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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-02-01

---Logopened Fri Feb 01 00:00:45 2019
00:02-!-iovec [uid171740@id-171740.stonehaven.irccloud.com] has joined #debian
00:02-!-iovec is "Kowalski" on #debian-dpkg #debian #ceph #bcache #C
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00:13-!-xxzz is "realname" on +#nemysis #debian
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00:27-!-sidmo__ is "sidmo" on #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-kde #debian
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00:32-!-melissa666 is "SATAN" on #debian #debian-next #debian-devel-changes #tor-dev #tor-project #freedombox
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00:32-!-gturner is "Gerald Turner" on #debian-pdx #debian
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00:43-!-jm_ is "." on #debian
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00:47-!-Xinayder is now known as Guest37
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00:47-!-Xinayder is "Alexandre O." on #debian #debian-br
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00:58-!-Bodiro is "Frag halt" on #debian
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01:32-!-codingquark is "Dhavan" on #debian
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01:38-!-l117 is "L117" on #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian-kde #debian
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01:47-!-dnl is "Daniel Baumann" on #debian #its-basis-systems #its-linux-systems #its-linux-sysadmin #bfh-linux-users #progress-linux #open-infrastructure #sisu #debian-openstack-commits #debian-netdata
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01:47-!-dnl is "Daniel Baumann" on #debian #its-basis-systems #its-linux-systems #its-linux-sysadmin #bfh-linux-users #progress-linux #open-infrastructure #sisu #debian-openstack-commits #debian-netdata
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02:09-!-}ls{ is "nobody" on #debian-nginx #debian-localgroups #debian-lan #debian-kde #debian-django #debian
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02:13-!-leatherface is "julien" on #debian
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02:38-!-chele is "chele" on #debian-next #debian
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02:51-!-SkarmoutsosV is "Vangelis Skarmoutsos" on #lxde #debian-next #debian
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03:12-!-drzacek is "realname" on #linux-rt #debian-next #debian
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03:16-!-dust is "dust" on #debian-games #debian #debian-next #debian-science #linux-rt
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03:20-!-Delta-One is "P.F." on #debian-next #debian-kde #debian
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03:28-!-leatherface is "julien" on #debian
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03:42-!-Texou is "Jean-Philippe MENGUAL" on #debian #debian-es #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-l10n-fr #debian-a11y
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04:57-!-BCMM is "BCMM" on #oftc #linux #debian-kde #debian #debian-next
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05:40-!-drzacek is "realname" on #debian #debian-next #linux-rt
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05:43-!-melissa666 is "SATAN" on #debian #debian-next #debian-devel-changes #tor-dev #tor-project #freedombox
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05:55-!-Haudegen is "AP,,," on #debian #debian-kde #debian-desktop #debian-mozilla #security #debian.or.at
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06:35-!-jmux is "Jan-Marek Glogowski" on #kernelnewbies #debian
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06:36-!-Texou is "Jean-Philippe MENGUAL" on #bitlbee #debian-next #debian #debian-es #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-l10n-fr #debian-a11y
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06:44-!-piper is "Ralph Hokanson" on #debian-offtopic #debian-live #debian-apt #packaging #debian-desktop #debian-kde #debian-next #debian
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07:10-!-leatherface is "julien" on #debian
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08:36-!-piper is "Ralph Hokanson" on #debian-offtopic #debian-live #debian-apt #packaging #debian-desktop #debian-kde #debian-next #debian
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09:07-!-piper is "Ralph Hokanson" on #debian-offtopic #debian-live #debian-apt #packaging #debian-desktop #debian-kde #debian-next #debian
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10:32-!-Talkless is "Vincas" on #debian-next #debian
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12:36-!-melissa666 is "SATAN" on #debian #debian-next #debian-devel-changes #tor-dev #tor-project #freedombox
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12:50-!-SkarmoutsosV is "Vangelis Skarmoutsos" on #lxde #debian-next #debian
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17:21<mnuhmnuh>note the datestamps in http://paste.debian.net/1064517/ - why iso yyyy-mm-dd mixed w ??-??
17:26<rwp>mnuhmnuh, Your locale + the files being more than 6-months old triggering a different format. <6 months is date+time >6months is date only.
17:26<samnob>Hey anybody know where/why serial-getty@.service is changing the ports permissions to crw--w---- ? Or more specifically how I can get it to be g+rw when I systemctl stop?
17:26<rwp>Try: env LC_ALL=C ls -l
17:29<rwp>mnuhmnuh, Curious... What locale are you using that produced that output?
17:32<samnob>I've typically got a hardware terminal on ttyS0 so I'm all set with that, but I often unplug it and systemctl stop serial-getty@ttyS0.service, but still have to modify perms before I can use ttyS0 in e.g. screen.
17:33<mnuhmnuh>rwp: early stages of research, apologies. i'm diddling with ls options and aliases and files got from everywhere, confusing. alias ls='/bin/ls -h' then alias all='ls -AlF --time-style=iso'
17:34<samnob>I futzed with udev, so now it goes where it should with udevadm trigger, but reverts when I systemctl start serial-getty@ttyS0.service, which I'd rather it not do.
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17:38<mnuhmnuh>rwp: your "env ..." is _much_ better; bare ls. overthinking again.
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18:23<mnuhmnuh>cf. http://paste.debian.net/1064519/ - the latter is what i wanted.
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19:04<KombuchaKip>I am using heirloom-mailx package under Debian. How do I set the default recipient email address mail is sent to? Right now it is sending to root@mydomain.com, but I'd like everything to go to foo@mydomain.com.
