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---Logopened Mon Mar 04 00:00:28 2019
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00:18<twb>What's a2ensite called in nginx-light?
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00:24<nevivurn>twb: there isn't anything built-in that does it for you, afaik. I'd make the symlinks and reloading nginx manually
00:24<nevivurn>s/ding/d/
00:29<twb>fair enough
00:30<twb>I actually just wanted to turn off the default site :-)
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00:35<nevivurn>Ah, yeah. nginx forces you to do that kind of stuff yourself, although it's just getting rid of one symlink.
00:35<twb>no worries
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00:35<twb>Actually since #nginx is asleep, maybe you can sanity-check my crappy config
00:36<twb>http://ix.io/1Cwb/diff
00:38<twb>BZZZT, 2019/03/04 16:36:48 [emerg] 453#453: "http" directive is not allowed here in /etc/nginx/conf.d/log-to-syslog.conf:6
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00:38<twb>I have to *edit* the existing file?
00:39<twb>Oh, they're implicitly at http{} level
00:41<twb>Stupid nginx doesn't know to ignore .~1~ backup files
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00:48<nevivurn>Welp.
00:49<nevivurn>It's not implicit, files in conf.d/* are included in the default nginx.conf inside the http{} block.
00:50<twb>I can't "turn off" the default logfiles in conf.d AFAICT :-(
00:50<nevivurn>You could comment out the lines in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf
00:50<nevivurn>or point them to /dev/null
00:51<twb>yeah I have to EDIT the existing file instead of putting a drop-in in conf.d
00:51<twb>because error_log and access_log directives don't *replace* the existing directives
00:51<nevivurn>Yup.
00:51<twb>Also tehre's "access_log off" but not "error_log off"
00:52<nevivurn>Oh, that's dump.
00:52<nevivurn>b*
00:52<twb>I actually wanted to log to the ring buffer, a log busybox syslogd, but there is no way to *query* the ring buffer except for using bloody gdb!
00:53<twb>Whereas in busybox syslogd, you can just use "busybox logread" to fetch those blocks out of its memory
00:53<nevivurn>Sounds like you've having a fun time.
00:54<twb>I'm running it on a diskless system, so logging to a logfile is dumb
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01:01<twb>How do I convince nginx to bind to only https and never http?
01:02<cc>listen to 443 only?
01:02<twb>yeah
01:05<twb>Looks like it's not listening to :443 at all yet, I gotta go shove some x509 stuff into it somewhere..
01:06<cc>port number does not correlate with tls
01:07<cc>to listen to 443 you use http://nginx.org/en/docs/http/ngx_http_core_module.html#listen inside serever {};
01:07<rwp>twb, Only "listen 443 ssl;" then if you only want https.
01:07<rwp>"listen [::]:443 ssl;" for IPv6.
01:08<rwp>listen lines with tls are https and without are http. On the specified port only.
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01:10<rwp>You can override the default log files with locations of your own.
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01:15<twb>rwp: thanks
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05:00<cpaelzer>bzed: thanks for accepting my vgauth dependency improvement
05:01<cpaelzer>bzed: just for my own upload planning on the Ubuntu side - will you upload a -7 with that before the freeze?
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08:46<Synthea>I have to build an executable for armhf (so no dpkg), it's sufficient installing the crossbuilding packages or I have to create a chroot for crossbuilding? What's the preferrable method?
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09:31<e1000nic>hi
09:31<e1000nic>my nic won't work suddenly
09:31<e1000nic>it was working
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09:31<e1000nic>now the EPROM checksum is all 0000s
09:32<e1000nic>[ 303.136150] e1000: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - version 7.3.21-k8-NAPI
09:32<e1000nic>[ 303.136156] e1000: Copyright (c) 1999-2006 Intel Corporation.
09:32<e1000nic>[ 303.395571] e1000 0000:01:06.0 0000:01:06.0 (uninitialized): The EEPROM Checksum Is Not Valid
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10:24<jimpop>what's the minimum size for swap in order for suspend/hibernate to work with a laptop with 16GB ram?
