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---Logopened Fri May 03 00:00:23 2019
00:02<Yst>Oksana: Do you need to copy the partition, or is copying the files over just as good?
00:02<Yst>If the later, you could use rsync.
00:02<Oksana>Copying files over is just as good. Just, it needs to cope with bad sectors on old hard drive.
00:03<Yst>rsync --recursive <source> <destination>
00:03<Yst>That migth work, but I'm not sure if it'll work with the bad sectors.
00:03<Oksana>I see ddrescue of a partition here https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/306263/using-ddrescue-to-retrieve-data-off-a-failing-ntfs-disk , but it's OSX, not Linux?
00:03<Yst>I don't have enough experience to say. Sorry. If the sector with the data is mountable (is it?) it should work.
00:04<Yst>Oksana: I think the Linux one of those is "testdisk", but I can't swear to that.
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00:06<Oksana>testdisk sounds good, what does it do?..
00:08<Yst>If I recall, it allows you to read data out of corrupted partitions. I never was able to recover my own data using it, but apparently it's pretty good at copying your data if it's actually salvageable.
00:09<Yst>You'd need to look up how to use it though. It's been years since I last used it. It might have been "testdisk /dev/sdb", but replace "sdb" with the disk of your choice.
00:10<Yst>Oh, plus you'd need to install it first. It might be "sudo aptitude install testdisk".
00:10<Oksana>TestDisk is primarily designed to help recover lost data storage partitions and/or make non-booting disks bootable again when these symptoms are caused by faulty software, certain types of viruses or human error (such as accidentally erasing a partition table).
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00:12<Yst>I'm not sure if that covers your use case? What I did was wipe out the partition table by using "dd" to copy to the wrong drive.
00:17<Oksana>The problem is, I don't want to copy whole drives. I want to copy 1 partition to 1 partition.
00:19<rant>,i gpart
00:19<judd>Package gpart (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions. Version: 1:0.3-3; Size: 38.2k; Installed: 77k; Homepage: https://github.com/baruch/gpart
00:22<Yst>Oksana: Oh. I didn't realise it could only copy whole disks. My bad.
00:22<Yst>In my defence though< I also have no experience with the Mac-based tool you wanted an equivalent for though.
00:23<Oksana>Yst: It might be able to copy partitions instead of whole drive. I am just not sure how ddrescue works.
00:23<Yst>Yeah, not sure. I've never used ddrescue.
00:24<Oksana>Yst: Examples are nice https://www.gnu.org/software/ddrescue/manual/ddrescue_manual.html#Examples
00:30<Oksana>Remaining time for one partition, which is about 112GB: over one hour. Not nice. I have another 131GB partition, and another 207GB partition, and possibly another 8GB partition, ahead of me.
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00:31<Oksana>At least, 0 errors so far.
00:32<Oksana>Oh dart. Of course, I fogot all about mapfile/logfile
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01:49<ransur0t>Hi. Despite having ample available RAM, when attempting to run a dist-upgrade, I get the following error: "failed to allocate memory: Cannot allocate memory
01:50<ransur0t>I've tried killing processes and clearing /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches, but even with more available RAM, the error still occurs.
01:51<ransur0t>I've scoured forums for solutions, but none found ... any idea what's causing this?
01:55<Oksana>look at "htop" for RAM, and at "df -h" fo disk space
01:57<ransur0t>Oksana: thx, I have already done such, and everything looks good ... as a comparison, I can install/upgrade packages in a virtualenv using pip without error.
01:58<Oksana>Try "apt-get clean" ? "apt-get autoremove" ?
01:58<ransur0t>Also done, multiple times.
01:59<ransur0t>Checked file system for errors with fsck too.
01:59<Oksana>one additional thing to consider: Your system may run out of file handles or even socket buffers and still have lots of memory whilst giving the same error.
02:00<ransur0t>I was wondering about that. How would I correct that? Or identify that it was occurring?
02:00<Oksana>Does this work? "cat /proc/user_beancounters" <-- I don't expect this file to exist everywhere
02:00<Oksana>Possible culprits: "mysql or mariadb database which may, in presence of a defective PHP app, leak file handles to the hundreds per second" or "webserver has ssh open to the internet and accepts username / password logins: even if you have fail2ban running, you may have attracted a distributed dictionary break in attempt which also consumes a lot of resources"
02:01<ransur0t>no such file
02:01<Oksana>"ulimit -a"
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02:02<rudi_s>This sounds quite unlikely.
