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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-02-17

---Logopened Sun Feb 17 00:00:07 2019
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02:27<Khady>Hi. I'm in the process of installing debian stable. I want to use the entire disk and get it encrypted. So I picked the "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" option during the "Partition disks" step. It's globally ok except that it creates a swap partition. I would like to remove it, but I don't find how. Is it possible from the installer?
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02:30<rant>even with guided partitioning it still shows you what it did and asks you to accept it, you can make any changes you want
02:31<rant>you dont need a swap partition per-se but it is a good idea to have swap of some kind.. swap file or partition
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02:39<Khady>yes there is a step at which is shows me all the partition and ask me what to do
02:40<Khady>but I only manage to say "don't use this partition as swap", not to inlcude those 17.1GB into the "main" partition
02:41<Khady>my terminology might be wrong as it's the first time I'm using LVM
02:47<Khady>I can delete the volume group of the swap, and then try to increase the size of the root volume group probably
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05:09-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
05:09-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: Debian Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.8 ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
05:09-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
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05:39<xxzz>who is the Ops here?
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05:51<someusername>how can I do an install of testing without having to go through stable and a dist-upgrade?
05:51<someusername>like from scratch
05:53<xxzz>download that https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
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06:02<themill>someusername: the installer may or may not actually work on any given day, however
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06:05<someusername>themill: yeah, last time it coudn't even retrieve the apt repos, thus it failed...
06:05<someusername>isn't there a regular gui installer that doesn that?
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06:08<xxzz>my grouped nick is banned here
06:09<xxzz>can someone please restore it?
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07:20<itd>dpkg: tell xxzz -about ops
07:23<xxzz>thanks itd
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07:23<xxzz>dpkg: ops $please unban xxzz_
07:23<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: xxzz complains about a problem (see above)
07:24<themill>er, yeah, that's really not a good way of doing anything
07:25<xxzz>how to go about it then?
07:25<itd>xxzz: um, #debian-ops?
07:25<xxzz>okay
07:26<xxzz>I petitioned there
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07:31<xxzz>my issue is sorted
07:31<xxzz>I forgot nick grouping doesn't work on OFTC
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09:51<storrgie>Is there something wrong with stable mirrors? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/storrgie/a29f1ae52f8824cbd1d9253f4d15480e/raw/86de1538e9c231af6ad95c0ef1d159a68b7892c2/gistfile1.txt
09:53<bartm>is that an official debian mirror?
09:53<bartm>i mean the hostname with .network
09:54<storrgie>bartm, sorry i read the output wrong, I'll check that mirror out (it's something we're hosting for ourselves)
09:55<bartm>haaa i thought something like that
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11:41<znoteer>according to the O'Reilly bash book, I should be able to create a while loop like so: "while getopts ":mv" opt ; do" but the loop never get entered. Can anyone tell me what is wrong with my use of getopts?
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11:56<itd>znoteer: did you pass arguments to your script?
11:58<znoteer>yes, but at the same time as your question popped up in the window, I was running the command with two arguements just to see. When I run two arguements, the second gets read, so something is eating my first argement before it gets to the while loop
12:00<znoteer>itd: anyway, I have a test for no arguements at the beginning of the function, so when I run it without arguments it quits with an arror message
12:00<znoteer>*error* message
12:10<znoteer>well, I don't get this. Sometimes the while loop is being entered, and sometimes not, even with the exact same arguments given in the exact same order. That makes no sense.
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12:35<znoteer>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/08debdb3/ is my function. I don't get consistent results when running it. For example, running "mygetmail -m" printed debugging lines 1 and 4 with nothing having been concatenated to cmdline. Running "mygetmail -m -v" entered the loop and correctly concatenated the text to commandline for the "v" option, and printed all 4 debugging lines. Running "mygetmail -m
12:35<znoteer>-v" a second time, though, only produced lines 1 and 4 without any concatenation, so the while loop was not entered. I don't u;nderstand this
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12:38<znoteer>also, when I type in a wrong option, like "-q" or something, the wrong option case is never selected
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12:47<znoteer>this is weird. If I open a fresh terminal and run the command, it enters the while loop as expected. If I rerun the same command in the same terminal, it only prints debugging lines 1 and 4. I have to open a fresh shell to get it to behave as wanted, subsequent runs don't seem to enter the while loop unless I add options to the command line
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13:11<KombuchaKip>Is this a fair statement to make? The desktop and server space are occupied almost entirely by only a handful of operating systems. However, there are hundreds of operating systems out there. Most of the operating systems out there are GNU/Linux based and most of those are Debian based.
