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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-02-26

---Logopened Tue Feb 26 00:00:01 2019
---Daychanged Tue Feb 26 2019
00:00<drakonis>no jack in sight
00:00<synthea>dpkg -l | grep jack says otherwise
00:00<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep jack says otherwise
00:01<drakonis>maybe you did install it?
00:02<synthea>drakonis: I'm sure I've not. I've not installed anything remotely related to audio
00:06<mnuhmnuh>huh. libjack-jackd2-0 is installed here but i never asked for it. "JACK Audio Connection Kit (libraries)".
00:07<drakonis>hm here it is
00:07<drakonis>pulseaudio is installed though
00:07<drakonis>just the client
00:07<drakonis>my mistake then
00:14<drakonis>aight i think i should get some rest
00:14<drakonis>i'm feeling dumb right now
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08:10<cesar>Hey, does anyone use kde with a network proxy that requires username:password authentication? I've tried setting it in system settings and creating environment variables for $http_proxy etc., but it won't work. I can only get it to work inside firefox, and limited to it.
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08:29<duclicsic>cesar: if it requires authentication it is probably a SOCKS5 proxy, not HTTP, so using those environment variables won't work. if you need to make an application with no native proxy settings work, I think you need to use something like tsocks
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08:38<cc>I am trying to understand why output of 'apt-file list libwxgtk3.0-0v5' shows a list of files (as expected) while 'apt-file list libwxgtk3.0-0v5:amd64' shows nothing
08:39<cc>wouldn't the package versions for different architectures provide different files?
08:41<cc>is apt-file not multiarch-aware?
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09:10<cesar>thanks duclicsic , I'm gonna look into that.
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12:10<ml|>Hello, when did apt start to support https in the sources.list?
12:10<ml|>Stretch?
12:12<ml|>To clarify, not using when the apt-transport-https package. But apt on it's own.
12:13<mnuhmnuh>stretch is about when i started seeing it. it was still being rolled out/enabled on repo after repo.
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12:20<jhutchins_wk>It was the change on the repos, not the clients.
12:20<jhutchins_wk>There was a push for https everywhere, even where it doesn't make sense.
12:22<petn-randall>ml|: Just have a look on packages.d.o when apt-transport-https ceased to exist.
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12:30<ml|>jhutchins_wk: Well in the Jessie using https in sources.list fails.
12:30<ml|>petn-randall: Good idea checking, thanks.
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12:33<petn-randall>I don't think any release uses https by default, as it mostly adds complexity without any tangible benefit.
12:33<ml|>https://packages.debian.org/buster/apt-transport-https This is a dummy transitional package - https support has been moved into the apt package in 1.5. It can be safely removed.
12:33<ml|>So not until Buster.
12:34<ml|>Yes, but if it is available why not use it?
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12:47<mnuhmnuh>ml|: it adds a lot of crypto overhead to the process on both server and home side, for possibly/likely spurious benefit. web security, certificate authorities are trash.
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12:56<blast007>I imagine it's also complicated to create/deploy certificates when some of the mirror hostnames point to multiple systems run by different people/organizations
13:01<jhutchins_wk>People got tired of explaining that and implemented it anyway.
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13:01<petn-randall>ml|: The problem is that most mirrors don't support https, and those that run on a CDN will have a TLS certificate not matching the domain.
13:03<petn-randall>It only really works for 3rd party repos that explicitely support it. And even there the benefit is tangible, as the GPG check provides much stronger security than https.
13:05<ml|>Alright, understood; so you guys suggest not using https then, for this use case?
13:06<ml|>Like I said was just using because it is available.
13:07<petn-randall>The rough consensus it not to use it, though there are some voices that advocate it.
13:07<petn-randall>s/it/is/
13:14<ml|>Thank You guys, for your input. May stop using https then.
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13:17<ozars>ml|: dunno if anyone mentioned this but without https any entity between your pc and apt mirror can peep into your traffic.
13:18<mnuhmnuh>ozars: so, they see me dl'ing debs from debian? oooo, scary, we're all gonna die!
13:20<jimpop>peep'ing in on the download is less scary than modifying the download...
13:20<jimpop>modification of http downloads has been proven over and over since the early 2000s
13:21<petn-randall>ozars: You can still do that with https.
13:21<petn-randall>ozars: the size of a package is pretty much unique.
13:21<ml|>ozars: Know that, that is one of the reasons for me using it.