02:02<rudi_s>My first guess would be not enough memory, so that should be monitored during an update attempt first.
02:02<ransur0t>Pretty sure no intances of mariadb nor mysql, but I will double check.
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02:03<ransur0t>RAM is healthy and ample.
02:03<ransur0t>What should I be keying in on with output of ulimit -a?
02:04<rudi_s>Unless you've tinkered with the defaults, ulimit -a won't be helpful.
02:04<Oksana>I would expect many of entries to be 'unlimited'. If it thinks that any app should use less than 1kB RAM, then it would not be good
02:05<Oksana>"apt-get -f install" fixed the problem for somebody
02:05<Oksana>https://askubuntu.com/questions/810110/errors-when-runing-apt-get-upgrade-ubuntu-14-04-lts
02:05<ransur0t>output of ulimit -a https://paste.debian.net/1081263
02:08<Oksana>pending signals (-i) 5386 <-- I have 31878, but I wouldn't recommend changing anything unless you know what is going on, because it may be just different hardware. And in scheduling priority (-e) 21 <-- I have 0
02:09<ransur0t>-f install fails with same error
02:10<rudi_s>Oksana: Both shouldn't matter.
02:10<ransur0t>And yeah, agreed, best not to tinker with those sys config values.
02:10<rudi_s>ransur0t: Can you pastebin the result of the failing command?
02:11<ransur0t>Yes, hold on.
02:13<ransur0t>https://paste.debian.net/1081264
02:13<ransur0t>Also included output of free -m. Shouldn't there be a line for cache/buffer?
02:13<ransur0t>At least that's what I've seen from examples of output ...
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02:15<rudi_s>ransur0t: Depends on the version of free. - I'd try strace next, strace -f -o /tmp/log apt install -f and then grep that file for ENOMEM.
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02:17<ransur0t>rudi_s: Can't use strace, package not installed. ;)
02:17<ransur0t>Hence part of my predicament -- can't install some useful tools to run diagnostics!
02:21<rudi_s>ransur0t: Well .. apt download strace, dpkg -x and then run it from there?
02:22<holla>why not apt install?
02:25<Oksana>because apt install throws "Cannot allocate memory" for ransur0t ? But I think dpkg will throw the same? https://paste.debian.net/1081264 Depends
02:25<holla>i thought they have an issue with dist-upgrade?
02:26<ransur0t>rudi_s: i've extracted the strace package, need to run it now.
02:28<rudi_s>ransur0t: Use the relative part to strace and it should work.
02:31<ransur0t>yup, trying - still get command not found
02:32<ransur0t>nevermind, got it ... syntax error
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02:33<ransur0t>must have PROG [ARGS] or -p PID
02:34<rudi_s>ransur0t: /path/to/strace -f -o /tmp/log apt install -f
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02:38<ransur0t>rudi_s: thanks -- missed the obvious from your post above. Now to grep ...
02:41<ransur0t>Ouput of grep'd log: https://paste.debian.net/1081266
02:46<ransur0t>rudi_s: Did you have a chance to take a look at the pasted output?
02:46<ransur0t>mmap issue ...
02:47<rudi_s>ransur0t: Hm, that's weird. Assuming that's the actual error (you can check the surround messages if they are close to the printf of the error message) then it tries to allocate 1 GiB of memory so the reason seems to be the memory.
02:47<rudi_s>However I have no idea why dpkg requires 1 GiB of memory ...
02:51<rant>ransur0t: (free -hm;ps --sort -rss -eo rss,pid,command|head)|nc termbin.com 9999
02:51<rudi_s>Make sure to search the log output for the error message and see what (failing) syscalls are close. Maybe it's something else and this is just a red herring.
03:02<ransur0t>rudi_s: Thank you for you time and help. Searching /tmp/log I believe you're right about the red herring -- there's something larger going on, systemic.
03:02<ransur0t>And I'm leaning toward a clean install and extracting critical directories from a borg archive rather than continued efforts to resolve the error(s).
03:03<ransur0t>Gotta call it a night. Cheers!
