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04:29<Anarka>does stretch only support SMB1 connections ? if i define min protocol version SMB2 i'm unable to mount the share
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04:37<jm_>support SMB1 where?
04:38<Anarka>oops /etc/samba/smb.conf
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04:40<jm_>man smb.conf lists several versions under "server min/max protocol"
04:51<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... my "funny thing" affecting some files now seems to have occurred in /run/user/1000... I see this: d????????? ? ? ? ? ? gvfs - meanwhile, there's also a "permission denied": Feb 7 08:52:58 topdeck tracker-extract[3045]: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied. dconf will not work properly. - How do I work out what has happened and how to fix it?
04:55<Anarka>yeah as soon as i change to SMB2 i stop being able to mount the share, so it seems 1.= or nothing
04:56<jm_>mount it with linux?
04:56<jm_>if it's mount.cifs then specify vers= option, it uses 1.1 by default
04:58<jm_>EmleyMoor: what does stat say for that file? I'll be back in some 40 minutes to compare to what I see
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04:58<EmleyMoor>jm_: cannot stat - permission denied
04:59<EmleyMoor>(gvfs)
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05:00<EmleyMoor>http://paste.debian.net/1065791/ for /run/user/1000/dconf/user
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05:39<Anarka>jm_: tnx, was trying vers= on mount but one share is in use so its not remounting, but tried with another share and it worked
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05:47<jm_>EmleyMoor: looks exactly as here, minus uid/gid change - I wonder why ls shows those ??? then
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05:49<jm_>EmleyMoor: I probably misunderstood and '/run/user/1000/dconf/user' is OK, but some other file has ?????, right?
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06:22<Infra_3600>what the halt
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07:51<EmleyMoor>jm_: /run/user/1000/gvfs
07:54<jm_>EmleyMoor: I assume that one is rather different, I would check if tools like bcc or inotify can help identify what changes it
07:54<EmleyMoor>jm_: I need some clues
07:55<EmleyMoor>But first, I guess I need to put it right
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08:00<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to check the integrity of an lvm setup?
08:00<grawity>EmleyMoor: /run/user/*/gvfs is a FUSE mount
08:01<grawity>by default FUSE doesn't allow any other uid to access the mountpoint
08:01<grawity>(deliberately not even root)
08:01<EmleyMoor>So is d????????? ?
08:02<EmleyMoor>etc... to be expected?
08:02<grawity>if you're stat'ing or ls'ing it from the wrong user, yes
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08:02<grawity>normally I'd expect /run/user/1000/gvfs to be owned by uid 1000
08:02<EmleyMoor>What's the right user?
08:02<EmleyMoor>grawity: It's owned by ? in this case
08:03<grawity>no it's not
08:03<EmleyMoor>Ah, I see... that's OK then
08:04<grawity>if stuff under /run/user/1000 is owned by some other uid than 1000, then that usually indicates some careless su'ing and sudo'ing
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08:04<grawity>or, possibly, trying to su/sudo to an user who's not "logged in" and doesn't even have a /run/user/#### directory yet
08:05<EmleyMoor>grawity: Indeed... but what I saw was fuse blocking root from seeing gvfs, then...
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10:24<Synthea>What's better for the sks keyserver? Letting clients access it directly from his hkp:// port or putting an apache/ngnix server in the middle who acts as a proxy? What's the difference between the two approax?
10:25<Synthea>*approach
10:25<Synthea>idk
10:25<petn-randall>Synthea: It really depends on what problem you're trying to solve, then a nginx proxy might help or not.
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10:26<Synthea>petn-randall, I want to make my sks keyserver available in the lan
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10:27<petn-randall>Synthea: Then what would the nginx server do?
10:27<Synthea>petn-randall, idk, if it adds new functions I would be interested I would add it
10:28<Synthea>Expecially since I have to add it for hkps support
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10:39<SteinerGround>Hello. I'm looking for help on how to open a bug report. The problem is that I don't know how to describe the problem the way it is asked over debian.org. I've just installed Debian Buster and I'm facing a problem on resume (when the laptop is coming back from suspend mode). Could anyone help me?
