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04:08<Lantizia>Hey can someone confirm a weirdness for me... the package 'iperf3' in testing has a version of 3.6-2 ... but that tiny utility is ran as 'iperf3 -v' it reports as 3.1.3 (same version that's in stable)
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04:09<Nemoder>Lantizia: it reports as 3.6 for me, try 'which iperf3'
04:10<Lantizia>ok but I literally (as I thought I was going nuts) just downloaded the .deb directly... http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iperf3/iperf3_3.6-2_amd64.deb
04:10<Lantizia>extracted it manually, chmod +x the binary... and ran it directly - it still said 3.1.3
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04:12<Nemoder>maybe it pulls the version from libiperf0?
04:12<Lantizia>ah possibly
04:14<Lantizia>Nemoder, yeah that's fixed it :P
04:15<Lantizia>i'm basically stealing the buster version to use in stable
04:15<Lantizia>but it must mean the buster package doesn't mind using the older libiperf0 as a dependency
04:23<jm_>why not simply backport both?
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08:13<madelmoe>hi, Im trying to install debian but installation proccess wont detect a RAID 0... How can I proceed? Maybe I need a specific installation image?
08:15<jm_>have you tried this https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid ?
08:15<madelmoe>jm_: nope, will try now :)
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11:51<mozgiii>Hey, for an app that's frequently updated, how should I setup the unattended package generation? I'm mostly interested in how to produce a debian/ dir. As an additional context, I want to use launchpad ppa, but this seems to be a lower-layer (packaging) issue to me
11:52<mozgiii>Please help :)
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11:55<petn-randall>mozgiii: I failed to understand what you're trying to do.
11:55<petn-randall>mozgiii: Are you using a Ubuntu PPA with Debian, and wondering how to configure the unattended-upgrades package to update it?
11:59<mozgiii>petn-randall: I'm trying to package an app, technically I'm on Ubuntu, but I just want to get a grasp on a concept, so it should matter. If if is, I'm on ubuntu 18.04 and want to create a PPA. The issue is it seems every time I need to do a packaging I'll have to bump the build and do stuff like that
11:59<mozgiii>(manual stuff)
12:00<mozgiii>I'm very new to packaging, just going through the maint-guide
12:00<petn-randall>mozgiii: Neither Ubuntu, nor PPAs are part of Debian. You can either ask in #ubuntu, or in #packaging (which is about packaging .deb packages).
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12:01<petn-randall>The nmg ist quite Debian-specific, Ubuntu may have other packaging rules, and PPAs generally have the ones you define yourself.
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12:05<mozgiii>petn-randall: I know, I'm aware of that. However the core designers of the packaging tooling are debian maintainer, that's why I came here. I don't think it matters that I'll be using the packages on ubuntu or debian if they'd be packaged by debain rules. The app is just a staticly build binary, so it's not required to do complicated shared-libs stuff - and I though I'd just do it debian-way, why not?
12:06<jhutchins_wk>mozgiii: Because ubuntu is not debian.
12:06<petn-randall>mozgiii: That's not how it works, though. Packaging in Ubuntu is different than in Debian. You'll run into bugs or missing features in either one, as they deviate.
12:07<petn-randall>mozgiii: So you might package software that'll build in Debian, but not in Ubuntu, and vice-versa.
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12:08<mozgiii>petn-randall: is the automated version bumps workflow supported on debian? I mean, regardless of tooling, it's not set in stone for me, I can use debian instead of ubuntu
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12:13<mozgiii>I'm having troubles with just the way of managing the contents of the /debian directory separate from the source code (e.g. two separate git repos), and stitching them together with an automated process overnight. A lot of debian guides are built around having updated based around version for example, and I don't see any alternative approaches anywhere. Is this because I'm looking in the wrong place, or trying to apply debian
12:13<mozgiii>principles as just basic packaging-to-deb principles?
12:14<sakax>hi, my laptop fully crashed, rebooted, which log can I consult to understand what happened?
12:15<petn-randall>mozgiii: You might want to understand the basics of packaging, and when you feel comfortable with the tooling and processes, move to more advanced topics like automation. Technically, it's all possible, but you'll have a hard time setting it up without understanding the basics.
