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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-05-04

---Logopened Sat May 04 00:00:25 2019
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01:24<rudi_s>ransur0t: Thanks for letting me know, that really sounds weird. Have a look at debsums to check if there are more corrupt files. And you might want to check the disk with SMART/badblocks/etc. and maybe the RAM. I'm not sure I'd trust that system very much in that state as it sounds like it could corrupt other files as well at any time.
01:37<ransur0t>rudi_s: Agreed - good suggestions for further diagnostics. Thanks again, and respect.
01:39<rudi_s>You're welcome ;-)
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07:08<kenn14>anyone here excited for buster stable release?
07:09<snowyfox>I'm not too excited..!
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07:09<snowyfox>I won't have any trouble with it at all, but
07:09<snowyfox>I expect that it'll be another comfortable upgrade, that's all...
07:10<snowyfox>I've been having a great time in stretch so far, so yeah...
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07:10<snowyfox>The bug fixes will be the nicest part!
07:10<snowyfox>But anyway, I'm more excited over the DPL change
07:10<snowyfox>I hope there'll be a lot of nice initiatives and stuff...
07:11<bremner>well, if you like DPL changes, you'll be happy to know they happen every year
07:11<snowyfox>Hopefully this year's one will be slightly more special, at least
07:11<snowyfox>Has Lamb really only been leading for a year?
07:11<bremner>no, maybe a couple.
07:12<bremner>I'm just saying a new DPL isn't that big of deal for the project
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07:14<bremner>nevermind me. It's great you're enthused.
07:15<snowyfox>It's not so much the DPL change by itself, that one's kinda minor but
07:15<snowyfox>I somewhat read everyone's manifesto and there was this consensus that lots of things need to be changed and
07:16<snowyfox>I guess I'm excited and hoping for some overall changes
07:16<snowyfox>More sweeping stuff that'll get everyone involved, or something
07:16<snowyfox>But I am a super novice developer, hence why
07:17<snowyfox>Users probably wouldn't mind it too much
07:17<snowyfox>Also, what time is it there !
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07:36<snowyfox>Signing off for the night...
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13:33<boud>A running instance of firefox-esr 60.6.1esr-1 has suddenly decided to block almost all my privacy/security plugins such as umatrix. Is there a debian recommendation for how to use firefox together with standard plugins?
13:33<boud>Or a specialised channel for asking about this?
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13:36<mister_sir>I managed to goof up file ownership of all of /var. With the help up backups and some `find` scripts, I managed to fix most of it, but I'm having trouble finding the proper user:group for /var/log. Most of my searching yields "root:syslog", but the syslog group doesn't exist. Any idea what generic permissions should be? Debian 9.9
13:37<mister_sir>boud: https://www.engadget.com/2019/05/03/firefox-extension-add-on-cert/
13:38<Kamparano>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1548973
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13:38<mister_sir>Mozilla is working quite hard to resolve it, not sure when the fix will hit the repos, or if it's something they'll be able to fix by updating a cert...
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13:39<sqrt{not}>mister_sir: on my stretch box, most of /var/log is root:adm a few are root:root and a couple other specialized
13:40<boud>mister_sir, Kamparano - thanks! so it's a firefox/mozilla bug; we're not forced to throw away our plugins :)))
13:40<mister_sir>sqrt{not}: perfect, thanks!
13:41<mister_sir>boud: yeah, took me awhile to sort that out this morning -- no AdBlock is quite a shock!
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13:43<boud>When this is fixed, I recommend you look at umatrix rather than AdBlock - https://riseup.net/en/better-web-browsing .
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13:44<boud>mister_sir your_right_honourable_excellency - same as sqrt{not} - I get a mix: ls -ld /var/log/* |awk '{print $3,$4}' |sort |uniq -c |sort -n -k1,1
13:44<boud>The last few results are:
13:44<boud> 51 root utmp
13:44<boud> 66 root adm
13:44<boud> 93 root root
13:45<boud>And I have nine lines each of which occurs only once. It depends on what packages you have installed.
