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---Logopened Wed Feb 20 00:00:11 2019
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00:12<Dyntaos>Does anyone here ever use netcat to transfer files between machines on a network or it just me? My friends laugh, but it works great
00:13<twb>between hosts on a trusted network, I hope
00:13<twb>since netcat has no encryption or authentication
00:13<Dyntaos>yeah, always LAN
00:14<twb>I have done that but usually the overhead of SSH is negligible
00:14<Dyntaos>im in university and its really useful to share files in the computer lab (that are not sensitive of course)
00:14<twb>Also socat (which is like netcat, but more). Also just spin up a trivial HTTPD, e.g. webfs, or the python3 built-in one
00:15<mnuhmnuh>echo -e "GET /social_contract HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: debian.org\r\n\r\n" | nc debian.org 80
00:15<Dyntaos>yeah ive used `python -m SimpleHTTPServer` for that too
00:15<twb>mnuhmnuh: you can actually do that using bash alone :-)
00:16<twb>mnuhmnuh: cat <> /dev/tcp/debian.org/80 or something
00:16<mnuhmnuh>cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999
00:16<mnuhmnuh>just a couple of snippets from my things_to_remember file. :-)
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00:17<Dyntaos>are the "<>" both stdin and stout to the same file?
00:17<twb>I don't remember the right syntax and ICBF looking it up
00:18<Dyntaos>ah ok lol i just have never seen that before so i had to ask
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01:55<Dyntaos> whats the difference between linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.2-all-amd64 and linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.2-all ? (stretch-backports)
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01:58<twb>AFAICT the latter is a generic metapackage which on amd64 will always point to the amd64 version
01:58<twb>And likewise on other architectures.
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02:01<Dyntaos>im installing a back ported kernel. would u confirm my package selection?
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02:01<Dyntaos>apt install -t stretch-backports linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.2-all-amd64 linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.2-common linux-headers-4.19.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 linux-image-amd64 linux-image-4.19.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
02:01<jm_>!bpo kernel
02:01<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <stretch-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
02:02<jm_>use apt instead of aptitude if you use that normally
02:02<Dyntaos>ah ok cool. i used to always use apt-get. ive been making a point to use apt now
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02:15<twb>dpkg: I just do this:
02:15<dpkg>twb: bugger all, i dunno
02:15<twb>apt install linux-image-amd64/stretch-backports
02:15<twb>oh, he left
02:15<twb>Using -t instead of / is easier but more dangerous
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03:04<sarnold>sdk,mnuhmnuh, huh, I wonder when -u was turned into a noop :)
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05:08<KamiNuvini>Hi all, I have a question regarding CVE-2019-6454 - https://www.debian.org/security/2019/dsa-4393 - does this require a system reboot since it affects pid 1 ?
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05:11<kinlo>systemd is capabe of re-executing itself, using the same pid
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05:24<peter1138>Will it restart itself if it is crashed by the flaw?
05:27<sarnold>if the systemd flaw is tripped the kernel will panic. you'll have to reboot at that point
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09:15<mnuhmnuh>sarnold: -u disappeared when --no-show-upgraded was added, i guess. this's why we have apt-listchanges, no? we tell noobs to rtfm; any wonder why they can't be bothered when tfm is wrong?
09:16<sarnold>mnuhmnuh: apt-listchanges is too much, I just wanted the packages, hehe
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12:39<keycollector>Default NAT network is not providing my VMs network access. What can i do to troubleshoot this?
12:40<keycollector>They are able to resolve DNS, but nothing else.
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12:49<duclicsic>keycollector: i'd suggest making a pastebin of the output from 'ip addr', 'ip route' and 'iptables-save' on one of the VMs, and the same from the hypervisor, then link them here so we can take a look.
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13:07<keycollector>Host 'ip address' ... https://pastebin.com/QCC4ZMx4
13:07<keycollector>Host 'ip route' ... https://pastebin.com/0nrBbtpr
13:07<keycollector>Host 'iptables-save' ... https://pastebin.com/YdEPwBAy
13:07<keycollector>Host 'cat /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/default.xml' ... https://pastebin.com/557VzwXw
13:07<keycollector>VM 'ip address' ... https://i.imgur.com/152dMsz.png
13:07<keycollector>VM 'ip route' ... https://i.imgur.com/Bdj6sc1.png
13:07<keycollector>VM 'iptables-save' ... https://i.imgur.com/Tqv5gD2.png
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13:08<grove>keycollector: One(!) pastebin with all of it
13:08<keycollector>sorry :( I know for next time
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13:17<keycollector>I tried to purge the KVM related packages hoping maybe a config file was the cause but it didnt seem to do anything. Im unable to get the default network to work, even though it was working last night.
