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04:51<rybka>howdoyoudo!
04:52<rybka>do not work right click on touchpad syna2b33:00 06cb:8251
04:52<rybka>what to do?
04:53<rybka>driver?
04:53<phos>first guess yes
04:53<phos>or settings
04:54<rybka>bad emotion:-)
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04:56<rybka>left-handed change to strange behavior...
04:59<rybka>phos in other words i'm on myself with recently hardware under debian?:-(
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05:00<phos>rybka: how new is it?
05:00<phos>what computer?
05:01<phos>rybka: well, yes. Debian is not known for its bleeding edge stuff - that is kind of why we use it -> stability ;)
05:01<rybka>lenovo ideapad 520-15ib
05:02<rybka>lenovo ideapad 520-15ikb
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05:04<rybka>phos, thanks i'll be first to feat debian drivers to that hardware, i love to be the first;-)
05:05<rybka>it's my passion=)
05:05<phos>checked on the problem looks like you are not the only one :(
05:09<rybka>phos i can help devs in role q&a
05:10<rybka>or can be dev myself=)
05:11<rybka>i have bt mouse to solve this problem:-)
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05:14<rybka>to play action game touchpad in useless anyway
05:14<rybka>so i have wireless mice)
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05:19<phos>ok
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05:40<rybka>change 40 hryvnya to 1 pound, i collect paper's banknots!
05:41<rybka>hryvnyans
05:42<rybka>who can mail its to me?
05:44<markvandenborre>rybka: wrong channel
05:44<rybka>markvandenborre, what are suggested?
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05:45<rybka>make this channel wrong? i can=)
05:45<rybka>internet et el
05:46<rybka>local shut down:-)
05:46<rybka>it's called:-)
05:47<rybka>sun ?
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05:56<petn-randall>rybka: Do you have a Debian support question?
05:56<petn-randall>rybka: This isn't a channel for general chat, this is a Debian support channel. There are better places for chatting:
05:56<petn-randall>!chat
05:56<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
05:58<rybka>petn-randall, i do not understand: what is a chat?
05:58<rybka>typing?
05:58<rybka>i can type here=)
05:59<petn-randall>rybka: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversation
05:59<petn-randall>Click on your native language in the left bar.
06:00<petn-randall>rybka: The topic of this channel is to support Debian users. Other topics are not welcome here as there are better channels for that. See the above factoid for a list of those channels.
06:00<rybka> в то время как письменный обмен сообщениями обычно разговором не считают. =)
06:01<rybka>translate and get it in the ends of the ends!!!
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06:02<petn-randall>rybka: Come back if you have an actual support question.
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07:30<EmleyMoor>I have some .flac files on my system that keep losing their ownership and permissions - all going to ?????????... why would this happen?
07:32<TobiX>EmleyMoor: Sounds like a broken file system
07:32<EmleyMoor>TobiX: Sounds like but does not obviously appear to be...
07:33<EmleyMoor>Same files affected, every time.
07:33<EmleyMoor>If necessary I'll blat and remake the fs, see if it help
07:33<EmleyMoor>s
07:33<TobiX>What kind of storage? What file system?
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07:35<jm_>something like kernel audit or bcc shall help find what changes it
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07:37<EmleyMoor>TobiX: LVM on RAID 6, ext4
07:45<TobiX>EmleyMoor: No clue. I would suiggest running a filesystem check
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07:49<jm_>ahh I completely misunderstood, sorry - yeah fsck or perhaps inspect stuff with debugfs
07:51<EmleyMoor>TobiX: Filesystem always checks OK
07:55<jm_>what does stat show for the files?
07:55<EmleyMoor>Er... undeterminable now
07:56<jm_>if files are OK now, save the output and compare it when you get it again
07:56<EmleyMoor>Filese are non-existent now
07:56<EmleyMoor>Files *
07:56<EmleyMoor>Once OK I will do that
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10:43<jmatos>Is there a good alternative to the old "rescue" flavor of Debian Live, to keep on hand during data migration stunts?
10:46<jmatos>Preferably one that can boot from an ISO file on a hdd partition, since I don't have external media to spare right now
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16:52<Raiu>Hi, do you know of a script or app that can monitor dir for new files and change permissions if found?