13:46<mister_sir>Thanks, boud. I'll take a look at umatrix -- as long as I can use my custom adblock filters with it, I'm happy :)
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13:49<boud>umatrix shows you an interactive matrix: rows = domain names, columns = type of request (cookie, html, script, XHR, frame, and a few others) and has a good intuitive user control for enabling/disabling, setting preferences, for any column/row or individual position - red = bad, green = good; optionally add new changes to standard choice for "this" website. Anyway, you can try it later.
13:52<mister_sir>Thanks boud. If you want to get Firefox extensions back up and running, you can do about:config --> xpinstall.signatures.required = false. A bit of a security risk, but unless you're installing new extensions, it's probably acceptably safe. (just remember to set it back to true in a day or two!)
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13:55<k8>hello
13:55<boud>mister_sir: Wow - cool! Thanks! That works. :))) I normally only install new extensions a few times a year, so a few-day time scale should be safe.
13:56<k8>is here someone who knows BIND9 ?
13:57<mister_sir>k8: if you've got a question, just go ahead and ask -- anyone who can help will, or someone may direct you to a different channel.
13:57<k8>well I got installed bind9 on stretch
13:57<mister_sir>https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
13:57<k8>trying to make it a slave server
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13:58<k8>with dig command I transfer the zone file from the master to the slave
13:58<k8>but bind can't transfer it
13:59<k8>"refresh: non-authoritative answer from master ............ (source 0.0.0.0#0)"
13:59<k8>actually I'm trying to figure this out for a week now
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14:00<k8>but all I get is my slave bind not working
14:02<k8>and it is really annoing because I got 5 servers, and you can imaging if you have to change a record in zone file :)
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14:04<k8>the strange thing is that I don't have a problem with squeeze
14:04<k8>so I think it's some king of "security" issue
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15:19<dpalacio>how good or bad is the kernel ntfs module compared to ntfs-3g? should I still use ntfs-3g for safe writing to ntfs partitions?
15:20<towo`>yes, you should
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16:28<Xylon>hey guys does anyone know why my firefox extension "uBlock Origin" stopped working on Debian Stretch firefox-esr?
16:28<kompowiec2>because 52 version firefox ESR stopped support
16:28<Xylon>in-fact it's now vanished completely
16:29<kompowiec2>try update to buster
16:29<kompowiec2>acutally is RC1
16:29<Xylon>ESR 60.6.1esr
16:30<kompowiec2>ach right, i checked
16:30<kompowiec2>ealier was 52
16:31<Xylon>what does Debian 10 have?
16:31<pert>it could have to do with this
16:31<pert>https://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-add-ons-disabled-en-masse-after-mozilla-certificate-issue/
16:32<pert>Buster also uses 60 ESR
16:32<Xylon>wow "Users of all Firefox versions, old and new, and Stable and Nightly, are impacted."
16:32<kompowiec2>ouch
16:32<kompowiec2>massacre
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16:34<Xylon>OK well thanks I guess I'll just wait for a fix
16:34<kompowiec2>Xylon: i recommended SeaMonkey too. No have telemetry in default, support clients email, irc, torrent, ftp, rss
16:34<kompowiec2>it's official fork Firefox
16:35<kompowiec2>most of the existing add-ons should work after conversion
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16:36<Xylon>hm, it looks cool actually
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16:37<olasd>using a web browser with the attack surface of firefox that hasn't seen an update in a year is a really, really, *really* bad idea
16:37<Xylon>since FireFox dropping live bookmarks for RSS,atom
16:38<Xylon>olasd: it receives security updates only, that's what ESR means
16:38<olasd>Xylon: I'm reacting to kompowiec2's advice
16:38<olasd>seamonkey hasn't been updated since July 2018
16:39<Xylon>:o
16:39<kompowiec2>:(
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16:46<sqrt{not}>Of course, emacs has a builtin browser (M-x eww)
16:47<olasd>eww indeed :D
16:48<kompowiec2>militant vim here :P
16:48<kompowiec2>hovewer
16:49<kompowiec2>!ssh brow.sh
16:49<Kamparano>w3m is pretty nice too
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16:49<Kamparano>though unmaintained I think
16:49<kompowiec2>w3m not supported javascript proably
16:49<Kamparano>that's arguably a feature
16:49<kompowiec2>https://www.brow.sh/
16:49<kompowiec2>it's better ;)
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17:48<Blendie>appears Debian makes the partition table gpt on uefi on default
17:48<Blendie>which means i can have more primary partitions than 4, right?