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06:28<drzacek>Hello there
06:29<drzacek>BCM4313 driver on debian with kernel 5.0.3? that fancy dkms thingy can't build the module
06:30<drzacek>http://paste.debian.net/1081290/
06:30<bremner>!bcm4313
06:30<dpkg>The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) - incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For device support, ask about me about <brcmsmac>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <bcm4331>.
06:33<drzacek>https://wiki.debian.org/wl yeah the wiki told me to install broadcom-sta-dkms, so it would compile wl module
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06:34<bremner>what kernel version is that?
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06:34<bremner>ah. kernel version 5. Is that really debian stable?
06:35<drzacek>is custom kernel I builded my self
06:38<bremner>ok. It's just a guess, but I suppose broadcom-sta-dkms doesn't support kernel 5.0 yet
06:38<drzacek>:(
06:40<drzacek>isn't testing or unstable on 5.0 already?
06:40<drzacek>ah doesn't look like it has
06:40<rudi_s> No, sid is still 4.19.
07:00<drzacek>hm
07:01<drzacek>it looks like some issues with timer system, but this was changed ~4.15 (according to google), so 4.19 should have this problem solved
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07:58<kubast2>Hey I noticed that in debian-testing the nvidia optimus instructions are outdated, same really goes for arch linux wiki
07:59<kubast2>I can't get the video output in x.org no matter what, and only opensuse and ubuntu have a proper video output with newest /newer than nvidia-390/some version of 4XX
07:59<kubast2>nvidia drivers
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08:00<kubast2>I will head to eat my midday meal soon, so I might respond later than I should
08:01<kubast2>nothing seems wrong when I checked the xorg.0.log, it is just that none of the video outputs are turned on
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08:25<cc>kubast2 post lspci -nnk
08:25<cc>then post all of xorg configs
08:25<cc>all of xorg logs
08:25<cc>all of update-alternatives --get-selections
08:25<cc>and first 200 lines of glxinfo
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12:03<EmleyMoor>i have the Gnome Desktop's alert/calendar thing stuck on my desktop. How de I dismiss it?
12:04<EmleyMoor>No worries, I've somehow done it
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12:58<catern>how can I install an older package from backports? I have (and am running) Linux 4.16 from backports, and I want to install linux-perf-4.16 so I can use perf, but it appears that's been removed from backports or something? since the kernel in backports has upgraded to 4.19?
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13:03<sarnold>catern: I think snapshot.debian.org is your best bet http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/linux-perf-4.16/
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13:19<catern>thanks :)
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13:44<kubast2>To the guy that tried to help me with nvidia install, it turns out that reinstalling debian and installing nvidia driver+setting up optimus worked this time around
13:45<kubast2>thanks I guess, but it kinda worked just like that this time around
13:46<sarnold>cc: ^^
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14:58<jhutchins_wk>,v perf
14:58<judd>No package named 'perf' was found in amd64.
14:59<jhutchins_wk>,v linux-perf
14:59<judd>Package: linux-perf on amd64 -- stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u6; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u7; stretch-backports: 4.19+104~bpo9+1; buster: 4.19+104; sid: 4.19+104
14:59<jhutchins_wk>,kernels
14:59<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); buster: 4.19.0-4-686-pae (4.19.28-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (4.19.28-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-9-686 (4.9.168-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.9.168-1~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
14:59<judd>3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
15:01<jhutchins_wk>catern: Why not just upgrade to yhe current backport kernel?
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15:08<catern>jhutchins_wk: didn't want to restart
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17:11<scientes>I am trying to install on ppc64le and am geting
17:11<scientes>touch: /var/run/brltty-Xorg: No such file or directory
17:11<scientes>how do i install without a gui
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17:15<scientes>grub seems to work
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17:19<holla>scientes: '# apt install APPNAME'
17:29<sqrt{not}>scientes: see the installer boot parameters, if you mean you want to have the installer in text only
17:29<sqrt{not}>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ppc64el/ch05s03.html.en#installer-args
17:30<scientes>what is "newt"
17:30<sqrt{not}>maybe also helpful to follow the advice about expert boot method, so you can say yes or no to various installed subsystems
17:30<sqrt{not}>newt is "new text" which means text with color and bold, etc.