13:21<petn-randall>jimpop: Then the GPG check would fail and you'd get a big fat warning.
13:21*petn-randall has a dejavu of this discussion.
13:22<jimpop>petn-randall: yep, which is what makes it ok
13:22<petn-randall>Btw, you can also mangle HTTPS traffic. In which case also the GPG check fails.
13:22<ozars>petn-randall: fingerprint attacks are impractical in open world. most research only run experiment on a set of users.
13:24<petn-randall>ozars: How is that impractical? Besides, the mirror admins will see every HTTP GET request of yours, too. They don't need to be trusted for the apt-gpg security model to work.
13:24<jimpop>wow, so I saw an odd openvpn error in my syslog file and so i duckduckgo'ed it... only to see that the top 9 results are all hidden redirects to NordVPN.
13:24<jimpop>that's kinda creepy and evil
13:25<jimpop>the specific text is: "AEAD Decrypt error: cipher final failed"
13:25<ozars>it's impractical because somebody needs to specifically target user for training fingerprints. with clear text you can just mine on clear text.
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13:32<mnuhmnuh>jimpop: that is creepy & evil, and i expect ddg will fix it soon. they're a far better choice than the don't be evil bunch from what i've seen.
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13:33<mnuhmnuh>lotsa bad actor vpns out there.
13:33<ozars>yup i was looking for that: https://www.consumerreports.org/consumerist/house-votes-to-allow-internet-service-providers-to-sell-share-your-personal-information/
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13:37<mnuhmnuh>you can almost see the money stream flowing through the air from hollywierd --> congress.
13:37<mnuhmnuh>gettin ot. eof.
13:38<petn-randall>ozars: There is no "training" or "data mining" needed. The file sizes are all reachable from the release file.
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13:42<ozars>to determine personal info like interests of a user you need to correlate metadata, which makes it quite impractical.
13:42<ozars>there isn't one-to-one mapping between packages and tcp/ip packets
13:43<ozars>so you can't tell what package it is by just looking at tcp payload length.
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14:59<tsundoku>just curious... is there any way to tell during the Debian graphical install what kind of partition table it has made?
15:00<tsundoku>I booted it UEFI but when I make partitions it keeps asking me if I want to make a primary or extended partition, so I suspect it may have made an MBR partition table without asking me
15:07<tsundoku>after installing I was able to confirm that it did make an msdos partition table for some reason, and also it installed GRUB without asking
15:07<tsundoku>odd
15:12<cesar>uh, yeah. I just installed debian 9 today on a vm. It showed me the table and asked me if I wanted GRUB before moving on
15:12<cesar>maybe click back/continue a bit
15:12<blast007>was the VM booting in UEFI mode?
15:14<cesar>ah, no
15:26<rwp>cesar, AFAIK the debian-installer makes a GPT table by default if booted in UEFI mode. If using virt-install use --boot=uefi and ensure that package ovmf is installed.
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15:28<zleap>hu
15:28<ach>use recue mode apt get install grub
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15:28<ach>+s
15:30<zleap> /set irc.server.freenode.command "/msg nickserv identify xxxxxxx" what would i replae server.freenode with to auto id
15:30<zleap> server.oftc.command
15:32<zleap>replace
15:34<jhutchins_wk>My first uefi install always halts at boot with a message like "Invalid partition table". If I press escape, it just continues to boot.
15:34<rwp>Is the installer saying that?
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15:36<rwp>I am pretty sure I remember the installer reporting a null partition table and needing a confirmation to write a valid one... I'll try it again to refresh my memory...
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15:41<someusername>hello, when I suspend my laptop (with debian testing with xfce), after logging in again with the username+password, the screen goes fully black and I can't control the brightness and open anyting with the shortcuts (but I can switch to the tty and such). how can I debug this? (is there any logfile pertinent to this?)
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15:42<ach>!dpkg
15:42<dpkg>rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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15:45<itd>zleap: https://www.oftc.net/NickServ/CertFP/
15:45<itd>someusername: testing -> #debian-next
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15:48<zleap>thanks]
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15:50<tsundoku>I made a new partition table in another OS and redid the install using that
15:51<tsundoku>again it tried to install GRUB without asking me, but when it failed, it offered me the option to skip it, which is good enough
15:51<jmcnaught>tsundoku: which installer are you using?
15:52<tsundoku>the graphical installer for 9.8
15:52<tsundoku>amd64
15:53<jmcnaught>are you using the netinst image linked from the debian.org homepage? or is it a live image?
