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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-02-24

---Logopened Sun Feb 24 00:00:17 2019
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00:06-!-SkarmoutsosV is "Vangelis Skarmoutsos" on #debian-i18n #debian-next #debian
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00:27<soulseeker>darby dragons?
00:29*mnuhmnuh it's back!
00:29<mnuhmnuh>soulseeker: do you have a debian support question?!?
00:31<soulseeker>did eightyeight interrupt my download serverside?
00:31<soulseeker>usually near the end of the download after an hour or so of downloading the download corrupts
00:32<soulseeker>mnuhmnuh: is this another round of nowin botscripting
00:32<soulseeker>yell like a cartoon and call the police
00:33<soulseeker>sancho with a badge
00:34<soulseeker>I have plenty of support queries but all you do is respond as if it isn't asked
00:34<soulseeker>I asked about three times earlier if it was run of the mill debian before an answer
00:35<themill>soulseeker: you asked incomprehensible nonsense.
00:35<soulseeker>what sort of lingo do you want
00:35<soulseeker>medium verbose colleigate?
00:36<themill>English would be fine for this channel
00:36<soulseeker>what does that mean?
00:36<soulseeker>an imperial cryptogram
00:37<soulseeker>supporting only nowin botscripts
00:37-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
00:37<@themill>soulseeker: that's enough noisy nonsense from you, thanks
00:38-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@00028bd5.user.oftc.net] by ChanServ
00:38-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
00:40<eightyeight>soulseeker: pardon?
00:41<mnuhmnuh>eightyeight: that's what we've all been saying. :-)
00:41<eightyeight>heh. i see he was also quieted. fair enough. :-)
00:42*eightyeight goes back to working with graphviz
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00:44<mnuhmnuh>when i say /topic, does output go to the channel, or just to me?
00:44<cheers>just to you
00:44<themill>It looks like ***** to us
00:44<cc>it looks like a bot
00:44<mnuhmnuh>ty.
00:44<cc>and not a very good one
00:46<mnuhmnuh>themill: wut?
00:46<themill>hunter2
00:47<cheers>hey, that's my password >:(
00:47<themill>http://bash.org/?244321
00:48*mnuhmnuh why am i so confused all of a sudden?!?
00:49<themill>dpkg, confuse mnuhmnuh
00:49<dpkg>Yes, where was their hamster tomorrow, mnuhmnuh? Lederhosen of the Dictatorship of Tahiti with extra herring.
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00:54<mnuhmnuh>i prefer esc-x spook
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00:58<mnuhmnuh>ah. i'm enlightened. stars? i thought they were called splats.
00:58<mnuhmnuh>waka waka bang splat ...
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01:23<mnuhmnuh>https://paste.debian.net/1069905/
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01:24*mnuhmnuh bow, bow, exit stage left.
01:25<at0m>mnuhmnuh: sure you're posting in the right chan?
01:25<mnuhmnuh>do you have a debian support question?!? :-)
01:27<at0m>lately when i do anything apt, i don't see etckeeper play with it anymore. but that's on buster.
01:30<mnuhmnuh>never went there, but it would be a good thing if done right. journalctl? /var/log/messages? does etckeeper log itself?
01:31<mnuhmnuh>also, recommend wajig. it logs its actions.
01:35<at0m>mnuhmnuh: it logs itself in /etc/.git/logs
01:35<at0m>and file dates there are current, so i guess it's doing its thing
01:36<mnuhmnuh>at0m: so, no errors seen in journalctl?
01:36<mnuhmnuh>& etc.?
01:37<at0m>nothing in journalctl
01:37<mnuhmnuh>assume makes an ass of u and me, or sumfin.
01:42<mnuhmnuh>at0m: have you fiddled in any way with etckeeper's or apt's configs (-quiet or whatever)? just guessing/thrashing about.
01:43*mnuhmnuh smoke break.
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03:33<saket__>can any one help me please?
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06:48<phylophyl>Hi, any idea why debian is not supporting EGo therium application? Thanks a lot.
06:48<phylophyl>Go Etherium sorry
06:53<bremner>phylophyl: one possibility is that no-one volunteered to package it
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07:05<phylophyl>@bremner, ok thanks a lot
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07:28<Posterdati>hi
07:29<Posterdati>please I need help to run Debian 9.8 for amd64 on a Ryzen 5 2400g, I read on a forum that I need kernel 4.18 to have the graphics, is it so bad?
07:30<towo`>try buster
07:30<towo`>you will not have many fun with debian stable
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07:41<Posterdati>is buster out?
07:41<bremner>no
07:41<bremner>and telling beginners to switch to buster is probably not a great plan.
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07:48<Posterdati>bremner: beginner? Who? Me?
