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---Logopened Mon Jun 03 00:00:08 2019
00:00<jmcnaught>Unkn-Error: jessie-backports was archived. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianJessie#FAQ
00:03<Unkn-Error>okay. so if jessie-backbports was archived then I need to add this line in the config file
00:03<Unkn-Error>deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main
00:04<Unkn-Error>but this line is available for all arhitectures like armhf and X64 or I need to add a line like this:
00:04<Unkn-Error>deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main armhf
00:06<jmcnaught>no
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00:13<Unkn-Error>what is best / better to use in debian, su or sudo -i or sudo su ?
00:16<jmcnaught>If you use su, use 'su -' or 'su -l' if that's easier to remember. For sudo I use 'sudo -i'.
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00:28<mendelmunkis>I have a package which shows in apt list --upgradable but not apt dist-upgrade i can manually upgrade it but I'm not sure why that would happen.
00:31<Unkn-Error>thank you jmcnaught
00:31<themill>Unkn-Error: btw you're a year past the time when you shouldn't be using jessie-backports at all.
00:34<Unkn-Error>mendelmunkis, maybe because of dependencys? For example - on update (and NOT upGrades) if using apt for installing a package then reverting the virtual machine snapshot back from the backup and using the aptitude install same_package the update number of packages was different, or using apt-get update then when I used aptitude upgrade did more updates
00:34<Unkn-Error>themill, I know but sadly that device will be "frozen" on jessie arm like forever
00:36<Unkn-Error>where do I need to add this line " Acquire::Check-Valid-Until false; " ? in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
00:36<mendelmunkis>Unkn-Error: just caught it it was an unexpected pin dependency.
00:36<themill>Unkn-Error: is that a complicated way of saying you want to run vulnerable software forever?
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00:37<Unkn-Error>themill, it's not like you imagine it its :)
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00:37<mendelmunkis>Unkn-Error in etc/apt/apt.conf.d/xxyourname.
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00:38<mendelmunkis>although you can mark a single repo as trusted which is probably safer.
00:38<Unkn-Error>mendelmunkis, where xx is some random number like 22 ?
00:38<mendelmunkis>yes.
00:38<Unkn-Error>ok thx
00:38<mendelmunkis>although not actually random. it determines execution order.
00:39<Unkn-Error>themill for now, that toy it's behind a IDS. the next step will be to be disconnected from the internet and for that I need to learn how to make a mirror
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01:00<Unkn-Error>hmm, the machine time and date is correct but...
01:00<Unkn-Error>E: Release file for http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie-backports/InRelease is expired (invalid since 103d 8h 32min 35s). Updates for this repository will not be applied.
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01:00<Unkn-Error>oh, is that config
01:01<Unkn-Error>ok forgot about it
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01:02<jm_>no, it's a valid error, it really is expired
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01:21<Unkn-Error>from where dose apt know that it should install arm or x64 or mips packages?
01:22<Unkn-Error>what makes possible for apt to know that he need to install packages for that particular cpu arhitecture?
01:22<mendelmunkis>it automatically uses your arch unless you specify eg: apt install apt:i386
01:22<mendelmunkis>although multiarch support requires some configuration.
01:23<Unkn-Error>so apt is smarter than me
01:25<mendelmunkis>when you install your system dpkg figures out your arch (i world guess it does something along the lines of uname -m)
01:25<mendelmunkis>s/world/would/
01:25<jm_>dpkg --print-architecture
01:25<dpkg>alpha
01:26<jm_>and --print-foreign-architectures
01:26<Unkn-Error>mine says arhmf
01:27<Unkn-Error>I did apt-get update && apt-get --fix-missing, and now the chache folder from apt is having some packages, I can generate a list, copy them to a usb stick and use them to install / upgrade a second device in full offline mode
01:27<Unkn-Error>but, I can also copy the packages from the device on my laptop and make a local LAN ftp server
01:28<Unkn-Error>my problem is that I do not know how to configure apt to fetch all those packages only from my local ftp server
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01:28<jm_>adding only your repository to its sources.list is not a valid option?