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15:53<tsundoku>netinst
15:54<rwp>tsundoku, It didn't ask you which device to install grub to? It always asks me. Even when there is only one device choice.
15:54<tsundoku>odd
15:54<tsundoku>no, it didn't ask me anything
15:54<tsundoku>it just tried to install GRUB immediately after installing the base system
15:55<rwp>There are two parts to the grub installation. One is the dpkg -i grub-efi or grub-pc part. And then there is the grub-install part. It always does the first automtacally. But that doesn't actually install grub into the bootloader section. That requires the second part.
15:56<tsundoku>I'm certain it means installing the bootloader itself, not installing the grub package
15:57<tsundoku>there's no reason why that would fail
15:57<tsundoku>anyway I'm satisfied that it didn't force me to exit the installer without completing it just because GRUB couldn't be installed, like some distributions' "user-friendly" installers do
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15:57<tsundoku>now I can set up the boot process as I like, in peace
15:58<rwp>Note that during the installation Alt-F2 and Alt-F3 will produce a console where you can manually interact with the installation. Alt-F4 is the debug log tracing window.
15:58<rwp>Either Alt-F1 or whatever it is to get back to the graphical console.
15:58<tsundoku>I tried that already, but it was BusyBox and lacked the tools I wanted (like parted)
15:58<tsundoku>so I didn't get much use out of it
15:58<rwp>It is a limited environment.
15:59<tsundoku>yes
15:59<tsundoku>because of that, I'm booting off of an Arch installer to finish the process
15:59<rwp>It is perfectly fine to partition as you like first and then simply use those partitions at install time. Which is what I gather you did. Good job! :-)
15:59<tsundoku>because it has a normal environment
15:59<tsundoku>the Debian installer wouldn't let me configure the ESP as /boot, either, which I like to do, but that's easy enough to fix after the fact
16:00<rwp>Using /boot as an ESP would be a very atypical installation. I think I would even say not recommended.
16:00<itd>isn't the install mounted somewhere (/target?); might contain what you're looking for (e.g. apt)
16:00<rwp>Because ESP must be a FAT format and /boot really should be a Unix file system.
16:00<tsundoku>I do it in other distributions because it makes EFISTUB booting easier, or rEFInd in the case of multi-boot
16:01<tsundoku>why specifically should /boot be a Unix filesystem?
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16:01<tsundoku>it's just a place where the kernel image and initramfs live
16:01<rwp>itd, One can "chroot /target /bin/bash" and then interact in the freshly installed system with all of the tools that have been installed. But again the tools one wants might not yet be installed.
16:01<tsundoku>that's true, chroot after install
16:02<tsundoku>I was trying to use it to run something like parted before the install and that wasn't possible
16:02<rwp>AFAIK all of the installations into /boot will try to install and set user, group, file mode, and none of that applies to FAT.
16:02<tsundoku>post-install setup in a chroot would work, though.
16:02<tsundoku>what do you mean by installations into /boot
16:03<rwp>However use of /boot is very limited in scope. And so I am sure it does work to overload it as an ESP too. But I still think using a FAT format /boot is ... unusual.
16:03<rwp>It's okay. You don't need to convince me. We all have individual things we do that other people will think are unusual. :-)
16:03<tsundoku>it's entirely for the benefit of EFISTUB and rEFInd
16:04<tsundoku>because rEFInd can automatically detect kernel images found on the ESP
16:04<tsundoku>and in the case of EFISTUB having it there means UEFI can access it directly without needing to use a bootloader as an intermediary
16:04<itd>rwp: thanks, successfully ignored the pre-install part, somehow.
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16:06<rwp>The part of the partman debian-installer that I wish were better is the setting up RAID part. That is always confusing to people. Wish it were better.
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16:36<mnuhmnuh>tsundoku: apologise for coming in late, but ... you don't know the diff. between primary & logical ptns? you can only have four primaries, and any logical ptns have to be inside a primary pttn. that's it.
16:37<mnuhmnuh>or, maybe modern tech/uefi(?) has blown those assumptions to he77 and i'm out of touch.
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16:38*mnuhmnuh i'll go back and catch up now. :-)
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16:43<rwp>mnuhmnuh, GPT partitions don't have primary and logical. That is how it was seen that it wasn't a GPT partition. GPT was desired.
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16:44<mnuhmnuh>yeah, i'm out of touch. tx.