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13:15<sqrt{not}>znoteer: maybe you should also make opt be a local variable
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13:16<znoteer>sqrt{not}: good point. I'll try it
13:20<znoteer>sqrt{not}: while probably better programming practice, it didn't change the behaviour of my function :(
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13:42<sqrt{not}>znoteer: You might try putting a line #!/bin/bash at the start of the script; if that doesn't help you might also try initializing OPTIND = 1 before calling getopts
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14:22<znoteer>sqrt{not}: adding #!/bin/bash did nothing, but adding OPTIND=1 did the trick. But, I thought one of the whole points of getopts was that it kept track of and modified accordingly that variable. I'm not sure I understand why I have to reset it in subsequent runs of the function, but it works. Thanks
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14:27*sqrt{not} used to be a code-review red-pencil terror (assembly language division)
14:28<znoteer>hehe
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14:45<sdk>sqrt{not} and znoteer as a FYI, `#!/usr/bin/env bash` is more portable than `#!/bin/bash`
14:46<znoteer>cool, thanks!
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17:09*mnuhmnuh thinks once you bring up portable, #!/usr/bin/perl would be worth considering (or python, ...; i'm no longer much of a fan of shell programming languages). fwiw.
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17:24<sdk>mnuhmnuh: Totally agree with you but good luck to get rid of shell script in favor of perl or python.
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17:29<mnuhmnuh>sdk: not get rid of; they have their place, but for anything where performance or shell/cli prog. syntax comes in, perl/python blows shell's doors clean off.
17:36<mnuhmnuh>sdk: i once found myself maintaining 650 lines of vax/dcl (dec vax/vms shell; ick! :-). i replaced it with ca. 30 lines of perl! that was a huge improvement in my circumstances atm.
17:38<sdk>Personally, I fail to see the advantages of bash when you have perl.
17:40<mnuhmnuh>used to be perl was too big to consider fitting it into /sbin, when disk size was still measured in MB. now we've passed TB.
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17:42<drakonis>and people still gripe about bloat
17:43<sdk>mnuhmnuh: yep that was implicite in my point that nowadays there's no reason to keep bash around other than for backward compatibility.
17:43<mnuhmnuh>give 'em bigger disks and they'll fill 'em.
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17:46<mnuhmnuh>i look at some of the stuff used in shell progs nowadays, and i wonder about those who complain perl is cryptic looking. it may be powerful string handling, but it's really bizarre and hard for me to learn compared to perl's relative simplicity.
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17:51<mnuhmnuh>sigh. i've been down this road before and forget. trying to use abcde to rip a cd, complains mac is not in my path. where is it?
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18:50<KombuchaKip>Is this a fair statement to make? The desktop and server space are occupied almost entirely by only a handful of operating systems. However, there are hundreds of operating systems out there. Most of the operating systems out there are GNU/Linux based and most of those are Debian based.
18:50<mnuhmnuh>again trying to rip w abcde ... now complains tta not in path, but ttaenc installed and apt-file search says that provides it; it's not here (no /usr/bin/tta).
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18:54<mnuhmnuh>KombuchaKip: saw the same q. yesterday; it's too amorphous to answer. you can't lump _all_ of those realms so simply.
18:55<KombuchaKip>mnuhmnuh: A computer runs an operating system. They can be counted. How is it amorphous?
18:55<mnuhmnuh>server space == what? your coax cable on router connected peecee up against something like exxon's hacmp monsters?
18:57<mnuhmnuh>do solaris, hp-ux, data general, bull, osf/true64, ... still exist? sure, but not as many as home ssh and http servers.
18:59<mnuhmnuh>and why discount ios and android and other *nix on handheld devices?
19:00<KombuchaKip>mnuhmnuh: If they exist, they can be counted. If they don't exist, they can't be counted. I really don't think my question is elusive.
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19:02<mnuhmnuh>KombuchaKip: i'm just thinking "count" is simplistic. one cellphone running android != an ibm emachine running x many vm s.
19:04<KombuchaKip>mnuhmnuh: I don't think it is simplistic. If it's running a VM it can be counted. In any event I think you're getting a bit pedantic.
19:04<KombuchaKip>mnuhmnuh: I would say most operating systems are Debian based.
