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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-04-02

---Logopened Tue Apr 02 00:00:04 2019
---Daychanged Tue Apr 02 2019
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00:11-!-schizo is "me without a mic is like a beat without a snare" on #oftc #moocows
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00:13-!-MScott is "Kris Kristofferson" on #qemu #debian-next #debian #https-everywhere #moocows #tor-project #redditprivacy
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03:40-!-Texou is "Jean-Philippe MENGUAL" on #debian #debian-es #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-l10n-fr #debian-a11y
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06:20-!-_kab is "ircclient" on #debian
06:22<_kab>BTS a bit slow today? Mail isn't going through and the response time of the website is off the charts :(
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08:45<jimpop>is there a cmd or neat script that will take a userid (or name) and a path and show you where along that path that access breaks because of permissions?
08:49<petn-randall>jimpop: It's pretty trivial to do by hand, I don't think anyone has automated it.
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10:26<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to backport libpurple0, libpurple-bin and libpurple-dev 2.13.0 to stretch? There seems to be a missing build-dep of libltdl3-dev...
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12:39<mnuhmnuh>EmleyMoor: libltdl3-dev is virtual pkg?
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12:55<mnuhmnuh>EmleyMoor: libltdl-dev "Provides: libltdl3-dev, libltdl7-dev"
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13:35<EmleyMoor>Not a problem in the end
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14:19<lsjet>I've run into a weird problem with a Debian box. File copying on it is unreliable, but there are no errors of any kind that I can find and only a byte-by-byte compare of source and destination files reveals a problem. It's probably a bad drive, although I can't find any indication of that. What I'm more worried about is the long term implications: Having to do full compares of every single file copy in the future to avoid corrupted data.
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14:20<sarnold>dmesg/
14:20<lsjet>There's absolutely nothing in dmesg during or after the copy.
14:21<sarnold>bugger.. alright.. how about smartctl?
14:22<petn-randall>lsjet: How are you copying and comparing the files?
14:22<petn-randall>lsjet: And how does the corruption look like?
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14:23<lsjet>I'm copying from an internal sata drive to an external sata drive in a usb3 dock. Copying about 1TB of data will reveal 2-5% of the files do not match the original. Copying is done with 'cp -a'. Compare via 'diff -rq'
14:23<lsjet>The differences may be only a single byte or a run of dozens or more.
14:24<blast007>tried a different dock?
14:25<petn-randall>lsjet: If dmesg shows no errors whatsoever, I'd run a smart selftest on both disks.
14:25<petn-randall>lsjet: If that doesn't reveal anything, you might have bit flips in your RAM, which you can test by running memtest86 over night.
14:25<lsjet>Reversing which drive is the source and which the destination results in the same behavior. Both drives are encrypted with plain dm-crypt. SMART shows both drives to be just fine as far as I can tell.
14:26<petn-randall>lsjet: So you ran long selftests on the drives?
14:27<lsjet>No, just looking at SMART attributes returned. Both drives are a couple years old and have been fine until I noticed this.
14:28<petn-randall>lsjet: Can you share the 'smartctl -a ...' output from both on https://paste.debian.net?
14:28<lsjet>I can later today...not accessible to me at the moment.
14:29<lsjet>It's got me paranoid though since it is failing completely silently.
14:30<petn-randall>Ah, if you don't have access to the devices, debugging doesn't make much sense then.
14:30<lsjet>Yeah, I can't make a serious attempt at it until later. I was just looking for ideas.
14:30<Blendie>we can speculate
14:31<lsjet>speculation is fun
14:31<Blendie>up to a point
14:31<jhutchins_wk>lsjet: Do you have smartmontools installed and enabled.
14:31<jhutchins_wk>?
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14:38<blast007>I'll take that as a "maybe"
14:41<sarnold>heh
14:41<sarnold>I'm glad you suggested bad ram before he quit though, I got dragged off to a meeting
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14:56<lsjet>Argh, sorry network issues...
14:58<lsjet>I was thinking of making some checksum files before copying to verify the originals still read the same. Repeated reads don't seem to be an issue, so I'm assuming the copying is failing after that.
15:00<lsjet>It did occur to me that it could be ram instead of the disk as well.
15:02<sarnold>lsjet: sha256sum can generate and check those lists
15:02<sarnold>lsjet: and be sure to run memtest86 or memtest86+ or the other tool that's kinda similar
15:05<lsjet>Yeah. The main reason I hadn't done it yet was wanting to be able to create a separate file in each directory on the drive rather than lump everything into one big file. I need to put together a bash script and haven't had the time.
