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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-05-15

---Logopened Wed May 15 00:00:40 2019
00:02-!-milkt [~debian@0002812a.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
00:02-!-milkt is "debian" on #debian-games #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian
00:17-!-Kamparano is now known as Guest2593
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00:17-!-Kamparano is "Kamparano" on #debian #C
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00:35-!-sborza is "Sebastian Borza" on #debian #oftc #moocows #kernelnewbies
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00:35-!-KindOne is "..." on #tor-dev #suckless #gentoo #debian-next #debian #qemu #php #ovirt #oftc #moocows #linode #libevent #https-everywhere #g7 #freenode #eff #ceph #bcache
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00:38-!-jm_ is "." on #debian
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01:09-!-Kamparano is "Kamparano" on #debian #C
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02:05-!-meyr is "Michael Eyrich" on #debian
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02:14-!-weedloser is "realname" on #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian
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02:17-!-chele is "chele" on #debian-next #debian
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02:21-!-SkarmoutsosV is "Vangelis Skarmoutsos" on #debian-i18n #debian-next #debian
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03:42-!-Texou is "Jean-Philippe MENGUAL" on #debian #debian-es #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-l10n-fr #debian-a11y
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03:42-!-screenn is "Alexander Golovin" on #debian @#screenn
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04:15-!-pavlushka is "Pavel Sayekat" on #oftc #debian
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05:52-!-nobuffalo is "unknown" on #debian
05:54<nobuffalo>Hi, if FrankenDebian is bad, why have apt preferences? The temptation is right there! :-)
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05:55-!-Texou is "Jean-Philippe MENGUAL" on #debian #debian-es #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-l10n-fr #debian-a11y
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06:01<furrymcgee>its bad because not supported here
06:04<ksk>nobuffalo: because it can be used to do stuff apart from mixing debian relases (like taking one package from one specific, not-just-newer-debian-release repo)
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06:15<nobuffalo>ok, makes sense, thanks
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09:33<drzacek>Hello. I want to use apt to download packages for other machine. I got a list of packages installed on other machine, and calling 'apt download [packages from file]' works, but...it downloads for my arch.
09:35<drzacek>I COULD edit file and add :i386 everywhere (but don't want to), and all the downloaded files would have :i386 in their name too (don't know if this would affect installing those packages on i386 machine later), but it looks dirty
09:35<drzacek>is there some switch/param that I could pass to apt so it would download purely for other arch?
09:37<themill>apt-get has a -a parameter; a solution such as apt-offline is better
09:42<drzacek>themill, I must be blind cause I missed it when I was checking man apt. Sorry, of course it's there
09:43<themill>it's relatively recently added and still relies on the host having the relevant arch enabled in dpkg etc. apt-offline does not.
09:44<drzacek>well I can check apt-offline too
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09:45<themill>it certainly has its wrinkles, but it has already made many of the mistakes for you
09:50<drzacek>themill, trying to understand how it works but I fail. set/get/install? It clearly has different logic as apt/apt-get
09:51<drzacek>the gui helps a bit, but still. Could be that I expect something else than it cal deliver
09:52<themill>you have to run it with a sequence of options on the two machines
09:54<drzacek>I don't want to use apt-offline on second machine at all
09:55<themill>you need to use it on both machines. apt can't work in an information vacuum
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09:59<drzacek>themill, why?
10:00<themill>how is it supposed to know what to do?
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10:00<drzacek>themill, how does he know what to do when it gets DVD as repository?
10:00<themill>there is a Packages file on the DVD with all necessary information about the source
10:01<drzacek>dpkg-scanpackages will provide me the packages file
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10:02<themill>apt-zip tries to do what you are describing. it's pretty terrible.
10:02<drzacek>why?
10:03<themill>because apt doesn't have the necessary info about what packages are available
10:03<themill>At this point, I have detected a recursion loop and stop.
