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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-04-01

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06:54<wolnavi>Hi, may I ask can I install Debian on a AMLogic Meson6 AML8726-MX? It is a old Android TV box but I would like to repurpose it to install Pi-hole... Thanks
06:59<rant>its theorhetically possible I'd imagine, but its not exactly documented or supported afaik but seems like there is plenty of source code available for it and it apparently already runs linux so
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07:00<wolnavi>It’s currently running Android 4.1.1 Jelly Bean I believe...
07:02<rant>I will say that while I do still admire the spirit, I've been down this road myself and everything is so damn cheap anymore nothing we could have is really worth much of anything and there are always better supported options cheaply available
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07:02<rant>I got a damn Thinkpad X240 here I'm using as a paperweight cause nobody will buy it for more than its worth to me gathering dust
07:03<rant>and you can get stuff like this, that is exponentially more powerful than whatever crap you're working with, so cheap, you really gotta ask yourself is it worth the effort.. do you just want to address an issue, or is it fun for you to tinker with crap
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07:04<wolnavi>If I can’t install Debian or accidentally brick it then I guess I can buy a Raspberry Pi instead... Was thinking I could save some money haha
07:04<rant>orange pi are even cheaper than raspberry pi and have more powerful options available
07:04<wolnavi>I see, thanks I’ll look into that
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07:05<rant>not to mention they could actually run debian and not raspbian
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07:08<rant>Orange Pi +2E is based on the now well mainlined H3 SoC and is about $5 more than the RPI3B+ and has twice the ram
07:08<rant>has eMMC storage onboard in addition to tf card..et
07:08<rant>http://www.orangepi.org/orangepiplus2e/
07:09<rant>its a faster cpu too among other enhancements
07:10<rant>there are more powerful boards out there, but the H3 has been mainlined and is well supported now.. its often better to go with supported rather than new or fad items like the RPI which are black boxes
07:11<wolnavi>I see
07:12<wolnavi>Thanks rant
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07:17<rant>yeah.. these people leaving irc annoys me.. I was going to also say http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_effort for reference
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09:11<jas4711> is it possible to use apt over https during debian installation? would a preseed line of 'd-i mirror/protocol string https' work?
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10:08<rant>jas4711: are you restricted to only using an apt repo that uses only https?
10:09<rant>because in reality there isn't really any good reason for making a repo https or using one that is
10:10<rant>the packages are digitally signed and if you're really paranoid about people knowing what you're installing you should probably be using local instal repos like DVDs or such
10:10<rant>and idk.. seeking professional help
10:10<sdk>maybe that last bit wasn't necessary rant :)
10:13<rant>depends.. severe paranoia to the point of seeking professional help is common these days.. all this tech and vulnerabilities makes us crazy
10:16<rant>jas4711: stretch and earlier require the following package
10:17<rant>,i apt-transport-https
10:17<judd>An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
10:17<rant>hmm
10:17<rant>,v apt-transport-https
10:17<judd>Package: apt-transport-https on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4.9; stretch-security: 1.4.9; sid: 1.8.0~alpha3; sid: 1.8.0~beta1; buster: 1.8.0
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10:46<sqrt{not}>m0th3rsup3r10r: I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "input output split" but maybe smartmontools package could be helpful for disk problems.
10:47<sqrt{not}>ahh, too slow again, she's gone.
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13:18<beavis_>http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian is broken
13:21<inkbottle>Planning to upgrade a Stretch laptop which has not be attended to for months if not years; is there anything I should worry about? (relative of mine system, worked seamlessly all this time, I don't want to break it)
13:21<inkbottle>Alternatively, should I just wait for next stable to perform the upgrade?
13:22<sarnold>beavis_: it loads for me, I appear to have used 129.240.118.47 to get there
13:22<beavis_>it loads but apt refuses to work it because desynced content
13:23<beavis_>with it*
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13:28<jhutchins_wk>inkbottle: Backup.
13:29<inkbottle>jhutchins_wk: OK, tx
13:29<jhutchins_wk>!mirror status
13:29<dpkg>Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: https://mirror-master.debian.org/status/mirror-status.html and http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ Ask me about <mirrors>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
13:30<jhutchins_wk>beavis_: Try just ftp.debian.org
13:30<beavis_>i changed the mirorr, yes. still informing this one is defunct.
13:30<jhutchins_wk>inkbottle: Are you planning to upgrade to testing?
13:31<jhutchins_wk>inkbottle: Or just bring stretch up to current status?
13:32<inkbottle>jhutchins_wk: no, no; I was just wondering if if would be better to have an up to date Stable when will come the time of the New Stable.
13:33<inkbottle>So, atm, upgrade stretch to stretch, no more
13:33<jhutchins_wk>inkbottle: I haven't seen any glitches in the stable-to-stable update process, I don't think you have much to worry about, but being able to revert to a backup is always reassuring.
13:34<inkbottle>jhutchins_wk: you mean backup 250GB user data?
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13:37<inkbottle>Anyway, I won't do it right now; it was rather an inquiry about what could come from it. Will really do it later
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15:26<jas4711>rant, nah i'm not restricted to https-only, just curious if it is possible. i know about apt-transport-https but can it be used during installation?
15:26<somiaj>https://whydoesaptnotusehttps.com/
15:27<somiaj>you can use https:// as your mirror in your sources.list, and you don't need apt-transport-https any more (on later versions of apt in buster)
15:28<somiaj>but that page kinda explains why it isn't that big of a priority to have https mirrors.
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15:40<jas4711>somiaj, but does it work during install? guess i have to experiment with how the preseed file should look like
15:40<somiaj>with buster yes
15:41<somiaj>with stretch, you'll have to install the apt-transport-https package during the install (unsure if it is avaialble in the installer or you will have to manually install it). But you could 1) install the base system from the install (no network needed). 2) copy over apt-transport-https, install it and configure apt to use https://, then install the rest of your software over https.
15:41<somiaj>but yea, in the stretch installer, extra work maybe needed. In the buster installer (will be released sometime this summer) this will no longer be needed.
15:45<jas4711>somiaj: thanks! i'm using buster for my testing
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