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16:47<rwp>I don't really see the need for UEFI but I think GPT partitions are fine. For GPT it is just a matter of time until everything everywhere supports them and then they will be just wonderful.
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16:47<rwp>UEFI I think will continue to haunt us annoyingly for years though...
16:49<rwp>tsundoku, Question about your unprompted grub install. Is it possible you have preseed selections in effect? Because obviously one can preseed away the prompt. I do that and I have at times confused myself that I have pre-answered some questions and forgotten I had done that.
16:54<mnuhmnuh>networking q. on install, i give it my isp as network, so hostname == me.myisp.ca, so to speak. is there a way to roll back that network name (myisp.ca) to "" (nil)?
16:55<mnuhmnuh>i use dhcp so that'll probably do that anyway; no use me overriding it to what i think it should be til i se what it'll do.
16:58<rwp>mnuhmnuh, Do you mean after install? In the later running system after reboot? Then yes.
16:59<mnuhmnuh>in /etc/networks: link-local NNN.NNN.0.0 - (where N = [0-9]; what is that?
17:00<mnuhmnuh>yes, i want to make that now "". dpkg-reconfigure ... maybe?
17:00<rwp>mnuhmnuh, re link-local addressing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address
17:01<rwp>Unfortunately what needs to happen to change your hostname and domain name depend upon what you have installed and what has been configured. It needs a flowchart or a decision tree of some sort.
17:02<rwp>But to start look at /etc/hostname for the short hostname. That file should contain just the simple hostname without a FQDN domain part.
17:02<rwp>Then update /etc/hosts for the loopback entry hostname and FQDN part.
17:02<rwp>Then if you have installed things like Postfix look at /etc/postfix/main.cf and update the hostname and domain name parts configured there.
17:03<rwp>If changing the hostname it is usually required to restart anything that uses it. In practice rebooting ensures that happens the most easily.
17:04<rwp>If you are using dhcp using dhclient then it depends upon what network management tool is in use. But normal tools allow overriding a dhcp server offered domain name by superseding it in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
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17:04<rwp>If you are using Network Manager however abandon all hope all ye who enter there.
17:04<mnuhmnuh>thanks, that's what i need to know. not fiddling with hostname, but do want exim sane (not bothering isp's mail people).
17:05<rwp>Forgot, Also update /etc/mailname which is a Debian special which is often used in MTA config files.
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17:07<rwp>Also check /etc/network/interfaces in case you have configured a resolvconf setting for domain name and dns search path there.
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17:09<mnuhmnuh>cool, /etc/hosts puts localhost on 127.0.0.1, and me.myisp.ca on 127.0.1.1 (subnet?). :-)
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17:11*mnuhmnuh on second thought, maybe that's what i'm trying to change ...
17:11<rwp>mnuhmnuh, for 127.0.1.1 info https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/08/msg00095.html
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17:13<rwp>I might be able to locate the debian-devel mailing list posting where this all was proposed and discussed many years ago. But I don't have it bookmarked. The above was just what I found on a very quick search.
17:16<rwp>https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/02/msg00577.html is some of it but not all of it.
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17:19<mnuhmnuh>that's from 2013; any progress on that last paragraph? that's a really helpful read, btw; very informative/educational, tx a lot.
17:20<mnuhmnuh>last para of thomas hood at the bottom
17:21<rwp>Yes. Everything was fixed back at that time for the next release. So now it is 10+ years of everything working okay with it.
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17:24<mnuhmnuh>so, /etc/hosts ought to be one line: 127.0.0.1 me.myisp.ca me"?
17:24<rwp>I shouldn't say that. In CAD/EDA environments often very expensive software will make a traditional Unix assumption and needs a workaround. In that environment though there are no mobile devices and everything has a statically assigned address. In that case I set the FQDN hostname in /etc/hosts as the public static IP address.
17:24<rwp>And I have run across the Spring RTS game which has a small problem. It passes 127.0.1.1 to the peer game in the lobby. Therefore the workaround there is to have one system host and the other system lobby.
17:25<rwp>But those are not in the mainstream of use. So using 127.0.1.1 FQDN hostname is a good mainstream default that works everywhere except those infrequent special cases.
17:25<rwp>mnuhmnuh, No. In /etc/hosts there should be exactly one line "127.0.0.1 localhost" and not your FQDN.
17:26<rwp>mnuhmnuh, Add one line "127.0.1.1 me.myisp.ca me" and you should be good to go.
