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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-02-02

---Logopened Sat Feb 02 00:00:47 2019
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01:09<xxzz^>squid3 package on Stretch is broken
01:09<xxzz^>some systemd mess over squid.pid
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01:10<xxzz^>how to edit the systemd file for changing pid file
01:15<xxzz^>same stuff with squid4
01:15<xxzz^>this is fubar
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03:08<xxzz^>compiled squid and installed it, works now
03:14<elwisp>xxzz^: you didnt mess up the config then?
03:18<xxzz^>config was good
03:18<xxzz^>squid wants to write a pid in a directory not owned by proxy
03:18<xxzz^>it should write its pid in /var/squid, not in /var/run
03:19<xxzz^>changed squid.service PIDFILE
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06:52<animal>i think i installed stretch on a notebook not allowing root to login. i removed sudo but still a simple user cant shutdown the computer
06:53<animal>the options in xfce are greyed out
06:53<animal>what do i need to do in order for a simple user to be allowed to shutdown the computer?
07:00<bremner>xxzz^: it helps other people if you report the bugs you find with reportbug
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07:47<xxzz^>bremner: Okay, I will report the bug
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14:00<mnuhmnuh>animal: can user do "su -c /sbin/shutdown -h now" # it'll demand root's pword.
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14:01<mnuhmnuh>animal: or do you mean root no-pword exists?
14:01<mnuhmnuh>animal: or do you mean root no pword exists?
14:03<ach>animal i think debconf can do
14:04*mnuhmnuh generally speaking, ignore ach. bad karma.
14:04<ach>why you do this?
14:05<ach>but ok then?
14:05<ach>it's probable correct what i said?
14:07<sney>from the problem description it sounds like the system was installed with no root password, and the non-root user created by the installer had full sudo access instead. this is pretty standard.
14:08<sney>removing sudo would break root access in this case. the solution is to install sudo, and then examine why you wanted to remove it in the first place, animal . sudo is perfectly secure to have on your system
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15:31<mnuhmnuh>sney: if no root pword and no sudo, how does user install sudo? likely easier to boot chroot and run passwd to enable root pword.
15:36<mnuhmnuh>i don't agree the solution is to install sudo. i like sudo for ops which need to enable multiperson su access, but overkill for personal boxes.
15:37<sney>it's a standard utility that hurts nothing by being there.
15:38<sney>but you're right, there is a bit of a catch-22 of installing sudo on a system where root access is impossible. maybe best to just nuke it and start over. or chroot in, like you said.
15:38<sney>or,
15:38<sney>!i forgot root password
15:38<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
15:39*mnuhmnuh good one.
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16:02<animal>mnuhmnuh the user can do that but i dont want to give out the root pass
16:03<animal>and root does have a pass
16:04<animal>sney it was the 1st time i actually installed debian witrh sudo
16:04<animal>all my other installs are without sudo
16:05<mnuhmnuh>animal: you can have a root pass and have sudo access without giving out root pword. define access in /etc/sudoers(?) (visudo).
16:07<mnuhmnuh>animal: i have both working here sans conflict. i prefer su -, gui apps tend to want sudo often. meh.
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16:08<ach>!rofl
16:08<dpkg>from memory, rotfl is Rolling On The Floor Laughing, something you're rather unlikely to be able to type in while you do it
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16:16<animal>i know that i can do it that way.
16:17<animal>nut what i want is just a simple user being able to shutdown or restart the computer
16:17<animal>i just need to undo whatever su did
16:17<animal>when i got installed with the system
16:17<animal>it
16:18<animal>when sudo got installed
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16:20<mnuhmnuh>animal: you can specify in /etc/sudoers that members of $group may run $blah command using their user pword; that command could be shutdown
16:20<mnuhmnuh>shutdown -h (halt) or -r (reboot).
16:23<mnuhmnuh>add users you want to have access to sudo to /etc/group sudo. sudoers will use %sudo to specify members of that group. smiple [sic].
16:26<mnuhmnuh># Allow members of group sudo to execute any command
16:26<mnuhmnuh>%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
16:26<mnuhmnuh># Allow members of group sudo to execute any command
16:26<mnuhmnuh>%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
16:26<mnuhmnuh>y
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16:26<bremner>no good deed goes unpunished
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16:26<mnuhmnuh>oops, sorry, still learning weechat.
16:29<animal>mnuhmnuh i know what i can do with sudo. i am asking if someone knows how to help with my issue. i dont want to use sudo to shutdown the computer
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16:31<mnuhmnuh>bremner: yeah, why'm i always volunteering to help people get stuff i don't use working? curious. wifi, sudo, most gui apps, ...
16:34<mnuhmnuh>animal: it's either/or; root pword or sudo, or go stupidly with commercial alternatives (they're execrable). you don't want to give out root pword; you're stuck with that choice.