17:30<scientes>oh that should work
17:32<scientes>cat: can't open '/var/run/console-device': No such file or directory
17:34<scientes> /sbin/reopen-console: line 71: can't create /var/run/console-device: nonexistent directory
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17:38<jl6854>hi, is this the place to be to ask for some help in setting up a mail server?
17:38<scientes>jl6854, just to warn you--it is quite involved, and spam is really difficult
17:38<scientes>i ended up just forwarding everything to gmail so i wouldn't have to deal with the spam problem
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17:39<scientes>oh this is probably my problem 0.387471] Initramfs unpacking failed: write error
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17:43<sqrt{not}>newt is "new text" which means text with color and bold, etc.
17:43<sqrt{not}>(grrrr, darn recall buffer)
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18:05<jl6854>I painfully realized, how hard it is to setup a mail server. I thought it should be easy, at it is kind of a default service for every webserver... How wrong i was
18:06<sarnold>it *was* easy back in the 90s..
18:06<scientes>jl6854, use postfix
18:06<jl6854>So, I tried installing a server with postfix, dovecot and postfixadmin
18:06<scientes>you also need spamassassin
18:07<jl6854>And spamassassin
18:07<scientes>its the spam the eventually makes most people who try quit
18:07<scientes>the rest is doable if you are dedicated
18:07<jl6854>I have a server with two domains, and I want to manage them with a webinterface.
18:08<scientes>I mean, i have a main server, but it just forwards everything to gmail
18:08<jl6854>First question: Is virtual users and domains the right choice for me?
18:08<scientes>and gmail won't send email under other domain names like it use to anymore---it just forwards the mail to that domain's mail server these days
18:08<scientes>jl6854, you don't need any of that
18:09<jl6854>Why not? I want to be able to manage multiple e-mail addresses and storing the mails locally on my server, not a google server
18:10<scientes>just add multiple system accounts
18:10<scientes>virtual is when there is no /etc/passwd account
18:10<jl6854>I thought it would be really nice when I could manage the addresses with just a table-entry.
18:11<scientes>yeah its not hard either
18:12<jl6854>I hoped so but I can't get it working. I have set everything up, but can't connect to imap or smtp
18:12<scientes>set up imap first
18:12<scientes>**smap first
18:12<scientes>imap is a little more involved
18:13<scientes>also imap has performance problems---i ended up just using mutt over ssh
18:13<sarnold>smap?
18:13<scientes>smtp
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18:13<sarnold>ahhh
18:13<scientes>getting them confused haha
18:14<sarnold>I had heard 'jmap' recently and wondered if 'smap' was something I'd missed ..
18:14<scientes>jl6854, here is my main.cf http://paste.debian.net/1081381/
18:15<scientes>jl6854, and IIRC you have to have ipv6 working or gmail won't talk to you
18:16<sarnold>hah, I hadn't heard that. that's one way to get people to deploy ipv6...
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18:16<jl6854>Thx, what's the difference between smtp_tls_sec... and smtpd_tls_sec...?
18:16<scientes>smtp is port 25, while smtpd is port 587
18:20<jl6854>Hm, ok, why are most settings regarding auth (sasl, tls, ...) only for smtpd?
18:20<scientes>no, gmail will display a "no secure" padlock unless you support tls on port 25
18:21<jl6854>And once you have smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot set, dovecot will use its authentication methods for a username/pwd resolve?
18:22<scientes>yeah, that is for port 587
18:22<scientes>and i just use dovecot with pam
18:22<scientes>so it uses /etc/passwd
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18:27<jl6854>Ok... So let's check if I get this right. Situation is I want to send an email: I use SMTP with SASL and provide my username and password, which is forwarded to dovecot. Dovecot will authenticate me. Then postfix tries to resolve the recipients mail server and sends it to its smtp server.
18:29<jl6854>So postfix as my smtp server will, if configured correctly, only accept either outbound mails from local addresses (meaning registered virtual domains and users) with sasl auth or inbound message with recipient for the virtual users
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18:30<scientes>jl6854, there are two access lists, one for accepting outbound mail, and one for accepting in-bound mail
18:30<scientes>outbound is smtpd_relay_restrictions
18:30<jl6854>And why do I need spamassassin then, if could just filter out spam locally after I fetched the mails via imap?