17:27<rwp>That is the debian-installer default. If installing a pristine fresh system that is what you would get.
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17:27<rwp>If and only if you have a static IP address, and if you are using software that passes IP addresses around instead of names, then and only then would you need to add your public IP address me.myisp.ca me there.
17:28<mnuhmnuh>i'll leave it alone then; just not really clear on which of many myisp related names i've seen my isp use over the years. :-|
17:29<rwp>And I hate to do this but I must mention libnss-myhostname which I find to be somewhat broken and therefore always purge it.
17:29<rwp>mnuhmnuh, Do you have public DNS for your domain name?
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17:30<rwp>If yes then it can be used. If no then that is what .localdomain is used for instead.
17:31<mnuhmnuh>no, i'm not offering any net connections except replies to me. i'm behind coax cable router, ethernet wired conn.
17:32<rwp>Many programs really want to see a domain name and do not function without one. Therefore .localdomain is used as a default in those cases. That is why one sees localhost.localdomain used. It is a completely self-consistent internally okay to use hostname . domainname for things like MTAs and so forth to use.
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17:33<rwp>I don't use Exim which you mentioned you use but I am confident the default config uses .localdomain for example so that a default configuration can work. Postfix definitely does.
17:34<mnuhmnuh>i've always worried that my (mis-configged) mta was sending my root mails to root@myisp.ca, which would really suck for both of us.
17:36<mnuhmnuh>libnss-myhostname not found.
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18:09<mnuhmnuh>just as i thought; i'm on shawcable.net, not shaw.ca, though their dns may point both to same place. meh.
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18:19<rwp>,v libnss-myhostname
18:19<judd>Package: libnss-myhostname on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.3-5~deb7u1; jessie: 0.3-9; jessie-backports: 230-7~bpo8+2; stretch: 232-25+deb9u8; stretch-proposed-updates: 232-25+deb9u9; stretch-security: 232-25+deb9u9; stretch-backports: 239-12~bpo9+1; sid: 240-5; buster: 240-6
18:19<rwp>mnuhmnuh ^^
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18:19<rwp>I don't recommend it. I found it problematic.
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18:30<mnuhmnuh>rwp: it is installed here, but it's all alpha text, no dotted quad seen.
18:32<mnuhmnuh>info libc "Name Service Switch" suggested.
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18:35*mnuhmnuh which is truly unhelpful. :-|
18:37<mnuhmnuh>rwp: you recommend uninstall libnss-myhostname?
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18:40<mnuhmnuh>rwp: it is installed here but /etc/nsswitch.conf is all alpha text, no dotted quad seen, i meant/clarify.
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18:57<rwp>mnuhmnuh, When I see you in the channel again I will pick up the conversation and say that *I* remove it. I found it problematic. (Although I don't recall the detail now. Need to install it and figure out what fails with it and then document it in my notes.) And there should not be "dotted quad"s in /etc/nsswitch.conf but nss database modules.
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19:01<mnuhmnuh>would ya look at that. since fiddling with domainname-ish config stuff, weechat/oftc finally successfully _auto_ /msg identify ... correctly! woohoo!
19:01<rwp>Woohoo. :-)
19:02<rwp>mnuhmnuh, I can only say that *I* remove it. I found it problematic. (Although I don't recall the detail now. Need to install it and figure out what fails with it and then document it in my notes.) And there should not be "dotted quad"s in /etc/nsswitch.conf but nss database modules.
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19:04<mnuhmnuh>i'll leave it alone since i barely get into this stuff and haven't seen related problems, that i know of. tx for insights. :-)
19:05<rwp>Leaving it alone is fine. I think it might get installed by default.
19:05<mnuhmnuh>nsswitch.conf is untouched by me, stock stretch.
19:05<rwp>This is definitely in a side corner of things that most people don't need to know about.
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19:18<mnuhmnuh>rwp: that's what jhutchens said about pinning and apt.conf. pinning?!? i was just APT::Default-Release "stretch";, which is not a bad thing to do (in my opinion).
19:20<rwp>I can't recall a time outside of following the Backports instructions where I needed to use pinning.
19:21<rwp>Usually people use pinning to try to pull "just this one thing" from Unstable. But that usually pulls in 120 things starting with libc and there is no going back from it.
19:23<mnuhmnuh>i've avoided pinning. don't want to tell apt how to do its job any more than is necessary.
