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06:08<Brklyn>Hi all! I've been trying to setup the debian-security archive repo for wheezy, but it looks like it expired yesterday: `Valid-Until: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:01:59 UTC`
06:08<Brklyn>Do you guys know if this going to get fixed? Am I missing something?
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06:14<petn-randall>Brklyn: wheezy has been out of support for quite a while now.
06:14<petn-randall>!wheezy
06:14<dpkg>Wheezy is the current <oldoldstable> release, Debian 7, released on 2013-05-04: https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504 ; security support ended on 2016-04-25. Wheezy is the rubber toy penguin with a red bow tie. See https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWheezy and ask me about <install wheezy> <wheezy release notes> <wheezy->jessie>. Final update <7.11>. Consider upgrading.
06:14<petn-randall>!wheezy lts
06:14<dpkg>Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts. limited commercial support extending further on exists in form of <elts>
06:15<petn-randall>Brklyn: So the security repo for wheezy hasn't been used since 2016. Time to upgrade!
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06:18<Brklyn>petn-randall: thats helpful, I can't really upgrade, its a builder image and we need wheezy for libc compatibility reasons :(
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06:19<Blendie>"can't upgrade wheezy" is not an option if it's online
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06:20<jm_>even commercial LTS will end very soon so you really have no proper solution
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06:20<jm_>is this about building binaries to support older releases?
06:20<petn-randall>Brklyn: Not much I can say other than security support ended 3 years ago. Since you're not following security practices, you can just remove it.
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06:21<Brklyn>jm_: yes
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06:21<bremner>Debian LTS stopped supporting wheezy in May of 2018
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06:21<bremner>https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
06:21<petn-randall>Sure, but that was through wheezy/updates.
06:22<Brklyn>The archive was still getting updated just days ago: `Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:01:59 UTC` : http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/dists/wheezy/updates/InRelease
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06:22<petn-randall>The timestamp, not the contents though.
06:22<jelly>Brklyn: if you need wheezy, make your company support the paid ELTS effort
06:22<Brklyn>Yes, I am aware of that. That was my original question.
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06:23<jelly>apt has a workaround to get packages if you need to install something, tho
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06:23<jelly>!valid-until
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06:23<dpkg>valid-until is, like, apt-get/aptitude -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false and/or see https://ftp-master.debian.org/#validuntil
06:23<jm_>Brklyn: so your customers will run into the same issue - what do you think they will do? alternative, try looking into building using specific symbol versions
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06:24<Brklyn>my customers don't necessarily run wheezy, just the binaries we build on it
06:24<jelly>!elts
06:24<dpkg>Limited commercial support for wheezy exists in form of Extended LTS, see https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended and https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts/
06:24<Brklyn>OK jm_, I guess we should probably do something like that.
06:26<jelly>(elts repo, should you enable that, has the complete set of wheezy + wheezy-lts + their own packages)
06:27<Brklyn>Thank you, dpkg jelly
06:28<Brklyn>using specific symbol versions with cgo might be challenging AF....
06:29<Brklyn>Thank you all for your input :)
06:30<jm_>Brklyn: https://lwn.net/Articles/771441/#Comments has some discussion
06:32<jm_>ahh cgo :)
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06:37<domovoy>hi
06:37<domovoy>kerberos/sshd: is there any way to change the principal used by sshd? (like ssh/example.org@REALM.FOO instead of host.example.org@REALM.FOO)
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13:23<vezult>So, I'm attempting to upload a custom debian AMI to EC2, and it keeps telling me that my kernel is not a supported version. The AWS docs say that they support Debian 9.0-9.5. To try to make them happy, I used the kernel distributed on the 9.5 install DVD..
13:23<vezult>no luck
13:23<vezult>has anyone else had success uploading custom debian AMIs to AWS?
13:23<vezult>If so, what kernel did you use?
13:29<sney>does the doc say anything else about kernel support? versions, arch, options etc?
13:30<sney>hang on, looks like there's a special 'cloud' kernel package.
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13:30<sney>so you'd want linux-image-$(uname -r)-cloud-amd64
13:31<sney>vezult: ^
13:34<vezult>sney: it doesn't really say, or I'm missing it. There is a list of supported kernel versions for ubuntu/RHEL, but not for debian
13:34<vezult>just general release numbers: 9.0-9.5, 8.x-8.7
13:35<sney>look at the other stuff I said
13:35<vezult>yeah, I'm seeing that in bpo
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13:36<vezult>nothing in the release.
13:37<vezult>the stupid thing is, once it is uploaded, I can use any kernel I like
13:37<vezult>I think the other time, I installed debian 8.7 and upgraded it once it was imported.
13:38<sney>apt says this cloud image is signed so that's probably how they're doing it, looking for a signature instead of actually parsing contents
13:41<vezult>OK, well, I really only need/want it in order to enable the upload, so I suppose that will do.
13:42<vezult>sney: thanks, I'll give that one a whirl.
13:42<sney>np
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13:53<mnuhmnuh>i woke up this am to a _dead to all input_ box sitting at wdm login prompt; had to boot hd from a live cd. wtf? runs fine once going?!? :-P hates that sort of $#@!
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13:54<sney>some hardware fails slowly. you may want to start shopping for hard drives.
13:55<vezult>mnuhmnuh: Make sure you've got backups :-)
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13:57<mnuhmnuh>i do not want to hear such things. anananana...
13:59<vezult>mnuhmnuh: clonzilla is a nice tool to image drives. If you suspect imminent drive failure, it might be nice to image it now, then if things fail, you can restore targeted backups on top of your image
14:00<sarnold>also smartctl may be nice
14:00<vezult>if your filesystems aren't full, you can often store your image on a much smaller drive than the one you are imaginge.
