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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-06-04

---Logopened Tue Jun 04 00:00:09 2019
00:02-!-yrjan [~yrjan@2a01:7e01::f03c:91ff:fee5:c926] has quit [Server closed connection]
00:02-!-yrjan is "yrjan" on #kernelnewbies
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00:05-!-dboehmer___ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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00:07-!-demo is "realname" on #debian
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00:11-!-cjactard is "Camille Jactard" on #debian
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00:12-!-lleo is "leo" on #c++ #debian #debian-offtopic #linux #debian-next
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00:12-!-b4udv8 is "Don Harrison" on #debian
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00:32-!-lleo is "leo" on #c++ #debian #debian-offtopic #linux #debian-next
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00:33-!-jm_ is "." on #debian
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00:33-!-vicamo is "You-Sheng Yang" on #debian-kde #debian-dkms #debian-desktop #debian-bluetooth #debian-apt #debian
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00:37-!-vicamo is "You-Sheng Yang" on #debian-kde #debian-dkms #debian-desktop #debian-bluetooth #debian-apt #debian
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00:37-!-babilen is "Wolodja Wentland" on #debian-xen #vcs-home #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian
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00:37-!-vicamo is "You-Sheng Yang" on #debian-kde #debian-dkms #debian-desktop #debian-bluetooth #debian-apt #debian
00:37-!-vicamo [~vicamo@61-220-137-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
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00:38-!-vicamo is "You-Sheng Yang" on #debian-kde #debian-dkms #debian-desktop #debian-bluetooth #debian-apt #debian
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00:38-!-jamuraa is "Marie Janssen" on #debian
00:39-!-vicamo is "You-Sheng Yang" on #debian-kde #debian-dkms #debian-desktop #debian-bluetooth #debian-apt #debian
00:39-!-vicamo [~vicamo@61-220-137-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net] has joined #debian
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00:39-!-vicamo is "You-Sheng Yang" on #debian-kde #debian-dkms #debian-desktop #debian-bluetooth #debian-apt #debian
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00:40-!-vicamo is "You-Sheng Yang" on #debian-kde #debian-dkms #debian-desktop #debian-bluetooth #debian-apt #debian
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00:41-!-vicamo is "You-Sheng Yang" on #debian-kde #debian-dkms #debian-desktop #debian-bluetooth #debian-apt #debian
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00:42-!-vicamo is "You-Sheng Yang" on #debian-kde #debian-dkms #debian-desktop #debian-bluetooth #debian-apt #debian
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00:43-!-vicamo is "You-Sheng Yang" on #debian-kde #debian-dkms #debian-desktop #debian-bluetooth #debian-apt #debian
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00:45-!-plantigrade is "plantigrade" on #bitlbee
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00:48-!-mattcen is "Matthew Cengia" on #debian-au #debian
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00:54-!-pluvano is "pluvano" on #debian #suckless #debian-next #C
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00:56-!-valdyn is "Florian Attenberger" on #debian
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01:04-!-mpl0de is "Nikolay" on #debian
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01:05-!-furrymcgee is "Unknown" on #debian-perl #debian-android-tools #qemu #debian-policy #debian-apt #suckless #packaging #wmii #elephant-shed #debian-dpkg #debian-ctte #nbd #ceph #debian-games #debian #debian-voip
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01:48-!-jhr1 is "Jan Hauke Rahm" on #debian
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02:11-!-DusXMT is "Thus, echs am tea." on #debian
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02:11-!-qwer is "alfa omega" on #debian
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02:50-!-berto is "http://people.igalia.com/berto/" on #debian #qemu
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02:53-!-qwer is "alfa omega" on #debian
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02:54-!-rjsalts is "Richard James Salts" on #packaging #otr-dev #debian-offtopic #debian-kde #debian-games #debian-au #debian
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02:59-!-jesopo is "Jess" on #bitbot #help #rust-offtopic #debian
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03:05-!-chele is "chele" on #debian-next #debian
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03:38-!-rozenglass is "unknown" on #debian
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03:57-!-Infra_3600 is "Roman Danilov" on #debian-kde #debian
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04:01-!-Edhil is "One of the last" on #debian
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04:53-!-andibmu is "Andreas B. Mundt" on #debian-meeting #debian #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-edu #debian-lan
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04:56-!-cjactard is "Camille Jactard" on #debian
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04:57-!-war is "war_" on #debian #debian-next
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05:23<platypo>Debian 10 will be released this month, won't it?