10:28<Infra_3600>In a common, Patrick Volkerding says that swap size is two times bigger than ram size
10:31<jimpop>ok, ty
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10:41<peter1138>Back when systems had 32MB RAM, yes...
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10:42<cc>suspend will work without spawm, jimpop
10:42<peter1138>https://askubuntu.com/questions/49109/i-have-16gb-ram-do-i-need-32gb-swap
10:42<cc>swap*
10:42<cc>only hibernate will need it
10:43<peter1138>suspend/hibernate was specified in jimpop's question.
10:46<cc>I answered to jimpop
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11:17<Synthea>If I use schroot with my normal user I get a Failed to change to directory ‘/home/myuser’: Permission denied
11:17<Synthea>I followed this page and this shouldn't happen https://wiki.debian.org/CrossCompiling
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11:57<e1000nic>I cannot fix the eprom
11:57<e1000nic>I have a intel pro 1000mt nic, the eprom is all FF'd out, it needs something in there, I downloaded the intel tools, they refuse to flash it, etc
11:58<e1000nic>http://blog.vodkamelone.de/archives/146-Unbricking-an-Intel-Pro1000-e1000-network-interface.html
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12:00<e1000nic>https://paste.debian.net/1071481/
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12:03<Synthea>If I use schroot with my normal user I get a Failed to change to directory ‘/home/myuser’: Permission denied
12:03<Synthea>I followed this page and this shouldn't happen https://wiki.debian.org/CrossCompiling
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12:06<pranjal>hi
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12:12<jhutchins_wk>Synthea: Either the home directory doesn't exist or the permissions/ownership are wrong.
12:12<jhutchins_wk>Synthea: Permission/ownership problems often happen if you run GUI programs as root.
12:13<Synthea>jhutchins_wk, Permission ownership of what? The directory inside the chroot or outside the chroot?
12:14<grawity>I have a suspicion schroot already runs as a different uid (I mean, it needs to elevate in order to call chroot() at all), but your $HOME is leaking into its environ
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12:15<Synthea>grawity, userid of $USER or root? I tried to call it from $USER without sudo
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12:27<e1000nic>home # ethtool -e eth1
12:27<e1000nic>Offset Values
12:27<e1000nic>------ ------
12:27<e1000nic>0x0000: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
12:27<e1000nic>0x0010: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
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12:27<jmcnaught>e1000nic: please use https://paste.debian.net/\
12:27<jmcnaught>err https://paste.debian.net/
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12:38<pranjal>https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2019/Projects is the project task supposed to be submitted now or at the time of applying
12:42<bremner>pranjal: for gsoc questions try #debian-outreach, as it says on the wiki page
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14:43<Raiu>Hi, i get a really annoying kernel panic on my server which cause the server to freeze/lock
14:43<Raiu>its probably related to net change and overlayfs
14:44<Raiu>https://pastebin.com/QRuBk0vu
14:45<Raiu>that's one of the messages thats repeated over and over again
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15:41<Synthea>I've found out the problem, if I do sudo schroot -c mychroot it mounts --bind my directories, but if I use it without sudo it hasn't the proper permissions for doing that. I want it to start the chroot from my user and be sure it automatically mounts the chroot, instead
15:42<sarnold>what does this show? ls -l `which schroot`
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15:49<Synthea>sarnold, /usr/bin/schroot in full red
15:49<somiaj>Synthea: put the --bind mounts in your /etc/fstab so they are automounted at boot?
15:50<somiaj>or do you want to give your user to have permission to mount things on the fly (usually considered a security issue)
15:50<Synthea>somiaj, it's created in this way, so at boot the chroot doesn't actually exist https://wiki.debian.org/CrossCompiling
15:52<somiaj>You might have to use fuse or something like that. I'm not sure on the detials, but due to security issues regular users don't have the permission to mount things.
15:52<somiaj>Are these chroots created in the sameplace each time so the bind mounts are always the same?
15:52<somiaj>you could still use /etc/fstab but then use noauto,user, so users can mount/unmount them.
