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01:42<Posterdati>jmcnaught: hi! I solved the problem
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01:45<Posterdati>jmcnaught: aptituded downgraded librtmp1 that was from dmo and it reinstalled the original debian, then I was able to remove all the obsoletes
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03:42<minikdo>hi, what's the lightest window manager I could launch on debian buster on rpi3? awesome, i3, xmonad?
03:43<minikdo>I need to autostart a web browser on rpi3 with the certain url
03:43<minikdo>only
03:43<at0m>minikdo: i don't think you need a windowmanager for that, but can start the browser from something like xinit
03:44<minikdo>chromium?
03:44<at0m>https://askubuntu.com/questions/79804/run-a-gui-program-at-startup-on-top-of-x-with-no-window-manager
03:45<sarnold>minikdo: evilwm is pretty small
03:45<minikdo>at0m: this is what I need. Thx!
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03:47<minikdo>btw. the lightest browser?
03:48<codingquark>How light is w3m?
03:49<petn-randall>codingquark: about 3 grams.
03:49<codingquark>Arguably the lightest then.
03:49<minikdo>;-)
03:49<codingquark>I shall ask eww to disclose its weight.
03:49<minikdo>awesome is 2.8 g
03:50<minikdo>KDE?
03:52<at0m>minikdo: have a look at dillo, links2
03:52<at0m>apt show dillo
03:53<minikdo>at0m: thx
03:53<petn-randall>But is awesomewm lighter than a RPi3?
03:53<at0m>dpkg: tell minikdo about raspbian
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04:02<minikdo>to run xinit I need Xorg server, right?
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04:04<jm_>yes, it recommends it anyway
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06:59<peter1138>Hmm, is there an CLI FTPS client?
07:00<peter1138>Ah, lftp
07:02<codingquark>Gajim complains about OpenSSL not being available. If I `apt install python-cryptography`, it refuses to start. However, if I `pip install python-cryptography` then it complains about connection being insecure because OpenSSL is not available.
07:02<codingquark>How should I solve this?
07:03<codingquark>In omemoplugin.py: `ImportError: No module named ciphers`
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07:04<jm_>is this all with package versions from stable?
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07:05<codingquark>Full log here: https://pastebin.com/bR12nAgp
07:05<codingquark>jm_: Yes, stable.
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07:06<codingquark>I have non-free repos, but I have only installed emacs docs from there.
07:06<codingquark>Haven't added sid
07:08<jm_>codingquark: including omemo plugin?
07:08<jm_>I am asking because of this line /home/user/.local/share/gajim/plugins/omemo/omemoplugin.py
07:09<codingquark>I am really sorry, I explained it the other way. If I `pip install cryptography` before installing `apt install gajim gajim-omemo`, gajim refuses to start. So, I have removed pip's cryptography.
07:09<codingquark>jm_: I see. I do not recall putting the plugin there.
07:09<jm_>ok that answers it, have you tried using gajim from backports?
07:10<codingquark>jm_: no. But may be I had tried to copy all the plugins in that directory.
07:10<jm_>codingquark: I would expect it to work after apt install python-crypto
07:10<codingquark>I am not sure.
07:11<jm_>codingquark: there's a newer version in backports:
07:11<codingquark>jm_: should I remove the ./local version of it.
07:11<jm_>,versions gajim
07:11<judd>Package: gajim on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.15.1-4.1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.15.1-4.1+deb7u3; jessie: 0.16-1+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 0.16.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.16.6-1.1; jessie-backports-sloppy: 0.16.8-3~bpo8+1; sid: 1.1.2-1; stretch-backports: 1.1.2-2~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.2-2
07:12<jm_>codingquark: I am not really sure (I don't use gajim) -- maybe it's normal that it puts some things there for plugins one uses, maybe check that dir first and see if it's entire plugin there or what
07:13<jm_>or maybe try it as another user and don't use pip with that user at all
07:13<codingquark>I can confirm that `apt install gajim gajim-omemo` creates the .local/share dir
07:13<jm_>that can't be
07:14<codingquark>Let me give you new logs. It was not apt install, but while trying to run gajim, it has created.
07:14<jm_>yeah that I believe :)
07:15<codingquark>I have pip uninstall'd cryptography. apt removed gajim gajim-omemo. Tried reinstalling gajim gajim-omemo (which has python-cryptography as dep).