01:29<Unkn-Error>I don't know how to express myself about the my thoughts
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01:30<jm_>I missed the start of this conversation, so maybe you described it in good details earlier :)
01:31<Unkn-Error>no, I didn't
01:31<Unkn-Error>there are 2 problems
01:32<Unkn-Error>1. the folder structure and the adress structure which should be added
01:32<Unkn-Error>2. how will apt know about the dependencys
01:32<jm_>have you looked at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup ?
01:32<mendelmunkis>2. the packages carry the dependency information
01:33<jm_>dependencies are described in binary-foo file apt downloads, have a look in /var/lib/apt/lists/*_binary-*_Packages
01:33<Unkn-Error>jm_, yes I have scrolled on that page and digested some of the info - from there where my thoghts born
01:34<jm_>Unkn-Error: that file is composed by scanning the packages, which describe dependencies, dpkg-scanpackages can do that (so yeah, the actual package dependencies are stored in control files in debian packages)
01:36<Unkn-Error>so this means that the .deb if I use 7z or winrar on windows I can unarchive and somwhere there will be stuff related about dependency
01:37<Unkn-Error>then, using dpkg-scanpackages I can generate a catalog about those dependencys for apt to read
01:37<mendelmunkis>dpkg-scanpackages assumes complete .deb files but yes.
01:38<mendelmunkis>specifically it in archive root/control.tar.xz/control
01:39<Unkn-Error>then, when I move the .debs and the generated catalog on the local ftp server, there should be a folder structure like in the official repro/mirrors or all packages can go to a custom folder like /ftp/mydebs/armtoy01
01:39<jm_>yeah .deb can be unpacked using ar and then tar + relevant uncompress tool
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01:41<Unkn-Error>the catalog should be in the "/" folder of the ftp server or in some special named folder? I mean ftp://192.168.100.5/ftp/mydebs/armtoy01/SPECIAL_NAMED_FOLDER/generated_by_dpkg-scanpackages.somthing
01:42<Unkn-Error>on the website, on the doc it say: trivial archive
01:42<Unkn-Error>"deb http://example.org/debian ./"
01:42<Unkn-Error> No
01:42<Unkn-Error>Yes
01:42<Unkn-Error>deprecated
01:43<Unkn-Error>oh sorry for long paste, I did't saw that
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01:45<mendelmunkis>sorry youve hit the limits of my repository knowledge.
01:45<Unkn-Error>it's fine. it's not you
01:45<Unkn-Error>it's me
01:46<mendelmunkis>do you specifically want to use a ftp server?
01:47<Unkn-Error>in other words, the oficial debian repros are very nice orderer - the folders - with a lot of categoris like iso images, main, contrib, non-free and so on
01:47<Unkn-Error>somehow my question was if I need to folow the same folder tree on my local ftp repro
01:48<Unkn-Error>yes, because it is very easy to use
01:48<jm_>you probably don't need sections for your private repository
01:48<Unkn-Error>no man-in-the-middle attacks here
01:51<Unkn-Error>is there a way to find out how big is the full debian armhd mirror? If I'll copy all the packages I'll need how mutch free space?
01:51<Unkn-Error>^^corected *armhf
01:55<jm_>https://www.debian.org/mirror/size
01:56<Unkn-Error>jm_, Thank You !
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02:23<Unkn-Error>what do you guys like more? byobu or tmux or screen ?
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02:25<user01>ive had more experience with tmux
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02:28<Unkn-Error>I have just discovered byobu & tmux - but I like the byobu how is showing the cpu and mem in the corner. I was using screen in the past
02:28<Unkn-Error>Ș)
02:28<Unkn-Error>:)
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05:40<EmleyMoor>If I want to control another Debian machine I can see, using the keyboard and mouse on this machine, is there a better alternative to x2vnc?
05:45<ksk>there are alternatives. Used xtightvnc or so in the past.
05:48<EmleyMoor>ksk: That views the remote desktop on this machine's monitor. Unnecessary when I can see the monitor on the other machine
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05:51<ksk>ah okay, misunderstood your question.
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05:54<thsnr>there's something called synergy, but i am unfamiliar with their business model
05:54<jm_>EmleyMoor: how about, and yeah, thsnr found it before me
05:54<EmleyMoor>I did hear of x2x but couldn't get it to work
05:56<thsnr>synergy has paid licenses, but there seems to be free packages in Debian
05:57<EmleyMoor>I'll look into it though it does sound like it's "without asny significant plus points"
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06:11<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: I'd have another look at x2x, it works very well in my experience.
