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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-05-14

---Logopened Tue May 14 00:00:39 2019
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03:27<EmleyMoor>Mow do I deslug my gdm session? It is running way too slowly to be useful
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06:52<minikdo>hi, debian 9.8, I need to run pppd (with noauth) non-root. It says: /usr/sbin/pppd: using the noauth option requires root privilege
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06:55<jm_>sudo?
06:56<minikdo>no really, polkit?
06:56<jm_>or maybe look at if you can do it via call name
06:56<jm_>man page suggests so
06:56<minikdo>I have a modem that I often connect/disconnect
06:57<minikdo>I've never setup polkit rules
06:57<minikdo>but I've add one for ModemManager and it works
06:58<minikdo>jm_: how to get the call name?
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06:59<jm_>minikdo: man pppd and search for that string, it's described there - it seems you can specify it there
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07:01<jm_>last there → peer file
07:02<minikdo>jm_: thx
07:02<jm_>minikdo: no problem
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09:12<SPaCENuT>Hey there, is there any online documentation for nabcakes like me that shows me how to properly setup ipv6 routing on my debian etch router for my lan?
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09:13<peter1138>Debian Etch? Where did you find that relic?
09:13<SPaCENuT>stretch i mean doh :)
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09:13<peter1138>Phew!
09:13<SPaCENuT>been years since i've worked with debian... etch is still branded in my memory :D
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09:15<peter1138>Okay, so enable ipv6 forwarding via /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf and then... er... that's about it?
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09:16<SPaCENuT>it is enabled.. but to no avail... :(
09:19<SPaCENuT>have 2 interfaces, enp0s25 which gets a dhcp lease for ipv4 and a dhcp lease for ipv6. have set my 2nd if enp2s0 to get a static ipv4 and a static ipv6, then set radvd to advertise on enp2s0 .. and sure all local pc's connected to it get a nice ipv6 addr but can't get anything to the wan (eg: i can ping enp2s0 from the attached clients, but not enp0s25)
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09:23<sep>SPaCENuT, since you use static ipv6 on lan. what mechanism are you using for the isp to learn what wan ip to use for the lan prefix ?
09:25<sep>SPaCENuT, since you have dhcp on wan i would guess you perhaps could use DHCP-PD on wan to get a prefix of ip addresses. and from that pool of prefixes you would pick one /64 for lan. and the dhcp snooping on the isp edge would learn where to forward the prefix based on the dhcp-pd
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09:28<sep>SPaCENuT, or how did you learn what ipv6 prefix to use for lan ip? if you got that from the isp there was perhaps some other information as well regarding how to announce it?
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09:41<drzacek>Hello there
09:43<drzacek>so I noticed that there are 2 entries on my apt sources.list. One is for "normal" (??) software, other for security updates, right? Whats the difference between them? Are security updates also .deb packages? Why don't they come with normal repos?
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09:45<DusXMT>drzacek: Basically, so that security fixes can be shipped as fast as feasable, while the main repository gets updated at a slower pace
09:46<drzacek>DusXMT, are the updates in security also included in normal repo eventually?
09:46<sep>yes they are also deb packages ; https://www.debian.org/security/
09:46<drzacek>sep, yeah already read that.
09:47<sep>drzacek, when there is point releases yes. like the recent debian 9.9 https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190427
09:47<drzacek>So lets say there is some security problem in package X, lets say in generic-text-editor-with-gui package. The security update will contain a patched version of that program and replace it?
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09:49<DusXMT>drzacek: indeed, that's how updating packages works
09:50<DusXMT>There aren't really any "incremental" packages as far as I know
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09:56<DusXMT>(well, I guess .udeb packages could be seen as incremental, in that they modify the system but don't keep a record of the files they changed, they just unpacked some stuff, but those are meant for an installer environment where the temporarily constructed system will be wiped out by a reboot.
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09:57<drzacek>DusXMT, so if I wanted to make a local repository and update my systems from it, I would have to fetch from both, normal repository and security repo?
09:58<DusXMT>drzacek: Indeed
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10:18<SPaCENuT>sep: i reckon i got things all wrong - back in the old when i used etch i was getting ipv6 using sixxs (a tunnel broker) - from what I remember I had to setup an extra tunnel interface with the ipv6 of the tunnelbroker, create a static ip address on the lan interface and have radvd advertise the prefix to my lan and have ipv6 forwarding enabled... things worked like a charm back then... now
10:18<SPaCENuT>however I get ipv6 natively from my isp which for some reason won't work in SLAAC (eg. setting it on auto in interfaces) but will get an ip when I set it to dhcp. From thereon I've tried to use my prefix to create a static ip on my lan interface and have radvd advertise it to my clients.. but routing is not working which seems logical...
