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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-05-31

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03:20<ramfs_stretchS>i am trying to find the exceptions that it's possible for the `file` command to raise. i am looking in the git kernel source tree at kernel.org . where could i find this?
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03:21<ramfs_stretchS>`man file` just says: "On filesystem errors (file not found etc), instead of handling the error as regular output as POSIX mandates and keep going, issue an error message" , if i research this is it worth asking if i can update the man page?
03:22<thsnr>ramfs_stretchS: file is not part of the kernel, its project page is here https://www.darwinsys.com/file/
03:26<jm_>is it? debian's copyright file points at https://bugs.astron.com/my_view_page.php
03:28<thsnr>hm, i could be wrong, just took the Homepage value from the control file
03:29<jm_>heh yeah, two different URL-s
03:30<jm_>yeah the darwinsys page mentions the other URL, so both are OK I guess
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03:44<ramfs_stretchS>found my way, how about lstat() then?
03:46<jm_>what is your goal with the file command?
03:47<ramfs_stretchS>@jm_ testing file type. somewhat of a case study. also, file -E is the way to check for errors
03:47<ramfs_stretchS>by exit value
03:49<jm_>ramfs_stretchS: I mean with the changes you want to make - there are many errors that can be returned, surely not every command would want to list all of them?
03:50<ramfs_stretchS>i am writing tests for a program, so it helps to know as many. p.s. found one of the corresponding lines in the source code: https://github.com/file/file/blob/7d8deea23d3fc8d5ffc571e9dbe469c7b1cfa809/src/fsmagic.c#L163
03:50<ramfs_stretchS>that's accesible only with -E afaik
03:50<ramfs_stretchS>something about POSIX compatibility
03:50<ramfs_stretchS>standard*
03:53<jm_>so it seems it already reports errno
03:55<jm_>or rather, error text related to it
03:56<ramfs_stretchS>yes, i was wondering if there's a place to go right away to look for possible errors, since in this source code they're not that easy to find. but it's good enough for me
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07:10<chomwitt>where can i report an issue regarding debian docs ?
07:13<bremner>file a bug on the appropriate package is the best way
07:13<bremner>what docs are you wanting to report a problem with?
07:13<chomwitt>debian reference doc has a missing link
07:14<bremner>can you be more specific?
07:14*bremner feels like Eliza
07:14<chomwitt>https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-virtual-pkg
07:15<chomwitt>in 3.6 the link is missing
07:15<bremner>ok, the package would be "debian-policy"
07:15<chomwitt>ok thanks.
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07:20<chomwitt>reportbug says i have not installed debian-policy, should i install it first?
07:22<bremner>chomwitt: it's not mandatory. reportbug should let you report the problem anyway. You just need to get the version from the web site
07:22<bremner>should be 4.3.0.3
07:22<chomwitt>ok
07:23<bremner>chomwitt: if you install it, you'll have a local copy, but it won't be the latest version in stable
07:23<chomwitt>that version is also in the website
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07:23<bremner>right. So it makes sense to use it in the bug report
07:23<chomwitt>ok . i wont installed . i'll use 4.3.0.3 in the report
07:29*chomwitt writing the issue
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07:39<bremner>chomwitt: I see your bug report went through. You should also get an email acknowledgment
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07:51<chomwitt>let me check my emails
07:52<chomwitt>yes.indeed.
07:53<chomwitt>just wondering. what more common , to use reportbug or sent issues reports directly by email ?
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07:56<bremner>reportbug is more common, I think
07:56<bremner>it's much less error prone
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07:59<chomwitt>ok.i had issues in the past to configure it correct to send the email but lately it ok.
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11:38<amoe>If I wanted to configure a specific USB stick to mount at a specific location under my home directory when it's plugged in, what should I be looking at?
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11:50<jhutchins_wk>amoe: fstab
11:50<jhutchins_wk>amoe: With UUID.
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11:52<amoe>ah great, thanks
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12:25<dongcarl>Hey all, I'm trying to decipher debian packages... Once I've downloaded the ".debian.tar.xz" file and extracted it, how can I find a package's build time dependencies?
12:26<towo`>in debian/control
12:27<dongcarl>Thank you
12:27<dongcarl>And is there anywhere where I can read up on the conventions of debian/rules?
12:27<towo`>debian new maintainer guide
12:27<dongcarl>thanks
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12:40<jhutchins_wk>!nmg
12:40<dpkg>The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/
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12:49<dongcarl>jhutchins_wk: thank you as well!
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14:04<chomwitt>!apt
14:04<dpkg>Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
14:04<chomwitt>sorry
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14:45<scientes>How can I send an e-mail with debian?
14:45<scientes>over SIP?
