you do that with pinning on each host
01:15*francis nods
01:15<nezZario>And it just pull what it needs on demand (as a proxy would)
01:15<xxzz>isn't there a repo priority provision or similar
01:15<jm_>there is
01:16<xxzz>using cache on one server as a local repo may work
01:16<nezZario>Yeah but it would just personally be easier for me to control at the apt repo itself than having to push out text file changes to dozens of servers.
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01:17<nezZario>That's what I'm getting at.... I do not think it would be worth it so put a ton of work into it but if something like what I'm describing can be put together relatively easy it seems possibly worth it
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01:17<xxzz>that is much easier
01:18<xxzz>deb file:/my/fancy/repo
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01:21<nezZario>I'll see what I can figure out with aptly and/or apt-cacher-ng
01:21<nezZario>Thanks guys
01:21<themill>if pushing out a text file to the servers is hard then that's something to fix too
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05:59<adhawkins>Anyone got any experience of a C++ HTTP library that supports OAuth2 and is packaged for Debian?
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06:24<adhawkins>I should perhaps clarify that it's an HTTP client library I need...
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08:51<xxzz>hi, is there a grand list for all repositories
08:52<alexfoo>Hello, I'm trying to install a package with the suggested "extra packages" using --install-suggests and I'm experiencing some weirdness. Paste: https://2969321e5c4456be.paste.se/#37 . Is this a bug and if so, what package should I report it to?
08:55<xxzz>fark I am going to get another crash
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09:20<grove>alexfoo: Support for buster is in #debian-next
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09:38<alexfoo>grove: thanks! i'll try over there
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11:36<KamiNuvini>Hi, I have a question regarding the recent systemd security bugs: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2018-16864 - is it required to reboot the server after updating systemd?
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11:58<petn-randall>KamiNuvini: I don't think so, as journald can simply be restarted for this.
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12:04<KamiNuvini>petn-randall: cheers!
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12:09<peter1138>If it really is just journald, then "service restart systemd-journald" should do?
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12:12<dtw>systemctl restart systemd-journald
12:12<dtw>(But I don't know about his security issue.)
12:16<peter1138>Local root exploit, worth keeping up to date ;)
12:25<petn-randall>Well, local root exploit needing to crash and auto-restart journald for ~60h, so not so subtle.
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13:06<iovec>petn-randall: 70 minutes, not 60 hours (and only on amd64, it's 10 minutes on i386)
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13:07<iovec>and depending on if someone is using an older version of systemd in strech < 232, crashing it will also lead to them losing all log streams (the fix to restore FDs when Restart= is defined and the process crashes only made it in 232).
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13:09<iovec>so a nice bonus to cover traces after getting a shell =)
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13:20<grove>I've updated, but having checked this detail, but I would assume the update process restarts journald in this case
13:21<grove>s/but having/but have not/
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14:20<Tjips>Anyone?
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14:32<dtw>Tjips: Become root and use chown command to change the ownership of your files. Or maybe we need to know what is the filesystem on your extra HDs.
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14:34<SagnikS>Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Debian buster/sid • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-6100 CPU @ 3.70GHz (800MHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.0 GiB Total (11.2 GiB Free) Swap: 3.6 GiB Total (3.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 716.4 GB / 2.9 TB (2.2 TB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 530 @ Intel Corporation Skylake Host Bridge/DRAM Registers • Uptime: 3h 8m 19s
14:34<Tjips>2 are ntfs and 1 is ext4. I've added the uid and gid options to 1 of their /etc/fstab entries. Let's see if it works...
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14:38<dtw>Tjips: The ext4 partition is not magic. You just use normal chown and chmod commands. Other filesystem may be different. I don't know about ntfs.
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14:53<redentor>i want to install only debian (no other OS). Do i still need EFI ?
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15:16<redentor>nevermind
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15:56<dragon12>hello
15:56<dragon12>i've problem with configuring znc
15:56<dragon12>Unable to locate pem file: /etc/letsencrypt/live/autisticstory.net/fullchain.pe
15:56<dragon12>can anyone help me?