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19:08<rwp>mnuhmnuh, To be clear I proposed the LC_ALL=C as a debug tool to understand what was happening. Good for that. Probably not good for general production use.
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19:09<rwp>The 'env' use was just because that is the portable way to set variables without knowing if one is using bash, ksh, zsh, csh, tcsh, or any of the other long list of possible shells that all have different syntax.
19:09<rwp>If you know your own shell then of course it is okay to do without env and set variables natively.
19:10<rwp>mnuhmnuh, I think it was okay that you were using an alias for time setting. I didn't think of --time-style=STYLE at the time or I would have suggested it too.
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19:12<rwp>KombuchaKip, Trying to understand your case. mailx "default" address? There is a default? Not just the recipient in the option argument list?
19:12<rwp>KombuchaKip, You are not asking about the From: sender address are you?
19:13<KombuchaKip>rwp: No, recipient. As an example cron output is being sent to root@mydomain.com.
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19:13<rwp>I can't remember why I prefer bsd-mailx to heirloom-mailx but there is a difference that caused me to use one over the other.
19:13<KombuchaKip>rwp: Which is a dead address.
19:13<rwp>KombuchaKip, cron does not use mailx
19:13<KombuchaKip>rwp: I honestly don't care either way. I just use it for sending me SMART notifications really.
19:14<KombuchaKip>rwp: Well something is sending mail some how.
19:14<sarnold>if it's cron, then that's MAILTO variable or something, right?
19:14<rwp>Debian and most distributions use Paul Vixie cron, with patches, and that has an extention that allows setting MAILTO in the personal crontab file.
19:14<sarnold>crontab(5) says MAILTO
19:14<KombuchaKip>I don't know.
19:16<rwp>At the top of the crontab file put MAILTO=user@foo.example.com set to your preferred email address and it will go there.
19:16<KombuchaKip>rwp: Thanks. Done.
19:17<rwp>Also I recommend setting up email on the machine to you so that it sends mail to you as you would normally desire. That way instead of fixing cron and foo and bar and baz and every other program you run into that sends mail the default mail action on the machine is to send the mail to you.
19:17<rwp>The two most common ways are setting up an /etc/aliases entry that maps from your address to your preferred address.
19:18<rwp>The other is a ~/.forward file. The first requires root access the second does not.
19:18<rwp>The second may not be configured depending upon the MTA (mali transfer agent aka postfix or exim or other) installed.
19:20<KombuchaKip>rwp: I have root access. What would I put in /etc/aliases?
19:21<rwp>"you: you@foo.example.com"
19:21<KombuchaKip>rwp: I see root: foo@mydomain.com which is correct, but nearly everything else is pointed to root. Do I just change root to foo?
19:21<rwp>If you changed root to foo then everything that is currently sending to root would then not have an alias and would be delivered locally.
19:22<rwp>Add a new line.
19:22<KombuchaKip>rwp: Ok done. Thanks.
19:22<rwp>Then run: newaliases
19:22<rwp>To cause it to rebuild the /etc/aliases.db file.
19:23<rwp>Then give it a test! echo Hello world | mailx -s test you
19:23<rwp>Then: tail -F /var/log/mail.log
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19:24<rwp>The mail.log file will give all of the details of what it is doing. But I guess the name of that file is dependent upon the MTA installed.
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19:26<KombuchaKip>rwp: Weird, that works. The mail goes correctly to my foo@ account, but the strange thing is the To: field in the actual email is not a valid email address. It's foo@mydomain
19:27<rwp>That is strange. And not normal.
19:27<rwp>Check /etc/mailname for being a fully qualified domain name. If not there then something in the MTA is in need of help.
19:31<KombuchaKip>rwp: /etc/mailname contains only mydomain.com. Is that ok?
19:33<rwp>That is okay. And therefore that is not the current issue you found. Something else then.
19:34<mnuhmnuh>KombuchaKip: rwp - this's always been a fun topic for me. solution is to use your isp's smtp smarthost, unless you know better.
19:34<rwp>Since Debian defaults to exim I am sure that is what you have installed. I am always frustrated by exim. I use postfix. And that means I have no knowledge of how to help further for you. Other than identifying that there is a problem.
19:35<rwp>mnuhmnuh, Definitely the typical consumer would live on a network using a dynamic IP address. In that case one must send mail out through their ISP mail relay. Probably using submission port 587 rather than smtp port 25 these days. But through the ISP relay host regardless to avoid the dynamic IP address pool which everyone else will block.
19:35<mnuhmnuh>i've found exim simpler, but postfix easier to handle; better config iface.
19:36<KombuchaKip>Well, in any case, at least I'm getting mail now.
19:36<KombuchaKip>Thanks guys
19:39<mnuhmnuh>one day i went to b-in-law's place and sent mail from his network; bounce. had to contact my isp to find out how to get to them from there.
19:40<rwp>Since UUCP days I have always handled my own email. Since email is by design created to be a peer-to-peer process. Back then I would simply have my laptop phone uucp to my uucp hub.
19:40<rwp>These days I recommend a host with a static IP address!
19:41<rwp>For a long time ISPs have generally accepted incoming email from their internal network without authorization figuring that all of them were their customers.
19:42<rwp>But lately I have noticed ISPs (Cox on the east coast) now requiring authentication for all including connections from their internal networks.
19:42<rwp>I think that is a good thing. It positively identifies their customers that they are relaying for and allows spam to be blocked easier.
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20:58<mnuhmnuh>suspect _the best_ option may be ldap on isp's servers. mutt can do that, as can most mua's. isp handles storage, you backup from there, you're hacked, it's safe, ...
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