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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-05-18

---Logopened Sat May 18 00:00:45 2019
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04:50<user_Max>Hi. To change region and IP, what are You using? Tor is good idea? I need it for game, so not web browser only
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05:03<laokz>torsock maybe
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06:02<Talkless>how can I apply /etc/hdparm.conf changes without reboot?
06:03<Talkless>how/when it's applied?
06:07<petn-randall>user_Max: Are you running Kali or Parrot?
06:17<user_Max>petn-randall, but is good idea to check it
06:20<petn-randall>user_Max: That was a question, not a suggestion.
06:23<user_Max>petn-randall, I know, but for other things will be good to check all tools what they have. And still haven't answer for first question.
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06:31<laokz>Talkless see man hdparm.conf
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06:58<laokz>user_Max, had you measured the energy cost?
06:59<user_Max>laokz, ?
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07:00<laokz>usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d/95hdparm-apm resume
07:00<laokz>can reload hdparm.conf
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07:00<user_Max>You talking to Talkless ?
07:01<laokz>ohhh, sorry
07:01<user_Max>np
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07:20<cookins>Hi
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07:22<cookins>I'm checking journalctl and Everytime getting last log about couple days before.. not for last days... It's cuz log size file is limited currently? It's quite fresh install of Deb 9. I got next in last log 'Total output of 7.30 mb was truncated at 97.66 kb.'
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07:33<cookins>Or it's done just my terminal window?
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07:40<TobiX>cookins: Just running journalctl shows you the complete journal since boot in a pager (less by default)
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07:41<cookins>I think I got it.
07:42<TobiX>cookins: You can use something like 'journalctl --since="2 hours ago"' to limit the amount of messages
07:43<cookins>Yeah indeed. I completely not noticed word 'truncated'
07:44<cookins>Got another question, but first - do I need paste whole log here? Or to pastebin?
07:44<cookins>:)
07:44<TobiX>!paste
07:44<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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07:51<cookins>paste.debian.net/plain/1082012
07:51<cookins>I can't connect as ftp user
07:52<cookins>Getting no connection completely in ftp client
07:52<cookins>!paste
07:52<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: http://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: http://file.io/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): http://file.io or http://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
07:52<cookins>Oops
07:54<cookins>Also checking by port
07:54<cookins>https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/pR5wc6M6
07:55<cookins>Seems server listening and working
07:55<cookins>Any ideas?
08:06<TobiX>ugh, ftp :D
08:09<TobiX>No experience with proftpd, I'm afraid. Only ever used vsftpd when I really needed an ftp server...
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08:53<cookins>Will try then
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10:36<celsius>Hi everyone, wanting to change HD (with an 'SSD) I have to clone a partition (unencrypted) in an empty encrypted partition already ready (opened with luksOpen) ....
10:36<celsius>... I tried to do this: "dd if = / dev / mapper / sdb2 of = / dev / sda7_crypt bs = 10M conv = notrunc, noerror, sync" but nothing ....
10:37<celsius>when I mount it gives me this error: "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on / dev / mapper / sda7_crypt, missing codepage or helper program, or other error."
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10:39<celsius>How can I do, can you help me?
10:42<andibmu>Why not copy -a anything to the new partition?
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10:54<ksk>yeahm mount both, then copy over the files.
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11:05<celsius>Sorry but I didn't understand, I don't want to reinstall everything, maybe you use the cp command?
11:06<DusXMT>celsius: You don't need to reinstall if you copy over the files, and it avoids alignment issues and size issues of copying over partitions
11:06<DusXMT>Generally, all that needs to be "reinstalled" is the bootloader, and in your case the crypttab, and re-generating initramfs
11:07<DusXMT>celsius: Plus, I hope you didn't add those spaces to the actual command, as with them it won't have a chance of working
11:09*DusXMT personally likes 'tar copy' when copying the contents of partitions, ie. "tar -cf - -C /mnt/src . | tar -xf - -C /mnt/dest"
11:11<DusXMT>(might as well add --xattrs to both commands, just to be sure)
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11:13<celsius>Absolutely not, I didn't leave empty spaces ..