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11:27<jimpop>argh, why does bugreport.cgi convert double-quotes to "+ACI" ?
11:27<jimpop>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=921644
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11:42<petn-randall>jimpop: It doesn't when I use them.
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11:44<petn-randall>jimpop: It sounds more like you're copy/pasting text and an encoding error.
11:47<jimpop>it was indeed a c+p, but it was done on/with Strech software ;-)
11:47<jimpop>cinnamon, evolution, gnome-terminal
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11:48<jimpop>the email went from evolution to a debian stretch postfix server before going on to the bug report
11:49<jimpop>so, from beginning to end, stretch, stretch, stretch, produced that error ;-)
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11:50<jimpop>i'd file a bug report on that... but I have no idea where to begin with that
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12:11<petn-randall>layer 8 is not running stretch, though ... :)
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12:17<jimpop>PEAKAC ?
12:18<jimpop>(After instead of Between)
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13:17<animal>hi, I just installed a second network card to use only for my VMs. I gave it a static ip, on the same net as my primary card without a gateway or dns. However there is still a route for my subnet on that card with the same metric. Which is I guess the reason I am losing packets?
13:17<animal>how can I change the metric?
13:18<oweh>Your 2nd NIC is in the same subnet as the first?
13:18<animal>yes
13:18<oweh>ah, that is problematic
13:18<oweh>not unsolvable, but problematic
13:18<animal>I want to use it just for my VMs
13:19<oweh>please describe your setup, your network, etc.
13:19<oweh>especially what you mean by "use for the VMs"
13:20<animal>debian stretch (without systemd) 192.268.x.x
13:20<animal>192.168.x.x
13:20<animal>I don't want my VMs using my primary NIC
13:20<oweh>where do those VMs run?
13:20<animal>so I gave them a dedicated one
13:21<oweh>local to the host with 2 NICs?
13:21<animal>on the same host
13:21<animal>yes
13:21<oweh>KVM? Virtualbox? VMware? other?
13:21<animal>virtualbox
13:21<oweh>bridged network?
13:21<animal>dunno yet :)
13:21<animal>thats what im up to
13:21<oweh>ok, then just don't put an IP on that NIC
13:21<animal>can i configre the second nic as a virtual switch?
13:23<oweh>you could (OVS like, bit this is overkill)
13:24<animal>so iface eth1 inet manual should do the trick?
13:24<oweh>I think so, yes.
13:24<animal>thanks
13:24<animal>will try and brb
13:24<oweh>don't forget to up the interface: "up ip link set $IFACE up"
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13:26<animal>i have to do that manually?
13:26<oweh>add it as "up" statement to your /e/n/interface file
13:26<oweh>to the iface eth1 inet manual stanca
13:27<oweh>or ifup won't bring the interface up
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13:28<oweh>like so:
13:28<oweh>auto eth1
13:28<oweh>iface eth1 inet manual
13:28<oweh> up ip link set $IFACE up
13:28<animal>iface eth0 inet manual
13:28<animal> pre-up ifconfig $IFACE up
13:28<animal> post-down ifconfig $IFACE down
13:28<animal>i found that in the wiki
13:28<oweh>ew, ifconfig ;)
13:29<animal>lol
13:29<oweh>but, yes, like this
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13:29<animal>your way or the wiki's way?
13:29<oweh>either way is fine
13:29<animal>ok
13:30<oweh>the pre-up, post-down way is technically more correct
13:30<oweh>minus the ifconfig thing
13:30<animal>if i dont use ifconfig, the only option left is networkmanager?
13:31<oweh>naa, use ip
13:31<oweh>unless you are doing this on Debian Bo, iproute is installed and ip is available
13:31<animal>i use that also. still learning
13:31<animal>i dont have iproute installed
13:32<oweh>sorry, iproute2
13:32<animal>that either :)
13:32<animal>ip goes with iproute2 ?