16:54<mnuhmnuh>Raiu: that'd be fairly easy to do with shell/perl/python/... plus cron.
16:57<sarnold>Raiu: incron package
16:57<sarnold>Raiu: I strongly recommend against automatically changing permissions
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17:04<Raiu>the files i want to change auto are media files
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17:05<Raiu>my plan was to use something more elegant than cron,
17:06<Raiu>since im pretty weak with shell scripts
17:08<mnuhmnuh>so, opportunity to strengthen your shell scripting foo?
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17:09<itd>what's wrong with incron?
17:09<Ganneff>use incron or iwatch depending on the complexity you want. (incron for the described case, i think)
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17:16<mnuhmnuh>sarnold: auto-remove execute priv. might be a good thing.
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17:32<Raiu>incron seems like a good start
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17:49<rant>Raiu: inotify is a kernel interface specifically for monitoring filesystem changes iirc
17:53<rant>no need to run via cron, it is hooked into the kernel
17:53<rant>,i inotify-tools
17:53<judd>Package inotify-tools (misc, optional) in stretch/amd64: command-line programs providing a simple interface to inotify. Version: 3.14-2; Size: 24.4k; Installed: 75k; Homepage: https://github.com/rvoicilas/inotify-tools/wiki/
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17:53<sarnold>mnuhmnuh: best to figure out why execute privs are set. that doesn't just happen.
17:54<rant>you just run inotifywait and it recieves events from the kernel when there are changes to the path you specify
17:55<blast007>sarnold: might be copied from a FAT filesystem
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17:56*mnuhmnuh zactly.
17:56<sarnold>blast007: ahh, that makes some sense
17:56<sarnold>I haven't used FAT in ~20 years..
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17:58<blast007>though, at least with the default automount in Gnome (which includes fmask=0022), it doesn't seem like everything shows up as executable
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20:49<cyberoptiq>Anyone available?
20:50<bremner>!ask
20:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
20:51<cyberoptiq>need help trying to figure out from lspci what wifi adapter I have....output makes no sense....
20:51<bremner>put the output on paste.debian.net?
20:52<cyberoptiq>here it is: paste.debian.net/1063399
20:53<sarnold>03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] (rev 34)
20:54<cyberoptiq>geezus...right there plain and simple...I had never encountered that type of wifi adapter before....now to get it working...
20:55<cyberoptiq>thank you gentlemen....
20:57<sarnold>I think iwlwifi is the module for my centrino
20:59<cyberoptiq>I don't get why laptop won't connect via wifi but yet wifi is working.....
20:59<cyberoptiq>checked via rfkill and nothing is blocked....
20:59<mnuhmnuh>define "working". firmware-iwlwifi installed?
21:00<cyberoptiq>not sure if it is but wifi light is on....
21:01<mnuhmnuh>journalctl -b
21:02<cyberoptiq>what am I looking for there?? (list is quite long)
21:02<mnuhmnuh>"light" may just mean powered up.
21:03<cyberoptiq>powered up but not transmitting you mean??
21:03<mnuhmnuh>shift G will take you to the end, /blah will search for "blah"
21:03<cyberoptiq>gotcha
21:05<mnuhmnuh>you using /etc/network/interfaces or network-manager?
21:05<cyberoptiq>NetworkManager
21:05<cyberoptiq>found this in the journal: Jan 29 19:45:34 debian kernel: iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode failed with error -2
21:06<mnuhmnuh>cr*p.
21:06<cyberoptiq>exactly my feeling...hehehehehe....
21:06<rant>mnuhmnuh: is firware-iwlwifi installed?
21:06<mnuhmnuh>uname -a
21:07<cyberoptiq>Linux debian 4.9.0-3-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u5 (2017-09-19) i686 GNU/Linux
21:07<mnuhmnuh>rant: cyberoptiq is doing it, not moi.
21:07<rant>right well I see you asked that already :P
21:07<rant>and it was not answered
21:08<rant>dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi
21:08<dpkg>No packages found matching firmware-iwlwifi
21:08<rant>dpkg: not you silly :P
21:08<dpkg>rant: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
21:08<cyberoptiq>new install on an IBM Thinkpad X230
21:08*rant swaps touchpads with cyberoptiq
21:08<cyberoptiq>hate touchpads....