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13:22<ullbeking>hey all, is there a debian-on-laptops channel or webpage, etc?
13:22<jitterstick>what distro do you have?
13:22<ullbeking>debian buster
13:22<jitterstick>what is the problem?
13:22<ullbeking>i would like to run main, with no non-free
13:22<jhutchins_wk>ullbeking: What's your actual question?
13:22<ullbeking>my questions is this...
13:23<mendelmunkis>good luck getting working wifi
13:23<ullbeking>i would like to purchase a new laptop, preferably lenovo, that can debian buster with the main repository, and doesn't require any non-free blobs
13:23<ullbeking>yes, wifi could be an issue
13:23<ullbeking>the one exception is this...
13:24<ullbeking>which laptop can have its wifi easily replaced to use a free driver
13:24<ullbeking>so let me rephrase...
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13:24<ullbeking>i would like to purchase a new laptop, preferably lenovo, that can debian buster with the main repository, and doesn't require any non-free blobs, aside from potentially having to easily replace the wifi nic so that it can use a free driver
13:25<ullbeking>is this possible?
13:25<ullbeking>and where else would be a better place to ask if appropriate?>
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13:25<mendelmunkis>in my experience most nics are easily replaceable but i dont know if there are any decent ones with free firmware; just my 2 cents
13:26<TZubiri>an old thinkpad t400s fits the bill, and it has the blessing from rms
13:26<ullbeking>mendelmunkis: ok, so it's do-able even on new laptops? i guess it will void the warranty though.
13:27<ullbeking>TZubiri: i'm well family with old lenovo's like the t400
13:27<ullbeking>familiar*
13:27<ullbeking>i am looking for a modern/new laptop
13:27<mendelmunkis>yes. there are some companies that wont void your warranty though
13:28<ullbeking>i will check out lenovo and see if they do
13:28<mendelmunkis>Personally i like eluktronics
13:28<ullbeking>mendelmunkis: i don't know eluktronics. will check it out
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13:29<ullbeking>i heard people raving about the levnovo t470. i got the impression that one was great for some reason
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13:30<TZubiri>Been trying to configure a network with an ethernet cable for the local network and a wifi for internet access. But the ethernet always gets priority for internet access, since it doesn't have any, internet stops working. I tried ip route del commands, and it works for a momento, but they keep getting reset.
13:30<ullbeking>ok, so basically they all compatible except for wifi cards..? also, if anybody can please point me to a specialised channel or webpage, please let me know.
13:30<jitterstick>https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-ThinkPad-20HR000FUS-1920x1080-Display/dp/B06XHP7CHT?tag=makeawebsitehub-20
13:30<ullbeking>thx jitterstick
13:31<ullbeking>jitterstick: do you recommend over 6th gen, for example?
13:31<jitterstick>listed here https://makeawebsitehub.com/best-laptops-linux/
13:32<jitterstick>ullbeking for drivers new may have issues that require kernel compiling.
13:32<TZubiri>I'm going through man interfaces, but I feel icky about modifying system files
13:32<ullbeking>jitterstick: that's cool. i'm ok with kernel recompiling.
13:32<ullbeking>thx for the link too
13:33<jitterstick>free is not necessarily any different than non-free unless it is country specific, if so use a mirror from the country you are in, or get the .deb from the company website from within the country.
13:34<jitterstick>most is copyright issue i would think.
13:34<ullbeking>jitterstick: basically, my requirement is that my /etc/apt/source.conf can have "main" and doesn't need "contrib" or "non-free"; however i'm ok with replacing the wifi card so as to keep "non-free" out of there.
13:35<jitterstick>ullbeking is there a specific reason?
13:36<jitterstick>ullbeking or just a personal challenge.
13:37<ullbeking>jitterstick: a recommendation for a friend. he wants to be libre-friendly without making life difficult. i personally run libreboot on an x200, but i don't think he wants to go that far.
13:37<ullbeking>in other words, once you enable non-free it opens the floodgates to all the other non-free software in that repo
13:38<ullbeking>and also, wanting to be as libre-friendly as possible without voiding warranty
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13:39<blast007>ullbeking: most new laptops will have an 11ac wifi card, and I don't believe there are any free software options there
13:40<ullbeking>blast007: thx for that info. it's very interesting, a good starting point for research.
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13:41<jitterstick>well patent and copyright will not only void warranty, but violate law and trade agreement. So I would shoot for a laptop 7 years old or more.
