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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-02-08

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04:31<Ghostbird>Hi guys, after Debian 9 became unusable with instability due to the ancient and buggy muffin version included, I upgraded to Debian 10 today, but my Cinnamon is running in software rendering mode. Where should I start looking to find out why? Nvidia-driver has installed properly and DKMS modules seem correctly built.
04:31<Ghostbird>Nevermind, I though I was posting in #debian-next, sorry.
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05:02<EmleyMoor>Damn... something's gone wrong with my backup of this machine - non-VM full backup 76 bytes!
05:04*EmleyMoor will check his other machines, as all run the same script
05:12<EmleyMoor>Found the bug
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05:14<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Glad we could help! ;)
05:14<xxzz>hehe
05:15<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: It's all these recent mods to my script... would have posted further here if I hadn't found it
05:18<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Good that you found it! Many people find the bug when they try to retrieve the backups ...
05:18<EmleyMoor>Is there a correct way to clear a variable in a bash script?
05:18<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: you can use `unset FOO`, I think.
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05:33<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: OK, trying it out now
05:34<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... something else seems to have broken
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05:38<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... it doesn't seem to like my new filename for a "no VMs" backup. Besides it may be better to do the VMs again anyway
05:40<EmleyMoor>An idea for the next refinement, anyway
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05:59<EmleyMoor>Lexmark's suggestion on cat-proofing my printer: switch it off!
06:00<xxzz>logstash is consuming avg 250% cputime for last 4 hours. Expensive gui.
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09:50<xxzz>I am getting logrotate error - ype=AVC msg=audit(1549635926.587:224374): apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_lock" profile="/etc/cron.daily/logrotate" name="/etc/logrotate.conf" pid=20300 comm="logrotate" requested_mask="k" denied_mask="k" fsuid=0 ouid=0
09:50<xxzz>there is no logrotate profile for apparmor
09:51<xxzz>any ideas
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10:07<petn-randall>xxzz: On which OS release?
10:08<petn-randall>xxzz: apparmor is not production-ready on stretch, IIRC.
10:08<xxzz>stretch
10:09<xxzz>in fact I am getting a lot of errors related to it
10:09<xxzz>some for clamav-unofficial-sigs and logstash
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10:10<xxzz>how stable is Sid?
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10:10<xxzz>apparmor profiles are decade old and it still isn't product-ready?
10:15<petn-randall>xxzz: That's not how it works.
10:15<xxzz>okay
10:16<petn-randall>xxzz: apparmor profiles generally are per-distribution, and the profiles simply haven't been fixed/adopted for stretch yet.
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10:17<petn-randall>However, that's also clearly stated in the apparmor-profiles* package description that they're aren't mature yet.
10:17<xxzz>okay, is anyone from here using apparmor on Sid?
10:17<petn-randall>sid is a lot less mature than stretch. Maybe the apparmor profiles work better, but everything else likely doesn't.
10:18<xxzz>right
10:18<petn-randall>sid is basically a collection of packages that compiled fine in the developers machine.
10:18<xxzz>I get that
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10:18<petn-randall>The QA happens in testing.
10:18<xxzz>I think I will have to go back to rpm land
10:19<petn-randall>xxzz: Whatever suites your requirements best.
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10:26<xxzz>I used to use SuSE but after a minor fuck-up over sshguard I ditched it
10:27<petn-randall>Ah, distro hopping I see.
10:27<xxzz>not really
10:27<xxzz>OpenBSD, FreeBSD, SuSE & Debian
10:28<petn-randall>If you switch from Debian to something else over experimental apparmor profiles not working, then that is a quite a low threshold.
10:28<xxzz>SuSE apparmor works
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10:29<xxzz>actually, I thought compiling on Debian will be easy but I am yet to get the hang of debian toolchain
10:30<xxzz>if I find decent documentation I can fix apparmor local issues here
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10:33<petn-randall>Sure. If your requirement is that all apparmor profiles work, then Debian is not for you.
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10:40<xxzz>I will try Tomoyo and see if it works
10:40<xxzz>thanks
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10:48<petn-randall>I'm guessing that Tomoyo is even less tested than apparmor.
