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03:59<EmleyMoor>Just had to reboot due to a loss of X display. What can I do short of rebooting if it happens again?
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04:07<Nemoder>try to ssh in from another machine
04:08<EmleyMoor>Nemoder: And then, short of rebooting, what?
04:08<EmleyMoor>(I did ssh in)
04:08<Nemoder>check logs, kill xorg if it's hung
04:08<EmleyMoor>It didn't seem to be hung - in fact, YouTube was still playing and responding to keys
04:09<EmleyMoor>However, is "xorg" the process I'm looking for?
04:09<Nemoder>maybe. run htop and see if anything is 100% cpu
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04:10<EmleyMoor>Nemoder: It's not a "running wild" situation. It's a straightforward "X display has suddenly gone blank"
04:10<Nemoder>if some rouge app in fullscreen is stuck then killing it might help. if it is a problem with a display driver then X and everything in it is gonna die anyway
04:11<Nemoder>good idea to check sys and xorg logs to see
04:11<EmleyMoor>Nothing in fullscreen. X *NOT* dying
04:12<EmleyMoor>All I can do is report my observations at this stage and ask what to kick next time it happens (this has happened two or three times only ever, but always within the last three months)
04:13<Nemoder>if xorg has lost its ability to talk to the display driver I do not know of any way it will ever restore without killing it
04:15<EmleyMoor>It's not "not talking", it just appears to be "sending a blank screen"
04:15<jm_>verify what it says about blank status with 'xset q'
04:15<EmleyMoor>I don't actually mind killing it, however... just don't like "reboot" being my only option
04:15<jm_>Monitor is ...
04:16<EmleyMoor>jm_: Now or when failed?
04:16<jm_>EmleyMoor: well it will say Monitor is On now, you should test it when you have a problem (you'll probably need to run it like DISPLAY=:0.0 xset q)
04:17<EmleyMoor>OK... It's not the monitor going off. The monitor is displaying some illumination but otherwise is blank, when this happens
04:18<jm_>ok so that's not it, then I would check X log and what dmesg says, if anything
04:19<EmleyMoor>jm_: Will do but chances are, nowt. If it happens again I will try to get live help, if not an emergency
04:19<jm_>EmleyMoor: yeah good idea
04:21<jm_>I think xset does not display blanking status, tried to force blank here but it immediately recovers ;)
04:22<EmleyMoor>I am sure it's "going blank without blanking", but that's hard to prove.
04:23<jm_>you can turn that off, xset s off ; xset s reset
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04:30<jm_>ok I figured out why activate would immediately go back, but I can't seem to force it into screen saver mode without DPMS kicking in even if I first disable that
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04:37<Nemoder>if DPMS kicks on for me it resets my display from 144 back to 60 when it wakes up and I have to reset it manually every time
04:38<jm_>how do you force that?
04:39<Nemoder>sleep 1; xset dpms force off
04:40<jm_>ahh I thought you reset it back to 144Hz, I know about force off
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04:40<Nemoder>oh sorry, I just use xfce's display settings
04:40<Nemoder>i guess i could use xrandr to change it back
04:41<jm_>ahh silly me, forgot about xrandr
04:41<jm_>still stuck in times when no such thing existed for X :)
04:42<Nemoder>I prefer xfce because it has a checkbox that pops up the dialog when a new display is connected which is a good reminder to reset it
04:42<Nemoder>I'm thinking nvidia just doesn't like displaylink cables that much.. I dont think i had the problem with dvi
04:42<jm_>any other OS to test with?
04:43<Nemoder>eh I could liveboot something i guess, just haven't bothered
04:44<jm_>i was thinking test with windows (manufacturer will only test with that)
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04:46<Nemoder>I would probably be more willing to replace all my hardware before installing windows :)
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07:23<domovoy>hi
07:24<domovoy>setting up kerberos by following http://techpubs.spinlocksolutions.com/dklar/kerberos.html, when 'addprinc -policy user domovoy' i get 'WARNING: policy "user" does not exist', and kadmin.log says "kadm5_get_policy, user, Read-only file system"
07:25<domovoy>i had an issue with systemd about /var/log/kerberos not being in ReadWriteDirectories, i guess this is related, but directory should be rw for krb5 policies?
07:25<domovoy>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=926783
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13:54<LeviM>I'm trying to build openmpi via the source package. I've installed dependencies via `apt build-dep -y openmpi`. Then I get the source with `apt source openmpi`. I'm a bit shaky on what is next.
13:54<LeviM>Eventually I'll need to apply a diff to add more build options, but I'm not quite to that part yet.
13:57<LeviM>I tried using `dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc` as recommended (https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/build.en.html) but it failed after a while. I got quite a few errors/warnings like this: `config/opal_get_version.sh: not found` but it eventually fails with:
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14:00<LeviM>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/cq5J789p/
14:01<LeviM>This is my first foray into source packages, so sorry. Is there any way to see output from the command that failed? Not sure how to debug this.
14:02<bremner>LeviM: did you try "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -b" in the unpackged source directory?
14:03<bremner>(-b is extra compared to what you mentioned)
14:03<LeviM>Nope. Trying that now.
14:05<LeviM>Command is still running. Looks like `-b Equivalent to --build=binary`. Why would that have any impact here?
14:05<LeviM>I guess, what is the default build?
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14:07<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to use youtube-dl but it always fails with this: http://paste.debian.net/1077013/
14:08<EmleyMoor>(is this something out-of-date in stretch?)