15:53<somiaj>and I belive fuse gives you the abbility to allow a user to have more freedom in what it can mount (but I don't know the details here)
15:53<Synthea>somiaj, yes they are
15:53<Synthea>somiaj, how?
15:53<somiaj>Just put the mounts in /etc/fstab and give users permission to mount them might be sufficent.
15:53<somiaj>man fstab for info on this.
15:54<somiaj>I can't help you with using fuse.
15:54<somiaj>but noauto and user I think are two flags you'll want (Besides bind and other flags you need)
15:54<Synthea>Interesting
15:55<somiaj>though I think the modern way is make a systemd mount unit. Systemd will convert fstab entries to mount units for you.
15:55<Synthea>somiaj, I haven't systemd and I don't want it. It takes too much of the administration away from me
15:56<sarnold>I think it just changes the administration you do :)
15:57<Synthea>sarnold, not at all. For example at boot it mounts all swap partitions he finds, but what if you don't want this partition mounted right now?
15:57<sarnold>Synthea: then swapoff the thing?
15:57<bremner>can we agree that people are welcome not to use systemd, but arguing about it is not helpful?
15:58<bremner>and that realistically, you can expect to be a bit more "on your own"
15:58<Synthea>bremner, yeah ik, didn't argued against that
15:59<Synthea>I just said "I don't want it because" and then pointed out one of the main reasons
15:59<Synthea>*many
16:02<somiaj>I was just pointing out the systemd takese over /etc/fstab, if not using it, use /etc/fstab
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16:40<Synthea>When the system boots up, the fs are mounted through mount or libmount? Does libmount still supports /etc/fstab.d?
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17:15<sdk>Q: Does anyone know how I can remove an email in tracker.d.o?
17:16<petn-randall>sdk: which email?
17:17<sdk>In the section "Account Emails" I'd like to remove the contact@...
17:20<petn-randall>sdk: Can you give a link? I don't see such thing.
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17:20<sdk>petn-randall: https://tracker.debian.org/accounts/+manage-emails/
17:22<petn-randall>sdk: Oh, you're talking about your account on that webpage! I thought it was about some mail address on a package page
17:22<petn-randall>sdk: No idea, as I don't have an account there.
17:22<sdk>eheh no prob
17:22<petn-randall>sdk: It's probably read-only there, and needs to be changed in LDAP.
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17:25<sdk>petn-randall: hmm I registered directly from tracker.d.o. Where's that ldap thing? Is it just for DMs/DDs or also for guest?
17:27<petn-randall>sdk: I'd cautiously ask in #debian-admin maybe, if you haven't found any way to change it.
17:27<petn-randall>(they're usually grumpy but helpful, so watch out ;)
17:28<sdk>Ahah thanks ;)
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18:31<somiaj>Synthea: when the system boots up the mounts are mounted via the init.d script in sysvinit
18:32<somiaj>I'm not sure which script is responsible for that, looks like it should be /etc/init.d/mountfs
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19:24<twb>Does /etc/systemd/network/bugger.link interface renaming work for *anyone* on Debian 9 / systemd v232?
19:25<twb>It's silently ignored for me, with no debugging/error output (because systemd sucks at that), and I'm not sure if that's because Debian ramdisks aren't systemd-ized, or because *I* broke it by being weird
19:28<ach>So ip uses systemd to rename..?
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19:32<sarnold>ip doesn't manage persistent choices; it just manages runtime state
19:32<twb>renaming is done by systemd-udev + kernel
19:33<twb>debian ramdisks include systemd-udev but not systemd-networkd
19:33<twb>(nor systemd itself)
19:33<sarnold>I *think* the systemd renaming doesn't need systemd-networkd, just udev
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19:38<piper>https://superuser.com/questions/914646/renaming-network-interface-with-systemd
19:39<piper>https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
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19:41<sarnold>twb: do you perchance have /etc/udev/rules.d/ rules for link names?
19:41<twb>I do not, this is a completely fresh Debian Live image I'm building
19:41<twb>I'm writing the .link file at boot time based on which iface I booted off
19:41<twb>(That's the "is this my fault?" part)
19:42<twb>What I don't know right now and is important, is 1. does .link renaming work for *anyone* using Debian 9 (and initramfs-tools, not dracut)?