10:48<petn-randall>But then again I don't know what problem you're trying to solve.
10:50<xxzz>I want a functional security module
10:51<phazon>the only talk i ever hear of tomoyo is people asking about it; never heard or seen it actually being used in production
10:51<xxzz>I have used it in VM, way back
10:53<xxzz>they had a Ubuntu 12.04 live CD
10:53<petn-randall>xxzz: To do what exactly?
10:54<petn-randall>security is not a package you install.
10:54<xxzz>I know, I am building a small business desktop
10:58<xxzz>it is for a small metal fabrication studio
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12:05<mnuhmnuh>xxzz^: if sus's apparmor config works, use it. should be fairly simple to mv debian's aside and use suse's instead.
12:06<mnuhmnuh>that sort of half-baked rollout annoys me too, but there's ways around it.
12:07*mnuhmnuh "It compiles. Ship it!"
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12:13<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: It just happens that the file layout between suse and Debian are different, so if a SuSE apparmor profile works out of the box on Debian, it's obviously defined too loose. :)
12:16<mnuhmnuh>petn-randall: i wasn't expecting it to work ootb, but it's all text files; how hard can it be?
12:19<mnuhmnuh>it's a pretty chatty app and logs success vs. failures and reasons for same copiously.
12:23*petn-randall smells some Dunning-Kruger in the room.
12:24<jhutchins_wk>!apparmor
12:24<dpkg>AppArmor (Application Armor, formerly SubDomain) provides pathname-based mandatory access control, a file-system neutral alternative to <SELinux>. Previously maintained by Novell and part of the Linux kernel since version 2.6.36. http://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor http://apparmor.wiki.kernel.org/ #apparmor on irc.oftc.net.
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12:25<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: I think there's a also a dedicated apparmor team in Debian, there has also been some effort to enable apparmor by default in buster. Feel free to help out in the team! Seems easy!
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12:28<mnuhmnuh>petn-randall: i decided that in my situation, it's just noise; don't need it here, so disabled it. i've other (more fun) stuff i'd rather do.
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12:34<petn-randall>mnuhmnuh: Problem with apparmor profiles for e.g. thunderbird is that it might run fine, but then you try something like install an extension, or attach a file to a mail, and then it triggers and denies that action. So you'll have to test all possible scenarios to get a remotely good coverage. Then again you probably want to deny it accessing ~/.ssh/, as you seldomly want to mail ssh keys away, so
12:34<petn-randall>you'll have to explicitely test for that, too.
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12:38<mnuhmnuh>that's ugly. it's the sort of thing i'd want on a dedicated server running very few seldom changed services; not on a user's portable/desktop box.
12:39<mnuhmnuh>tbird's ugly too. use mutt. :-)
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13:27<dtw>Dolphin file manager doesn't sort files with my LC_COLLATE=fi_FI.UTF-8 locale way. For example "a" and "ä" are put close together. How could I make Dolphin respect my locale?
13:29<mnuhmnuh>dtw: is dolphin the only app that gets it wrong? everything else gets it right?
13:31<dtw>"ls" command gets it right but hard to test "everything".
13:32<dtw>OK, Wrong sorting in Konqueror too. Seems like Plasma desktop thing, but my desktop session is configured to use fi_FI locale too.
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13:40<mnuhmnuh>so, narrowed down to kde?
13:42<dtw>Seems like Plasma thing. Firefox sorts correctly in file:///... "pages".
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13:51<mnuhmnuh> plasma-desktop: LC_TIME=en_DK.UTF-8 does not work in KDE5
13:52<mnuhmnuh>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=plasma-desktop
13:54<JDGBOLT>Man, this has been quite annoying trying to figure out why practically no Qt applications seem to work on my setup, just getting libQt5Core.so.5 not found, even though it exists within lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
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14:00<sarnold>try running ldconfig?
14:01<JDGBOLT>Tried that, did nothing.
14:02<JDGBOLT>Near as I can tell there are no missing dependency libraries, they are the correct architecture type, tried uninstalling/reinstalling of all qt, copying the library to various places, did nothing.