13:41<jitterstick>I think 7 years is patent law
13:41<ullbeking>jitterstick: yes, i have many older laptops, such as the x200, etc. and they suit me just fine.
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13:42<ullbeking>x230 is the most recent laptop that is acceptable to my personal requirements
13:42<blast007>ullbeking: Purism does sell laptops that don't need any blobs in Linux (unless you want bluetooth to work) and they have most of the blobs removed from the motherboard firmware as well, and they use Coreboot with Intel ME disabled and stripped out as much as they currently can.
13:42<jitterstick>I am on an asus eeepc,but have non-free, and use openoffice.
13:42<ullbeking>blast007: yes, i think they just use me_cleaner. but x200 can remove me entirely.
13:42<ullbeking>oooh
13:42<ullbeking>has anybody here seen the pinepc laptop?
13:42<ullbeking>pinebook pro?
13:43<ullbeking>https://www.pine64.org/pinebook-pro/
13:43<ullbeking>aha!
13:44<blast007>that one is interesting, but it does have a keyboard layout that I'm not a fan of
13:44<ullbeking>here is the laptop somebody recommended to me the other day... it does coreboot and runs openbsd, so those are good signs... https://system76.com/laptops
13:44<ullbeking>i mean, if it can run openbsd well then that's a good sign for running linux well
13:45<blast007>"runs" isn't a very exact meaning though :)
13:45<jitterstick>runs is pretty sketchy
13:45<blast007>but system76 systems do all come with linux, afaik
13:46<jitterstick>ullbeking how about a raspberry pi?
13:47<blast007>at one point system76 was rebranded clevo computers. not sure if that's still the case or not.
13:47<jitterstick>Well, in any case wifi would not be good.
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13:48<jitterstick>do you have dd-wrt?
13:48<blast007>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_wireless_drivers
13:49<DusXMT>While it might be slightly inconvenient, one can always get a wifi dongle
13:51<jitterstick>Perhaps this will grant perspective of the issue. https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/solving-the-open-source-vs-proprietary-driver-debate-in-the-linux-kernel/
13:51<blast007>https://www.thinkpenguin.com/catalog/wireless-networking-gnulinux
13:52<ullbeking>jitterstick: i'm more of a orange pi kinda guy, myself ;-)
13:52<ullbeking>blast007: what's the deal with system76?
13:53<ullbeking>and yes, thinkpenguin is a good store. i have a mini-router from them.
13:53<ullbeking>it runs librecmc, very cool little embedded os.
13:53<TZubiri>Orange pi's ethernet is so much better than raspby's, it's a deal breaker
13:53<blast007>I know little about system76
13:53<TZubiri>something like 60mbps vs 1gbps
13:54<ullbeking>TZubiri: they are a lot better value imo
13:55<blast007>the Pi3+ has gigabit (but still USB 2.0 attached) ethernet, so it gets something like 200 to 300 now
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13:56<ullbeking>i'm not a fan of these ethernet/sata interfaces that are really just adapters to usb
13:56<DusXMT>jitterstick: Personally, I'm of the opinion that having a 98% free software system (a distro like debian with some firmware blobs and perhaps non-free drivers, with almost full hardware support) is far better than a 5% free software system (windows, with full hardware support), the alternative that non-invested people would see to a 100% free software system that barely works
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13:56<ullbeking>DusXMT: i have the same opinion
13:56<TZubiri>Yup, running a production mini router on a raspbpi, gonna regret it pretty soon methinks.
13:57<jitterstick>I do not know why anyone would purchase a Porsche to place 10 inch spoke daytons on it and convert it to run off of natural gas.
13:57<TZubiri>@DusXMT Same here, but even more biased towards non-free blobs.
13:57<jitterstick>I am sorry, but I had to say it.
13:57<ullbeking>jitterstick: that's why i was wondering about what is a modern, new laptop that is as libre-as-possible
13:58<ullbeking>but i accept a few blobs, e.g., in the wifi. but i would prefer not to have them.
13:58<ullbeking>but essentially, as long as it runs in a stable way, power management works, etc, then i'm happy
13:58<blast007>for wifi you're either stuck with 11n or blobs
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13:58<jitterstick>You do not have the blobs, the computer does, and it *feels* better with them?
13:59<ullbeking>blast007: i accept that
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13:59<DusXMT>ullbeking: Keep in mind, the firmware runs on the networking hardware itself, it's not being run by the processor / OS
13:59<ullbeking>DusXMT: yes, i understand that
13:59<ullbeking>and i know there are blobs everywhere in the system
13:59<ullbeking>in the hdd/ssd controllers, for example
14:00<ullbeking>my comparison is this...