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15:06<lsjet>How good are memory tests these days? I haven't run one in years. My experience was always that if the memory was bad enough to show up on a test, the system was typically unstable enough to notice without the tests.
15:09<sarnold>I don't know if they can spot memory that would fall to rowhammer.. but certainly I've found bad ram with it before that let me then craft mem= or similar boot lines to work around the problem
15:10<lsjet>cool I will try it. Looks like memtest86 is a commercial tool and mentest86+ is GPL.
15:11<sarnold>I can never remember which one is which. heh
15:11<sarnold>I recall one person liking memtester, but I've never tried it
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15:15<lsjet>I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be any kind of scripted handling of checksum files for directory trees (adding/removing entries, etc). I realize file systems like ZFS and BTRFS have this built in, but not choices I want to make.
15:17<lsjet>I ran BTRFS for a while but wasn't happy with the performance, complexity, and other issues. My research into ZFS looks to be about the same.
15:19<sarnold>I love zfs, but I must admit that I haven't compared against dm + xfs performance
15:19<jhutchins_wk>Doesn't rsync do cheksums during copy?
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15:21<petn-randall>lsjet: `hashdeep`
15:24<lsjet>rsync does checksums to decide whther or not to copy. As far as I know it does not do a checksum after the fact.
15:25<lsjet>so you'd have to keep running it until it doesn't copy anything. :p
15:25<lsjet>presuming it is the write that is failing
15:26<lsjet>of course sporadic read errors would result in a few files copied every time. :p
15:27<petn-randall>lsjet: hashdeep would let you know if it changes on every read.
15:27<lsjet>Wow thanks petn-randall ! That's what I was looking for.
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15:33<lsjet>So far my gut feeling is that reads are fine. diffs of multi-terabyte sets of files don't report further errors once the initial set is re-copied
15:34<lsjet>So I copy several hundred files - maybe a dozen fail the diff post-copy. Recopying those files and rerunning the diff results in a clean compare
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15:36<lsjet>That's been the consistent experience so far. Reversing the role of source and destination drives does not change the result...meaning either both drives are failing on writes...or bit corruption during the process.
15:36<petn-randall>lsjet: When you've copied it once, it'll likely be in the filesystem cache and not read again from disk.
15:36<lsjet>Unlikely. I am running on a system with 16GB RAM, no swap and talking terabytes of files.
15:37<lsjet>AT least it seems unlikely to me...
15:38<lsjet>Three or four files would totally fill the ram available
15:38<petn-randall>good point.
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15:39<lsjet>Maybe it just caches the bytes it wants to get wrong. ;)
15:40<lsjet>I'll believe almost anything is possible anymore.
15:42<lsjet>I once (years ago) had a system that would consistently corrupt floppy disks. Could not find the problem for what seemed an eternity. Changed the drive, cable, controller, ram, cpu, motherboard!, hard drive (and os), powersupply!!, case!!! and still the problem persisted...
15:43<lsjet>Eventually I built a new system and the problem moved into it...
15:43<sarnold>some say that system still corrupts floppies to this day
15:43<lsjet>It was the video card.
15:44<sarnold>wow
15:44<lsjet>I kept the card for the longest time just to demonstrate to people.
15:45<sarnold>lol
15:45<lsjet>We think we understand how systems work...but do we? Do we really?
15:45<sarnold>I might have broken it into pieces to make sure it's not used again. I can see benefits to your approach :)
15:46<blast007>lsjet: have you tried copying the data with both drives attached to the internal SATA connectors instead of one of them through a USB dock?
15:47<lsjet>No, that's a good idea though
15:48<lsjet>I'd have to run the case open though, not enough drive bays
15:48<jhutchins_wk>lsjet: Not to push rsync, but if you run it after the initial copy, it will detect the corrupted files and re-copy them in one step.
15:50<lsjet>Oh I agree. I like rsync. I was just surprised that doing a simple cp -a could fail and leave no trace in the logs. Makes me paranoid.
15:50<lsjet>Actually even rsync might not catch the problem unless you tell it to use checksums instead of date/size
15:51<lsjet>depending on where the error is happening
15:55<lsjet>I did like the way rsync + btrfs snapshots works for space efficient backups. I did not like the way btrfs interacted with large file churn, like TV recording.
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16:32<jhutchins_wk>LStranger: You never really answered the question of whether smartmontools was installed and enabled. That WILL write errors to the logs if it encounters new bad blocks and such, but it has to be enabled.
16:32<jhutchins_wk>LStranger: Oops.
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17:36<dererk>Hi. Does anyone know if there's a way to download deb srcs from ftp NEW queue that hasn't been accepted yet?
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