19:24<bremner>basically if you are pinning, you probably meant to ask your question on #debian-next
19:25<bremner>there's some scenarios where it's useful with testing/unstable.
19:25<mnuhmnuh>yes, over-riding demonstrably broken package installs.
19:32<tsundoku>I only use pinning to put my repository full of patched personal versions of official packages on top
19:33<tsundoku>and those are carefully managed to be identical to the official packages aside from whatever patches I'm using
19:34<tsundoku>anything beyond that sounds like trouble
19:34<tsundoku>if you want something that's in unstable and not in backports, it seems the way to go is backport it yourself and toss it in your own repo...
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19:37<tsundoku>dumb question: how does a default barebones Debian install configure its network settings?
19:37<mnuhmnuh>today, i also learned exim4 likes to use ~/Maildir, whereas my (most recent) old mail is in ~/Mail. wretched complexity, not a prob.
19:38<tsundoku>an install with a desktop environment selected brings in NetworkManager, but otherwise...
19:38<tsundoku>I would expect systemd-networkd or something to be enabled but nothing stands out at a glance
19:39<bremner>tsundoku: /etc/network/interfaces
19:39<mnuhmnuh>tsundoku: it depends on what you tell it to do, of course.
19:39<tsundoku>I haven't told it to do anything specifically, yet
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19:39<bremner>man 5 interfaces
19:39<tsundoku>ah, here it is
19:39<tsundoku>> iface eno1 inet dhcp
19:40<tsundoku>is this something Debian-specific or a general Linuxism?
19:40<bremner>debian specific, I think
19:40<mnuhmnuh>tsundoku: well "tell it to do" means what'd you install and configure it to do when installing?
19:40<tsundoku>ah, makes sense
19:40<tsundoku>very simple.
19:40<bremner>ifupdown is the package, iirc
19:40<tsundoku>I vaguely remember hearing about /etc/network/interfaces before
19:40<tsundoku>but I haven't touched Debian in a long time
19:41<tsundoku>as for the install, the machine pulled its network configuration from DHCP. I was asked to confirm hostname and domainname (both autopopulated from DNS) but that was it
19:41<tsundoku>so it did this. good.
19:42<mnuhmnuh>tsundoku: anything you manage via interfaces file, network-manager will ignore and leave alone.
19:42<tsundoku>OK, even better
19:42<tsundoku>although I only install network-manager on laptops
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20:09<mnuhmnuh>last time i shutdown -r it hung up (counting down) on usb related stop-job, until i moved the mouse, then it continued. why, how to tell it not to do that?
20:10<mnuhmnuh>when i run shutdown, i should be able to walk away. :-|
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20:42<mnuhmnuh>holy $#@!, snort is chatty.
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20:51<mnuhmnuh>what's this mean: "wdm[707]: wdmLogin(loadPixmaps(widgets.c:446)): warning: WINGs: could not load widget images file: could not open file"? libwings3 is installed.
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20:52<mnuhmnuh>holy $#@!, snort is chatty.
20:55<mnuhmnuh>ah. /etc/default/snort! sry.
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21:02<mnuhmnuh>crap. /var/log/snort/snort.log "may be a binary file." wtf?
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21:44<amcclure>hello
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21:46<rwp>Hello amcclure. Welcome to the channel. If you have a Debian question please just ask. :-)
21:47<amcclure>I didn't think it was that long since I was last in this channel lol
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22:33<rwp>amcclure, Ah... Perhaps. But never overestimate how long my memory might be. On the Internet no one knows you are a goldfish.
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22:57<mnuhmnuh>cue the sharks & killer whales.
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23:27*mnuhmnuh hey, nemo. nice reef ya got there.
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23:53<lhvf>Hello! I'v talked in Freenode #ubuntu-off-topic about the including of GNOME 3.32 on the Debian Development, and the people there acc advised to talk here on #debian.
23:54<lhvf>Can I've some response or forwarding to Devel Channel, because if Debian Buster don't have GNOME 3.32, and freeze on 3.30, the icons feature will be missing on 10.
23:55<lhvf>Ubuntu 19.04 will land GNOME 3.32. Debian Sid, Testing and Ubuntu 19.04 only have gnome-shell and gnome-desktop near the 3.32 (3.31.x for the moment).
23:57<lhvf>*I'm referring to Nautilus and GNOME Shell..
23:58<lhvf>Will have time, before 'Full Freeze' that will happen in March, to include GNOME 3.32?
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