11:13<celsius>But at the dd command I had given sync ...
11:13<celsius>So you mean to use the tar or cp command right?
11:15<DusXMT>celsius: It's a more practical approach, it even allows you to change the filesystem if you want
11:16<DusXMT>(and it can also be faster, since it doesn't have to copy all of the data on the source partition)
11:16<DusXMT>(just the data that's currently accessible via existing files)
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11:55<celsius>Ok DusXMT,, I try to do as you say then I'll let you know, thank you very much.
11:56<jhutchins>rsync
11:57<jhutchins>DusXMT: Tar is just pointless overhead.
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12:04<jhutchins>It made sense if you were copying remotely over a slow network with (relatively) fast processors, but on system it's just wasted cycles.
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12:16<sqrt{not}>celsius: when DusXMT talked about "add those spaces" he didn't mean empty spaces on the disk, he meant in the command you showed us, there were manyy space characters (blanks) in the middle of the file paths. that is bad
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12:18<RJD1>Hi, I noticed in dmesg that ufw is blocking multicast on my LAN. according to release notes ufw has 'better support for IPv6 and multicast' since version 0.31, `ufw version` shows I'm running 0.35 but I don't see any rules or app profiles related to multicast...
12:21<RJD1>all the solutions I find seem to be focused on igmp and suggest there is no ufw syntax for allowing igmp as opposed to just tcp or udp, and so requires editing the rules files, I'm starting to think ufw is complicating things rather than uncomplicating
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12:59<XTF>Hi. It seems the stock conf of lighttpd in buster is set to disallow encoded tab and newline in query string arguments, which I think might break a lot of uses. Should this be fixed? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=929028
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13:07<RJD1>how would you submit a newline or a tab in a field if that were the intended behaviour?
13:07<XTF>RJD1: POST etc might still work
13:07<RJD1>not sanitising your inputs properly doesn't mean http is broken
13:08<RJD1>yes, as it should
13:08<RJD1>why should POST not work if there is a newline or tab in one of the fields?
13:08<XTF>Eh, I'm not saying it shouldn't work..
13:08<oo_miguel>I have 3 monitors connected to my nvidia card and one on the onboard chip. while xrandr --scale works fine for the nvidia ones it seems to have no effect on the last one, still xrandr -q reports the scaled size. Any suggestions what I might be doing wrong or if this is possible at all?
13:09<RJD1>what you do with the content is up to you, not an enforced part of the http spec
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13:10<RJD1>as the response in your link says, there's nothing wrong with %7f
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13:13<oo_miguel>https://paste.debian.net/1082043/ <- looking at the command line output, the last monitor seems to scale properly but in reality I do not see any changes (it just flashes). Any ideas?
13:17<RJD1>XTF - sorry I just realised I totally misread what you were saying - now I see you said *disallows*, that is indeed very weird
13:18<RJD1>yes, that should probably be fixed haha
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14:53<furrymcgee>how get a link to orig source tarball with apt?
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15:27<DusXMT>jhutchins: Huh, I would've thought rsync would have far more overhead, since it does comparisons as well (even though the destination tree is empty)
15:28<DusXMT>whereas the tar method is very mechanical
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15:38<jhutchins>DusXMT: Given that there's nothing to compare, it isn't significant overhead.
15:38<jhutchins>DusXMT: Doesn't running it through tar compress and uncompress it?
15:39<DusXMT>jhutchins: nope
15:39<DusXMT>jhutchins: Notice the lack of a compression flag
15:40<jhutchins>Rsync does checksum the target, which is overhead, but possibly desirable.
15:40<DusXMT>jhutchins: dies it verify checksums of the files it copied over, or only as a criterium for replacement though?