13:23<keycollector>https://pastebin.com/hBHcsuGV
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14:03<duclicsic>keycollector: I can't see anything obviously wrong from a quick glance
14:03<ttewr>Hello I'm trying to install(LVM + Encrypted) Debian 9.8(netinst ISO). However after confirming to erase old partitions on the selected drive the screen goes blue and nothing happens. Syslog says: FATAL: Module dm-thin-pool not found
14:03<duclicsic>keycollector: can the VM ping 192.168.1.1 ?
14:04<ttewr>But there aren't anymore logs after the screen goes blue.
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14:09<petn-randall>ttewr: Can you switch to other terminals? There should be one with the log from the installer.
14:10<petn-randall>ttewr: I'm guessing that error is only cosmetical, as the installer will just load all the modules it can find before starting the partitioning tool.
14:11<petn-randall>!tell ttewr -about crosspost
14:13<ttewr>petn-randall: I can swap to other ttys If you mean that. There aren't anymore logs(dmesg, syslog, partman) created after the installer basically hangs. There's a previous Proxmox installation on the drive which was installing just fine.
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14:18<keycollector>duclicsic: The VM cannot.
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14:19<keycollector>It can however ping the Host
14:24<duclicsic>keycollector: is IP forwarding definitely enabled on the host? check 'sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward'
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14:34<keycollector>duclicsic: It equals 1, so yes.
14:34<duclicsic>keycollector: ok I'd get a ping going from a VM to 192.168.1.1 and run a tcpdump on interface wlp5s0 of the host to see if the pings are going out
14:35<duclicsic>tcpdump -nn -i wlp5s0 icmp
14:35<duclicsic>or better 'tcpdump -nn -i wlp5s0 icmp and host 192.168.1.1'
14:35<keycollector>Okay, ill give that a try.
14:36<duclicsic>could be that it's just the responses not coming back, but this will help narrow down the possibilities
14:37<ttewr>After trying to delete the old volumegroup manually with 'vgremove pve' I get an error which says thin-pool support is missing. So If I wipe the drive I should be fine right?
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14:38<sqrt{not}>ttewr: are you installing to the bare metal machine, or VM ?
14:39<ttewr>sqrt{not}, bare metal machine
14:41<sqrt{not}>ttewr: then yes, you should be good if you can wipe all old stuff from the drive. Let the installer do it before you start anything about LVM, etc.
14:41<keycollector>duclicsic: Not seeing any captured packets with the 'tcpdump -nn -i wlp5s0 icmp and host 192.168.1.1'
14:42<ttewr>sqrt{not}, the installer will just get stuck with the error I named.
14:43<duclicsic>keycollector: and just to double-check, change the interface you capture on to virbr0
14:43<duclicsic>you should at least be seeing the packets arrive there
14:43<keycollector>Yep, looks like i am.
14:44<sqrt{not}>ttewr: if you have another means to wipe it to "unallocated space" , go for it.
14:47<duclicsic>keycollector: hmm. we might be suffering from some issues with the whole iptables/nftables switch maybe. as the iptables-save output suggests it might be worth checking the output of iptables-legacy-save
14:48<duclicsic>make sure there are no rules there that woulld drop the forwarded traffic
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15:02<keycollector>duclicsic: Still looking at it myself, but heres the outputs https://pastebin.com/Z0DBrNBz
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15:03<duclicsic>keycollector: you included the output of iptables-save twice, no iptables-legacy-save
15:04<keycollector>opps
15:04<duclicsic>also iptables -L is basically useless because it omits interface constraints
15:04<keycollector>ill fix
15:04<keycollector>iptables-legacy-save is still there at bottom, i didnt clearly seperate it though
15:05<duclicsic>ah ok
15:05<duclicsic>yeah it's the legacy rules breaking it
15:05<keycollector>I stuggle to read these, i need to learn. What do you see?
15:06<keycollector>Give me a sec, i wanna find it myself ha
15:06<duclicsic>i'm still living in the past before this nftables switch, so i'm not sure of the correct way to work with the legacy rules, but I'd guess 'iptables-legacy -P FORWARD ACCEPT' will fix your issue
15:06<duclicsic>the policy on the FORWARD chain is set to DROP and there are no rules explicitly accepting this traffic
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15:08<keycollector>You fixed it :)
15:08<duclicsic>cool :)
15:09<duclicsic>i'd probably flush out whatever is in the legacy rules and make sure you're not going to load them again on boot.