21:09<cyberoptiq>dumbest invention IMO
21:09<rant>yeah well you'll hate em even more using mine :P
21:09*rant is on a Lenovo x240
21:09<cyberoptiq>laptop was a hand-me-down so got stuck with it....I don't mind touchpads, really, just a mouse is so much quicker....
21:09<mnuhmnuh>cyberoptiq: firmware-iwlwifi?
21:09<rant>btw I'm pretty sure IBM didnt make an X230
21:10<cyberoptiq>found this in the journal: Jan 29 19:45:34 debian kernel: iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode failed with error -2
21:10<mnuhmnuh>cyberoptiq: firmware-iwlwifi?
21:10<rant>cyberoptiq: are you a bot? high?
21:10<cyberoptiq>wish I was...haven't touched a joint since '82....
21:11<rant>you've said the same thing twice and ignore multiple times being asked if firmware-iwlwifi was installed
21:11*mnuhmnuh overdue.
21:11<cyberoptiq>Lenovo is IBM
21:11<rant>no, its not
21:11<cyberoptiq>spin-off....
21:11<rant>IBM is IBM and they sold their personal computer division to Lenovo
21:11<cyberoptiq>correct
21:11<cyberoptiq>not sure if the iwlwife is installed though....
21:12<rant>its probably not since its a new install and you have that error
21:12<cyberoptiq>my thoughts exactly....
21:12<sarnold>cyberoptiq: .. that's why they keep askign you if you have firmware-iwlwifi installed or not ;)
21:12<rant>cyberoptiq: goto paste.debian.net and upload /etc/apt/sources.list
21:13<blast007>!non-free sources
21:13<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
21:13<cyberoptiq>got this message when I tried to install iwlwifi: firmware-iwlwifi is already the newest version (20161130-4).
21:13<cyberoptiq>I did that @dpkg
21:14<cyberoptiq>guess I have to reboot for the changes take effect??
21:14<cyberoptiq>in the sources.list I mean....
21:14<mnuhmnuh>cyberoptiq: dpkg is an infobot; ignore.
21:14<mnuhmnuh>no.
21:15<cyberoptiq>forgive my stupidity gentlemen....haven't played with Linux for almost a year because of wife's health problems....
21:15<cyberoptiq>a little rusty right now.....
21:15<mnuhmnuh>no worries.
21:15<cyberoptiq>just a hobby for me...not work related as I'm currently unemployed....
21:15<blast007>a reboot is the easiest way to load firmware after installing it. the other way would be unloading and re-loading the module.
21:16<cyberoptiq>modprobe ??
21:16<rant>cyberoptiq: modprobe -r iwlwifi; modprobe iwlwifi; dmesg
21:16<sarnold>if that doesn't work, what's the output of dpkg -S iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode ?
21:20<cyberoptiq>root@debian:/etc/NetworkManager# dpkg -S iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode
21:20<cyberoptiq>firmware-iwlwifi: /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode
21:21<sarnold>okay cool
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21:23<cyberoptiq>when I typed: dmesg | grep iwlwifi = I got a list of items related to iwlwifi
21:23<sarnold>hmm
21:23<sarnold>maybe pastebin your whole dmesg
21:24<cyberoptiq>could you please help with the command to post it to pastebin?
21:24<sarnold>the easy way is to install the pastebinit package and then dmesg | pastebinit -- and paste us the url from pastebinit
21:24<mnuhmnuh>!paste
21:24<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net or https://0bin.net/ | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
21:25<mnuhmnuh>pastebinit is awesome. :-)
21:26<cyberoptiq>http://paste.debian.net/1063401/
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21:26<cyberoptiq>I'm in shock I'm remembering some of these commands.....
21:26<cyberoptiq>;>)
21:27<cyberoptiq>coming back to me....
21:27<mnuhmnuh>like ridin' a bicycle.
21:27<cyberoptiq>the grey cells aren't completely burned out....hehehehehe....