07:15<jm_>do you get the same error as a user with clean home dir?
07:15<codingquark>I don't have such a user...
07:15<jm_>if you do, then try the versions from bpo
07:15<jm_>create it, it's trivial, won't take much space + you can remove it immediately after the test
07:16<codingquark>Okay
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07:17<jm_>https://debian-administration.org/article/2/Adding_new_users
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07:17<jm_>the command itself can create the dir if called correctly
07:18<jm_>(useradd that is)
07:18<codingquark>Of course.
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07:20<sim590>I have this file under /etc/udev/rules.d/00-usb-keyboards.rules with some rules. They are not loaded properly before I do sudo udevadm control --reload-rules. I have to do that every time I reboot. Why?
07:20<sim590>Shouldn't they proc by themselves once in the folder after a reboot.
07:21<jm_>sim590: tried update-initramfs -u?
07:22<sim590>No. Let me try that.
07:22<sim590>Should I have to reboot now?
07:23<jm_>well not needed, but check if it helped at next reboot
07:23<sim590>My rules don't work for the moment.
07:24<sim590>I'll reboot and check if that helped.
07:24<jm_>ahh I thought you already ran that this time
07:26<sim590>Didn't help.
07:27<sim590>Now I ran udevadm control --reload-rules and my rule ran. That's abnormal.
07:27<sim590>It seems like a bug. Am I crazy? The file is in the directory.
07:27<sim590>It's a symbolic link though
07:28<sim590>Could that be that the system doesn't follow symbolic links for some reason?
07:28<sim590>But udevadm control --reload-rules does...
07:28<jm_>ahh it looks like it only adds rules from /lib/udev to initrd image
07:29<jm_>where does it point at?
07:30<sim590>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/187995/udev-not-running-rule-at-boot. Could that be the prefix number?
07:30<sim590>jm_: /etc/udev/rules.d are not added at boot??
07:30<sim590>I thought it was a standard directory.
07:32<jm_>sim590: they should be when udev service starts
07:33<sim590>udev is enabled and started when I reboot so.. :/
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07:33<sim590>I changed the prefix number to 99. I'll check if that changes something...
07:34<codingquark>jm_: you were right, starting gajim from the new user worked.
07:35<sim590>jm_: Nope. Didn't change a thing.
07:35<sim590>jm_: My symlinks points to some file under ~/rootfiles/etc/udev/rules.d/
07:36<jm_>codingquark: so probably one shouldn't mix things with debian versions and what you get with pip - use the version from backports if you want a newer one
07:36<sim590>I use git to keep versions of my configuration files.
07:36<jm_>sim590: so on the same file system?
07:36<codingquark>jm_: I would be happy to get rid of the pip version. Is it only about cryptography?
07:36<sim590>jm_: They are two separate partitions. Could that be a problem?
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07:37<sim590>Seems like a good explanation depending on the moment the rules files are loaded.
07:37<jm_>sim590: possibly yes, maybe test it by replacing the symlink with the actual file
07:37<sim590>jm_: yeh
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07:37<jm_>codingquark: not just that, whatever you install with pip can interact badly with version from debian
07:38<codingquark>I see.
07:38<codingquark>Sad.
07:39<jm_>it won't always be like that, but it will happen sooner or later
07:41<codingquark>Yeah, I should have opted for venv.
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07:42<sim590>jm_: yep. That was it. Thanks for help.
07:43<jm_>sim590: no worries
07:43<codingquark>jm_: thanks a lot!
07:43<jm_>codingquark: enjoy
07:47*codingquark adds backports to sources
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09:07<Khady>Hey. I have the default partitionning created by the debian installer when choosing lvm + encryption. I just deleted the swap using swapoff -a; lvremove /dev/debian-vg/swap_1 ; lvextend -l +100%FREE /dev/debian-vg/root; resize2fs /dev/debian-vg/root
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09:07<Khady>then disabled the partition in the fstab
09:08<Khady>but now when I boot, I have a message saying that lvmetad doesn't find by swap_1 group. From what I found on the internet, the solution would be to disable lvmetad. Is there something better to do? To let it know that my swap partition doesn't exist anymore and there is no need to look for it
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09:31<Khady>real solution seems to edit /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume to disable resume
09:34<Khady>https://paste.isomorphis.me/T1h if it might help someone one day
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10:21<synthea>If I have sshd configured for listening on only certain addresses, the interface loses the addresses and then have them back, will sshd listen on these addresses without problems?