14:09<sney>,v youtube-dl
14:09<judd>Package: youtube-dl on amd64 -- stretch: 2017.05.18.1-1; stretch-backports: 2019.01.17-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2019.01.17-1; sid: 2019.01.17-1; buster-multimedia: 2019.01.24-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2019.01.27-dmo1
14:09<sney>try the one from backports. youtube-dl in buster worked fine for me the other day
14:09<phazon>EmleyMoor: youtube-dl in the repo ages quickly; you might try the binary in backports
14:10<blast007>I tend to just install/upgrade it with pip3
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14:11<EmleyMoor>Ah... I see
14:11<phazon>i just 'git clone' instead of dealing with all the pip nonsense
14:12<sney>2019.01 is plenty recent. bpo will do the job for you
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14:14<LeviM>bremmmer: still fails.
14:15<LeviM>Same spot. I'm trying `apt source --compile openmpi` now, to see if I can do that, independent of any commands I may have goofed.
14:16<LeviM>Oops, bremner*
14:18<bremner>LeviM: probably -b doesn't make a difference in your case, now that I think about it. It mainly means don't bother looking for .orig.tar.{gz,xz}, but you have that
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14:19<LeviM>Okay, I found a log:
14:19<LeviM>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/bsYvlTpU/config.log
14:20<LeviM>My guess is it has a dep on jdk that isn't listed.
14:21<bremner>huh.
14:21<LeviM>...except I have default-jdk alreayd.
14:23<bremner>what version?
14:23<bremner>it seems to want openjdk-11
14:23<bremner>or at least that's what my unstable build is installing
14:24<LeviM>> openjdk version "10.0.2" 2018-07-17
14:25<LeviM>(I'm using Ubuntu 18.04 atm)
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14:26<LeviM>Oops, disconnected there for a moment.
14:26<sarnold>wb, you didn't miss anything while you were away
14:27<LeviM>Thanks.
14:29<bremner>LeviM: It seems to be building for me in an sbuild session (debian unstable chroot). There might be some subtle incompatibility with the older versions of the toolchain you have.
14:29<LeviM>Here's the full section for Java. Maybe it needs javah? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/H9JkUD8s/config.log
14:32<LeviM>Looks like `javah` was intentionally removed in Java 10.
14:33<bremner>as I mentioned, it's building with java 11 heree
14:33<LeviM>Debian unstable vs Ubuntu 18.04 difference, perhaps.
14:33<bremner>could be.
14:33<LeviM>bremner: what OpenMPI version does that try building?
14:34<bremner>3.1.3
14:34<LeviM>This is 2.1.1, so could be quite a few things.
14:34<LeviM>Now I wonder how they actually build this thing, though...
14:35<LeviM>I can install it, so surely it got built successfully somewhere...
14:37<bremner>If this is ubuntu, you'll have to ask them. They have their own build infrastructure
14:42<LeviM>Thanks for your help. I'll see if I can get some help in ubuntu-devel on freenode.
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15:45<mnuhmnuh>EmleyMoor: re youtube-dl, i just ignore debian's, use a local (user's ~/bin) version (it's just a python script), and cronjob updating - "14 23 * * * ~/bin/youtube-dl -U >/dev/null"
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17:01<zleap>hi
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17:02<bremner>zleap: hi. Do you have a question about using Debian stable?
17:03<zleap>not atm, i just joined here, I am trying to promote debian with a presentation
17:06<zleap>debian stable is working really well here
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17:09<zleap>i am guessing the message gets sent from the former to the latter
17:12<bremner>yes, that sounds about right
17:13<bremner>but afaik to other addresses as well
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17:14<zleap>yeah but i am now not sure if it got to anyone
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17:15<zleap>unless it forwards to multiple people and that recipient no longer exists
17:16<bremner>zleap: maybe try asking on #debian-publicity
17:16<zleap>ah ok thanks
17:17<bremner>actually, not sure what isthe press@ alias supposed to be. inquiries from journalists?
17:17<zleap>maybe
17:17<zleap>i'll ask on publicity
17:17<zleap>thanks
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17:24<zleap>so what is replacing synaptic in Buster then ?
17:24<bremner>apt?
17:24<zleap>ah ok
17:24<zleap>so just use the command line
17:24<bremner>I guess aptitude has a gui mode, I'm not familiar with it though
17:25<zleap>it did,
17:25<zleap>i find the cli is quicker anyway
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18:19<LeviM>bremner: FYI, it turns out that Ubuntu 18.04 moved from JDK 8 to 10, and it's a known issue.
18:19<LeviM>Newer Ubuntu versions avoid the problem, because OpenMPI 3.1 fixed this issue already.
18:20<zleap>whast is the eqivelent of additional drivers in Debian
18:20<zleap>*what
18:20<zleap>?
18:23<sarnold>linux-modules-extra-* family of package
18:23<mnuhmnuh>zleap: firmware (binary blobs vs. code) & non-free (non-debian acredited said blobs).
18:24<zleap>i was going to suggest if it is a plug in type (usb usually) you can try dmesg when you plug it in
18:24<zleap>see if it reports anything
18:24<sarnold>oops, wrong channel
18:25<zleap>yes
18:25<zleap>sorry
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19:05<ml|>Is it normal for the following packages to be listed in under obsolete packages in stretch: pepperflashplugin-nonfree flashplugin-nonfree ?
19:06<ml|>In the other machine that tracks testing, this not the case.
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19:12<judd>Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1:3.7
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