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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-04-04

---Logopened Thu Apr 04 00:00:41 2019
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02:10<hoodie>hello
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02:27<hoodie>o
02:28<jm_>!ask
02:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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02:29<hoodie>hows everyone doin
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03:18<LilUFO>was thinking about making the move from Arch to debian testing, as I wanted a rolling distro with a little more stability
03:18<LilUFO>is it common to run testing and never fall into a major release?
03:19<LilUFO>or recommended I should say
03:20<sep>LilUFO, i think the common thing is to run testing, and let it become stable at release. wait a few months until the large influx of big changes have settles down after the long freeze, and then upgrade to testing again and follow that until the next release.
03:20<sep>you do that by using "buster" instead of "testing" in your apt config.
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03:24<jm_>!testing security
03:24<dpkg>Security updates in testing are delayed by the normal testing migration *and* may be further delayed by missing dependencies, etc. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing
03:24<jm_>also #debian-next
03:27<LilUFO>alright, thanks
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10:17<lsjet>Did some testing on my hdd corruption issue. Decided to copy ~1TB of files to another location on the same sata drive (no usb dock) and saw the same corruption of 2-5% of the files.I still need to test the other drive, the dock, and the ram to see if I have multiple problems. I also want to do a test without using FDE to see if that matters.
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10:29<petn-randall>lsjet: As already said yesterday, I'd run a long smart selftest on the drive, and then check the RAM with memtest86. Did you try either yet?
10:30<Blendie>if your ram was damaged you would not complete the transfer most likely
10:30<petn-randall>Blendie: Why would that be?
10:30<Blendie>segfaults
10:31<petn-randall>Only if the process stack ever would hit the faulty area.
10:31<Blendie>one falty bit woult matter more than 4% corruption
10:32<Blendie>faulty*
10:32<Blendie>that's most likely faulty disk speaking
10:32<jhutchins_wk>This is the kind of thing that should be solvable in an hour or so, not dragged over three days.
10:33<petn-randall>this ^
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11:03<lsjet>I haven't run memtest86+ yet, the machine needs to be down for that and I can't do that until the weekend. I haven't had time to test the other things yet. There's no way to solve this in an hour or so...
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11:03<petn-randall>lsjet: Running a SMART selftest can be done any time.
11:03<lsjet>how long for smart test on two 6tb drives?
11:04<petn-randall>lsjet: It will tell you in `smartctl -a /dev/yourdrive`, and also will tell you the end time when you trigger it.
11:05<lsjet>100% non-destructive?
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11:07<petn-randall>lsjet: If in doubt, check the man page.
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11:17<lsjet>The man page doesn't say directly, but it implies it only performs read tests. Not sure how that'll help as the drive reads correct 100% of the time I've tested using diff, and sha256sum. Something is going wrong ONLY during writes and only in a small percentage of cases, enough that I need to write 100+ GB to see it happen.
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11:17<jhutchins_wk>lsjet: If you get to the point of shutting it down, you might re-seat all cards and connectors. Re-seat RAM & CPU.
11:18<lsjet>Yeah I was planning on shutting it down tomorrow and opening the case up to connect the second drive directly. I will check everything then.
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11:21<petn-randall>lsjet: There's no need to speculate. Just run the test, and then you can share the results if you need interpretation.
11:22<petn-randall>lsjet: In order to debug things you need to start rule out things, even if they seem trivial.
11:22<petn-randall>s/rule/ruling/
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11:23<lsjet>I can run the simple test sure, but not the full. It makes me nervous fiddling too much with the drive as I was trying to back up the data when I noticed the issue. I'd like to back everything up to some other drives (nothing else I own is large enough to hold a full backup) but that alone will take a day or more.
11:26<lsjet>I only had an hour or so to work on it yesterday and that was enough to generate hashes, copy the 1tb and compare the results. It did prove the error happened without the dock being involved. But didn't explain why the write issue happened no matter which drive I wrote to. I'm starting to wonder if they both are going bad in the same way.
11:27<lsjet>Yesterday's test only involved one of the drives.
11:27*petn-randall shrugs.
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11:28<petn-randall>smart selftest is run by the firmware of the drive, and is transparently run in the back ground while the disk is idling. You should run it. I don't really think there's much point in further debating the issue if you haven't got those results in yet.
11:29<lsjet>I didn't realize anyone was debating anything, but sure.
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11:31<lsjet>I was just saying what I'd discovered so far. Someone suggested it could be the dock and truly I was hoping that was it, but obviously not.
11:33<lsjet>I will run at least the short test. Like I said, the smart attributes hadn't suggested any issues. I'm not running a full test without a backup though. I did get memtest86+ installed yesterday, preparing to test ram too.
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11:34<Blendie>good luck
11:34<lsjet>thanks
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11:36<petn-randall>(smart values, which we haven't seen yet, either)
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11:37<lsjet>Oh I did check out hashdeep and it was decent, but not exactly the feature set I was looking for to maintain hashes on a living file system. It's obviously designed for forensic analysis.
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11:38<lsjet>I'm looking at a few other tools/
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12:05<friki>Hi? What's the best way to install all "recommendeds" by an already installed package? I'm looking for a workarround for this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=894976
12:05<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/894976 in apt (open): «apt-get --install-recommends --reinstall install x should install recommends for already installed package»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-04-05; last modified: 2018-04-05.
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13:20<lsjet>hashrat looks like it might be more of what I am looking for
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13:24<jhutchins_wk>lsjet: Why not find and fix the problem?