14:03<JDGBOLT>Checked for any "not found" entries in the libraries themselves with ldd, only came back with the Qt5 libraries not being able to find qt5core, eh, might just be debian being debian.
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14:05<dtw>About my Dolphin file sorting problem. It seems that Dolphin doesn't respect LC_COLLATE but if Plasma desktop's general language is Finnish (fi_FI) the sorting is Finnish too. They don't respect locales and yet they put very specific locale settings (including the collate locale setting) in the desktop configuration tool.
14:05<mnuhmnuh>libqt5core5a ?
14:06<JDGBOLT>Yep, that one, tried reinstalling it to no avail, definitely been spending several hours trying to figure out how to fix the damn thing.
14:08<mnuhmnuh>JDGBOLT: that's a common user error. should not fiddle w LC_* beyond setting LANG.
14:09<JDGBOLT>I didn't.
14:09<sarnold>JDGBOLT: strace something and see what fails?
14:10<mnuhmnuh>kde/qt/plasma have been in some turmoil as long as i've been watching (not using :-) it.
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14:12<JDGBOLT>It mostly just has some stuff where it's trying to read the library, spits out a message, and moves on to trying to find the library.
14:13<JDGBOLT>read(3, "\4\0\0\0\20\0\0\0\1\0\0\0GNU\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\0\0\21\0\0\0\0\0\0\0", 32) = 32
14:13<JDGBOLT>Does that, then closes the file, and moves on.
14:14<sarnold>can you pastebin the whole thing? I'll give it a look
14:15<sarnold>it might be too much .. kde and all.
14:15<sarnold>but still worth a try
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14:17<simon1>JDGBOLT, are you sure your Qt applications are compiled for amd64?
14:17<JDGBOLT>https://pastebin.com/dxhy2TQU
14:18<JDGBOLT>Yep, near as I can tell.
14:19<JDGBOLT>That paste is from uic, which I guess is called from qmake when doing something, which fails of course.
14:20<JDGBOLT>From the strace, it does seem like it finds the file, then tries to use it, doesn't like it, then keeps looking, though according to ldd the file is an x86_64 compiled library.
14:20<sarnold>JDGBOLT: this is seriously confusing.
14:20<sarnold>yeah
14:20<sarnold>I've never seen anything like it
14:21<sarnold>what does 'file' report on /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5 ?
14:21<JDGBOLT>/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQt5Core.so.5.11.3: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, BuildID[sha1]=b3e670bda3f6317bb87d563aed8bee6fc1aea5e8, for GNU/Linux 3.17.0, stripped
14:21<piper>JDGBOLT: what kernel are you using
14:22<sarnold>how about debsums -a libqt5core5a ?
14:22<JDGBOLT>This is on a chromebook running crouton, which is 3.8.11, so possible just too old of a kernel, perhas.
14:22<sarnold>OOOOO
14:23<mnuhmnuh>well, there's your problem.
14:23<JDGBOLT>Ah, so I guess qt needs new kernels now? gtk doesn't seem to have a problem, and I have had qt applications working before, I'll take a look into it.
14:24<piper>libqt5core5a: Requires Linux kernel 3.17.0 or newer
14:24<mnuhmnuh>what's crouton?
14:25<JDGBOLT>Ah, well, I guess no qt applications for me anymore, as chromebook, so not too possible to increase kernel.
14:25<JDGBOLT>Basically a helper script that is able to setup linux chroots on chromebooks.
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14:25<sarnold>JDGBOLT: you *might* be able to recompile them on older kernels..
14:26<piper>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=895718
14:26<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/895718 in libqt5core5a (open): «libqt5core5a: Requires Linux kernel 3.17.0 or newer»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-04-15; last modified: 2018-07-09.
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14:31<JDGBOLT>Well, I'll just have to lookup then on building a custom qt. Not too well versed with the deb pkg building processes, as it's definitely different from what I am used to with arch linux, where you can whip up a working PKGBUILD file in a few minutes.
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14:33<mnuhmnuh>!ssb
14:33<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
14:34<piper>JDGBOLT: iirc in arch it was something like -no-feature-renameat2 -no-feature-getentropy -skip webengine
14:35<piper>JDGBOLT: you would have to look on the forums
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