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00:36<jcb2016>asked this on freenode. why don't the live dvd/cd images come with firmware?
00:39<sney>dfsg doesn't allow the inclusion of non-free binaries
00:39<sney>the gray area installer is considered "unofficial." there could probably be an equivalent live image if there was demand for it.
00:42<jcb2016>sney: what is dfsg?
00:45<jcb2016>also im assuming boot debian live/usb isn't in high demand
00:55<jcb2016>sney: found it. reading up on it
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01:00<jcb2016>i think i found what im looking for
01:00<jcb2016>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.8.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-9.8.0-amd64-mate+nonfree.iso
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03:19<vStone>Where would one find out about issues with the repository servers/mirrors? or should they be reported?
03:22<jm_>probably use your regular web search to see if anyone else reported it, also tools like down for everyone or just me
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05:56<oschraml>Hello, I was updating a debian jessie and got the message that jessie-updates and jessie-backports is not available any more (404), checked also from another client and got the same issue. I have checked out the ftp.debian.org/debian/dists and jessie-update and jessie-backports it not listed any more, also on the othere mirros. does anyone knows if they were already removed?
05:56<themill>that is correct. They should have been removed almost a year ago. They have been unsupported since 2018-05-17
05:57<oschraml>ah ok thanks for the quick answer, so only security update are now available for jessie
05:57<vStone>you can find a copy on archive.debian.org
05:57<oschraml>thx
05:57<vStone>which wont work out of the box due to Valid-Until: feb 19
05:57<themill>and only for a limited set of packages and architectures
05:58<oschraml>cool, thanks will check out the archive
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06:08<etrfha> is jessie-updates removed last night?
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06:10<themill>Yes. It should have been removed almost a year ago. They have been unsupported since 2018-05-17
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06:17<etrfha>but https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using says it is supported until 2020-06-30.
06:17<themill>jessie is, yes.
06:17<bremner>backports is not part of LTS
06:17<etrfha>thanls
06:17<etrfha>thanks
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06:24<wolfaba>Hello all, anyone could tell me, if jessie-updates has been removed? According to https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates should http://httpredir.debian.org/debian jessie-updates main
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06:24<wolfaba>still work
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06:24<wolfaba>but I don't see jessie-updates in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/
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06:26<themill>Yes. It should have been removed almost a year ago. They have been unsupported since 2018-05-17
06:26<themill>(and removed from that wiki page)
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06:27<wolfaba>themill: cannot be!:-O my apt started reporting this before a few hours.
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06:28<wolfaba>themill: have you just removed it now? :-D
06:28<wolfaba>from the wiki page?
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06:28<themill>vicamo: please make up your mind.
06:28<wolfaba>themill: I have still the old page in browser :-)
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06:30<wolfaba>themill: OK, it does not receive the updates since 2018-5-17, but the directory jessie-updates was still on ftp, correct?
06:30<themill>only because it hadn't been cleaned up yet
06:31<wolfaba>themill: I see, OK :-) it's no problem I was only shocked :-) So I have to clean my sources, thank you
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06:31<themill>or upgrade to a supported release :(
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07:23<willemb>what happened to jessie-backports today? don't they move to archive.debian.org together with the main repository?
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07:26<peter1138>They were cleaned up finally. It is unsupported.
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08:06<willemb>thanks, peter1138 . I didn't realize backports would dissappear off the internet. http://archive.debian.org/debian-backports/dists/ has etch, lenny, sarge ansd squeeze backports. why not jessie?
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08:14<vStone>archive.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main
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09:14<halvar>good day. I am in the silly situation of trying to backport a new-ish libpcre package to a very ancient debian; the package-rebuilding fails due to dpkg-gensymbols seeing too much discrepancy. The host on which I am building has been updated to use a modern g++, but the discrepancies that dpkg-gensymbols complains about seem to be in the name mangling:
09:14<halvar>+ _ZNK7pcrecpp2RE7ExtractERKNS_11StringPieceES3_PSs@Base 2:8.38-3.1~bpo9+optimyze1
09:14<halvar>+#MISSING: 2:8.38-3.1~bpo9+optimyze1# (c++)"pcrecpp::RE::Extract(pcrecpp::StringPiece const&, pcrecpp::StringPiece const&, std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >*) const@Base" 7.7
09:15<halvar>so it seems to me that in order to do the name matching, dpkg-gensymbols uses some name demangler, and I need to update that as well?