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13:26<lsjet>Oh that's not directly about the problem...I've been wanting something for a while
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13:26<lsjet>Just as a longterm check against bitrot
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13:35<apatran>Hello All
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13:37<lsjet>tthsum looks interesting too. It uses merkle trees which is awesome, but I haven't installed it yet.
13:38<apatran>I'm very new to Debian, coming from mostly Ubuntu. Would anyone be able to help me with a package question?
13:39<mnuhmnuh>apatran: fire away.
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13:40<apatran>I installed the testing branch, and I noticed it's missing MySQL. I see unstable has it and the current stable has it. I assume since testing is frozen and will be released, it'll come out without MySQL. Would it be bad-practice to use MySQL's official repository?
13:42<jelly>if you need mysql server, and not mariadb or percona, there's probably no better place to get it
13:43<jelly>debian ships with mariadb server, when user asks to install mysql-server a version of mariadb-server gets installed. They're API compatible. Mostly.
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13:44<jelly>,depends default-mysql-server --release buster
13:44<judd>Package default-mysql-server in buster/amd64 -- depends: mariadb-server-10.3.
13:45<apatran>Right, I know maria is available, but I'm trying to set up my environment identically to my prod environment (which uses MySQL), so I'd prefer to actually have MySQL. My question is mostly, is it acceptable practice to install from the MySQL repo, or is that a debian faux pas
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14:03<jelly>Oracle's packages aren't horribly broken.
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14:05<jelly>so go ahead, you already use it in prod
14:06<jelly>just don't expect too much help here about non-Debian components, and if they break unrelated stuff someone might point and laugh
14:09<apatran>Yup thank you
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14:13<user01>is it possible to re-enable rm -rf / for demo purposes?
14:14<user01>i dont think that has worked in awhile for root accounts / sudo
14:14<sarnold>does this work? cd / ; rm -rf ./
14:16<user01>sarnold, id rather wait until im on the test account to find out
14:16<sarnold>yes, that's worth testing only on the machine that you intend to destroy :)
14:17<apatran>hah
14:18<lsjet>use a vm :)
14:18<user01>i just was curious cause people are still wearing those t-shirts and i dont think that has worked in years(?)
14:19<lsjet> There's no t-shirt maintainer, I guess.
14:19<apatran>lol
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14:20<user01>they never tested it i guess
14:21<lsjet>I always keep a vanilla kvm machine that defaults to snapshot mode so I can boot it, try out crazy stuff, kill the proc without having to shutdown clean, and everything goes back to normal next boot. :)
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14:22<user01>yeah im on a laptop and i dont have access to vm at the moment
14:22<lsjet>laptops can run vm's ...
14:23<user01>lsjet, yeah i know i dont have virtual machines on it
14:25<user01>when i did i would create vms test and then forget about them and then they'd just be taking up space . . . i guess in this case that wouldnt be a concern
14:28<lsjet>Usually I'll create a base install disk in qcow2 format and then never use it directly once the initial install is done. All my vm's then use a new qcow2 with the base as a backing_file. That way you only lose a few GB
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14:29<lsjet>and can create modify and destroy vm's as you please without having to reinstall ever unless you want to rebase on a new version.
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14:37<lsjet>of course if you really want it to work and don't care the syntax has changed to protect the innocent, you can just do rm -rf --no-preserve-root /
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15:13<Scuzzy>Hi all, not sure if this is the correct place to ask but does anyone know why i get errors when using apt-get update. it returns with a could not resolve ftp.gb.debian.org, and also a 404 on an ip address. it seems that this issue is being reported online, but im unable to find any solutions. thanks for any help :)
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15:28<lsjet>ftp.gb.debian.org is a non-existent domain. It also isn't list as a debian mirror. Where did you get it?
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15:32<Scuzzy>Failed to fetch http://ftp.gb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/InRelease is the message. its listed as the download server for the UK.
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15:34<Ganneff>no it is not
15:34<Ganneff>ftp.uk.debian.org is
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15:39<Scuzzy>i guess someone has made a whoopsie somewhere in the latest release because when i go into the synaptic package manager and change the download server to united kingdom, ftp.gb.debian.org is the domain it is trying to use.
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15:46<Scuzzy>so i think you have just straightened that one out for me ganneff, ive just changed back to the main debian server, ran apt-get update again, and i still have the 404 error on http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/updates/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.60.204 80] .
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15:46<Ganneff>whats stretch/updates? that does not exist in debian/
15:46<Ganneff>dont try security suites in main archive
15:47<blast007>!stretch sources.list
15:47<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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15:53<lsjet>I've often wondered why the variation exists in the apt urls. If I had to recreate them from memory, remembering which was 'stretch main', 'stretch-main' and 'stretch/main' is annoying.
15:53<Ganneff>historical raisins
15:53<Ganneff>(also its not with main, but the updates fuckup is historical)
15:54<Scuzzy>this is wheree im confused, because this is a fresh install of debian, no modifications to the sources.list at all. as soon as the installation had finished, i ran apt-get update, and i have been having these issues straight away.
15:55<Scuzzy>now that i have switched back to the main server (instead of the listed UK server), im still seeing the 404 issue, but now another issue is present - http://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/Release.gpg: The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt' executing apt-key.
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16:01<blast007>what installation ISO did you use and how did you write that ISO to your media?
16:03<Scuzzy>i used the amd64 dvd-1 and it was written using brasero on my previous install :)
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16:07<Scuzzy>debian-9.8.0 to be exact. i also hashed the downloaded file before burning to dvd :)
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17:16<Scuzzy>thanks for your help ganneff and blast007, im gonna leave it for another day, spent too many hours today trying to get it figured out. thanks again :)
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22:00<hoodie>what u
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