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---Logopened Sun May 26 00:00:56 2019
00:03<Synaptic>hello
00:03<Synaptic>somebody using KDE here?
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00:04<Synaptic>just a question, from power saving software, if you put brightness to ZERO... you can still see something? or go totally pitch black?
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00:12<Freenotify>Greetings! I am Fuchs, Freenode staffer and head of Canonical's Anti-spam Project.
00:12<Freenotify>Freenode has been a frequent target of trolls, spambots, and scammers since its very inception. Despite this, we are the premire FOSS collaboration platform on the Internet. Our team of staffers and even Mark Shuttleworth himself have worked dilligently to ensure Freenode remains a safe, supportive platform where the FOSS commununity can thrive. The costs of network monitoring and the lawsuits mounted by Larry Ellison and Oracle have presented
00:12<Freenotify>challenges to Freenode's very survival.
00:12<Freenotify>Mark Shuttleworth and Freenode staff have now unveiled the Make Freenode Great Again plan! Partnering with Huawei, we are in the process of installing an intelligent firewall that will defend against any DDOS or massive spambot operation using Huawei's predictive computing technology, the same software used to track and control China's Uighur Muslim minority.
00:12<Freenotify>Trolls will be recognized based on these predictive patterns and automatically blocked. This system, however, will be costly, and we need your help paying for licensing and installation.
00:12<Freenotify>If every active member on Freenode were to pledge just $0.50 USD, we could pay for this system and our hosting fees for an entire year. Remember that the defense of FOSS is possible thanks to your efforts.
00:12<Freenotify>bitcoin:bc1qlzhvywk7a793gc7v8r8w6zn7sasvqc7sv0gc27?amount=0.00600000&label=Freenode%20Spring%20Pledge%20Drive&message=Thank%20you%20for%20supporting%20Freenode%21
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00:13<Synaptic>O.o
00:13<mendelmunkis>good timing to partner with Huawei.
00:14<jmcnaught>!ops Freenotify bitcoin scam
00:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: jmcnaught complains about a problem (see above)
00:14<mendelmunkis>since when is oftc freenode?
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00:15<dwfreed>jmcnaught: thanks
00:15<lleo>ggmorning
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00:17<Synaptic>morning
00:17<dwfreed>(and in case you were wondering, I have a trigger that rewrites dpkg's ops message to also hilight me, so I don't have to ask to be added to the list)
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00:48<MrHide>Weird
00:49<MrHide>This isn't working yet is it...
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01:31<maxrazer>I can't get xbindkeys to start by putting it in the .xinitrc file.
01:31<maxrazer>It works if I run xbindkeys from the console though.
01:35<maxrazer>Oh, I have to put it before my window manager.
01:35<maxrazer>Says in the wiki.
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03:10<guardian>hello, to spare me installing, does someone know whether a fresh debian install comes with a ~/.bash_profile ?
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03:44<Nemoder>guardian: ~/.profile is created when a new user is added but I don't think bash_profile has been used for a long time
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04:17<guardian>thanks
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05:44<cesar>Hey, I'm trying to find out how a package is built when I 'apt-get install' it. I've downloaded the source via apt-get source <package>, but I'm still struggling to find how exactly it would be configured and built. Could someone give me any pointers?
05:44<cesar>The package is mdbtools, the source on github is terribly documented, no make clean or make uninstall, so I think this is my best bet to modify it and get it running
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06:08<cookins>hi
06:08<cookins>got problem with ftp server... its working on debian 9, its proftpd... and started and working but port 21 is closed.
06:08<cookins>how to open it?
06:09<Blendie>first of all
06:09<Blendie>do you use iptables
06:09<cookins>no rule there for 21 port
06:09<Blendie>second, what inteface proftpd is working on
06:10<cookins>i using iptables to block some annoying ips
06:10<cookins>how to check on what interface its working>
06:10<cookins>?