15:57<bremner>dragon12: looks like a type
15:57<bremner>typo
15:57<bremner>should be .pem
15:58<dragon12>sorry wrong paste
15:58<dragon12>Unable to locate pem file: /etc/letsencrypt/live/autisticstory.net/fullchain.pem
15:58<bremner>Is the file there?
15:58<dragon12>znc service is unable to locate etc/letsencrypt/live/autisticstory.net/fullchain.pe
15:58<dragon12>yes
15:58<dragon12>meh... i mean znc service is unable to locate /etc/letsencrypt/live/autisticstory.net/fullchain.pem
15:58<bremner>and accessible by the user running znc?
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15:59<dragon12>probably no
15:59<dragon12>how can i make it accessible for znc user?
16:00<bremner>well, generally speaking unix permissions. But I'd check the certbot wiki or equivalent for a recommended solution
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16:30<mnuhmnuh>dragon12: also see "apt-file search fullchain" - mentions python-certbot and python3-certbot.
16:32<bremner>well yeah. that's what's running. But how to make it co-operate with other daemons is not completely clear.
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17:03<chamarin>hi there
17:04<dragon12>hey chamarin
17:06<chamarin>first time on IRC
17:06<chamarin>it's a bit confusing for newbs
17:06<dragon12>chamarin, you're welcome
17:06<chamarin>thx mate
17:06<dragon12>mnuhmnuh, http://paste.asie.pl/gxn9
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17:13<itd>dragon12: result of "namei -l /etc/letsencrypt/live/autisticstory.net/fullchain.pem"? which user run znc?
17:13<petn-randall>iovec: Oh indeed! Looking at the original full disclosure, I don't know where I got 60h from.
17:16<dragon12>itd, http://paste.asie.pl/YBgT
17:18<itd>dragon12: look at the permissions for live (/etc/letsencrypt/live) and archive (/etc/letsencrypt/archive). you might want to update them.
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17:48<chamarin>hello I have a question, I installed the IDE cakephp on Debian, but I don't find anyway to launch it
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17:52<itd>chamarin: 'cakephp' seems to be a PHP framework, not an IDE.
17:54<chamarin>framework and IDE aren't the same thing??
17:55<itd>no. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_framework https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_development_environment
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18:02<chamarin>ok thanks
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18:04<itd>no problem :)
18:06<chamarin>:)
18:06<chamarin>@itd
18:06<chamarin>how do you answer someone and make the text appear orange ?
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18:17<itd>chamarin: for irc? start your message with their nick / mention the nick in it. (the highlight is not always orange. depends on the client.)
18:17<chamarin>itd like this ?
18:21<itd>chamarin: yes, like that. :) since you said it's your first time: https://web.archive.org/web/20160305093459/http://irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html
18:27<chamarin>itd: nice thanks I will read the doc then :)
18:27<chamarin>ciao
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19:47<kay_ntsc>After starting up my PC, gnome-terminal refuses to open after about 5 minutes of uptime. (GNOME 3.22, Debian stretch)
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20:25<markvandenborre>I have a machine on which I quickly went through the apt-listchanges feedback
20:25<markvandenborre>too quickly it turns out
20:25<markvandenborre>is there a place this gets logged?
20:26<markvandenborre>I know it was from an experiment upgrading part of an experimental system from stable to buster
20:27<markvandenborre>apt install cups* -t buster basicly, on a system with stable pinned at a higher priority than testing
20:27<markvandenborre>I could of course set up a new vm and run the process again in that one, but I figured there must be a smarter way..
20:28<markvandenborre>can I grep somewhere for a word, or look on the debian website
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20:28<markvandenborre>at changelogs where I can find the keyword I remember from it
20:30<markvandenborre>I know it had something to do with airprint...
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20:37<mnuhmnuh>markvandenborre: /var/log/apt/history ?
20:38<mnuhmnuh>markvandenborre: /var/log/apt/history.log ?
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22:46<twb>Dumb question I'm too lazy to just test myself: "apt install webext-foo" Just Works to enable foo for all firefox-esr users. Does it also Just Work for chromium?
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