10:04<drzacek>I still don't see which information be missing, if I prepare apt repository on one machine and provide it to other machine on a usb drive (with pointing sources.list to correct path ofcourse)
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11:12<drzacek>ah almost got it
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11:13<drzacek>I kinda made my local repo, got the packages I wanted, made the directory structure, created packages.gz file. Served this over usb drive to my networkless machine, it can update (although it cries about not being able to authentcate), it tries to upgrade, but throws "Hash sum mismatch" on some packages
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12:33<fmneto>Help, my wifi's MAC Address keeps changing. How do I stop that?
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12:38<cacatoes>fmneto: there should be no reason for it to change afaik, you did something special with your network interfaces?
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12:58<fmneto>Not really.
12:58<fmneto>It's a fresh stretch install
12:58<fmneto>I *may* have figured it out, though
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12:58<fmneto>Seems that there was another host with the same name on the network
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13:57<RJD1>Hi there.... it seems that /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup doesn't realise that the predictable interface names thing changed. I always get networking.service fail messages in dmesg on boot and I see that interfaces.d/setup mentions eth0 even though the interface is now called enp0s[n]
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13:59<RJD1>sorry, it's not called enp0s, that was a false memory from another machine, possibly not even plain debian haha
14:00<RJD1>eno1 and wlp2s0
14:02<duclicsic>/etc/network/interfaces.d/setup isn't created by any debian package I can find, it must have been added manually or by some other software
14:03<RJD1>oh right ok.... how would I find out what created it?
14:03<RJD1>I didn't do it manually
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14:04<sarnold>https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=interfaces%5C.d%2Fsetup
14:04<RJD1>interfaces includes with a `source interfaces.d/*`
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14:05<RJD1>ok so vmdebootstrap, is there an apt command I can check to see what rewquired that?
14:05<RJD1>*-w
14:09<RJD1>apt-cache rdepends mentions live-wrapper, I did install from a liveCD... maybe that's the cause?
14:10<sarnold>the 'quick' way is to try to apt-get remove it and see what packages complain
14:10<RJD1>breaking stuff doesn't sound quick to me, I'm sure APT has teh info I need
14:10<RJD1>*the
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14:13<sarnold>RJD1: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fTJMwNrB3r/
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14:24<jhutchins_wk>RJD1: BTW those interface names come from the kernel, not from anything Debian does.
14:24<RJD1>ok I'm following a false lead, vmdebootstrap isn't even installed so something else did it
14:25<jhutchins_wk>RJD1: What's your goal?
14:25<RJD1>jhutchins_wk: yes I understand that, but I'm wondering what made /etc/interfaces `source /etc/interfaces.d/setup` and have that file reference eth0interfaces.d/setup
14:26<RJD1>err, strange typo fail sorry
14:26<RJD1>on boot ifup complains about auto eth0 because there is no eth0
14:27<RJD1>networking.service could not start
14:29<jhutchins_wk>RJD1: So remove the spurious file and configure your actual interface.
14:30<RJD1>I will, but whatever did that might do it again?
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14:30<jhutchins_wk>RJD1: "Why" always costs more than "fixed".
14:30<RJD1>"fixed" != "will maybe explode next boot"
14:31<jhutchins_wk>RJD1: If you do a standard configuration there's not much chance of that.
14:32<jhutchins_wk>Remember, we have somme 1500 people here, most of them running some version of Debian, so the idea that it would randomly fail is pretty unlikely.
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14:33<RJD1>Yes, I haven't changed those files, so 'standard configuration' is broken by something I installed and probably will again
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14:34<RJD1>according to the aforementioned codesearch link, it's a package I don't even have installed
14:34*RJD1 shrugs
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15:09<thsnr>RJD1: dpkg -S /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup will show if any package installed that file
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15:16<jhutchins_wk>RJD1: How did you install?
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21:58<hebime>Hey everyone. I’m trying to install wireguard which is currently available in the unstable sources. The documentation basically instructs you to use apt pinning but I’ve been reading that it’s not a good idea. I’m fine with installing this one package but I do have concerns about other packages being installed from that repository. Is there a way to only install this one package but stop any other
21:58<hebime>s from being installed using unstable? Could I set the priority to -1 for unstable but still use apt-get to explicitly download the wireguard package?