10:23<duclicsic>yes
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10:59<synthea>I'm using sysvinit and I've read that custom runlevels can be set and called at command, what changes are needed?
10:59<petn-randall>synthea: none. Changing runlevels works out of the box.
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11:00<synthea>petn-randall: I mean using non-standard runlevels like 7-8-9
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11:04<synthea>brb
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11:08<synthea>Here again
11:11<synthea>petn-randall: the problem is that update-rc.d doesn't put links in 7-8-9 runlevels when specified in their INIT INFO part
11:13<sarnold>I'm just surprised that the seven levels don't meet your needs -- I can't recall ever seeing all in use on any system anywhere
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11:18<petn-randall>synthea: Where do you read that more than 6 are supported?
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11:20<synthea>petn-randall: I've read it on an article, couldn't find it
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11:20<petn-randall>Maybe ask them then?
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11:53<ozars>hello. i started having issues with firefox audio on buster. is there anyone who could help me troubleshoot the issue?
11:54<grove>On wheezy init(8) had the sentence "Runlevels 7-9 are also valid, though not really documented."
11:54<sdk>ozars: #debian-next would be a better place if you need support with buster
11:54<ozars>ok tx.
11:55<petn-randall>!tell ozars -about crosspost
11:56<ozars>got it.
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12:32<DrZaius>We dont have icon in font awesome :D https://fontawesome.com/icons?d=gallery&q=linux
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13:37<sdk>DrZaius: have a look at https://forkaweso.me/Fork-Awesome/icons/ ;) There's one for linux, debian and one or two other distro.
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14:16<Talkless>apt list --upgradable shows me this:
14:16<Talkless>linux-image-4.9.0-8-armmp-lpae/stable 4.9.144-3 armhf [upgradable from: 4.9.130-2]
14:17<Talkless>here, the 3.1 fixed version is specified: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=922478
14:17<Talkless>bug is marked as Done, so we need to wait for some time until int actually comes to stretch?
14:19<arto>Talkless: thumb rule: stable only gets security updates
14:19<Talkless>arto: but it introduced a regression
14:21<Talkless>in 9.8 release
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15:04<ozars>arto: backports?
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15:07<arto>ozars: seems kernel bug, I'd guess Debian relaeses fix when it is available
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15:15<plugwash>is there any way to tell apt to ignore key expiry?
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15:24<piper>in pure debian (and siduction 5.0 + kernels) and mozilla's firefox not seeing this issue (pulseaudio) with kernels 4.19.0-2-amd64 and higher
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17:28<oo_miguel>hmm what can I do if I require two conflicting libs. (libfreetype6-dev:i386 AND libfreetype6-dev:amd64 for building wine in my particular case)
17:30<oo_miguel>the non-dev versions of the packages seem not to conflict..
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17:33<synthea>sarnold, found it Runlevels 7-9 are also valid, though not really documented. This is because "traditional" Unix variants don't use them.
