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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-04-26

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06:09<peter1138>Hmm, daily old-stable systemd updates, pom-te-pom.
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07:41<ed>hi, i am intending to install debian to a usb flashdrive, preferably working on both bios/csm and uefi machines. What is the preferred way to install debian such that the partitioning + grub/other-bootloader is correctly configured for this usecase?
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07:43<ed>I am hoping for an approach which is likely to also work in future versions of debian, so especially just a small deviation from the regular gui installer would be great :)
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07:55<jm_>ed: I will have to go now, but have you considered using debian-live instead?
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09:03<rant>most UEFI machines would have an option to boot legacy
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09:04<rant>like most things microsoft created, UEFI should not be used :P
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09:23<cookins>Hello
09:23<cookins>Anybody can help me with proftpd in Debian?
09:24<cookins>It won't start
09:24<cookins>Not showing any errors
09:24<grove>Have you checked all logs?
09:24<grove>(I have never used proftpd)
09:25<cookins>There no logs
09:25<supaman>check systemctl status proftpd
09:25<cookins>Sec
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09:32<cookins>here https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/v0n0yQwz/Screenshot_2019-04-26-16-31-33-242_com.arpaplus.adminhands.png
09:32<cookins>But it's not running
09:32<cookins>It's exited
09:33<supaman>yeah, and cleanly, not faulting
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09:33<supaman>so something is stopping it
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09:34<cookins>From webmin it's not even starting
09:35<supaman>try starting it again (sudo systemctl start proftpd) and check both systemctl and journalctl afterwards
09:35<cookins>Sec
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09:48<grove>Please don't post images of what is just text
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09:56<cookins>i restart server and tried to start it again https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/F4XgQsop/Screenshot_2019-04-26-16-54-57-316_com.arpaplus.adminhands.png
09:57<cookins>Ah sry
09:57<cookins>My copy paste from SSH not working on phone
09:57<cookins>Let me get to PC...
09:59<guardian>hello, how can I follow progress so as to get a sense of how close we are to Buster release?
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10:01<supaman>guardian: follow the amount of RC bugs, when getting closer to 0 the release will happen
10:01<guardian>thanks
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10:12<cookins>Any hints?
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10:23<supaman>cookins: it seems to have started fine
10:25<cookins>But it's exited
10:25<cookins>It's not started
10:25<cookins>Seems it started and exited fine :)
10:26<animal>I ssh to my vps and almost never close the connection. For the past days, after some idle time my terminal (gnome) freezes and after a while I a packet_write_wait connection to x.x.x.x :Broken pipe. This only happnes when idle, never when I'm interacting with the vps
10:27<animal>i got some error messages from fail2ban and disabled it for a bit but nothing
10:27<supaman>cookins: hmmm ... strange, you can try to strace the startup procedure and see if anyting catches your eye there
10:29<supaman>animal: did the ssh package get updated on your vps?
10:29<animal>the vps is fully updated
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10:29<supaman>animal: good, but did this start to happen after you updated ssh?
10:29<animal>could be
10:29<animal>not for shure
10:29<animal>sure
10:30<supaman>there is a timer option in ssh that says to close connection after a certain amount of idle time
10:30<supaman>could be an update has changed the config file and put in the timer option
10:30<animal>in sshd.conf
10:30<animal>?
10:30<supaman>yeah
10:30<animal>will check
10:30<supaman>think so
10:31<jhutchins_wk>It could also be entirely outside the OS, something happening with the network closing idle connections.
10:31<animal>not in sshd_conf
10:33<supaman>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/334437/ssh-connection-reset-after-idle-for-some-time could be this
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10:35<peter1138>Yeah, it's usually something doing NAT that cuts of connections before the 'default' 2 hours.
10:36<animal>im not talking about hours, but a few minutes idle
10:36<animal>i used to be logged on for hours or days without issues
10:37<supaman>animal: and the clientaliveinterval (not called timer, forgot the exact name but looked it up) is not set in sshd on your vps you say ...
10:40<animal>i have no such setting
10:40<animal>will check out fot it
10:42<supaman>anyways, you can try with ssh -o TCPKeepAlive=True user@host
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10:51<animal>there is a "TCPKeepAlive yes" in sshd_config
10:52<animal>i idled in sshd_conf and the terminal froze again
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11:37<sqrt{not}>animal: I added in my client-side /etc/ssh/ssh_config this line: ServerAliveInterval 240
11:38<sqrt{not}>when I was having (suspected NAT-caused) random disconnects over a complex connection path
11:40<animal>im checking that now. -o tcpkeepalive did nothing
11:42<sqrt{not}>I also added this line, don't remember now exactly what it means: ServerAliveCountMax 45
11:45<animal>it means how many intervals are to be sent to the server when the client doesnt get a response from the server
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11:49<animal>this didnt work either...
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16:41<XTF>Hi. Does Debian 9 support the i7-8700 and i9-9900 CPUs?
16:43<sarnold>you may need to ask a more specific question
16:44<sarnold>are you asking about "do the i7-8700 and i9-9900 CPUs support debian?"? in that case, yeah, they should be able to boot and run debian
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16:44<sarnold>if you mean, "are debian packages compiled with flags that would allow the compiled executables to use some specific list of features offered by i7-8700 and i9-9900 CPUs?" then you'd probably need to be a lot more specific about the features in question.
16:47<XTF>sarnold: It's the former, a hoster said: "Debian does not support the hardware yet."
16:50<Ganneff>thats usually not the cpu, but some other stuff around.
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17:45<Delta-One>Debian runs fine on my i7-8750H
17:52<ach>!bug
17:52<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
17:53<ach>!snap path
17:54<ach>i don't get whats it but it destroys the path
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22:04-!-dpanter is "realname" on #debian #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-kde
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23:42-!-silver is "Jesse Lee Morgan" on #linux #mm #neurodebian #debian-offtopic #debconf-cambridge #debian-kde #debian-science #debian-next #debian #debian-meeting
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