21:59<blast007>are you trying to install a package from sid into stretch?
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22:00<hebime>Yes
22:00<blast007>!frankendebian
22:00<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
22:01<blast007>!don't break debian
22:01<dpkg>hmm... dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
22:03<hebime>Yes lol... I’m trying to figure out how I can so this without breaking things.
22:04<blast007>compile it yourself?
22:05<blast007>!ssb
22:05<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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22:06<blast007>downside is that you then have to keep track of updates and rebuild, and you may have to also upgrade other things that package needs (which may just be a newer debhelper)
22:09<hebime>Would downloading the deb straight from the repo be a bad idea?
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22:26<rant>,v wiregaurd
22:26<judd>No package named 'wiregaurd' was found in amd64.
22:28<blast007>,v wireguard
22:28<judd>Package: wireguard on amd64 -- sid: 0.0.20190406-1
22:29<rant>,depends wireguard
22:29<judd>No package named 'wireguard' was found in stretch/amd64.
22:29<rant>,depends wireguard sid
22:29<judd>Package wireguard in sid/amd64 -- depends: wireguard-dkms (= 0.0.20190406-1) | wireguard-modules (= 0.0.20190406-1), wireguard-tools (>= 0.0.20190406-1).
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22:32<rant>hebime: installing it manually would make it unable to be upgraded easily..
22:32<blast007>the debhelper from stretch-backports might be enough to build wireshark
22:32<blast007>sorry, wireguard
22:32<rant>its advised to use pinning because it has no dependencies outside of even old old stable by the look of it
22:33<rant>building it would also cause an upgrade issue
22:33<rant>in this case pinning is actually a better idea
22:33<rant>,v libc6
22:33<judd>Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; sid: 2.28-10
22:33<rant>,v dkms
22:33<judd>Package: dkms on amd64 -- jessie: 2.2.0.3-2; stretch: 2.3-2; stretch-backports: 2.6.1-4~bpo9+1; buster: 2.6.1-4; sid: 2.6.1-4
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22:35<rant>those are the only two depends outside its own packages and it depends on dkms >= 2.1.0.0 and libc6 >= 2.14
22:35<rant>which means it'd install cleanly on jessie, stretch, buster
22:35<hebime>So if those are already installed then it should be fine?
22:35<hebime>I see.
22:36<rant>as long as you pin the sid repo to prevent OTHER packages on your system from upgrading THEIR dependencies
22:36<hebime>And with a low priority I guess I don’t have to worry about other upgrades coming from Sid?
22:36<rant>thats the idea
22:37<hebime>Ok thank you!
22:37<rant>I may try this myself idk.. cause I was going through process of setting up openvpn and spent hours generating keys and certs for what I would probably only use for one or two clients seldomly
22:37<rant>this seems to drastically simplify things
22:37<hebime>Yea this seems super easy to use
22:38<hebime>Exactly why I wanted to try it myself.
22:38<hebime>Just wasn’t sure how to best install it
22:38<rant>I never heard of it until now
22:39<rant>this looks a lot more like setting up ssh
22:39<hebime>Yup! That’s what the devs were going for.
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22:41<hebime>Is 90 low enough as a priority. I don’t have any others specified but they seem to be 500
22:41<Ionic>is there... no way to look at code in salsa anonymously any longer?
22:42<rant>well iirc backports is usually 100 and requires a -t to even get those
22:42<hebime>Ok cool
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22:43<rant>Ionic: you mean source code for debian packages?
22:43<Ionic>yeah
22:43<rant>https://sources.debian.org/
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22:44<rant>salsa is a gitlab, which is a bit different and does typically require an account for most things
22:44<Ionic>it used to work fine without an account in the past through
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22:45*rant shrugs
22:45<rant>sources.debian.org has access to debian sources, patches, etc
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22:47<Ionic>for browsing, yeah... though only released packages and not also WIP branches or the like
22:47<Ionic>oh well
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22:47<Ionic>I guess I could just clone repos directly via git
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