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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-06-01

---Logopened Sat Jun 01 00:00:05 2019
00:16-!-pluvano [~pluvano@pluvano.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
00:16-!-pluvano is "pluvano" on #suckless #debian-next #debian #C
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00:35-!-milkt is "debian" on #debian-games #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian
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00:36-!-SkarmoutsosV is "Vangelis Skarmoutsos" on #debian-i18n #debian-next #debian
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00:36-!-ttelford is "Troy Telford" on #debian-voip #debian-next #debian #debian-ipv6
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01:08-!-duckydanny is "Dan" on #tor-project #moocows #linode #debian
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01:39-!-lleo is "leo" on #c++ #debian @#debian-next! #debian-offtopic #linux
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01:47-!-Talkless is "Vincas" on #debian-next #debian
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02:04-!-llimeht is "Stuart Prescott" on #debian-next #debian
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03:25-!-dutchfish is "Wil van Lierop" on #debian-devel-changes #debian
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03:28-!-dutchfish is "Wil van Lierop" on #debian-devel-changes #debian
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03:33-!-gusnan is "Andreas Rönnquist" on #debian-next #debian-devel-changes #debian-i18n #debian-games #debian #debian-swedish #debian-printing #msys2 #debian-nordic #debian-perl #debian-gnupg #debian.se
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05:01-!-goncalor is "goncalor" on #debian-offtopic #debian
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05:52-!-Haudegen is "AP,,," on #debian-kde #security #debian-desktop #debian-next #debian #debian.or.at
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06:18-!-amacater is "Andrew M.A. Cater" on #debian-wsl #debian-hams #debian
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13:11-!-mode/#debian [+o jelly] by ChanServ
13:11-!-mode/#debian [-o jelly] by ChanServ
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13:58-!-p2hc is "Paulo Henrique" on #debian-offtopic #debian
14:02<sqrt{not}>FWIW: re faxing: my all-in-one printer/copier/scanner/fax indeed has fax send receive ability, if I ever connect a RJ11 phone line to it (never so far)
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16:09<jhutchins>rant: Tried that, didn't do it.
16:09<jhutchins>rant: Not true on the desktop.
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16:10<rant>jhutchins: works for me
16:10<rant>unlike that stupid crap I just did typing /wc instead of /lastlog -clear :P
16:17<sim590>How can I start a second X session? On Arch, I just go into TTY2 and start X, then I start my app with DISPLAY=:1 someapp, but I can't seem to do it on debian. It complains about DISPLAY :0 being already started even though I create (and export) the env variable beforehand.
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16:31<rant>sim590: are you referring to the DISPLAY var?
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17:13<rant>I take it your question is retracted.. heh.. going to tty1 and typing startx worked for me..
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17:50<sim590>rant: Yes. I'm seapking about this
17:51<sim590>My question is still unanswered. I want to start another X session with :1 X identifier.
17:53<rant>all I had to do was type startx and it did it
17:53<rant>you can also configure most any DM to start up with multiple seats
17:53<rant>the DISPLAY var isnt READ by X its SET by X
17:53<rant>its for clients, not the server
17:55<somiaj>startx -- :1 or somethig like that use to work.
17:56<sim590>rant: If I already have a running instance, it doesn't want to start the second one..
17:56<sim590>I don,t use any DM.
17:56<sim590>I use xinit.
17:57<rant>I'm sorry to hear that :P
17:57<somiaj>xinit also accepts the :1 part
17:57<somiaj>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/85383/how-to-start-a-second-x-session
17:57<rant>I always used xinit myself personally.. but these days I just use lightdm
17:57<sim590>I get error: "Owner of /tmp/.X11-unix should be root"
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17:58<sim590>somiaj: If I add the "--", it works.
17:59<sim590>Don't know why it's really important. Normally, usage of "--" should be abstract, but it seems like this program doesn't interpret it in the same way.
18:00<somiaj>Besides for the manpage and docs saying it is needed?
18:01<somiaj>the -- is a flag that changes how a program interuprits inputs
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18:04<sim590>somiaj: I know what it means, but I thought that it was interpreted in an abstract way, i.e. you could use it to force interpretion of -flags, but if you don't, it's also fine if you don't use flags. What I mean is that "startx -- :1" should be equivalent to "startx :1", while "startx -f :1" should not be the same as "startx -- -f :1". That is if ":1" is not interpreted as a flag itself.
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18:07<sim590>In any case, I was looking to run "X" itself and not "startx" I can easily do that on arch, but I can't do that on debian.