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16:34<mnuhmnuh>sudo
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16:37<animal>mnuhmnuh on the installation i am using now, i can shutdown and reboot the pc within xfce. no sudo no root pass
16:38<animal>thing is i dont have systemd installed here, but on the other computer
16:38<animal>dunno if that is an issue or not
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16:41<animal>during installation on that computer, i installed with the option to not allow root to login. which is why sudo is needed. it is the 1st time i installed debian with that option
16:41<animal>all i want to do is to undo that option and let root login
16:41<mnuhmnuh>animal: obviously, i do not understand the problem you have as described. "... just a simple user being able to shutdown or restart the computer" ?!? what can you add to that?
16:42<blast007>mnuhmnuh: they're saying that a normal user can't shut down or restart the computer from the Xfce menu on one computer
16:44<animal>the problem is when a user logs in to xfce, the option to shutdown and reboot are grayed out as is not available
16:44<mnuhmnuh>"... on the installation i am using now, i can shutdown and reboot the pc within xfce." so where's the problem?
16:44<animal>even pressing the power button brings up the log off menu with those options disabled
16:44<blast007>mnuhmnuh: multiple computers
16:44<animal>the problem is on another computer
16:44<animal>lol
16:44<mnuhmnuh>blast007: ah, crap.
16:44<animal>hahaha
16:45<mnuhmnuh>ty. lights coming on.
16:45<animal>:)
16:46<animal>apt purge sudo didnt do the trick
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16:47<animal>maybe i have to dpkg-reconfigre some package?
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16:48<mnuhmnuh>animal: so you've a remote accessible box you want to allow the users of that box to frob it?
16:48<animal>frob?
16:48<mnuhmnuh>and you hate sudo.
16:48<animal>i didnt say i hate sudo
16:48<animal>i just dont use it
16:48<mnuhmnuh>power-cycle, reboot, ...
16:49<animal>yeah frob the box
16:50<animal>when you install with the option to allow root to login, normal users can frob the box
16:50*animal learned a new word :)
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16:50<blast007>how did you install Xfce on the system that isn't letting you shutdown? from the Debian installer option itself?
16:51<animal>netinst
16:51<mnuhmnuh>setuid shell script wrapping shutdown command?
16:51<blast007>but it was the Xfce option during the install, not afterwards via apt?
16:52<animal>i downloaded netinst and installed debian with xfce desktop and the option to NOT allow root to login. that installs sudo
16:52<animal>on every other installation i never selected do not allow root to logon. and that does not install sudo
16:53<animal>i always select allow root to logon
16:54<animal>i might just reinstall and be done with it
16:54<mnuhmnuh>animal: that's the oldest *buntu vs. debian controversy ever.
16:54<animal>whats ubuntu? :)
16:55<animal>what is wrong with not using sudo?
16:55<mnuhmnuh>that which thinks root's password need not exist.
16:55<animal>i never said that
16:55<jesopo>i dislike sudo
16:55<SlidingHorn>honestly, I think my preference for that method is just because I started with Ubuntu...now I use sudo regardless of which distro
16:55<mnuhmnuh>animal: nothing, as long as root's pword works.
16:56<animal>and i have nothing to do with ubuntu
16:56<rwp>I first met sudo on HP-UX and found it very useful there.
16:57<animal>su- enter root pass. do your magic ctrl-d done
16:58<animal>sudo this sudo that sudo my aunt is tiresome
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16:58<animal>unless sudo bring me coffee worked...
16:58<mnuhmnuh>i'm not dissing sudo; it's easy, works well, better since it logs its actions copiously, handles flexibly su access, rock on.
16:59<rwp>animal, Then you would use sudo like this: sudo -i
17:00<animal>isnt that something like su -c ?
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17:03<useretail>Hi, I guess I broke something, can't boot the system anymore. So here's the story. First of all I'd like to mention that I have fake SATA RAID based on Intel 82801.
17:03<useretail>Debian Stretch was installed with accordance to this page: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid
17:03<useretail>However yesterday I removed some obsolete kernel images and this caused grub to regenerate.
17:04<useretail>After that I installed 'lvm2' package cause I had to mount an image file that was in this format.
17:04<useretail>I turned off the laptop and today I discovered that the system is failing to boot:
17:04<useretail>initrd fails with such message:
17:04<useretail>device-mapper: table: 253:0: striped: Couldn't parse stripe destination
17:04<useretail>device-mapper: table: 253:1: striped: Couldn't parse stripe destination
17:04<useretail>Gave up waiting for root file system device.
17:04<useretail>ALERT! /dev/mapper/isw_bbibabbgdf_Volume01 does not exist. Dropping to a shell!
17:04<useretail>After hours of searching, I found that probably dmraid is not starting. But how to check it?
17:05<useretail>Or maybe you have some other ideas how to debug it?
17:05<mnuhmnuh>animal: sudo -i is like su -; interactive. su -c just runs the one command.
17:05<mnuhmnuh>man 8 sudo
17:06<animal>my wrong
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17:10<blast007>useretail: if you do steps 7 through 11 from that wiki page, does that work and can you see your files?
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17:12<useretail>blast007, yes
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17:12<Stemby>hi, I'd like to use this symbol in a text file: https://unicode-table.com/en/1F98B/
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17:13<Stemby>I can read and write it in a web browser, but in both GEdit and Gnome terminal I get a "missing character" symbol
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17:15<useretail>Stemby, that means that the current font doesn't have that particular symbol
17:15<Stemby>do I have to install a font? (which?) to configure something? (what?) other?