14:01<ullbeking>i remember a long time ago it was a challenge to get linux to run on a laptop _at all_. these days, it's at least mostly possible, depending on which model you get.
14:01<jitterstick>It is like pooring biodiesel in a porsche without converting it, and saying it runs well downhill. Linux coders work very hard to provide working proprietary drivers.
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14:01<DusXMT>The witchhunt against firmware misses the whole point in my opinion: the fact that the hardware itself is proprietary. Of course, it's useful and invaluable, but this is the reason why I believe supporting efforts like RISC-V and the open hardware movement is important
14:01<DusXMT>(as in, the existing hardware being useful)
14:01<ullbeking>i am looking for the laptop which is the least pita for running debian on, preferably lenovo
14:02<TZubiri>Do we have things like circuit board maps for things like cpus?
14:02<ullbeking>TZubiri: no, nor do we have them for the mainboards, etc
14:02<ullbeking>the only modern computer we have all of that for is the talos ii
14:02<ullbeking>of the RISC-V in some various guises
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14:04<TZubiri>I think the expectation for everything to be open source is unreal.
14:04<TZubiri>When you walk into a building, its blueprints aren't accessible to everyone.
14:05<DusXMT>TZubiri: But what about the house that you live in?
14:05<jitterstick>Well any laptop with non-free will be less of a pain in the a**. Look at the benchmarks of nvidia's driver vs nouveau
14:06<jitterstick>https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nouveau-summer-2018&num=2
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14:06<TZubiri>@DusXMT It *might* be worth the investment to require blueprints for the house I live in. The position I am often against is not walking into a hotel because I don't have its blueprints.
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14:07<TZubiri>Even if you have blueprints for your house, do you have the blueprints for your water heating tank?
14:08<TZubiri>I mean, that would be commendable though
14:08<TZubiri>Badass even.
14:08<jitterstick>To think that someone would wish to repeat all the frustration that the linux developers went through and go through to develop proprietary drivers in order to engineer, once perfect, the exact same thing is outright lunacy.
14:08<DusXMT>TZubiri: No, but having access to the blueprints could reveal that there's a booth you didn't know about where a spy usually sits and takes notes.
14:09<ullbeking>blast007: here is an article about the clevo: https://bsdly.blogspot.com/2017/07/openbsd-and-modern-laptop.html it came up during a discussion i had with openbsd folks about running openbsd on a laptop (which is when system76 was discussed, as well as a few other laptops)
14:09<TZubiri>Blueprints are so deep that I would need the skills to identify possible booths and spy payloads, at some point I have to trust my house provider or spend my life studying houses.
14:10<jitterstick>How about we print you out a copy of the kernel source and title the book linux, then you can put it on your lap.
14:11<jitterstick>If you want to fight for open source do it with petition and proper engagement with companies.
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14:11<ullbeking>jitterstick: i get your point... it's not a difficult one to understand
14:12<ullbeking>plus, i am of the opinion that one must choose which battles one fights
14:12<jitterstick>The whole movement is right on part with vegan house cats.
14:12<jitterstick>par*
14:13<ullbeking>my experience last time i ran a "random" laptop with linux, it was a challenge to even get power management or audio working at all
14:13<jitterstick>Perhaps you would like a vegan house cat
14:13<ullbeking>jitterstick: are you addressing me?
14:13<jitterstick>ullbeking yes, on the issue of non-free
14:14<ullbeking>jitterstick: i'm trying to explain myself, and i think it's quite clear that i'm not a rapid foaming foss type, and i'm just trying to contextualize why i'm looking for what i am
14:14<ullbeking>no need to be sarcastic
14:14<DusXMT>ullbeking: Debian works just fine on my "cheap acer"
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14:15<DusXMT>One thing to look out on Lenovo systems is that if the EFI partition somehow gets corrput, you might have trouble booting from an external medium, and/or booting at all
14:15<DusXMT>(since to enter the boot menu, you have to go through an already-booted OS or bootloader, eg. a menuentry in grub)
14:16<TZubiri>The fix for that is quit simple, don't partition your drives. One OS per device keeps you happy.
14:16<jitterstick>what is the exact issue one runs into with proprietary software that one would avoid without. on a problem free computer?