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15:10<keycollector>How would i do/ensure that?
15:10<keycollector>Im trying to read the iptables debian wiki so i can learn this.
15:11<duclicsic>depends, if you have netfilter-persistent installed there might be config files in /etc/iptables/
15:11<duclicsic>but they might also be the configs for your proper rules that we want to keep
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15:11<keycollector>It may have been me installing docker that caused this, cause i think it was working up unitll the point i installed docker. And it looks like docker edits this file.
15:11<duclicsic>yes that could very well be the case
15:12<duclicsic>docker mucks about with your rules
15:16<keycollector>Thank you very much for the assistance. It might have took me days alone to figure this out.
15:16<keycollector>Much appreciated.
15:16<duclicsic>you're welcome
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16:10<Posterdati>hi
16:10<Posterdati>please help, I've got this error on stretch amd64 using git: gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed.
16:11<Posterdati>is git broken for stretch?
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16:17<jmcnaught>not broken here
16:18<Posterdati>in a forum they told to remove libgnutls-deb0-28 but it is impossible due to deps
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16:19<jmcnaught>maybe if you show the command and full output in a pastebin someone will know what's going on
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16:20<Posterdati>$ git clone https://github.com/froggey/MBuild.git Cloning into 'MBuild'... fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/froggey/MBuild.git/': gnutls_handshake() failed: Public key signature verification has failed.
16:21<jmcnaught>,info libgnutls-deb0-28
16:22<judd>No package named 'libgnutls-deb0-28' was found in stretch/amd64.
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16:22<Posterdati>uh!
16:23<synthea>Why two days after my bugreport at libdbus-glib-1-2 no one answers?
16:23<Posterdati>ri libgnutls-deb0-28:amd64 3.3.8-6+deb8u6 amd64 GNU TLS library - main runtime library
16:24<Posterdati>why I can't remove it?
16:24<jmcnaught>so that's a jessie package, can you show output when you try to remove it?
16:25<jmcnaught>!bat
16:25<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
16:25<jmcnaught>Posterdati: ^ that info could be helpful too if you're making a paste
16:25<Posterdati>jmcnaught: there -> https://pastebin.com/8rtEnhnA
16:25<itd>synthea: 'cause sometimes life happens.
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16:27<synthea>itd: yes but I mean, is it normal? Is this team on low-staff?
16:27<Posterdati>jmcnaught: ?
16:28<synthea>Most times when I filed bugreports the answer was quick
16:29<jmcnaught>Posterdati: well something obviously wrong, I suspect perhaps an incomplete upgrade from jessie to stretch. Also all those packages proposed for autoremove, maybe you're missing metapackages like task-kde-desktop?
16:29<Posterdati>mmmh
16:29<Posterdati>let me check
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16:30<Posterdati>task-kde-desktop is already the newest version (3.39).
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16:32<jmcnaught>Posterdati: can you provide the rest of the information requested in the !bat factoid above please? For step 2 because there are so many packages maybe just a few important ones
16:32<Posterdati>ok
16:32<itd>synthea: It depends, I guess. (But IMHO anything < 7 days is very fast.)
16:33<synthea>itd: oh, so I guess it's normal then
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16:34<Posterdati>jmcnaught: https://paste.debian.net/1069216/
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16:35<Posterdati>jmcnaught: what if I remove it?
16:37<jmcnaught>Posterdati: that's a lot of stuff it wants to remove if you remove the libgnutls-deb0-28 package. What does it say if you run "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
16:37<Posterdati>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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16:42<jmcnaught>Posterdati: have you ever installed stuff from non-Debian repositories? Have you pinned any packages?
16:42<Posterdati>no
16:42<Posterdati>I installed virtualbox and steam from their repositories
16:43<Posterdati>no pinned, but I installed virtualbox and steam from their repositories
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16:45<jmcnaught>Posterdati: what does "apt-cache policy libcurl3-gnutls" say?
16:46<Posterdati>jmcnaught: https://paste.debian.net/1069220/
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16:49<jmcnaught>Posterdati: I was trying to figure out from your first pastebin why it wanted to remove git. git depends on libcurl3-gnutls, which depends on libgnutls30 on stretch, but depends on libgnutls-deb0-28 on jessie. You however have the stretch version of libcurl3-gnutls
16:50<Posterdati>exactly! How it could happen this???