14:45<scientes>***FAX
14:48<sarnold>lol
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14:49<scientes>its for my bank
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14:49<scientes>I keep telling them that no-one uses fax anymore, and they don't hear me
14:52<somiaj>I would look up linux fax software, and see if any of it is in debian. Might be hard to get someone active who is currently famailr with such software.
14:52<sarnold>oh yeah. when I opened a new account a few years ago they wanted me to fax them my passport or something. they suggested going to an elementary school or library
14:53<scientes>actually, this is written in go
14:53<scientes>https://github.com/gonicus/gofaxip
14:53<sarnold>once upon a time hylafax did these kinds of things, but I think it also involved having an actual modem
14:53<scientes>which means it is pretty recent
14:53<somiaj>google did give me this, https://faxauthority.com/linux-fax/
14:53<scientes>sarnold, yeah all the hylafax docs point to using an actual modem
14:53<scientes>and the whole point of this is to NOT use an actual modem
14:53<somiaj>I think the suggestion of using an online fax service is probably the best bet.
14:53<sarnold>I've heard *really* poor results of using a modem over voip lines though, since the compression on those was meant for voice, not tones..
14:54<scientes>I already have a SIP provider, because its way cheaper and more reliable than cell phone companies
14:54<sarnold>oh! hmm
14:54<scientes>sarnold, that's why they have T.38
14:54<scientes>its especially designed for Fax over SIP
14:56<sarnold>scientes: no chance the bank would accept registered mail or bonded courier or delivery by knight or something? :)
14:56<scientes>that cost $7, and last time they fucked it up and only got 2 out of three documents that were in the envelope
14:56<sarnold>DUDE
14:57<scientes>and basically told be to fuck myself regarding the document they didn't scan properly
14:57<sarnold>no wonder spending a few hours on sending faxes sounds like a good idea
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14:58<scientes>also i waiting in like at the post office for like an hour
14:58<scientes>it was insane
14:58<sarnold>scientes: there's hundreds of "send fax from phone" apps in the google play store. I *really* don't think I could count on one of those to send something important, but maybe you've got different goals..
14:58<scientes>yeah but once they get it it doesn't matter
14:59<sarnold>I'm more worried about the software folks or providers skimming data out ofthe contents
14:59<scientes>it would be nice to find a proper one with GPL support however
14:59<scientes>SIP support, and open source
14:59<sarnold>full ack
14:59<scientes>i use CSipSimple and it is great
15:00<scientes>Android native SIP support blows
15:00<scientes>and since Google doesn't give a shit about open source collaborations it never gets better
15:03<dur>i wonder how much longer the AOSP is going to last
15:04<scientes>its more about when someone launches an effective competition
15:04<scientes>android app support is even quite feasable
15:05<scientes>and with that China won't care, as Google apps are banned there
15:05<scientes>so China is the place such an effect will first succeed
15:06<sarnold>scientes: asterisk claims to have some t.38 support :) https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/T.38+Fax+Gateway (apologies if this in the 'obvious' range)
15:06<scientes>I don't need asterisk, I already have a sip provider
15:06<dur>considering such a competetor would have to start their effort from scratch and convince hardware OEMs to get onboard, the chances of that seem slim
15:07<scientes>Ubuntu tried and failed
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15:07<scientes>but they didn't have Android compatbility
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15:07<dur>yeah that project was a joke from the start
15:07<scientes>Sailfish is the only one that really tried
15:07<scientes>dur, it did have a great feature however, and Samsung is now shipping that very same feature
15:08<dur>iirc, it was a $600 device at a time when people were used to paying 200 or less for a subsidized phone
15:08<scientes>The PinePhone will launch, but will probably be a failure
15:08<scientes>the real problem is that phone are not very hackable, as they dont' have keyboards
15:08<scientes>its actually a very simple thing
15:09<scientes>and the apps that really have to be there, like OSMAnd, did happen
15:09<scientes>OSMAnd is great
15:09<dur>haven't heard of that
15:09<scientes>fully offline maps
15:10<scientes>its great for hiking, as you still have GPS
15:10<dur>oh damn, will definitely need to check that out
15:10<scientes>Google actually felt the heat, and added a very shitty offline map feature
15:11<scientes>the maps are of course best in the US, because the official USGS maps are free
15:11<scientes>although now that Google is a branch of the Gov that is changing
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17:36<jhutchins>For some reason, chrome on XFCE has no buttons to minimize or resize the window.
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17:46<somiaj>jhutchins: do other windows?
17:46<somiaj>and is this actually google-chrome or chromium?
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21:49<rant>jhutchins: right click near the top and select the use system whatever option
21:49<rant>use system title bar and boarder
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