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09:56<nicolas17>how crazy would it be to attempt to use selinux on Debian? >.>
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10:23<olasd>nicolas17: not too crazy according to the selinux maintainer (who maintains more up to date policy packages in a specific repo): https://etbe.coker.com.au/2017/02/06/selinux-stretch/
10:26<olasd>(your mileage may vary, bug reports welcome, etc.)
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12:50<jalopez>good morning #debian, starting today I started having these issues: W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.184.204 80] in a debian 8 box, I know it's an old release, however I'll still would like to keep using it as long as possible, what's the correct way to fix this problem?, update the repos to use the LTS sources?
12:54<Maulkin>jalopez: Yes, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
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13:18<jhutchins_wk>Regular as clockwork.
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13:50<jelly>!jessie-updates
13:50<dpkg>jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. jessie-updates has been unsupported since 2018-05-17.
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13:58<nobru>The packaged firefox-esr 60.6.1esr says SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER on https://www.myazimut.it
13:58<nobru>What should I do? am I doing something wrong?
13:59<jhutchins_wk>nobru: That is telling you that the SSL certificate for the site was issued by a user who is not in your CA chain and may not be legitimate.
13:59<sarnold>check on this page in about two minutes https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.myazimut.it&latest
14:01<nobru>"openssl s_client -connect www.myazimut.it:443 -showcerts -verify_return_error -verify 4" seems to work fine, but the certificate seems different and "GET /" gives a super short "410 Gone" page
14:02<jelly>nobru: which debian release, and which version of "ca-certificates" package is installed?
14:02<nobru>firefox on LineageOS shows what I suppose is the correct page. ca-certificates just updated to 20161130+nmu1+deb9u1
14:02<nobru>release is stretch
14:03<sarnold>they've misconfigured their server: https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.myazimut.it&s=80.21.235.85&latest
14:03<sarnold>"This server's certificate chain is incomplete. Grade capped to B."
14:04<jelly>,v ca-certificates
14:04<judd>Package: ca-certificates on amd64 -- wheezy: 20130119+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 20130119+deb7u3; jessie: 20141019+deb8u3; stretch: 20161130+nmu1+deb9u1; buster: 20190110; sid: 20190110
14:07<nobru>Why does FF 63.0 (2015588625) on LineageOS work fine? does mobile FF use a different ca-store? or maybe the website is so messed it uses different certificates for different clients?
14:08<nobru>anyway jelly sarnold thanks :) <3
14:08<sarnold>nobru: the other browser probably already had the missing intermediate certificate downloaded
14:09<sarnold>nobru: browsers cache intermediate browsers as they find them around the web, precisely for this kind of situation
14:09<sarnold>nobru: .. which is nice for end users but makes it way harder to diagnose busted sites. tools like qualys's tls scanner are the best first debugging aide
14:09<jhutchins_wk>nobru: Various browsers are experimenting with stricter handling of certificates.
14:10<sarnold>s/intermediate browsers/intermediate certificates/ .. wow.
14:10<nobru>funny how I did NOT notice "intermediate browsers" XD, my mind just read "intermediate certs"
14:11<nobru>is there a permalink to the ssllabs results? I'd like to warn the webmasters...
14:12<sarnold>I think this should work https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.myazimut.it&s=80.21.235.85&latest
14:13<nobru>thanks again
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14:20<ml|>Hello. Is this apt-get command: apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }') the equivalent to this aptitude command: aptitude purge '~c' ?
14:21<jelly>ml|: almost. /^.c/ would be a more precise match than /^rc/
14:22<sarnold>that'd remove packages that are set to install, hold, etc.. is that what you really want?
