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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-04-28

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04:48<Posterdati>hi
04:50<rant>not yet, but we're working on it
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08:10<zleap>hi
08:10<zleap>i am dropping in and out while i try and sort my config out
08:10<zleap>\save
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10:46<samantha->still trying to figure out how which physical drives are throwing startup errors. http://paste.debian.net/1080302/ (errors start line 829). all eight drives passed a long SMART test
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12:07<supaman>samantha-: this might help you out https://serverfault.com/questions/244944/linux-ata-errors-translating-to-a-device-name
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12:09<samantha->thank you, i'll dig
12:16<chomwitt>using pip or other package manager inside debian is a ''bad habit'' that could break debian ?
12:18<bremner>pretty much. maybe not in venvs, I'm not really familiar
12:19<bremner>chomwitt: anything that installs into /usr is almost certainly a bad idea
12:20<samantha->why would you do that? apt is excellent and is the reason i started using debian in the first place.
12:21<@themill>If it's an esoteric enough language that nothing in Debian uses it then it's hard to break things, but python is sufficiently useful that there are lots of python packages that you can break by installing incompatible versions of modules.
12:21<@themill>If you use pip --user or pip inside a venv, you at least only break things for that user or within that venv.
12:22<bremner>but since most machines (of people asking help on #debian) are single user...
12:22<@themill>well two users: uid 1000 and 0.
12:23<@themill>If you've only broken 1000, then at least you've still got root and maintainer scripts aren't hosed.
12:23<chomwitt>i do lately experiments -learning with wsgi and virtualenv and o have sidetracked to read little about docker and stuff , i stumbled upon issues that look trivial (do i sudo pip or not ) and i wonder if there is a mentality here (docker-snap-pip .. ) that maybe could become a ''bad habit''
12:24<@themill>I'd prefer it if running pip as root caused it to bail out.
12:27<chomwitt>so i guess i should make another user , at least, with which i'll do all the pipfile , downloading git-dev packages stuff..
12:29*chomwitt thinks shouldnt there be a debian good practice doc to python webdevs to guide developers , like PEPs? or i miss sth from the existing docs ?
12:31<chomwitt>themill: thanks. i'll create another user
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13:43<gfp76>I am trying to get my postfix/amavis setup working but it am missing the libzeromq file/lib why is this missing any suggestions?
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14:03<gfp76>anybody got any suggestion as to hoe to get amavis to run
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14:39<gfp76>anybody home?
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14:41<bremner>gfp76: how did you install amavisd?
14:41<bremner>and what is the exact error message? (pastbin if more than a line)
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15:02<hombre713>hello I am experiencing a problem with my usb ports. On boot I get the repeated error "device not accepting address n, error -71"
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15:04<hombre713>i have googled around for solutions but alas I am still having issues. I read this is likely to be a physical problem with my laptop. That is almost a good excuse to buy a new machine
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16:12<gfp76>bremner, sorry I have been tearing my hair out.
16:13<gfp76>bremner, installed postfix, dovecot, amavis, clamav ..., everything was working until recently
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16:32<maxxe>I'm creating a Debian package from an upstream tarball. But I have a question... What happens when a new release comes out...? Shall I save the files created by dh_make under debian/* for further use? In a Git branch or something? What's the approach?
16:33<gfp76>bremner, the problem seems to have been resolved! I was looking at net:server file in usr/lib ... tcp.db with an editor accidentally anned a space , delete my mistake. and things started working. don't ask me what i did but it woked. sorry to have bother you.
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16:38<gfp76>bremner, the only other thing I did was to remove amavis-mc from init.d. amavis-mc need a python ZQM (?) which does not seem to be included in buster.
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17:16<pert>maxxe: if you want to use git for packaging, look into git-buildpackage (gbp)
17:17<pert>but regardless, you will want to save the debian/* files, they will need hardly any modification to accommodate new versions
17:22<maxxe>pert: ah, yeah. thanks. I found a good guide too: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
17:24<gfp76>silly ? what are the advantages of exim4 over postfix/dovecot
17:27<bremner>you know that dovecot is a totally different thing from postfix and exim4, right?
17:29<amacater>An MTA is an MTA is an MTA :) The Debian packaging of either exim4 or postfix heps you configure them on install which is nice - but not everyone needs an MTA and I'm not surre that either is installed in Buster by default
17:30<gfp76>bremner: yes, I understand that.
17:31<bremner>ok. i'd say postfix and exim are like emacs and vim: people just have personal preferences
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17:32<gfp76>I ask because I currently use postfix and a have for some time, but I wondered if there was some show stopper feature one or other.
17:34<gfp76>bremner: I thought that might be the case. Nothing to see here move along please>
17:34<amacater>If you use postfix, continue to use postfix :)
17:35<Kryczek>Hi! I can't seem to get pattern matching in /etc/network/interfaces to work; I see "Ensure allow-* also allows pattern matching" was added in ifupdown 0.8.21 but I do have a newer one (0.8.35) and I am completely stuck...
17:35<amacater>[Exim was the default in Debian for a long time because one of the developers was an academic and it was familiar for some folks in academia?? ]
17:37<grove>I believe postfix is more widely used in big setups, so it might be a little easier to find help for postfix if you have a big setup (but then you probably wouldn't ask here).
17:43<gfp76>My setup is a family server, I haven't counted the users, but I think its about 10-15.
17:45<ach>!hi
17:45<dpkg>hello, ach
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21:41<fudge>is there a live-build support channel here somewhere?
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21:56<sqrt{not}>there is a #debian-live on this server, I don't know how active it is
22:00<ach>!live
22:00<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. For Debian 8 "Jessie", you CANNOT install in <UEFI> mode from a Debian Live image. See <live stretch>.
22:03<sqrt{not}>Thanks, ach. There is also a mailing list, see https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/
22:04<sqrt{not}>BTW & FWIW: Host live.debian.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
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23:25<ilbelkyr>As you may well know, Freenode has been a frequent target of trolls, spambots, and scammers since its very inception. Despite this, we are the premire FOSS collaboration platform on the Internet. Our team of staffers and even Mark Shuttleworth himself have worked dilligently to ensure Freenode remains a safe, supportive platform where the FOSS commununity can thrive. The costs of network monitoring and the lawsuits mounted by Larry Ellison and
23:25<ilbelkyr>Oracle have presented challenges to Freenode's very survival.
23:25<ilbelkyr>Mark Shuttleworth and Freenode staff have now unveiled the Make Freenode Great Again plan! Partnering with Huawei, we are in the process of installing an intelligent firewall that will defend against any DDOS or massive spambot operation using Huawei's predictive computing technology, the same software used to track and control China's Uighur Muslim minority.
23:25<ilbelkyr>Trolls will be recognized based on these predictive patterns and automatically blocked. This system, however, will be costly, and we need your help paying for licensing and installation.
23:25<ilbelkyr>If every active member on Freenode were to pledge just $0.50 USD, we could pay for this system and our hosting fees for an entire year. Remember that the defense of FOSS is possible thanks to your efforts.
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