14:01<vezult>clonezilla knows about most common filesystems, and can store just those blocks you've used
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14:10<animal>how long after release are security advisories posted on debian.org main page?
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14:19<mnuhmnuh>sarnold: i just fiddled w smartctl in the last few weeks, said everything was hunkydory. grr. :-P
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14:20*mnuhmnuh shouldn't i be hearing clanks and clunks and such like when a diff. gear goes? :-(
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14:21<sarnold>sometimes, sometimes you just get garbage data back :)
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14:22<blast007>smart doesn't detect all failures
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14:27<sqrt{not}>mnuhmnuh: does "dead to all input" include not responding to network (I'm thinking ssh-ing in to it) ?
14:30<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: wish i had that option, but i suspect ethernet access could have given better info. seemed to be running fine, showed login screen, just didn't want to do anything.
14:32<mnuhmnuh>touch keyboard, mouse, wdm login displays for seconds, then screen goes black, monitor/lcd powers off.
14:34<mnuhmnuh>reboot, black screen, wdm login displays for seconds, black screen. boot from live cd, select boot from hard drive, success. now boots from hd fine by itself. gremlins?
14:36<mnuhmnuh>intel onboard svga, wdm, debian "gotcha", neutrino emissions, ...
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14:42<sqrt{not}>I try always to be logged in at VC3 so I can use that to try to understand what's up, when the fancy graphics world seems to freeze.
14:44<sqrt{not}>Last time I needed it: I went to bed, with some web page still loaded, which apparently included something that wanted to mine bitcoin or something -- when I finally got to my VC3 login (after MINUTES of waiting after C/A/F3), the box was swapping nonstop
14:45<sqrt{not}>But top was my friend, and I killed the one web-content process, and got the box back without booting
14:47<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: yeah, i couldn't even get to ctrl-alt-f1, no response/display, nuffin. fsck.
14:48<mnuhmnuh>lcd got so bored, it turned off.
14:49<vezult>so, just FWIW, re: my AWS AMI image upload woes...using the newest kernel from debian jessie was permitted.
14:49<vezult>unsigned, etc
14:50<mnuhmnuh>i've since swapped out wdm for lightdm. testing, ...
14:52<sqrt{not}>In the above case I think I had to wait a little more than 20 minutes (!) to get to VC3, but I wasn't in a hurry, and I really don't like to power cycle a running system. I got control back from VC3
15:00<mnuhmnuh>sqrt{not}: i should admit that about a half a 26 of tequila was tangentially involved (yesterday/evening), but i didn't ... ya know. :-|
15:03<sqrt{not}>mnuhmnuh: that should help you be more patient, maybe ?
15:04<mnuhmnuh>"smartctl -a -i /dev/sda" reports "No Errors Logged" at least
15:06*mnuhmnuh "patience my ass. i'm gonna kill something." -- vulture perched on a cactus to another hungry vulture.
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15:08<mnuhmnuh>i don't do weird $#@! to my computer late at night. we're far to old to be doing crap like that.
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17:17<ml|>Is it normal for the following packages to be listed in under obsolete packages in stretch: pepperflashplugin-nonfree flashplugin-nonfree ?
17:21<DNS>in stretch yes
17:21<DNS>but flash is dead imho
17:22<ml|>Yes, flashplugin-nonfree has not worked in a while. Though there are some that are working on a solution.
17:23<ml|>Was asking, since in the other machine that tracks testing, this not the case.
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17:34<rant>flash is not even going to be supported by adobe anymore after this year
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17:41<ml|>That is great news had forgotten about that. Do care for flash, was just asking because it seemed odd they where marked obsolete in stable and not testing.
17:41<ml|>*Do not
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22:05<lavamind>hello, I'm trying to install buster on a Allwinner A13 (arm) device
22:05<lavamind>I've succeeded in booting kernel and the installer with a usb flash drive, but now am stuck where the installer can't find an ISO
22:06<lavamind>if I drop to a shell and mount /dev/sda1 I can clearly see its there debian-buster-DI-alpha5-armhf-xfce-CD-1.iso
22:06<lavamind>I'm wondering what might be preventing the installer from detecting the image...
22:07<sarnold>I know nothing of the installer in question, but I expect it's looking for the iso as the raw data on a block device, not a file in a filesystem
22:08<sarnold>unless you've got docs somewhere saying that it's looking for a file named something.iso, of course :) the usual approach is to use dd to write the iso to a memory stick (and clobbering all the files on the memory stick in the process)
22:09<lavamind>sarnold: aaah hrmm
22:10<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner
22:10<lavamind>sarnold: that seem counter to what is written on the wiki daily-images/armhf/daily/
22:10<lavamind>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Arm/OtherPlatforms
22:10<lavamind>"If you install from a local storage media (instead of tftp), you can put a Debian-installer .iso file to the same media and the installer will use them"
22:12<lavamind>blast007: thanks, I think I've got the wrong ISO
22:12<sarnold>heh, "put a file to the same media". that's pretty ambiguous.
22:13<sarnold>I would have interpreted that solely as "write the iso to the device using dd or cp" .. but I can easily see how you'd read that as "put the iso file on a filesystem on the device"
22:13<sarnold>if the latter is allowed they ought to at least say which filesystems it can read at that point.
22:16<lavamind>sarnold: that Allwinner page is more explicit about it, and it does say which filesystems it can use
22:20<sarnold>lavamind: ha! that does say more or less exactly what you said it says :D
22:20<lavamind>oh, hum... "NAND flash available on some sunxi-based systems is not supported.
22:21<lavamind>so I cant install Debian onto UBIFS ?
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