06:10<Blendie>usually people set iptables to close all of the ports except the specific ones
06:10<Blendie>netstat -lpn | grep proftpd
06:10<Blendie>this will list you ips the app is working on
06:11<cookins>im not do any changes to ports in iptables, just to block some ips
06:11<cookins>done*
06:11<cookins>tcp6 0 0 :::2222 :::* LISTEN 19141/proftpd: (acc
06:11<cookins>seems its 2222 port?
06:11<Blendie>this says it's working on ipv6 localhost port 2222
06:12<Blendie>seems like you've misconfigured the server
06:12<cookins>yup
06:13<cookins>i totally forgot that i changed main ftp port
06:13<cookins>my bad
06:13<cookins>:D
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06:29<cookins>its working fine indeed
06:29<Blendie>great
06:29<cookins>another question - cant login with only for FTP made logins
06:29<cookins>but only with primary, as root, login
06:30<cookins>but not root itslef
06:30<Blendie>see /etc/ftpusers
06:30<cookins>itself*.. its blocked by default
06:30<cookins>k, let me check
06:34<cookins>well
06:34<cookins>there just list of users to deny
06:34<cookins>no such logins which i trying to log
06:35<Blendie>idk man, i use vsftpd
06:39<cookins>proftpd[32405]: pam_unix(proftpd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=/dev/ftpd32405 ruser=wp_*** rhost=******** user=wp_***
06:42<Blendie>is yout user in the ftp group
06:42<Blendie>?
06:43<cookins>same group as login
06:43<cookins>matter was in shell
06:43<cookins> /bin/false
06:43<cookins>not allowed to login.... with /bin/sh - is all fine
06:43<cookins>thanks
06:49<furrymcgee>in my opinion its a bug to have /bin/false login shell. does debian want to sudo everything?
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06:54<TobiX>furrymcgee: /bin/false is the right shell for service accounts which should never login
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06:57<cookins>https://linoxide.com/debian/install-setup-proftpd-debian-9-stretch/
06:57<cookins>read step 3
06:57<cookins>its not first time when i spotted same instruction with wrong shell
06:59<bremner>well, you have to take blogs by random third parties with a grain of salt
07:03<cookins>yeah... but there a lot of them... some even quite popular
07:04<cookins>and nobody complains in comments
07:04<cookins>quess its worked for somebody?
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07:05<bremner>different people have different needs. I guess it seems reasonable for the ftp user not to allow logins
07:06<bremner>dunno why this user "pradip" is set that way.
07:07<bremner>you could ask the writer
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07:34<drzacek>Hello there
07:35<dvs>zzzzzz
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08:37<drzacek>I would like to start doing software more professionaly
08:39<drzacek>I have some experience, but I always used some user friendly IDEs, like Visual Studio, codeblocks, qtcreator etc, while all linux software I build from source is makefile- based
08:39<drzacek>how do other people develop software? Do they work with pure text editor, or some special IDEs that can create proper makefiles?
08:40<drzacek>also I'm in the process of trying to understand .deb packages
08:41<drzacek>I have few programs that I mainly install on debian systems, but those rely on my self-written installation script that I run on the target system
08:44<drzacek>been reading about it for some time, but still don't quite get it, various sources provide various guides on how to build .deb packages.
08:44<drzacek>Which one is the "right" way? How do professionals do it? Are those debhelper, dh_make etc only beginners-friendly programs to do some basic stuff, or are those also used for everything?
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09:02<grove>Making debian packages is a very little part of software development, in many cases not even a concern, and I guess a lot of developers mostly just use something that gets the job done, whether it's based on debhelper or anything else
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09:03<bremner>there is #packaging for learning about debian packaging.
09:03<bremner>and #debian-mentors for learning about packaging for debian
09:04<grove>When doing larger projects, I guess most developers want control over the processes and write their own makefiles, but I guess (although I never herd of them) gui-tools could exist to help in that process.
09:05<bremner>I think many developers use a layer on top of make like CMake or autotools
09:05<bremner>s/developers/free software developers/
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09:40<drzacek>okay, that's a start
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09:41<drzacek>is autotools that thingy that require ./configure before make?