21:28<sarnold>so, I don't know debian's kernels.. but these two things stand out as funny:
21:28<sarnold>[ 0.000000] Linux version 4.9.0-3-686-pae (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 6.3.0 20170516 (Debian 6.3.0-18) ) #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u5 (2017-09-19)
21:28<sarnold>[ 0.000000] Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware
21:29<sarnold>It looks kind of like you're using a 32 bit kernel intended for virtualization use, rather than a 64 bit kernel intended for bare hardware use
21:29<sarnold>I don't know if these things matter but it feels funny. it'll take someone more familiar with debian's kernels to tell us :)
21:29<cyberoptiq>I see....
21:30<cyberoptiq>guess I should've checked if this laptop supports 64 bit virtualization because it may be a 32 bit system....
21:31<cyberoptiq>just guessing....
21:32<cyberoptiq>or I just should've downloaded and burned a newer Debian ISO....
21:32<cyberoptiq>DVD I used is Debian 9 from July 2017
21:33<mnuhmnuh>"876:866 [ 5495.106275] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlp3s0: link becomes ready" - should be working.
21:34<cyberoptiq>I'm still seeing this in dmesg: [ 17.503492] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode (-2)
21:34<cyberoptiq>[ 17.503497] iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode failed with error -2
21:35<cyberoptiq>gonna Google it and see what I find....
21:36<sarnold>ENOENT 2 No such file or directory
21:37<sarnold>how about ls -l /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode ? is it there?
21:37<mnuhmnuh>cyberoptiq: dmesg is (generally) boot stuff; journalctl is like syslog (running system).
21:37<cyberoptiq>gotcha....
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21:38<cyberoptiq>it is....
21:38<cyberoptiq>root@debian:/etc/NetworkManager# ls -l /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode
21:38<cyberoptiq>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 444128 Oct 13 15:27 /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-6000g2a-5.ucode
21:39<sarnold>alright, same size as mine via ubuntu anyway
21:39<cyberoptiq>always something to trip up your night.....
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21:44<cyberoptiq>Well gents....gonna call it a night....been up early taking care of wifey...will rejoin this tomorrow if wifi still not working....thanks everyone for your assistance.....
21:44<cyberoptiq>greatly appreciated....
21:45<sarnold>cyberoptiq: if you're still stuck tomorrow, look around for a 64 bit live image or similar..
21:45<cyberoptiq>ok will do....thanks again...
21:45<sarnold>the 32 bit paravirt thing feels funny :)
21:45<sarnold>gfood luck
21:45<cyberoptiq>Thanks guys....
21:45<cyberoptiq>later
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21:49*mnuhmnuh rasafrackin, jiggafrigga ... wifi! :-P ethernet never gave me such flakey problems. grr.
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21:52<sarnold>heh yeah..
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22:16<Daniel-M>Hello
22:16<Daniel-M>does anyone of you use quassel?
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22:25<sqrt{not}>(He's not here right now but) note that cyberoptiq's dmesg error talks about 6000g2a-6.ucode, but the ls -al was looking for and found 6000g2a-5.ucode ... maybe he just needs an upgrade or something ?
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22:27<sarnold>sqrt{not}: arrrrrgh
22:27<sarnold>here's wishing I'd *read* what came back. sigh.
22:28<sarnold>oh hell and it even looks like it was my fault
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22:31<rant>,v firmware-iwlwifi
22:31<sqrt{not}>looks like sometimes he was seeing g2a-5 in his error messages, and sometimes -6 ?? copying by eye/hand maybe ?? dunno
22:31<judd>Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-4; stretch-backports/non-free: 20180825+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-1; sid/non-free: 20190114-1
22:31<rant>they have the latest version available
22:32<rant>and there is a wiki entry on installing wheezy on that machine and said to work with only installing firmware-iwlwifi so..
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22:33<rant>,find iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode
22:33<judd>Search for iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode in stretch/amd64: firmware-iwlwifi: lib/firmware/iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode
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22:39<sqrt{not}>looking at the contents of firmware-iwlwifi (20161130-4) it contains both blobs -5 and -6
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22:41<sarnold>oh so that's less likely to be the issue .. dang. I really liked that one.
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