17:33<synthea>https://manpages.debian.org/testing/sysvinit-core/init.8.en.html
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17:37<synthea>So, I'd want to use them
17:38<tsundoku>this is my first time here, but I've got a question about packages and version control
17:38<tsundoku>I'm used to Arch but I'm considering Debian for its multi-architecture support, and I have a handful of custom packages I'll want to use
17:39<tsundoku>in a system like Arch PKGBUILD or RPM SPEC, there is one file that says how to create the package and it's commonplace to just have a directory of them in a git repository, but debian is a bit more intricate
17:40<tsundoku>I'm reading some things about git-buildpackage but the assumption seems to be that you're going to have one repository for one package
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17:40<tsundoku>I'm wondering if it would make sense at all to have a repository with git-buildpackage being used for submodules
17:41<tsundoku>or something like that... some clean way to have sources for multiple Debian packages in a single git repository
17:41<synthea>tsundoku: It is not necessary to having a folder, you can create and write files also manually
17:41<synthea>*git
17:42<tsundoku>sure
17:42<tsundoku>although the directory structure of debian packaging makes that seem complicated
17:42<tsundoku>because it's all intermingled with the package source, and the directory is called "debian" in each case
17:42<synthea>Fundamental files are debian/control, debian/changelog, debian/rules and (optionally) debian/copyright and debian/source/format
17:43<tsundoku>I suppose I could do something like... apt-get source $PACKAGE and then manually go into the resulting directory's debian/ and git clone my own stuff into it
17:43<tsundoku>but that seems messy
17:43<tsundoku>ideally I'd like to be able to clone a whole repository and begin building packages in it rather than swapping in my own components piecemeal
17:44<synthea>Anyway it's not the proper channel for these questions, go to #packaging
17:44<tsundoku>okay
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19:11<k-man>any idea how i can work out why my usb flash stick isn't auto mounting when i insert it? it shows up in dmsg but doesn't auto mount and show up in gnome
19:13<k-man>hmmm - maybe its just turned off in the gnome settings
19:15<k-man>the setting was set to not automount. I turned it on, but still no auto mount
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19:44<mnuhmnuh>k-man: does it work when you mount i manually? sudo mount -t $fstype /dev/blah /mount/point
19:45<k-man>mnuhmnuh, yes
19:46<mnuhmnuh>gnome. pthoo.
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19:54<somiaj>!cross-post
19:54<dpkg>Posting the same question in several places at the same time (IRC channels, news groups, mailing lists, forums) is impolite; your time is NOT more valuable than everyone else's. Your question might be answered elsewhere, meanwhile we are wasting our time doing research for a problem you've already solved. Cross-posting can also make you look like a spammer and get you k:lined. See also <multiple ask> <hurry>.
19:54<somiaj>k-man: since I see you talking about this on two different networks
19:54<k-man>ok sorry
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20:44<synthea>https://manpages.debian.org/testing/sysvinit-core/init.8.en.html says that runlevels 7-9 are also valid, how can I use them?
20:47<somiaj>synthea: are you actually using sysvinit? Debian has swtiched to systemd by default (though still supports sysv)
20:48<synthea>somiaj: yes, I'm using sysvinit
20:48<somiaj>I'm unsure if any of the debian tools will support 7-9 by default, you may have to manually create the /etc/rc{7,8,9}.d directories and put the links in there.
20:49<somiaj>by debian tools, I mean thinks like update-rc.d to automatically create the links for what is run in the different run levels
20:50<synthea>somiaj: I've created the /etc/rc7.d and then tried to use update-rc.d, he totally ignored the mention to runlevel 7 in a modified initscript
20:50<somiaj>I'm not too surprised, so you'll probably have to manually create all the links
20:52<synthea>somiaj: there isn't a way to tell to update-rc.d to support these runlevels? From what I've seen it's a perl script
20:52<somiaj>not that I know of, you may have to manually edit the perl script
20:53<synthea>Unfortunately I'm not good at perl
20:53<somiaj>This is not something I know much about, but my guess is the metion of supporting more run levels is more that sysv supports them, but not that the tools for them are nicely setup
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20:55<synthea>somiaj: there must be something, the description of update-rc.d is # update-rc.d Update the links in /etc/rc[0-9S].d/
20:55<somiaj>maybe it is the LSB header is the issue, but you could manually tell update-rc.d what run levels to use?
20:56<somiaj>i.e. you can tell update-rc.d what run levels to use (vs using what is in the LSB header)
20:58<synthea>somiaj: sudo update-rc.d -n initservice defaults 7 doesn't seem to work
21:00<somiaj>maybe the defaults overrides the 7 using the LSB header stuff, try to just manually put it in 7 (its been a while since I've used these tools so I'm mostly just guessing here)
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21:01<somiaj>update-rc.d -n initservive enable 7
21:01<somiaj>that should manually enable it in runlevel 7
21:05<synthea>somiaj: just got a bit the issue. updade-rc.d doesn't really link the services, it asks to insserv. I tried it and it doesn't make what he sould do in that case
21:07<synthea>problem is, no insserv, no automatic dependencies resolution
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22:39<synthea>somiaj: got why it's pretty futile to modify update-rc.d: all the work is made by insserv, update-rc.d is just a wrapper
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