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06:31<tarzeau>thsnr: there's a free fork of synergy which is in debian
06:31<tarzeau>ah sorry that *is* the free version
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06:32<tarzeau>no i was meaning "barrier"
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11:40<FLD>EmleyMoor: have you considered xpra?
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12:08<EmleyMoor>FLD> Never even heard of it.
12:09<EmleyMoor>I mentioned x2x earlier, would appreciate some guidance in how to get it going
12:09<EmleyMoor>duclicsic about?
12:10<EmleyMoor>Not sure xpra is what I seek
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12:27<user01>is it better to install from a ubuntu ppa or a deb file something that isnt in deb repo . . . or is there a deb repo for oracle java 8? i was looking here: https://pkgs.org/download/oracle-java8-installer or there is a ubuntu ppa
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12:32<EmleyMoor>user01: Best to avoid installing any packages meant for Ubuntu
12:33<user01>EmleyMoor, is there a debian repo for oracle java?
12:33<user01>EmleyMoor, or you think that link i provided to the deb file would be best?
12:33<user01>then gdebi
12:33<EmleyMoor>https://blog.programster.org/debian-8-install-java - this goes back to jessie...
12:34<EmleyMoor>Can't say I'd necessarily trust it but it's probably the best you'll get
12:36<supaman>!java
12:36<dpkg>Java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged; for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>, <java ipv6>, <java-package>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net.
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12:37<user01>EmleyMoor, yeah that says to install from ubuntu repo :)
12:39<user01>EmleyMoor, i think the one i found is better since it is is a debian repo model
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13:30<somiaj>,v java-package
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13:30<judd>Package: java-package on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 0.56; buster/contrib: 0.62; sid/contrib: 0.62; stretch/contrib: 0.62
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13:31<somiaj>Hmm, looks like that was removed, but java-package use to be a tool that would take oracle's java binary (.bin) package, and turn it into a debian package you can install on your system.
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13:32<somiaj>EmleyMoor: I've persoanlly had the best luck just using the .bin package from oracle and then putting it in /usr/local/java or /opt/, and then putting links to the binaries in /usr/local/bin (though maybe be careful here if you have both the oracle java and openjdk)
13:33<somiaj>oh it is still in buster, I just missread the bot. java-package might be what you want.
13:33<somiaj>(though is in stretch too)
13:34<somiaj>looks like java-package fails to work with java 10, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=906818
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16:30<grummund>Hi, anyone have an idea what can cause the error: No space left on device
16:31<grummund>other than actually no space, inodes, or deleted but open files?
16:31<cc>which filesystem?
16:32<grummund>it is ext4 on LVM on LUKS on RAID1.
16:33<grummund>it happens now and then.
16:33<cc>pastebin outputs of 'mount', 'df -h' and then the complete log including full command that you execute and the error that contains that message
16:33<grummund>cc: it's not just one command, happens spuriously.
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16:35<cc>do you have something exotic on your system like thousands/millions of files ?
16:35<sarnold>grummund: that can also happen when eg you're out of inotify watches
16:35*grummund read it can be caused by hash collisions but that, aiui, is typically when you have 50k+ files in a dir.
16:35<sarnold>grummund: also, some filesystems have fixed numbers of inodes available, check df -i output
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16:37<grummund>sarnold: thanks
16:37<ach>i had the same error but forgotten how i fixed it but shot the system down to get it away
16:37<grummund>df -i shows 1% usage.
16:37<ach>!well
16:37<dpkg>That's a deep subject, ach.
16:37*grummund reads up on inotify watches
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18:02<EmleyMoor>I've got x2x working in one way, but am looking to try the other, more direct way, which needs port 6000 open (both ends?)
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18:05<EmleyMoor>I have it open now on the remote end, therefore know how to do it on the local. Currently, I get "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key" before x2x says it can't connect to the remote display. What's my next step? Open 6000 this end or something else?
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18:12<sarnold>EmleyMoor: take a look at the xauth manpage for information on how to extract that from your server and how to give it to your clients
18:14<EmleyMoor>sarnold: I'll attend to that tomorrow I think
18:15<sarnold>EmleyMoor: unless the performance improvement is really impressive and you don't care about the security of the end result, I'd still recommend sticking to ssh -X
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