17:50<k8>is that still a thing ?
17:50<k8>to split 1 HDD ?
17:51<Blendie>no, real nerds don't use fs at all, they dump thier data straight to the disk with fixed order
17:51<Blendie>...
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17:52<Blendie>can anyone explain this to me?
17:53<Blendie>ok i found a website explaining this
17:54<Blendie>i need a thumbdrive now
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18:12<toad_>Is this the channel for buster?
18:12<kompowiec2>every version
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18:12<toad_>Are we going to get a Firefox update for https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/certificate-issue-causing-add-ons-to-be-disabled-or-fail-to-install/39047 ?
18:13<bremner>no, this is the channel for stable
18:13<bremner>buster is #debian-next
18:13<toad_>Ah ok
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18:53<life_of_e>Hi all, I'm trying to sort out a static route issue on my Stretch gateway/firewall and a Stretch VPN server (separate devices). Added a static route on the gateway advertising that packets destined for the VPN range should go to the VPN server IP.
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18:53<life_of_e>Problem is when a packet comes in from the VPN, replies never return to the VPN client.
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18:55<life_of_e>This used to work under a very old kernel (2.x, forgot the exact version it was OpenWRT) but when I replaced the router I could no longer route as expected.
18:57<cc>I am not a networking expert but it sounds like you need forwarding and nat
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18:58<life_of_e>Yes, I put that in temporarily but I do not want that
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18:58<life_of_e>I want to see exactly which client is connected. With NAT that's hidden away
18:58<kompowiec2>i used ZeroTier for bypass NAT, when port fordward isn't avaliable
18:59<life_of_e>I'm not trying to bypass NAT, I'm trying to use standard routing through my VPN server
18:59<life_of_e>Which means I don't want NAT at all
18:59<cc>is your vpn server doing forwarding?
18:59<life_of_e>It's doing routing
18:59<life_of_e>It has static route tables
19:00<cc>cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
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19:00<cc>this needs to be on I think
19:00<life_of_e>Yes, ip_forward is enabled
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19:02<cc>so there are several places to check
19:02<cc>1) do packets properly arrive from clients to gateway
19:02<cc>1) do packets properly arrive from gateway to vpn server
19:02<cc>3) do packets properly arrive from vpn server to final destination
19:03<cc>4) do responses arrive from final destination to vpn server
19:03<Blendie>/.12
19:03<cc>4) do responses forward correctly from vpn server to gateway
19:03<life_of_e>The packets starting with the VPN client make it all the way to the intended destination (any server on my internal network)
19:04<life_of_e>The response does not initially go back towards the VPN server and it appears the gateway never suggests the replacement route
19:05<cc>seems like there is no route backwards then
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19:05<life_of_e>But there is
19:05<life_of_e>If I manually add the return route to an individual server it works
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19:06<life_of_e>But if I try to let the gateway inform the server how to reroute the packet it doesn't work
19:07<life_of_e>Under the old router, I only had to add the static route there and any attempts to reply through the gateway received an ICMP redirect
19:07<life_of_e>I don't seem to be getting ICMP redirects anymore
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19:10<life_of_e>The bigger problem is that I can't add default routes to everything, I was relying on the gateway to do the redirect
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