13:32<oweh>yes
13:32<oweh>the package is Prio:important
13:32<oweh>unless you manually removed a bunch of stuff, it should be installed per default
13:33<animal>i have upgraded from jessie. jessie was installed and i removed systemd. pinned it -1 i think and then upgraded to stretch
13:34<oweh>still, quite strange you were even able to get rid of iproute2
13:34<animal>but i dont think debian can work 100% flawlessly without systemd anymore
13:34<oweh>it can and does
13:35<oweh>some desktop environments like Gnome tied themselves a bit stronger to the tools systemd provides
13:35<animal>i use xfce
13:35<oweh>But please (for the love of $DEITY) let's not get into *that* discussion /again/.
13:36<animal>define $DEITY
13:36<oweh>the value and content of that variable is up to you
13:37<klh>sometimes it's good to just read others
13:37<animal>do one thing and do it good. thats all i have to say
13:38<klh>never do half things, do it or not
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13:40<animal>but ffs dont try to do everything and frag up the system
13:41<klh>step after step
13:43<animal>i restarted networking and ifconfig eth1 down and up again but it still has the ip
13:43<animal>easy way is to reboot
13:43<oweh>you can't restart networking
13:43<oweh>because if just the problem you encountered
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13:43<oweh>just delete the IP manually
13:43<oweh>ip addr del IP.ADD.HE.RE dev eth1
13:44<sim590>I'm presently trying to resize a NVMe (NVM express) disk. One partition that is. However, I'm confronted to a greyed out resize option. Is it not supposed to be possible? Do I have to update BIOS may be?
13:46<oweh>sim590, you might want to provide more input about what exactly you are doing.
13:48<animal>try with gparted
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13:50<animal>oweh everything fine now
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13:50<animal>thanks :)
13:50<oweh>np.
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13:53<sim590>oweh: I'm installing debian based system (ubuntu) on someone's computer. I want to resize the windows partition so that it can make place to ubuntu. On conventional (sd) partitions, I simply hit the resize button and I can create partitions for Ubuntu and click install, but I cannot do that with the NVMe partitions on the person's computer I'm telling you about.
13:54<oweh>Ah, the Ubuntu installer is a vastly different beast than the Debian one.
13:54<animal>sim590 did you try with gparted?
13:54<oweh>I think you might get a better answer in an Ubuntu-focused channel.
13:55<sim590>animal: Yes. I did that, so I tried the installation tool (didn,t work). I tried the "try ubuntu > gparted" way and didn't work either.
13:55<sim590>The optoin is greye dout.
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13:56<sim590>OK. I can try that, but really, if it doesn't work with gparted, it seems like global linux related question, no?
13:56<sim590>The result seems would be the same with debian.
13:56<oweh>True.
13:56<sim590>The installer has little impact on this I guess.
13:58<animal>i just tried gparted on my nvme. i can resize it
13:59<oweh>who knows what strange things windows did to the NVMe
13:59<sarnold>what type of filesystem is on that partition?
13:59<sarnold>(and do you have a backup? :)
13:59<sim590>animal: What's the version of gparted you have? Do you have specific additionnal packages ?
14:00<animal>sim590 0.25.0
14:00<animal>ships with debian stable
14:01<animal>sim590 so you have windows installed on the nvme and want to make space for linux?
14:01<animal>can you boot in to windows and shrink the partition with diskmgmt.msc?
14:02<animal>sim590 it could also be that you have a "Recovery Partition" on the disk
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14:29<sim590>I quit the window. I'm supposed to have bouncer getting my messages, but to be sure, has someone responded to what I said last?
14:29<sim590>sarnold: I have ntfs partitions for WIndows.
14:29<sim590>It's backedup
14:35<animal>sim590 did you see my message about the recovery partition?
14:37<sim590>animal: I don't think so.
14:37<sim590>The gparted version is 0.30.0.
14:37<animal>if you have a recovery partition at the end of the disk i dont think you will be able to shrink the ntfs partition
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14:38<animal>are you able to shrink it within windows with diskmgmt.msc
14:38<animal>?