17:15<Stemby>thank you useretail
17:15<Stemby>I have no problem with all other unicode symbols I tried to use
17:16<Stemby>how can i fix my issue?
17:16<Stemby>thanks a lot
17:16<useretail>Stemby, yes. But no idea which one. You have to figure it out yourself
17:17<Stemby>useretail: can you test this symbol on your pc, please?
17:17<useretail>It shows a butterfly
17:17<Stemby>useretail: where?
17:17<Stemby>in a console?
17:18<Stemby>in a text editor?
17:18<useretail>Stemby, wait a sec
17:18<Stemby>useretail: np, thanks
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17:19<SlidingHorn>Stemby: check here...you can query the character and see which font(s) support it http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4f9/fontsupport.htm
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17:21<SlidingHorn>Stemby: Here's the entry specifically for that character: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1F98B/fontsupport.htm
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17:22<Stemby>great, thank you SlidingHorn, I have a look at it
17:25<Stemby>SlidingHorn: $ sudo aptitude install fonts-symbola
17:25<Stemby>fixed
17:25<Stemby>thank you very much!
17:25<Stemby>o/
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17:35<useretail>blast007, any ideas?
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17:45<mnuhmnuh>useretail: apt-get install fonts-symbola ttf-ancient-fonts-symbola
17:46<useretail>mnuhmnuh, my problem is related to dmraid, not fonts
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17:47<mnuhmnuh>yeah, confused. should've been to stemby
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17:50<animal>light out again? :)
17:56<ach>!nsu-a?
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18:04<mnuhmnuh>chronicles of riddick on dvd player is lots more fascinating than what's happening in here today. happy to hear about symbola, looking forward to what it does, but riddick's far more cool.
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19:46<useretail>Ok guys, problem solved. mdadm was populatin array before dmraid
19:47<useretail>so that was the problem. i just had to remove mdadm
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19:54<mnuhmnuh>useretail: i admire you people who fiddle w such things. i built a raid w 4 usbkeys once just 'case it was cool but that's as far as i got.
19:55<mnuhmnuh>s/case/cause/
19:58<useretail>yeah, you have to understand what u're doing. or you can lose your data. hopefully i was lucky today :)
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20:02<ap4lmtree>hi
20:02<ap4lmtree>i am going to dist-upgrade from stretch to buster now
20:05*mnuhmnuh ap4lmtree takes point
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22:15<ap4lmtree>do any of you use gpg4usb ? i upgraded to buster, and now it gives me "invalid crypto engine" when trying to decrypt anything and my keyring doesn't show anythign
22:15<ap4lmtree>i dont understand why that program would break with this upgrade
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22:22<ap4lmtree>i guess gpg4usb needs to fix it rather than something i can do on debian
22:23<ach>!ty
22:23<dpkg>it has been said that ty is #del#
22:23<ap4lmtree>huh
22:23<ach>hi
22:24<ach>i thought been attacked for discase of freedom
22:25<ach>!ok
22:25<ap4lmtree>hu
22:25<ap4lmtree>h
22:27<ach>i will care debian more then windows should been forbidden i can not fall off all
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22:28<ach>been mistreaded by own want will choose my opration system out public of...
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22:30<ap4lmtree>ach, i dont quite understadn you
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22:36<themill>ap4lmtree: I'll take a wild stab at it being an incompatibility between gpg1 and gpg2
22:36<mnuhmnuh>ap4lmtree: stretch doesn't know gpg4usb, fwiw.
22:37<mnuhmnuh>ap4lmtree: ignore ach. noise.
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22:38<ap4lmtree>so stretch uses gpg1 and buster uses gpg2?
22:38<themill>both releases have both versions, but dependencies are slowly being pivoted around to preferring gpg2
22:39<mnuhmnuh>i see both available in stretch, 1 & 2
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23:02<krisfremen>is there anything in the debian repos for cataloguing HDDs or any removable media?
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23:03<mnuhmnuh>krisfremen: please explain cataloguing. what do you want?
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23:04<krisfremen>offline snapshot of my removable media would be what Iwant
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23:08<mnuhmnuh>ls -AlF && fdisk -l /dev/... && fstat ... && ... # all depends what level you want to look at.
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23:48<xxzz^>where are root's crontabs saved in Debian
23:48<xxzz^>in BSD they are in /var/cron
23:49<xxzz^>if I setup a cron job with crontab -e will it be run as a root?
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23:52<mnuhmnuh>xxzz^: i've never run a crontab in root in linux, but assume /var/log/* and journalctl for logging.
23:52<mnuhmnuh>and dmesg for boot
23:55<themill>xxzz^: if you want to edit files, they are in /etc/cron*; if you want to use crontab -e, you shouldn't really be looking for the files (in /var/spool)
23:59<xxzz^>themill: I want to make sure root runs the shellscript, normal user shouldn't due to permission issues
23:59<xxzz^>I can add root to the tab
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