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03:42<nardev>Hi, i made clean install of stretch with xfce, and followed wiki guidelines for nvidia drivers here: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_9_.22Stretch.22
03:42<nardev>Unfortunately, nvidia doesn't load, if i create xorg.conf with nvidia-xconf i get this: https://gist.github.com/nardev/8748b64a84d3a5a082cc770fcde128e0
03:42<nardev>Any idea? What could be the issue, i also tried with kernel modules from backports. same issue.
03:42<jm_>is this a laptop with optimus?
03:43<jm_>lines 25 and 26 appear to suggest that
03:43<nardev>well, it's old thinkpad
03:43<nardev>@jm_,
03:43<nardev>if you have any tip what to try, pls
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03:44<jm_>nardev: try https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
03:44<nardev>@jm_, ok...
03:45<nardev>i was using stable for past 2 years, i forgot how complicated this can be with nvidia
03:45<nardev>i didn't need to make any changes in 2 years :(
03:45<jm_>pure nvidia is pretty uncomplicated
03:46<nardev>i should definitely get new hardware, and before i also had some stupid issues
03:46<nardev>i don't remember this "Using Bumblebee, you can use your NVIDIA card for rendering graphics which will be displayed using the Intel card."
03:46<nardev>ever before, is that something new
03:46<nardev>or it was always like that
03:46<nardev>?
03:47<jm_>it's common on laptops with optimus for a while now
03:48<nardev>@jm_, thnx. Btw is is something better than i had before or just a compromise
03:48<nardev>in order to work at all
03:48<nardev>?
03:49<jm_>nardev: the idea is to use lower power graphics for simple tasks, and faster one needing more power one when you need extra speed
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03:50<nardev>@jm_, thank you
03:50<jm_>no problem
03:50<nardev>@jm_, the MAIN reason i was always installin nvidia drivers is because default intel shit was making some "blinking lines" on monitor
03:51<nardev>that is why i was avoiding it.. other than that i don't need graphics more than browser/youtube
03:51<jm_>and it doesn't work if you don't install nvidia driver at all?
03:53<nardev>in past few years it was always like that..
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03:53<nardev>after nvidia drivers, the picture on all monitors was clean and stable
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03:55<jm_>that sounds like old setup without optimus to me
03:55<jm_>I wanted to ask if things work OK on the current laptop if you don't install nvidia drivers at all
03:57<nardev>video output works but flickering th image on external monitors is still there
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03:57<nardev>yes this is older laptop
03:57<jm_>bummer
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05:00<sim590>When my screen goes blank (energy saving mode), moving the mouse doesn't make the screen turn on again. I have to go into some TTY console window (CTRL+ALT+F2 for e.g.) and make my way back to the X console.
05:01<sim590>What package could responsible for this? linux-image ?
05:01<sim590>Or is it xserver-xorg?
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06:00<markvandenborre>sim590: wasn't there also wayland in the game?
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06:35<sim590>markvandenborre: the only wayland packages I have are those: http://paste.debian.net/1061691/. I think it's not actually installed. Only wayland libs.
06:37<jm_>back in the old days X server would handle blanking, but nowadays I am not sure
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09:12<raboof>I'm on a network that uses 172.21.0.0/16, but somehow my machine directs connections to that IP to localhost. I don't understand why though: 'route -n' properly shows a route to the wlan0 interface, nothing related in /etc/hosts . Any other places to look?
09:13<duclicsic>to what IP? you've only listed the network address/mask there
09:13<duclicsic>also start using iproute2 tools for this sort of thing, e.g. 'ip route list'
09:13<duclicsic>(can be shortened to 'ip r')
09:14<duclicsic>route/ifconfig etc are deprecated
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09:16<raboof>duclicsic: 172.21.0.1 for example
09:17<duclicsic>so if you ping that address your machine sends the packets via your lo interface?
09:18<raboof>'ip r' also lists routes to wlan0 though
09:18<duclicsic>can you pastebin the output of 'ip r'
09:18<duclicsic>'ip a' would also be useful
09:19<duclicsic>and i'm not saying the 'route' command will give incorrect results, it's just antiquated and some of the tools from that suite may on occasion give confusing info
09:20<duclicsic>also, how is it that you determined that these packets are being sent to localhost?
09:20<raboof>ah 'ip a' indeed shows 'br-xxx' networks with those ranges (ip r -> https://pastebin.com/AYc6D52x, ip a -> https://pastebin.com/DQ8Bifdd)
09:21<bremner>would be nice if "ip -6 -4 r" worked
09:21<raboof>duclicsic: I determined it by seeing my own nginx instead of the network login site, both in firefox and with curl ;)
09:22<duclicsic>raboof: yeah you've got some mad docker stuff going on there and loads of interfaces claiming that whole /16
09:22<raboof>probably leftovers from past experiments. How would I best get rid of them?
09:22<duclicsic>if you're not using docker i'd remove it for starters
09:22<raboof>I do use it regularly ;)
09:22<duclicsic>i wonder if it made any weird policy routes too
09:23<duclicsic>check 'ip rule'
09:23<duclicsic>hmm.. though now i see those interfaces are all DOWN
09:23<duclicsic>and your routing table looks ok
09:25<raboof>yeah and anyway it is weird they would point to localhost instead of to some container. but still likely related good to clean them up regardless I guess
09:25<duclicsic>yeah I can't exactly explain what's going on there
09:25<duclicsic>did you check 'ip rule' ?
09:25<duclicsic>there could be other routing tables at work
09:26<raboof>https://pastebin.com/9GJmGcS5 - not sure if that looks normal, but not as weird as 'ip a' at least
09:26<duclicsic>yeah that's default
09:26<duclicsic>nothing odd there
09:28<raboof>'ip link del' all those br- interfaces?