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19:43<twb>and 2. when it's working for them, is the .link file present in /boot/initrd.img-X?
19:43<twb>More specifically, #2 is a strong hint as to whether the renaming happens before or after pivot_root.
19:47<Synthea>How can a script detect if it's inside a sbuild chroot or not?
19:47<twb>Synthea: one strong hint is the presence of /etc/debian-chroot
19:52<Synthea>tvb twb
19:52<Synthea>thx
19:52<twb>SUCCESSS
19:52<twb>Renaming the interface the old-fashioned way IS working
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19:52<twb>http://ix.io/1CAj
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19:52<ach>i wonderd the permanent option of ip doesn't work?
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19:53<ach>i set and it switched back
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19:54<twb>ach: where's that?
19:54<ach>i know must look
19:54<twb>I don't see it in ip l, which is the logical place to look
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19:55<sarnold>Synthea: re schroot, maybe debianutils ischroot?
19:56<Synthea>twb has already answered what I needed
19:56<Synthea>Btw I've found out the problem, there was an incorrect permission at /
19:57<sarnold>uhoh
19:57<twb>Synthea: that can be VERY hard to catch :-)
19:57<twb>0700 on / results in some very strange bugs
19:57<ach>i had that option on buster and i am 100% sure
19:58<twb>ach: I don't see it in buster either
19:58<twb>https://manpages.debian.org/testing/iproute2/ip.8.en.html#SYNOPSIS
19:58<ach>knowing is not lost but way get knowing back
19:59<ach>i did that
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20:01<Synthea>Btw it's amazing how many things that CAN and WILL fuck up your confs can be in .bashrc and his family
20:02<sarnold>hehe
20:02<twb>OK, using udev rules work ONLY for the downstream NIC
20:02<twb>The other NIC, which is actually up and being used to run the OS, isn't be renamed (presumably you can't rename ifaces that are inflight)
20:03<twb>root@zodiac:~# dmesg | grep 'renamed from' [ 2.139599] r8169 0000:02:00.0 enp2s0: renamed from eth0 [ 13.583484] MOSCHIP usb-ethernet driver 2-2:1.0 downstream: renamed from eth0
20:04<twb>oh... and maybe that's a side-effect of me using a USB NIC and there not being a driver in the ramdisk, so that in the production system (2 built-in NICs), this will break again :-(
20:05<ach>i am not logged as root but that should do it ip link add link eth0 name eth type args
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20:05<ach>i try
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20:05<ach>not supported
20:06<twb>root@zodiac:~# busybox ip link add link enp2s0 name wafflehouse ==> ip: RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported
20:06<twb>Possibly you can only rename an iface once per boot?
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20:10<Synthea>I've found out more about the strange behaviour of hexchat. I think it's because of a variable going havoc somewhere when you terminate a connection attempt https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=922273
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20:10<Synthea>And the problem isn't noticed until you get a notification
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20:25<twb>Synthea: what is the other end of the hexchat dbus connection?
20:26<twb>oh, notification popups?
20:26<ach>Xchat is remotecloseable but firewalled able
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20:28<twb>Synthea: are you using a regular GNOME desktop, or something else (e.g. LXDE), or a custom setup?
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20:41<Synthea>twb, I'm using plasma
20:42<Synthea>I get this behaviour only in this specific situation though
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22:33<Synthea^>ping Synthea
22:34<sarnold>did it die?
22:35<Synthea^>Yes
22:35<sarnold>or do we have to wait ten minutes for the ping timeout?
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22:36<Synthea>I wished irc chat clients had configurable behaviours when you connect with the second nick
22:37<Synthea>Like /msg NickServ REGAIN %user %pass or whatever
22:38<sarnold>heh, that's brilliant
22:39<sarnold>why don't we have that? :)
22:39<Synthea>sarnold, this server has it, problem is that irc clients afaik can't be configured to do that automatically
22:41<Synthea>Or even a simple function that changes the nick after it receives the ping-timeout of the original nick
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