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14:39<sim590>why wouldn't I be able to resize if there's a recovery parotition at the end if I'm shrinking the partition?
14:40<sim590>I'm trying diskmgmt.msc
14:43<animal>i had a problem extending a ntfs partition with a recovery partition at the end of it. (it was a virtual disk)
14:43<animal>had to delete the recovery partition with gparted to extend the partition
14:48<sqrt{not}>sim590: also make sure you have disabled "windows fast boot" inside windows
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14:59<sim590>sqrt{not}: OK. I have done that now.
15:00<sim590>animal: I tried diskmgmt.msc and it says that only 9000 MiB can be shrinked on the partition.
15:00<sim590>Weird. Why would that be?
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15:33<old_dog>although not new to GNU/Linux, I am new to the Debian distro. I'd appreciate any suggestions or tips on getting up to speed as painless as possible. Thanks
15:34<jmcnaught>old_dog: have you already installed Debian?
15:34<old_dog>yes
15:34<old_dog>9
15:34<old_dog>9.7 I think
15:35<old_dog>with MATE as DE
15:35<jmcnaught>there's a Debian Reference which is terse but pretty good, you might find some of it to be stuff you already know, but there's a decent chapter on the package system: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/
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15:36<old_dog>ok, thanks. I'll take a look at it. One thing I know I need, and haven't figured out yet, is how to upgrade to a newer kernel. This one doesn't see my wifi chip
15:37<jmcnaught>!bdo
15:37<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <stretch backports>) and oldstable (<jessie backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
15:37<jmcnaught>!bdo kernel
15:37<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <stretch-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
15:37<jmcnaught>old_dog: there are newer kernels in stretch-backports, see instructions above and ask if you have any questions :)
15:38<old_dog>ok thanks, jmcnaught I appreciate your help
15:38<jmcnaught>in addition to the kernel you may need to get a newer firmware from backports as well
15:38<old_dog>ok noted thanks again
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19:20<KombuchaKip>Is Canonical's snappy package management system another Canonical flop ignored by other distros, or does the Debian project see any merit in its adoption?
19:20<rmotao>no idea
19:22<KombuchaKip>rmotao: I like Ubuntu, but I find virtually every software initiative Canonical undertakes on its own always ends up failing for some reason. Ubuntu Software Center, Unity, Snappy, Ubuntu Phone, Upstart, etc.
19:23<rmotao>Ubuntu One
19:23<rmotao>fail to.
19:24<KombuchaKip>rmotao: As a distro, they're fine. But as upstream developers everything always seems to be a dead end.
19:24<KombuchaKip>rmotao: Yes, that too.
19:26<rmotao>I don't know why this happen. I think Linux users really don't like corporations.
19:27<rmotao>even the "good" ones
19:29<KombuchaKip>rmotao: I think I'm inclined to agree. But they tend to like them less when they just go and do their own thing without much public discussion. I'm not a big fan of Red Hat, but I do like that a lot of their initiatives and contributions are beneficial to all distros, like LSB, freedesktop.org, etc.
19:31<rmotao>I won't like Linux becoming the manstream of the IT industry because eventualy Linux will become the new Windows... like Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader.
19:32<rmotao>But...
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19:35<rmotao>it could just be... Linux users are stingy. They don't like spending money in something "free".
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19:37<rmotao>People don't send money for free software.
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19:43<bremner>this should maybe move to #debian-offtopic, unless I missed the support question
19:44<rmotao>ok. ok.
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22:10<xxzz>does ELK work in Debian?
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22:12<ach>!doom
22:12<dpkg>Doom is a first-person shooter video game released in 1993. Ports currently packaged for Debian include chocolate-doom (contrib), <prboom> and <vavoom>; free game files for prboom are packaged as freedoom. Debian packages containing commercial Doom game data can be produced using <game-data-packager> in <contrib>; doom-wad-shareware is available in <non-free>.
22:14<sdk>Now I want to play Freedoom!
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