14:23<ml|>So this apt-get command: apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/^.c/ { print $2 }') would be the equivalent to this aptitude command: aptitude purge '~c' ?
14:23<jelly>sarnold: held packages with only confffiles, eh?
14:24<sarnold>jelly: I just know that purge on 'rc' is almost certainly fine, but less sure about the other states vs admin intentions :)
14:24<ml|>sarnold: My understanding that this only applies to removed packages and left over config files.
14:25<jelly>~c does not denote intent, but I'd have to verify what happens if aptitude thinks a package should be installed and it's in conffile-only state
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14:28<ml|>aptitude purge '~c' has never done wrong, at least here. But trying to get used to using apt-get over aptitude.
14:28<jelly>ic xpdf 3.03-9 i386 Portable Document Format (PDF) reader
14:29<jelly>[...] xpdf{p}
14:29<sarnold>wow how'd you get an ic? :)
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14:30<jelly>found a rc package, did a careful echo xpdf install | dpkg --set-selections
14:30<jelly>so aptitude purge '~c' would have purged it.
14:30<sarnold>aha!
14:31<jelly>so /^.c/ is an equivalent (if we ignore other stuff aptitude does automatically)
14:31<ml|>Ah, would the apt-get do the same in this case?
14:32<jelly>yes, but apt-get usually does what it's told
14:32<jelly>unlike aptitude sometimes
14:33<ml|>Of the two which would be recommended?
14:33<jelly>/^rc/ is definitely safer, tho :-)
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14:34<animal>replacing /bin/bash with /bin/false in /et/passwd does not allow the user to login, however the user is still able to login via the gui. how do i lock that?
14:34<jelly>I'd recommended doing the aptitude thing, not because it's safer, but because it's easier to remember?
14:34<jelly>animal: passwd -l ?
14:35<sarnold>animal: usermod -L should do the trick
14:35<sarnold>looks identical to passwd -l
14:35<jelly>amusingly: locking via "passwd -l" but keeping a working login shell still allows ssh
14:35<sarnold>sigh :(
14:35<jelly>then you have to forcibly expire the password (chage... something)
14:36<animal>sarnold + jelly thanks!
14:37<animal>usermod -L did the trick
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14:37<jelly>we can only hope you don't have a /bin/false as a valid login shell in /etc/shells, and that sftp is disallowed
14:38<jelly>good grief, wc -l /etc/shells... 24
14:38<jelly>wtf is /usr/bin/es
14:39<jelly>judd: file bin/es$
14:39<judd>No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
14:39<jelly>judd: file bin/es
14:39<judd>No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
14:39<jelly>this is what happens when you install slink and only do release upgrades.
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14:42<ml|>jelly: Yes, the aptitude line is indeed easier to remember. Using this in a small script though and thought it might be better to use apt-get instead.
14:45<animal>one more question, i installed debian on a laptop and for the first time when asked "allow root login?" i answered no and thus the user created during installation is a sudoer
14:45<animal>but that user can not shut down the computer from the gui
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14:45<animal>i removed sudo but no go
14:46<animal>still i have to login as root and do a shutdown -h now
14:46<sarnold>many guis will use policykit rules to decide if the user should be able to shut down
14:47<animal>when selecting the app menu-log out, there is only the option to lougout. reboot and shutdown are greyed out
14:47<animal>im using xfce
14:47<jelly>my xfce allows me to click on the shutdown button but I had to jump some hoops to enable that
14:48<animal>so does mine, but i didnt have to do anything (other computer)
14:48<jelly>animal: can you see whether dbus-x11 is installed on both?
14:50<jelly>it was an optional component somewhere
14:50<animal>i check with apt show?