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12:16<petn-randall>mozgiii: For example, the two git repo approach is generally frowned upon in *Debian* packages, and you'll have a hard time to convince your sponsor that this is the better approach. But apparently it's ok in Ubuntu.
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12:20<mozgiii>petn-randall: I though so, but I think I'm done with the basics; I'm at the level of git-buildpackage and quilt without difficulties
12:20<mozgiii>I probably have to go talk to #packaging though, thx
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20:56<nezZario>Hey guys. Is there any decent video editing software for Debian?
20:57<nezZario>Better yet,, I was thinking, is there no text based video software?... Like, something I could "program" a video in? If that makes sense. Not 3d stuff... Just simple video editing via text script.
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21:11<supaman>nezZario: think your looking for ffmpeg
21:12<supaman>!ffmpet
21:12<supaman>!ffmpeg
21:12<dpkg>FFmpeg is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video, available in jessie-backports, stretch and sid. The Debian ffmpeg package contains a multimedia player (ffplay), server (ffserver) and encoder (ffmpeg). Use "ffmpeg -formats" to list supported transcoding formats for ffmpeg's -target option. http://ffmpeg.org/ #ffmpeg on irc.freenode.net. See also <libav>.
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21:13<sarnold>does ffmpeg have any editing ability? I thought it was just a player and converter
21:14<sarnold>apt-cache search non-linear video returns a few possibilities, but I haven't tried any of them
21:14<supaman>well, you can cut videos with ffmpeg ... so it depends on what kind of editing your doing :-)
21:15<sarnold>haha :)
21:15<supaman>!libav
21:15<dpkg>Libav is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. Libav is a fork of <FFmpeg> and replaces it in the Debian 7 Wheezy and 8 Jessie releases. Multithreaded decoding is available since libav 4:0.7~rc1-1 (bug #575600); MP3 encoding support is available since libav 4:0.7.1-2 (bug #587904). http://libav.org/faq.html http://libav.org/ #libav on irc.freenode.net.
21:17<nezZario>I'll check out libav but yea i was looking for just like - enough to put together a simple YouTube video - text, polygons, clip and edit, audio from one stream video from another, and maybe some smooth scene transition and simple filters
21:18<sarnold>yeah libav isn't going to do that either
21:18<sarnold>the non-linear video editors are much more likely to do that
21:18<nezZario>Kind of find it weird there is no text based video software. Guess I should write one eh?
21:18<nezZario>I'll check apt
21:19<sarnold>"like latex -- but for video!" :)
21:19<nezZario>Never heard it called that but perfect.... Yeah exactly though
21:19<blast007>shotcut is an open-source video editor, but it's not packaged in Debian. They do have portable tar.gz, AppImage, Flatpak, and Snap releases though.
21:21<blast007>another option is kdenlive (which *is* packaged in Debian)
21:21<supaman>and kino
21:22<blast007>"As of August 5, 2013, the official website for Kino indicated that the project is "dead" and that users should try alternative software."
21:22<supaman>!openshot
21:23<supaman>,v openshot
21:23<judd>Package: openshot on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.2-1.1; jessie: 1.4.3-1.1; stretch: 1.4.3-1.2; wheezy-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4; stretch-multimedia: 1.4.3-dmo4; buster: 2.4.3+dfsg1-1; sid: 2.4.3+dfsg1-1
21:24<supaman>,v kdenlive
21:24<judd>Package: kdenlive on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.2-2; jessie: 0.9.10-2; stretch: 16.12.2-1; sid: 18.12.1-1; buster: 18.12.3-1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:0.9.6-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.9.10-dmo2; stretch-multimedia: 1:17.04.2-dmo1; buster-multimedia: 1:18.12.1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:18.12.1-dmo1
21:24<sarnold>nezZario: actually.. this is *not* quite what you asked for, but you might like it all the same: https://processing.org/tutorials/
21:25<supaman>,v kino
21:25<judd>Package: kino on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.4-1.3; jessie: 1.3.4-2.1+b1; stretch: 1.3.4-2.2+b2; buster: 1.3.4+dfsg0-1; sid: 1.3.4+dfsg0-1
21:26<supaman>yeah, of the three then openshot and kdenlive seem to be under active development
21:27<supaman>find those version numbers for kdenlive a little suspicious :-)
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21:46<nezZario>Sweet guys. I'll check them out
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