19:09<mnuhmnuh>most people i know don't own a computer. their android or ios device suffices for them. that's a lot of android & ios.
19:13<s3a>Hello, everyone. :) I'm trying to use the libxml++ library (via Debian stable/stretch's libxml++2.6-dev package) with Kdevelop. Here's the CMakeLists.txt file's contents.: http://dpaste.com/07R1M5M#wrap Here's the error message.: http://dpaste.com/0S4EP3V#wrap Here's the code I'm trying to run.: http://dpaste.com/1RJBS1N#wrap Could someone please help me?
19:13<KombuchaKip>mnuhmnuh: But those aren't desktops or servers.
19:16<mnuhmnuh>KombuchaKip: they're what they have _replaced_ desktops (and in ways servers) with. nokia n-800 ran full linux years ago. ssh to anywhee anytime, in your breast pocket.
19:17<KombuchaKip>mnuhmnuh: I didn't ask about what was allegedly replacing desktops or servers. Again, you're taking a question that wasn't complicated and getting pedantic.
19:18<mnuhmnuh>mere numbers don't matter. what the numbers represent matters.
19:20<mnuhmnuh>you may be right though. i _overthink_ a lot of things. my bad. pedant, probably a fair cop. in some things.
19:24<s3a>Update on error message: http://dpaste.com/2PST3CA#wrap
19:30<mnuhmnuh>crap; mis-read apt-file search tta output. ttaenc doesn't provide tta. grr.
19:32<mnuhmnuh>s3a: libxml++2.6-dev
19:33<mnuhmnuh>s3a: apt-file search internal_error.h
19:35<s3a>I think I had already found that file via dpkg -L
19:36<s3a>mnuhmnuh,
19:36<s3a>mnuhmnuh, /usr/include/libxml++-2.6/libxml++/exceptions/internal_error.h
19:37<s3a>It doesn't seem like I'm supposed to edit that file, though.
19:37<mnuhmnuh>wierd. updatedb?
19:37<mnuhmnuh>dunno.
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19:39<s3a>mnuhmnuh, I meant as in that's a library file.
19:39<s3a>I think I need to edit something related to kdevelop and/or cmake
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19:42<mnuhmnuh>s3a: yeah, kdevelop ought to know where it is and how to use it; should not be anything you need do.
19:44<s3a>mnuhmnuh, Oh, so if it's supposed to work, then I'll try to delete all kdevelop stuff and start from scratch.
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19:47<mnuhmnuh>never used kdevelop, but i'd guess it should work that way. gcc knows where to find stdio.h, so ... 3 it's a header, not library, file btw. :-)
19:47<mnuhmnuh>s/3/#/
19:49<s3a>isn't a library the aggregation of cpp and hpp files?
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19:50<s3a>and i'm going to check if other libraries or wtv work
19:55<s3a>mnuhmnuh, It seems another library is also not working. I must have screwed something up so badly that even deleting my project and the stuff in ~/.config related to it and apt-get purge kdevelop all don't fix it.
19:55<s3a>but regular code works
19:55<s3a>cout << "Hello world"
19:55<s3a>;
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20:00<mnuhmnuh>libs contain callable function guts in (usually) binary form. cpp == what? pre-processor what? meh.
20:00<s3a>cpp is the file extension of a C++ file
20:01<mnuhmnuh>so text just like header files.
20:02<s3a>Yes, from the operating system's perspective.
20:03<s3a>I'm going to try a fresh install of Debian (in a VM), and I'll later say if the problem persists.
20:04<s3a>Thanks for your input. (I'll be back later, if you're still here.)
20:04<mnuhmnuh>almost always here. :-)
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21:26<synthea>After a while my hexchat exits because a process seems to sigterm it (mantainer says it's related to dbus and glib) here's the debugger output and dbus-monitor output during the event. What should I do next? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/cf08fc0f/
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21:50<awal1>s3a, mnuhmnuh, lives here but he doesn't pay rent; when he does he is always late :P
21:52<mnuhmnuh>i'm either on strike or retired, depending on circumstances extant. :-)
21:54<mnuhmnuh>also think money is one of the stupidest things ever invented. i've reverted to barter.
21:54<mnuhmnuh>system
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22:19<xxzz>hello wonderful people
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22:31<synthea>mnuhmnuh barter works only between some privates
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22:51<mnuhmnuh>synthea: shop local, chain transactions, co-op; lots of ways around it.
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