14:51<animal>it says installed-size 130kb
14:51<jelly>dpkg -l packagename might be easier
14:51<dpkg>ii packagename might be easier 1.2-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
14:52<animal>yes it is installed on both
14:54<animal>i suspect during installation that disabling root logon had this effect
14:54<animal>correct me if im wrong
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14:55<supaman>animal: your sure? you get ii in the beginning of the result from dpkg -l dbus-x11 (instead of un for example)
14:55<animal>supaman yes i get ii
14:55<supaman>ok, just checking
14:55<animal>in both
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15:11<supaman>animal: see if this can help out https://wiki.xfce.org/faq#session_manager
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17:14<rotty>what could be a reason for submit@bugs.debian.org apparently swallowing my mails without indication that there's something wrong? can it deal with "Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64"?
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17:33<jimpop>rotty: did you follow the instructions here https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting ?
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17:38<rotty>jimpop: I'm pretty sure the email is formatted correctly, but noticed that the body was base64-encoded. I'll try re-sending with reportbug directly (I think I used reportbug initially, then today tried re-sending via the MUA)
17:38<rotty>This is the CC I got to my mailbox: <https://r0tty.org/tmp/2019-03-26-SCbadqfKSX4/bug.txt>
17:40<rotty>also: Mar 25 23:08:43 yade2 postfix/smtp[30829]: AC9A51004CA: to=<submit@bugs.debian.org>, relay=buxtehude.debian.org[209.87.16.39]:25, delay=313, delays=312/0.02/0.44/0.78, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 OK id=1h8Xlp-0007MQ-5D)
17:45<jimpop>i'm not sure if you are aware of this, but most people here won't click random links to unknown servers. Why not use paste.debian.net?
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18:36<rotty>jimpop: no, I didn't actually think of that; same content on paste.debian.net: <https://paste.debian.net/1074817/>
18:38<jimpop>i'd be surprised if the (presumably) procmail recipe on b.d.o could process b64, so that's probably it. Have you tried sending it in plain text?
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18:53<rotty>jimpop: it appears reportbug sends it this way (i.e. base64-encoded)
18:58<rotty>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=888988
18:58<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/888988 in reportbug (open, unreproducible, moreinfo): «reportbug: base64 encoded reports rejected by bts»; severity: important; opened: 2017-02-02; last modified: 2019-02-14.
18:58<rotty>seems to be I pasted some UTF-8 into my mail, and hence it got base64-encoded
18:59<rotty>this is kinda annoying, as I did not get any rejection notice either
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19:01<rotty>although that bug report mentions that base64 should not be an issue
19:02<rotty>(https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=888988#24)
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20:00*mnuhmnuh damn, email sucks these days.
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21:18<Redhawk2021>Hello all, Anyone familiar with LetsEncrypt Certificates?
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21:25<blast007>Redhawk2021: do you have a specific question about them?
21:26<Redhawk2021>Hard to narrow it down to a single question but I'll give it a wack. I have 3 webservers on virtual servers. They all reside under the same External IP and I would like all of them to be secured (HTTPS) using lets encrypt however, I don't believe letsencrypt allows for more then one cert per domain.
21:27<Redhawk2021>I'm currently reading about reverse proxies, but not sure i'm following the gist of them and sounds like that would require a forth web server to run.
21:28<Redhawk2021>I guess the bigger question is, can one certificate be used for all three servers?
21:28<Redhawk2021>if so, then I can transfer it to the appropiate locations of each server somehow.
21:29<Redhawk2021>Nevermind.... just read thats a terrible idea.
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21:31<sarnold>virtual hosting's not too strange, I'd hope it would just work
21:32<Redhawk2021>https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/certificates-for-backup-servers-using-proxy-pass/33710
21:32<sarnold>certs put the domain name in commonname and subjectaltname fields of the certificate, so you'd get three certificates; and configure the server with SNI
21:32<Redhawk2021>This is the current source i'm following now.
21:32<blast007>virtual servers as in apache vhosts, or separate linux systems?
21:32<sarnold>vhosts
21:32<Redhawk2021>mine are all seperate OS's
21:32<Redhawk2021>but they are all running apache
21:33<Redhawk2021>that article talks about nginx configurations.