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18:11<somiaj>then use xinit, it still needs the --
18:18<somiaj>I guess if you run xorg directly (man xorg) it doesn't need the --, my understanding is then the -- is there to ensure that option get passed to the actualy binary being run
18:22<sim590>somiaj: Yep, except that ":1" shouldn't be an option.. :/
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18:37<sim590>I mean it shouldn't be a flag.
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20:29<subu>My monitor supports 1920x1080 resolution but I can't get it to work.
20:30<subu>I tried this:
20:30<subu>xrandr --newmode "1920x1080" 173.00 1920 2048 2248 2576 1080 1083 1088 1120 -hsync +vsync
20:30<subu>xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
20:31<subu>I tried to ignore that, added the mode and tried to set it. It gave me this:
20:31<subu>xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
20:31<subu>xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed
20:31<subu>Any ideas?
20:32<subu>Debian GNU/Linux 9.9 (stretch)
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20:37<bremner>I haven't had to define a mode for at least a decade
20:37<bremner>is 1920x1080 listed in xrandr -q ?
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20:40<subu>Yeah it's listed
20:41<bremner>why do you need --newmode?
20:41<subu>After I added it. Just can't set it
20:41<bremner>oic. But the monitor didn't report it before you defined it.
20:41<subu>After installing debian the max resolution was 1024x768
20:41<bremner>seems more likely related to graphics drivers
20:44<subu>How would I go about checking if that's the case? lspci -k and check if it's correct or something?
20:44<bremner>maybe look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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20:46<subu>What am I looking for
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20:50<bremner>I guess start by looking at "DDC gathered Modelines"
20:50<bremner>and maybe as you say check that the right driver is being loaded
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20:56<subu>It's kind of a long file. I tried to grep "DDC gathered Modlines" but nothing came up.
20:56<bremner>Modelines
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20:59<subu>Yeah nothing comes up
21:03<bremner>I have to go, but maybe paste your log file to paste.debian.net and someone will see what's up
21:06<subu>Thanks anyway
21:12<somiaj>subu: I would also look in xorg.log which graphics driver you are using. If falling back to vesa, that has very limited capibilities.
21:12<somiaj>subu: do you know what graphics card you have?
21:12<subu>1080ti
21:12<somiaj>so make sure nouveau drivers are loading, or would you prefer the non-free drivers for that card?
21:13<somiaj>Also I wonder if you need a kernel from backports (that is a newer card after all)
21:14<subu>I don't know where to find the drivers in that file but if I do lspci -k | grep -A 2 "WGA", I get:
21:14<subu>02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 1b06 (rev a1)
21:14<subu> Subsystem: eVga.com. Corp. Device 6393
21:14<subu> Kernel modules: nouveau
21:14<somiaj>Oh looks like the non-free driver in stretch supports that card. I'm unsure about nouveau support.
21:14<somiaj>subu: you could paste your log at paste.debian.net, also check for what modes the nouveau driver is detecting.
21:15<subu>How do I check what modes the nouveau driver is detecting?
21:15<somiaj>this is all in the xorg log you are looking at
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21:18<somiaj>hmm, not finding any info about how well the 4.9 nouveau driver supports the 1080ti card. The kernel from stretch-backports may give you better support for that card. Unsure here though. You may want to share your xorg log at paste.debian.net if you are having trouble understanding its output
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21:23<subu>somiaj: do you want the link for the paste?
21:23<subu>https://paste.debian.net/hidden/da7937d6/
21:23<subu>I have no idea what I'm looking at tbh
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21:28<somiaj>What I thought, if you read through it it lists all the cards supported by nouveau (though with codes) and yours isn't listed, it then falls back to vesa. That is why you have alimited option.
21:29<somiaj>I think if you upgraded the the 4.19 kernel from stretch-backports you could get support for that newer card. Or you could install the non-free nvidia driver. Your choice if you want the open nouveau driver or the non-free blob from nvidia.
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21:30<subu>Thanks for the help. I'll try the free driver first.
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21:32<somiaj>then upgrade the the 4.19 kernel from stretch-backports. Do you need instructions on this?
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21:36<subu>That would be helpful
21:37<somiaj>!stretch-backports
21:37<dpkg>Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>.
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21:37<somiaj>follow instructions at that link, then noce you have your sources.list setup, apt update, then apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64
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21:41<subu>Is tehre a way to see which kernel I'm using? To see if it was successful
21:41<subu>Well I can just DDG that
21:41<somiaj>uname -a (you'll have to reboot to get into the new kernel)
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21:50<subu>It worked, thank you.
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