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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-04-17

---Logopened Wed Apr 17 00:00:00 2019
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02:01<grummund>Hi, anyone knoe if it should be possible to run Windows 64-bit in a KVM on Debian with 32-bit kernel, albeit the cpu is 64-bit.?
02:03<jm_>from KVM FAQ: The only unsupported combination is a 64-bit guest on a 32-bit host.
02:04<jm_>one interesting scenario is if you use 64bit kernel on a 32bit OS
02:05*grummund installed debian with 32-bit kernel some time ago not realising the machine was 64-bit :p
02:06<grummund>been putting off an upgrade for long time
02:06<jm_>I simply migrated all my systems from 32bit to 64bit installs
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02:06-!-strsljen is "Mario Pranjic" on #debian
02:07<strsljen>hi
02:10<strsljen>I am looking for fladbed scaner supported by debian9. I found some candidates (Canon Canolide 120 for example), but I also found not so promising user stories. :/
02:10<strsljen>any recommendation for flatbed scaner is more than welcomed
02:10<grummund>strsljen: i have the Lide 220 and it works fine
02:11<jm_>maybe check the http://www.sane-project.org/ web page and ask in their IRC channel
02:11<strsljen>grummund: oh. that is good feedback.
02:11<strsljen>grummund: you are using sane package from debian9 distro?
02:12<grummund>strsljen: actually under raspian, derived from debian, but yes using sane.
02:12<strsljen>grummund: any chance you check with version of sane you have?
02:12<strsljen>I would *really
02:13<strsljen>I would *really* like to avoid installing sane outside from debian9 repo
02:13<strsljen>if possible
02:13<strsljen>jm_: I did that. but then I googled a bit and found out people reporting issues wirh sane version, this and that...
02:14<strsljen>I setup new debain machine for my dad. his ols canon canolide 90 is just not supported
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02:14<grummund>strsljen: fwiw it's on Raspbian GNU/Linux 9.8 (stretch)
02:15<grummund>strsljen: also i haven't bothered to make the buttons do anything, in case that's a requirement of yours.
02:16<strsljen>not relly. it just needs to work via simplescan
02:16<strsljen>buttons are not mandatory :)
02:16*grummund uses gsan2pdf
02:19<strsljen>lemme see lide 200 availability here locally
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02:23<strsljen>hm
02:23<strsljen>close, but no banana
02:23<strsljen>only 220 model available
02:23<strsljen>http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-CANON
02:24<strsljen>it states it is supported too
02:24<grummund>strsljen: i have the Lide 220 and it works fine
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02:34<strsljen>grummund: I found that one. getting that.
02:34<strsljen>thanks a lot! :)
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02:37<grummund>np
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02:47<strsljen>cya guys. l8r :)
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03:43<xxzz^>has anyone used kdialog for user input and $var
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13:41<znoteer>/etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator point to /usr/bin/xfce4-terminal.wrapper. I want it to point to /usr/bin/urxvt, so I ran update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator as root and chose urxvt, and then ran update-alternatives --auto. /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator still points to xfce4-terminal.wrapper. Have I misunderstood what update-alternatives is for, or did I do it wrong,
13:41<znoteer>or something?
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13:50<znoteer>oh wait, I think I know. I shouldn't have run "update-alternatives --auto" afterward
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19:10<ullbeking>is anybody here using slack on debian buster?
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19:14<somiaj>slack?
19:14<somiaj>,v slack
19:14<judd>Package: slack on amd64 -- jessie: 0.15.2-6; buster: 1:0.15.2-9; sid: 1:0.15.2-9; stretch: 1:0.15.2-9
19:14<somiaj>I assume you are talking about that? What question do you have about slack (polls aren't the best way to get a question answered)
19:18<sarnold>well, you never know, in an hour someone might say "yes", and then tomorrow we'll find out what the real question is :)
19:18<k-man>anyonne else seeing this error with google's chrome repo? The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 1397BC53640DB551 Google Inc. (Linux Packages Signing Authority) <linux-packages-keymaster@google.com>
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19:43<ullbeking>somiaj: judd: my question is as follows... is the only to install it to use the dpkg from the slack.com website? and also, as this is proprietary software, running it is effectively equivalent to using the non-free debian package repository, is that correct?
19:44<somiaj>ullbeking: https://packages.debian.org/buster/slack -- I don't think we are talking about the same thing.
19:45<somiaj>What I asked is did you mean 'slack' as the debian package, which is free softweare (it is in debian main) and you can install it from debian's repos.
19:45<ullbeking>somiaj: indeed not
19:45<ullbeking>i was talking about this: https://slack.com/downloads/linux
19:45<somiaj>If you actualy question is 'how do I install some third party software in debian', the answer is becareful and do this on your own.
19:45<ullbeking>which makes me :-(
19:45<somiaj>!don't break debian
19:45<dpkg>from memory, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
19:46<somiaj>That link has some suggestions for properly dealing with third party software not in debian. In this case if they provide a .deb, make sure that .deb is compadabile with debian buster, if it is not, try some other options.
19:46<ullbeking>yes, so this is why my solution is to get a completely separate machine, install windows or debian plus a VM on it, lock it down as an untrusted machine in my network, like a DMZ, and then run slack on there and forward the interface to my local machine via X11-forwarding or RDP
19:47<ullbeking>somiaj: i think installing third-party debs, especially propreitary ones in my main driver os is asking for trouble
19:47<somiaj>#debian dosen't often support third party software, but that don't break debian link covers some things to watch out for when installing third party software in debian.
19:47<somiaj>totally depends on the .deb, who created it, and if they created it for the version of debian you are running or not.
19:47<ullbeking>exactly
19:47<somiaj>but you do have to put your trust in this third party matainer. Some are fine, others are garbage. Do some research
19:48<ullbeking>somiaj: i have been using slack for years and i don't trust them at all
19:48<ullbeking>so there
19:48<ullbeking>i've answered my own questoin
19:48<ullbeking>thank you
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20:10<stj>ullbeking: i just open slack in my web browser, and i don't find this to diminish the experience at all
20:11<ullbeking>stj: oh yeah
20:11<ullbeking>the browser
20:11<ullbeking>i forgot that is an option
20:11<ullbeking>thx stj
20:11<ullbeking>i also discovered https://github.com/wee-slack/wee-slack
20:14<stj>i haven't used that one, but i have a coworker that uses it, and seems to like it
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20:52<ullbeking>stj: i'm installing it right now
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