21:33<Redhawk2021>(Without explaining in length, there are personal reasons they are all on seperate virtual machines)
21:33<sarnold>ahh
21:33<Redhawk2021>I felt the question coming lol
21:33<blast007>I use haproxy in front of my webservers
21:34<sarnold>how are you exposing all three servers to the world on one IP? nginx? haproxy?
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21:34<blast007>probably different external ports
21:34<Redhawk2021>^^^
21:34<Redhawk2021>damn hes good
21:35<Redhawk2021>blast007, are you saying haproxy can do the task I'm looking to achieve?
21:35<blast007>if you ran haproxy on one of your hosts, you could either point all of those ports at that server and then have haproxy look at the other two servers for the other ports
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21:36<blast007>or you could even use subdomains to differentiate the three servers instead of different ports
21:36<Redhawk2021>I've considered the subdomains but I only have one public ip to use.
21:37<sarnold>that's fine, SNI means you can host multiple https sites on one IP, one port
21:37<blast007>with haproxy, it can look at the hostname and proxy traffic to the appropriate host
21:37<blast007>wouldn't even need SNI. you could have a single certificate that has all three hostnames.
21:37<sarnold>I thought that was the thing that LE didn't support?
21:38<blast007>SNI is for when you have separate certificates on the same IP
21:38<blast007>LE supports multiple hostnames on a cert and wildcard certs
21:38<sarnold>aha! hooray
21:38<sarnold>not that SNI is terrible, but it's easier to not bother :)
21:38<blast007>wildcard is more recent, but multiple hostnames has been a thing for quite a while
21:40<Redhawk2021>just an fyi, i'm still here, just researching.
21:40<Redhawk2021>thank you both for your input. going to dig a bit into haproxy I think
21:41<blast007>Redhawk2021: if you run haproxy on one server that already has apache, you can make apache run on another port (and even listen on that other port on 127.0.0.1) and then have haproxy proxy to that
21:42<Redhawk2021>That would defiantly be preffered to keep my VM Count lower then it needs to be.
21:42<Redhawk2021>So in other words, that is absolutely a great idea.
21:45<blast007>https://certbot.eff.org/lets-encrypt/debianstretch-haproxy
21:46<blast007>the Digital Ocean guide at the bottom of that has a renew hook that prepares the new certificate for haproxy (which uses a combined .pem file) and reloads haproxy so it reads the new cert
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21:47<Redhawk2021>Step 1: take a backup cause I know damn well i'm gonna fuck this up
21:47<blast007>:)
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22:10<Redhawk2021>oh boy, were making headway, got the certs installed, just got haproxy
22:15<Redhawk2021>blast007, I'm on the section of that tutorial where it says to bind the ip for haproxy to the public ip of the server running it
22:16<Redhawk2021>will this be the servers IP on the LAN, or the public IP to the network
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22:16<sarnold>maybe both, if you want to be able to access it from the lan-side too
22:17<Redhawk2021>maybe.
22:18<blast007>binding would be for the local IP of the server
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22:26<blast007>Redhawk2021: this is the deploy hook that I use: http://paste.debian.net/1074838/
22:26<blast007>just has to be placed within /etc/letsencrypt/renewal-hooks/deploy/
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22:59<Redhawk2021>blast007, I got everything configured according to that site but I have no connection to the other servers except the main one that haproxy is installed on
22:59<Redhawk2021>any ideas
23:00<sarnold>is there anything in the logs?
23:01<Redhawk2021>have no idea.
23:01<Redhawk2021>not really familiar with haproxy
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23:04<blast007>Redhawk2021: did you set up a backend section for each of the three servers and then set up acl rules in the frontend to control which backend to use?
23:05<Redhawk2021>mmm.... In the haproxy config yes
23:06<blast007>you can check the haproxy log to see what it's doing (which may end up in /var/log/haproxy.log)
23:08<blast007>I'll be leaving so I won't be able to provide further info at the moment
23:09<Redhawk2021>gotcha. yeah worst comes to worst I'll just disable it for now.
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23:30<twb>I love that I can just wget the installer's vmlinux and initrd.gz into /boot and then install over the top of itself
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