15:41<DusXMT>*does
15:41<DusXMT>(doing a 'rsync -va --checksum /mnt/src /mnt/dest' would indeed be a wise idea once the copy is finished)
15:58<jhutchins>DusXMT: TBH it's been a while since I was elbow deep in transfer protocols, and I'm not positive, but I think it checksums the written files
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15:59<jhutchins>DusXMT: I did some of the QC work on zmodem, and I think rsync was developed with knowledge of zmodem.
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16:01<DusXMT>jhutchins: I checked the man page, and the only thing about checksums it mentions is about the update criterium. Of course, a transfer protocol like ssh or zmodem, even TCP, will have its own integrity checks, but those are about the data that's being transmitted over a channel
16:01<DusXMT>and not the file that's been written
16:03<jhutchins>Manpages don't always tell you everything, but like I said, it's been a while since I worried aout it much.
16:07<jhutchins>I think the main reason a lot of people use it is because if you specify -a it sets all of the options they want without having to remember a bunch of fiddly options.
16:07<jhutchins>On the other hand, fiddly options are why some people love linux, and it offers those possibilities too.
16:12<DusXMT>jhutchins: https://dpaste.de/08na So, I did a little bit of a mythbusting experiment, creating two folders, putting two text files into one, and then cloning them with rsync, with the --checksum option enabled (in addition to -a), it doesn't seem to read the contents of the files after it writes them
16:13<DusXMT>(to verify the checksum, it would need to read the contents of the files)
16:13<DusXMT>s/of the files/of the newly created files/
16:16<jhutchins>Yeah, I guess we used to do two passes to make sure of integrety.
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16:20<DusXMT>Huh, I just realized that my experiment is incomplete, it seems that the writing is done by a separate thread...
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16:25<DusXMT>https://dpaste.de/2J8r - the writing takes place starting at line 377
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17:42<scar>hey i just installed debian stretch and restored my home directory backup from ubuntu... was using gnome in both. going really well so far but have a few quirks, one being that system will go to sleep after two hours even tho in "power" setting automatic suspend is off. thinking maybe some hidden gconf setting?
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17:50<scar>dconf? gsettings?
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18:16<user_Max>scar, maybe this will help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/109487/access-more-options-via-gnome-power-manager
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18:25<user_Max>scar, https://askubuntu.com/questions/47311/how-do-i-disable-my-system-from-going-to-sleep
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18:32<scar>thanks, well i found something called org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power sleep-inactive-ac-timeout and it was set to 3600 so i try changing that to 0.... now other problem is when i close lid on the laptop then system goes to sleep but i don't want that. so in that same place i found /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power/lid-close-ac-action 'nothing' but it also says "no schema
18:32<scar>available" 'the application that installed this key may have been removed, may have stop using this key or may use relocable shcema'
18:36<jmcnaught>scar: for suspending on lide close edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and set HandleLidSwitch=ignore
18:37<jmcnaught>then restart systemd-logind.service
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18:42<scar>also the 'systemctl mask' command breaks the system, when i close the lid it crashes gnome and i have to reboot
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18:43<jmcnaught>scar: 'systemctl mask <what?>'
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18:44<scar>jmcnaught, sleep.target suspend.target hibernate.target hybrid-sleep.target
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18:45<jmcnaught>scar: so unmask them. I don't have them masked and my system does not sleep when the lid closes.
18:46<scar>yeah i did... just found setting in the tweak tool "don't suspend on lid close" so that works but it doesn't lock the screen either lol so now i needa find that setting
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18:55<scar>ok correct way seems to be re-enable the "suspend on lid close" in the tweak tool, but then edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and set HandleLidSwitch=lock
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22:22<scar>now having issue with QMPDclient which uses Qt 4, where the font interface is way too big and the window doesn't fit on screen. internet says qt4-qtconfig but can't find anything like that
22:24<scar>nevermind i was looking for qtconfig-qt4, let's see if this works
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22:27<scar>well the font size in qtconfig isn't the same one that QMPDclient is using
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