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16:50<jmcnaught>Posterdati: if you have aptitude installed you can try "aptitude why libgnutls-deb0-28" also running "aptitude ~o" to see obsolete packages (installed but not in repos) might be interesting too
16:51<jmcnaught>errr "aptitude search ~o"
16:51<Posterdati>https://paste.debian.net/1069225/
16:52<Posterdati>https://paste.debian.net/1069226/
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16:54<jmcnaught>Posterdati: okay so that librtmp1 package has broken dependencies (the "B" flag in the first column), what version of that package is installed?
16:55<Posterdati>ii librtmp1:amd64 2:2.4~20150315.gita10 amd64 Toolkit for RTMP streams (shared library)
16:57<jmcnaught>that's the jessie version of that package, what does "apt-cache policy librtmp1" say?
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16:58<Posterdati>https://paste.debian.net/1069228/
17:00-!-mode/#debian [+l 387] by debhelper
17:00<jmcnaught>okay there's a -dmo1 in the package name, so that package isn't from debian but from deb-multimedia.org
17:00<jmcnaught>!dmo
17:00<dpkg>We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm stretch>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove>.
17:01<jmcnaught>!dmm remove
17:01<dpkg>If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ...
17:02<Posterdati>doing right now
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17:06<Posterdati>removing
17:07<Posterdati>jmcnaught: maybe they were packages installed long ago and I forgot them
17:07<jmcnaught>Posterdati: probably a few years ago
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17:17<Posterdati>jmcnaught: I updated from lenny
17:17<Posterdati>:)
17:17<jmcnaught>nice
17:17<Posterdati>so lenny -> jessie -> stretch if I recall correctly
17:17<Posterdati>never had a problem
17:17<Posterdati>never
17:18<jmcnaught>you forgot squeeze and wheezy
17:18<Posterdati>sorry
17:18<Posterdati>so lenny squeeze -> wheezy -> jessie -> stretch if I recall correctly
17:18<Posterdati>or wheezy -> squeeze????
17:19<Posterdati>:)
17:19<Posterdati>anyway I started long ago
17:19<jmcnaught>yeah I've never had package problems myself, but the deb-multimedia repos (which I haven't used) apparently can cause problems from time to time
17:19<Posterdati>with the same machine
17:19<Posterdati>Athlon X2 64 with 8 GB
17:20<Posterdati>fantastic!
17:20<Posterdati>is there any M$ user that can say that?
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17:25<Posterdati>jmcnaught: I found OpenBSD in the same level of reliability
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17:30<nickgaw>Hi, I am totally blind and wish to find a debian live system to use as rescuing and maintaining my current system is there any debian live system that supports 64 bit booting but can run 32 bit execicutables?
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17:40<Posterdati>jmcnaught: anyway thanks for help
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17:53<itd>nickgaw: link 1 is "only" a netinst iso image, but should work for both 32 and 64 bit systems (and hence also executables for those, I think). 1: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/
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17:54<jmcnaught>Posterdati: oh yeah sorry I wandered off. Did you get everything working?
17:55<Posterdati>no
17:55<Posterdati>removing the obsoletes by hand
17:56<jmcnaught>well good luck :)
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17:56<synthea>For some reason on my keyboard when I press 3 on the console from the little numspace I get tilde instead. I suspect that my layout is wrong, how can I know the correct layout and set it through keyboard-configuration?
17:58<sqrt{not}>synthea: did you try pressing Num Lock first, then try the 3 ?
17:58<piper>nickgaw: did you mean blind as true vision problem or blind as couldn't use a search engine
17:58<synthea>sqrt{not}: oh, thx
18:03<piper>nickgaw: if blind as vision you can look at ADRIANE (knoppix) http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-adriane/index-en.html, if not really blind ignore
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20:07<mnuhmnuh>i'm trying to learn wajig; barely started. "wajig bug ..." is supposed to "Check reported bugs in package ..." instead, it executes reportbug. whay?
20:18<piper>because thats what its supposed to do > check reported bugs in package using the bebian bug tracker
20:18<piper>bebian/debian
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20:28<piper>https://togaware.com/linux/survivor/wajig.html https://wajig.togaware.com/
20:29<piper>it's ok, been around for years, it's not bad, easy to get used to, i still prefer apt
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