18:30<scientes>jl6854, you also want a rbl---you want to be able to reject spam *before* you accept it
18:30<petn-randall>jl6854: Unless you're a fan of old school protocols, use a mail service like gmail, posteo or whatever you're willing to pay for.
18:31<scientes>jl6854, you have no idea how much spam you will get
18:31<scientes>its insane
18:31<petn-randall>jl6854: Setting up a mail server, especially for incoming mail is not for the faint of heart.
18:31<scientes>and its all Chinese these days
18:32<petn-randall>And for outgoing you'll have the problem that some MTAs (gmail, yahoo) will simply refuse to accept your mail unless you set it up properly.
18:32<scientes>gmail is really good about accept mail
18:32<scientes>like they won't reject you just because you are from a dynamic ip address
18:33<scientes>you can send mail to gmail using telnet
18:33<petn-randall>Err, what?
18:33<scientes>well a telnet client
18:33<petn-randall>I'm 100% sure they don't accept mail from dynamic address ranges, unless you authenticate.
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18:33<scientes>petn-randall, yes they do
18:33<somiaj>funny, I think it is the outgoing mail that isn't for the faint of heart, since that requires making sure everything about your server is correct and you have an ip with good rep to ensure you get mail not taged by spam filters.
18:33<scientes>petn-randall, what is your gmail address?
18:34<petn-randall>scientes: I don't have one.
18:34<scientes>somiaj, i also ran into problems because my TLD is so new
18:34<somiaj>well that is if you care about your out going mail getting into inboxes of people who use gmail, yahoo, msn, etc.
18:34<petn-randall>somiaj: Well, if mail doesn't go out, you'll always notice. Setting up good anti-spam measures takes time to adjust.
18:35<somiaj>scientes: yea, modern spam filters check so many things, and if any one is even slightly off, it may either get put into spam or /dev/null.
18:35<jl6854>This is so frustrating, as I want to be more independent from google and googlish services.
18:35<somiaj>petn-randall: yea, I guess it is more getting the out going mail into inboxes that is the problem I was adressing, vs just sending it out into the world.
18:35<petn-randall>jl6854: You can, just expect it to suck way more time than setting up a web server.
18:35<scientes>somiaj, i've had really important things, like a airplane ticket, go to the spam folder
18:36<scientes>yeah web servers as super easy in comparison
18:36<somiaj>I watched on of my mail servers drop its rep by a large amount just doing an upgrade to a newer system (centos 5->6 when 5 hit eol here). Took almost a month to earn that rep back....it is almost like confguring to a black box hoping you got everything right.
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18:37<somiaj>so I'm happy all my servers now use google apps mail and our google it techs handel it, mostly because I don't want to invest that much time and knowledge into setting up a mail server correctly.
18:37<jl6854>I can't believe it's so hard :/ Like every company and so many websites have their webservers set up :/
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18:38<somiaj>jl6854: mail servers aren't hard to setup, they are hard to setup correctly so mail can be relaiable inboxed that you send out.
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18:39<somiaj>and there is where a lot of the problems are. You have to also have your dns and reverse dns correctly setup to match your mail server and so on.
18:42<jl6854>I've spent the entire day now, still with just little reward.
18:43<jl6854>But maybe I will succeed tomorrow
18:44<petn-randall>jl6854: Note that mail has been around for 40 years, so it carries a metric ton of cruft with it.
18:45<jl6854>petn-randall: even that I painfully realized.
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19:00<ransur0t>rudi_s: If I recall correctly, it was you that provided help and guidance last night regarding a memory allocation error with apt.
19:02<scientes>like you don't even technically need a mx record
19:02<scientes>in dns
19:03<ransur0t>You were right about the red herring -- the issue turned out to be several corrupt files in /var/lib/dpkg/info, several of which listed massive sizes and were owned by a non-existent user.
19:03*DNS pulls a mx record out of him and throws it in the channel
19:04<scientes>DNS, you have to expect highlights with a nick like that!
19:04<ransur0t>Identifying them with file /var/lib/dpkg/info/* | grep data$ and subsequently deleting all and force reinstalling fixed the corrupt files, then a dist-upgrade was possible.
19:04<ransur0t>Just wanted to provide feedback for closure and thanks.
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