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10:35<bremner>it's the most common such thingy
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10:59<jhutchins>Most software development is done in a text-based environment as opposed to a GUI.
10:59<jhutchins>The tools used are usually dependent on what the rest of the team is using.
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11:00<jhutchins>Probably the most common shared tool is git. It has become the common core of team software development.
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11:07<furrymcgee>most common after bash
11:10<bremner>I don't think switching between bash and zsh changes the collaboration process much
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11:39<furrymcgee>to be honest I detest any other scripts than /bin/sh
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12:11<bremner>I was thinking of interactive use. I agree that choice of scripting language for build tools matters.
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12:46<celsius>When I insert a USB pendrive it is displayed on the monitor but when I click it is mounted but the content is empty while mounting it as root the content is seen, before this did not happen, how can I solve?
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13:04<lleo>try "ar x debi.deb"
13:05<bremner>apropos of what?
13:06<lleo>of your question of 15:02, eazy as tar :)
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13:14<bremner>maybe you're confusing me with someone else? Also times are not that helpful because timezones.
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13:42<amoe>When using gdm3 as display manager, how can I find the stdout of GUI programs that I launched from the menu?
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13:45<amoe>OK I found the answer (this is applicable https://askbot.fedoraproject.org/en/question/40930/where-does-stdout-from-applications-go-to-when-started-in-gnome-f20/)
13:46<celsius>Can you help me ?
13:47<jmcnaught>amoe: I would going to say 'journalctl -u user-$UID.slice -e'
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13:54<jmcnaught>amoe: oh yeah, also you can specify a binary to journalctl to only see its messages, like "journalctl /usr/bin/firefox-esr" for example
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13:57<amoe>wow, cool
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14:19<sqrt{not}>celsius: can you show us, from a command-line terminal, what you see when it is mounted but empty, and what you see when mounted as root and non-empty ?
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15:59<celsius>sqrt: https://paste.debian.net/1084093/
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16:05<celsius> sqrt{not}: normally when you do "ls media/user/usb-storage" there should be no sudo command, is it?
16:07<sqrt{not}>celsius: in your case the device is mounted with owner root:root. I think your regular user should still be able to see the contents -- I mean you should be able to do your "ls -la /media/celsius/024D-083E" without the sudo ?
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16:09<celsius>sqrt{not}: in fact it is as you say, how can I solve?
16:12<sqrt{not}>celsius: so you can actually access the device contents OK as regular user, because you are the owner of the contents. To see the ls of the device's root directory, we need to understand why it is mounted as root:root.... How is it mounted ? automount ? /etc/fstab ? some graphical helper ?
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16:16<celsius>sqrt{not}: I come from the unencrypted copy (with rsync) of an ssd (128GB) in a larger SSD (500GB) then crypting root and home with luks. Before everything was ok then this came out...
16:19<celsius>sqrt{not}: here is my fstab https://paste.debian.net/1084100
16:19<sqrt{not}>celsius: I thought you said this /media/celsius/ directory was on some USB pendrive ? what has this to do with the LUKS things ?
16:21<somiaj>it might depend on the file system on the usb drive, and if it is say vfat/ntfs, the permissions the automounter is doing by default.
16:21<sqrt{not}>OK, so /etc/fstab does not seem to control the mounting of your pendrive . How is it mounted then ? some automount service ? some graphical environment magic ? do you know what mounts it on /media/ ?
16:22<somiaj>if you are using ext? on the thumbdrive, change permissions normally.
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16:22<celsius>sqrt{not}: It was just to tell you that before changing ssd I didn't have this problem ...
16:25<sqrt{not}>I just noticed also that your /media/ has permission 755 but only the mounted /media/celsius/ has permission 750
16:25<celsius>I have xfce4
16:28<somiaj>do you know what file system is on the pendrive? If it is mounted, look at the output of 'mount' and search for your pendrive in the list.
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17:03<jhutchins>sqrt{not}: Mounts in /media are usually done by the GUI (using fuse?) and the powers that be decided that they should always be read-only for normal users.