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14:17<ullbeking>DusXMT: yes, i have experienced that issue before
14:17<ullbeking>that's why i generally stick to BIOS mode rather than UEFI
14:17<ullbeking>TZubiri: yes i agree, i don't dual boot
14:17<DusXMT>Eh, BIOS is a mess
14:17<TZubiri>I think that's a very general question: Not being able to inspect the behaviour is th ebiggest one.
14:17<DusXMT>from a programmer's point of view
14:17<ullbeking>DusXMT: yes, it is
14:18<TZubiri>Not being able to change the behaviour being another one.
14:18<ullbeking>but on older computers uefi is functional mess
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14:19<ullbeking>for example, on my hp t630 plus, if i install debian it will install in uefi mode and then at the end the whole thing is unbootable
14:19<ullbeking>i have to go to great lengths to get d-i to install in bios mode
14:19<DusXMT>ullbeking: Or you could boot a live CD and try to get the bootloader working
14:20<ullbeking>DusXMT: my research so far has indicated that the stock bios has hardcorded strings in its bios that select its behavior based on ridiculous criteria of the boot media
14:20<ullbeking>it's an issue with the computer, not so much with debian
14:21<ullbeking>for example, if i were to install red hat, this wouldn't happen (probably)
14:21<jitterstick>uefi is integrated with the operating system, like a cell phone that can be remote activated.
14:21<jitterstick>it has priority issues in my opinion.
14:21<jitterstick>If you set the bios to legacy before botting to install it should install legacy.
14:22<ullbeking>jitterstick: indeed
14:22<jitterstick>I think it is a national security thing.
14:22<jitterstick>uefi i mean
14:22<TZubiri>Usability-Libre spectrum, I can control my keyboard behaviour in windows. I can't in debian because of user interface complexity. Therefore I have more freedom on my windows machine.
14:22<jitterstick>Isn't that what this is all about, privacy?
14:22<TZubiri>https://superuser.com/questions/1429285/how-to-revert-keyboard-layout-switching-shortcuts-after-setting-them-with-xkbs
14:23<TZubiri>This ties in with the claim that a usable 98% libre system is better than a 100% libre unusable system.
14:23<ullbeking>TZubiri: ^^ yes i agree
14:25<ullbeking>i think that libre software movement misses some vital points, such as the following...
14:25<ullbeking>what point is a libre computer is the social context that you use it in is toxic or hostile, for example?
14:25<ullbeking>s/is/if/
14:25<ullbeking>technology doesn't solve social problems
14:26<rant>this has drifted wildly offtopic
14:27<ullbeking>somewhat yes. my original question has been answered. thank you all.
14:27<jitterstick>I think the internet and social media provide a source of every single thing and a movement of any such may be composed of ten people, or one.
14:27<ullbeking>also, for me personally irc is not a good medium for articulating complex arguments
14:27<TZubiri>I wouldn't know since I can't get /topic to work.
14:28*rant cant tell if there even ARE support issues here right now
14:28<jitterstick>try bitchx
14:28<DusXMT>Well, debian is pretty robust :)
14:28<jitterstick>topic is Debian Stretch
14:28<ullbeking>is there a channel for debian buster/testing?
14:29<TZubiri>[14:30] <TZubiri> Been trying to configure a network with an ethernet cable for the local network and a wifi for internet access. But the ethernet always gets priority for internet access, since it doesn't have any, internet stops working. I tried ip route del commands, and it works for a momento, but they keep getting reset.
14:29<jitterstick>debian-teting and debian-unstable
14:29<TZubiri>14:32] <TZubiri> I'm going through man interfaces, but I feel icky about modifying system files
14:29<ullbeking>cool thx jitterstick
14:29<TZubiri>New update, I am unplugging the ethernet cable whenever I need internet access. YOLO
14:32<ullbeking>tbf, i did ask right at the beginning of my question if there is another channel or forum, mailing list, etc, that is specifically regarding running debian on laptops; i was cognizant even at that time not to go OT
14:33<jitterstick>debian-testing and debian-unstable are empty.
14:33<ullbeking>#debian-next is the place to go to
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14:35<TZubiri>I realized that the reason that I am icky about modifying system files is because of this: https://superuser.com/questions/1429285/how-to-revert-keyboard-layout-switching-shortcuts-after-setting-them-with-xkbs
14:35<TZubiri>It bit me in the past
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14:37<jitterstick>You guys sound high IMHO.
14:38<jitterstick>If you want to be able to get high guilt free, catch a bus to a place that allows it.
14:38<jitterstick>Its easy.
14:39<rant>its also easy to keep this channel for support purposes
14:39<jitterstick>Anyway, since I am now off topic I am going to leave. goodbye.
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