07:53<towo`>bremner, the alternatives with that hardware are minimal
07:54<towo`>ryzen g hardware needs new kernel, new drm, new mesa and a recent version of x
07:54<furrymcgee>you can try this to run ryzen but this is #debian-next topic because xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu is in testing https://veronneau.org/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-on-debian.html
07:55<towo`>xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu is the least of the problems with ryzen g
07:55<piper>agreed
07:57<Posterdati>ok
07:58<Posterdati>because I built a new pc for a customer and I choose AMD because it is more cost effective compared intel
07:58<Posterdati>now the system is running with a very low graphic setup (800x600)
07:59<Posterdati>but it is working!
07:59<Posterdati>this customer do not want to play games or do graphics
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08:26<lord_rob>Hi! Isn't adding my user to group sudo enough to do "sudo foo" ? I keep seeing that the user isn't listed in /etc/sudoers ?!?
08:30<TobiX>lord_rob: The rule "%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" in sudoers allows all users in group sudo to use sudo for everything. But you might have to relogin for the new group to become effective
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08:34<lord_rob>sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL <----- This is what I have. So % is needed, and not for comments ? (Sorry if it's a stupid question)
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08:36<lord_rob>If this is not the problem, I have relogged many many times on this box
08:37<lord_rob>(Which has been switched off many times)
08:39<lord_rob>yes it was sorry I thought % was for comments
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08:51<dtw>"%sudo" means that the rule applies for users in sudo group.
08:52<dtw>(OK, the person left before my comment.)
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14:58<sqrt{not}>Posterdati: stretch backports has kernel 4.19.16
15:01<mnuhmnuh>,v kernel
15:01<judd>No package named 'kernel' was found in amd64.
15:03<mnuhmnuh>,v linux
15:03<judd>No package named 'linux' was found in amd64.
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15:03<mnuhmnuh>,v linux-image
15:03<judd>No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64.
15:04<sqrt{not}>,v linux-image-amd64
15:04<judd>Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u2; jessie: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch-backports: 4.19+102~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+102; sid: 4.19+102
15:05<sqrt{not}>looks like you don't even get a newer one in buster....
15:05<mnuhmnuh>nor sid
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15:13<Posterdati>sqrt{not}: backports! Shall I add a new repository in /etc/apt/sources.list
15:13<Posterdati>?
15:13<Posterdati>or I can wait for buster
15:14<mnuhmnuh>Posterdati: nothing wrong with backports - deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main contrib non-free
15:20<sqrt{not}>Posterdati: yes, exactly, mnuhmnuh beat me to copying the line. It will probably drag in some newer depends, but not bad. I run the backport kernel here.
15:22<Posterdati>ok
15:22<sqrt{not}>Posterdati: and it only grabs things from -backports when you specifically "install" them (or maybe also if you don't object to it bringing some new depends -- i forget if it asks there too)
15:22<Posterdati>thanks
15:22<Posterdati>I have to run it on a stetch based ryzen 5 2400g with vega graphics
15:23<sqrt{not}>I only ask it to upgrade something to a backports version from inside aptitude interactive, so I can see what all might change.
15:29<sqrt{not}>I do see this line in the changelog of the current bpo kernel:
15:29<sqrt{not}>hwmon: (k10temp) Add support for AMD Ryzen w/ Vega graphics
15:30<sqrt{not}>(that arrived in 4.16.6)
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16:31<sqrt{not}>Note also, for comfort: the update process tracks the latest bpo kernels and the latest non-backport series too, so I now have the choice at boot from 6 different 4.9 kernels, or 2 kernel 4.19, or 2 kernels 4.18, or 2 kernels 4.17
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16:42*mnuhmnuh remembers 1st hard drive was 40 *M*B.
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18:24<rant>mnuhmnuh: boy, you were shittin in the tall cotton.. ym first HDD was 20MB
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18:24<rant>we were thinkin, man, how are we ever gonna use all that?!
18:25<rant>these days that wouldn't hold your favorite photo, song, and ebook :P
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18:32<mnuhmnuh>rant: well, my real 1st was 20 MB, but that was on a 16 bit 8086 (didn't count, imo :-). 40 mb was on '386, which i upgraded to amd '486.
18:34<rant>mine was on a 80286 none of my 8086/8088 machines had HDDs or support for them
18:37<mnuhmnuh>hard to believe we were on cloud 9 running x on a 2 mb matrox, 4 mb ram, 40 mb hard drive. :-O
18:41<mnuhmnuh>i used to sneer at my buddy using trs-80 (radio shack, 40 char line length), until he showed me he'd taught it to speak elvish.
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19:11<sqrt{not}>i added some small HDD onto a 8088, had to buy a huuuuge controller card for it, a couple hundred just for the controller
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19:15<abrotman>!ot
19:15<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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19:42*mnuhmnuh sigh. so busy in here. all these ot discussions drowning out the multitudinous legit support questions. jerks. :-P
19:47*sqrt{not} can't find a stretch installer image for 360K floppies
19:50<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: floppy drive? haven't seen one in years.
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19:53<sqrt{not}>Do I need a license dongle, if I want to run #debian version of emacs ?
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20:10<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: only non-free gnu i know of is their docs; emacs is gpl. been using it forever.
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22:45*rant rhetorically wonders wtf a license dongle and #debian version of emacs are
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