17:03<jhutchins>sqrt{not}: You can fix this by putting an entry in fstab with the more sensible permissions.
17:04<jhutchins>sqrt{not}: It's good to use the UUID so the same drive gets the same permissions no matter which port it hits.
17:04<jhutchins>sqrt{not}: I think the <user writable ntfs> has some examples.
17:05<mendelmunkis>do I need an fstab entry to have apt mount a tmpfs?
17:05<jhutchins>mendelmunkis: Apt doesn't mount filesystems.
17:06<mendelmunkis>cant i make it do so with this line in my conf.d?
17:06<mendelmunkis>DPkg::Pre-Invoke{"mount -t tmpfs -o size=512m tmpfs /aptscripts";};
17:06<dpkg>mendelmunkis: I don't know, could you explain it?
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17:08<jhutchins>mendelmunkis: What are you actually trying to do?
17:09<mendelmunkis>Im trying to have /tmp mounted noexec without having any issues with apt scripts.
17:09<mendelmunkis>I figured I can have apt use a secondary tmpfs which it mounts and unmounts when it runs.
17:10<sqrt{not}>jhutchins: On my stretch gnome box, I just tested inserting a 32MB FAT USB stick, and it mounts at /media/lwp/UDISK with permission 755 owner lwp:lwp
17:10<sqrt{not}>by the (nautilus?) automounter, no entries for this in /etc/fstab
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17:11<rant>mendelmunkis: there is never a reason to make an fstab entry for a command you are supplying in its entirety
17:11<mendelmunkis>rant: thank you.
17:11<rant>the point of fstab is to allow auto mounting at boot or to mount something without specifying all the options
17:12<mendelmunkis>I thought it may allow me to mount as user without earlier creating the mountpoint.
17:13<rant>it /would/ allow mounting as user with the appropriate option in fstab but it will NOT create the mountpoint
17:13<rant>options user,noauto will tell it not to auto mount at boot and allow a user to mount it
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17:14<mendelmunkis>Is there a way to mount a tmpfs such that the mountpoint doesn't exist when its not in use?
17:15<mendelmunkis>I dont like cluttering up my directorys with unused mountpoints.
17:16<jhutchins>It's like cluttering up your disk with empty space, or your RAM with cached files.
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17:17<jhutchins>It's like owning a screwdriver even if you're not using it at the moment.
17:17<mendelmunkis>true but ls tends not to print those.
17:18<oftcnoob>I've got a question about GPA (gnu privacy assistant). Since It keeps asking me for my passprase to use my pgp, is there a way to increase the time this password is stored instead of getting asked repeatedly
17:19<mendelmunkis>rant: jhutchins: thanks for the help. I guess I'll make a new mount under media
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17:30<sqrt{not}>jhutchins: this user "lwp" is a mostly "normal user" I think, but has rw permission for this /media mount. Maybe because it is also in groups: plugdev and fuse ?
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17:38<jhutchins>sqrt{not}: That may be another way to fix it.
17:40<sqrt{not}>I just tested on another box -- took away group plugdev from lwp, rebooted, checked not in group plugdev, inserted UDISK, and it mounts 755 lwp:lwp even without the plugdev group
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17:44<jmcnaught>sqrt{not}: with GNOME disks are mounted by udisks, and permissions are handled by polkit
17:46<vimcless>Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Debian 10.0 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2450M CPU @ 2.50GHz (1,91GHz) • Memory: Physical: 11,4 GiB Total (5,3 GiB Free) Swap: 11,6 GiB Total (11,6 GiB Free) • Storage: 192,8 GB / 495,1 GB (302,3 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM C
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18:04-!-Texou is "Jean-Philippe MENGUAL" on #debian #debian-es #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-l10n-fr #debian-a11y
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18:21<sqrt{not}>jmcnaught: I could not stop udisks(?) from mounting my USB stick 755, no matter what I could think of changing. I looked at polkit world and got dizzy
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22:57<nezZario>Has anyone ever created custom debian AMIs for Amazon EC2?
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