09:29<duclicsic>start with br-9d685ffd4abe since that's the one with the confict
09:30<raboof>that seems to make the immediate problem go away at least
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09:30<duclicsic>still a bit confused as to what was going on there
09:39<raboof>yeah weird.. thanks for the pointers anyhow :D
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11:23<huehner>Hello. i am also hit by https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=918475 (mercurial/openssl), which the maintainer couldn't reproduce yet, any tips on how to debug that?
11:24<huehner>i am getting apparently same error already trying on openssl cmdline without using mercurial/python: openssl s_client -connect api.media.atlassian.com:443
11:24<huehner>140568092435520:error:14094410:SSL routines:ssl3_read_bytes:sslv3 alert handshake failure:../ssl/record/rec_layer_s3.c:1528:SSL alert number 40
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11:48<rwp>huehner, That openssl works okay for me, on Stretch and Sid/Buster. What Debian suite is your system running? Is it up to date?
11:49<rwp>huehner, Works without ssl error on Debian Jessie as well.
11:50<huehner>rwp: uptodate sid, (openssl 1.1.1a-1)
11:52<rwp>huehner, I take it back. The Sid box I tested on was not updated. Sorry. On fully updated Sid it fails.
11:52<huehner>rwp: did a quick test... commenting out last 2 lines from system /etc/ssl/openssl.conf makes it work
11:53<huehner>rwp: minProtocol TLSv1.2 makes it fails 1.1 or lower works
11:53<rwp>Ah... So likely in between 1.1.0j-1~deb9u1 and 1.1.1a-1 they bumped the minimum protocol beyond what api.media.atlassian.com:443 supports.
11:54<huehner>rwp: note i know that atlassian bumped min requirements to TLSv1.2 recently (1-2 ago)
11:55<rwp>You could do a search through the openssl packages and determine which one made what changes. https://snapshot.debian.org/package/openssl/
11:56<rwp>Likely api.media.atlassian.com:443 is running TLSv1.1 based upon your observation.
11:57<rwp>Hmm... My connection that works says: TLSv1.2, Cipher is ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256
11:57<huehner>rwp: i ran it via ssllabs.com/ssltest and there is says 1.0 .. 1.2 but now sure if they don't to fancy stuff behind the back
11:58<huehner>rwp: also strange lowering MinTlsVersion to make error go away, but checking s_client -> it still does TLSv1.2 as you have also
11:58<rwp>Well... It says TLSv1.2 so minProtocol TLSv1.2 should work, right? Could it be a cipher suite was dropped?
11:58<huehner>rwp: so maybe more handshake, interop issue maybe
11:59<rwp>I suggest installing an older openssl package from snapshot and doing a binary search through to determine exactly which package version is breaking. That would reduce the scope of the issue.
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11:59<huehner>will try that to try to narrow it down
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11:59<rwp>Anyone running on Sid quickly becomes a good friend with working with snapshot.debian.org. :-)
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12:00<rwp>Also the designated Sid/Buster support is in OFTC #debian-next channel. People here are mostly running Stable to avoid these types of issues. But over in #debian-next that is the daily use suite.
12:00<huehner>rwp: have to admit only need it 1-2 times a year
12:01<huehner>rwp: for the channel yes... noticed the motd to late... will move our discussion over there
12:01<rwp>No problem! Just trying to help. :-)
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12:02<petn-randall>TlS v1.1 only deprecated cipher suites, it does not add any. So 1.1 is a subset of 1.0.
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12:02<petn-randall>I'd also argue that blocking HTTPS with 1.1 or lower is the correct behaviour here, though it should be easier to override this behaviour by the user.
12:03<huehner>petn-randall: i think there was quite some discussion around that config change in sid+openssl 1.1 back then
12:04<rwp>petn-randall, I don't understand "blocking HTTPS" with 1.1 as reducing to 1.1 allows it to work, unblocking it. ??
12:04<huehner>rwp: i assume he means, blocking access to old servers only supporting pre TLSv1.2
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12:07<petn-randall>yes, this ^^^
12:08<petn-randall>TlSv1.0 and 1.1 are not considered secure anymore, and since it's at the very beginning of the buster release cycle, it's better to block it early, instead of a year or so after release.
12:08<petn-randall>Note this only applies to *HTTPS*. There are still protocols out there that rely on voluntary encryption and use ancient cipher suites. *cough*SMTP*cough*
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17:04<rwp>Thanks for the clarification petn-randall. Sorry IRL I was interupted until now.
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17:58<pseudo_flame>Hi, I do have a problem with gnome after upgrading from debian jessie to stretch. After hibernate the screen stays black (sound still working, but cannot switch via alt+f*). Suspending and resume works and screens turns on, however the screen is flickering and has mouse glitches. I am running on a lenovo x230 tablet. The syslog contains a lot tracebacks like /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[1471]: (EE) BUG: triggered 'if (in_input_thread())' I
17:58<pseudo_flame>ne able to help me? I have uploaded my syslog (contains boot, hibernate, resume, suspend, resume) to https://pastebin.com/TVw3RyQT
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18:30<pseudo_flame>Is anyone able to help on the above question?
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22:26<fdar>Hello, I'm trying to do a debian re-install, using the iso debian-9.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso flashed to a USB drive. It boots fine, but then the install process gets hung up on trying to mount a CD-ROM (I have no CD-ROM drive) and fails. I'm guessing there should be a way to point the installer to the USB drive?
22:27<fdar>The USB drive is mounted as part of the boot process, so perhaps I can just direct the installer to the correct subdirectory?
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