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05:25<supaman>!release
05:25<dpkg>Debian 9 "Stretch" was released on 2017-06-17. It is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian>, <jessie->stretch> to upgrade from Debian 8 "Jessie" See http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. For updates from the Debian Release Team, see http://release.debian.org/
05:29<platypo>hm
05:32<platypo>nothing there yet. Couldn't find anything about HW-requirements either
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05:35<grove>Hmm, that page says the number of RC-bugs in buster needs to reach zero, but looking at the graph on https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ it hasn't dropped much for the past couple of months - but also looking at that graph it doesn't look like the count was 0 when stretch was released
05:35<supaman>platypo: the general response as to "when will $release be released" is "when the release team decides to" .. so if you want to follow up on the process follow the announcements from the release team on debian-devel mailing list
05:38<platypo>ok
05:40<DusXMT>platypo: Apparently, the biggest problem for deciding on a release date has been figuring out how to handle security updates for Go packages, since libraries are usually linked statically there, which means that on a security update of a library, all programs that link it have to be rebuilt
05:41<DusXMT>https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2019/06/msg00000.html
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05:49<DusXMT>https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html - but yeah, plenty of issues that still need to be resolved. Personally, I'm curious about the Wayland decision and the firefox obfuscated .js files
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05:53<DusXMT>Since on one hand, making Wayland the default on debian could be a major push for the platform, since now many people would expect of it to be robust and it would likely drive development and adoption, yet at the same time, there are issues with compatibility that could significantly hamper the usability of the default desktop install for some people
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07:24<platypo>DusXMT i see. I am curious for apparmor. I am not sure about wayland i have only heard about it yet
07:26<platypo>I suppose it will be a good version. Allthough i still wonder if it's worth the wait or if i should switch to another distro. But most of all i wonder if i should buy a new pc first scince this one is about 15 yrs old
07:28<Posterdati>hi
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07:30<platypo>hi
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07:54<DusXMT>platypo: well, I guess it all depends on your needs. If you value robustness, stability, and the ability to simply set up your machine and have it working and ready to be used without major interruptions without for a good 2 years before the next major update comes, Debian is more than a good candidate :)
07:55<DusXMT>s/interruptions without for/interruptions for/
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08:24<platypo>DusXMT yes that's why i anticipate it.
08:24<platypo>anyhow, gotta go cu
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08:55<Wrieh>Hi all, I just installed a fresh debian installation on a VM (Using virtualbox) Everytime I boot up the machine I get the error "Oh no something has gone wrong" For the GUI, When pressing CTRL + ALT + F1 I can log into the terminal. Any idea how to fix this?
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09:03<Wrieh>Might the problem be that I am using Debian 8? And Debian 8 not supporting my GPU (AMD RX580?)
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09:28<grove>Wrieh: You probably need to be more specific on where you get that "Oh no something has gone wrong". Any reason why you use Debian 8, it only has LTS support now
09:28<dvs>Wrieh, Debian 8 is definitely too old for an RX580
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09:31<alex_>hello guys, i have a question regarding my mx linux , can someone tell me how do i need to proceed to install bitwarden on this OS ?
09:32<bremner>!mx
09:32<dpkg>hmm... mx is the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an <MTA> where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico. Si está buscando el canal de soporte para debian relativo a México, diríjase a #debian-mx
09:32<bremner>not that mx ;)
09:32<bremner>!mx linux
09:32<dpkg>Current MX Linux is based on Debian stretch. However, MX Linux is not supported in #debian. Seek help at https://mxlinux.org/.
09:33<bremner>alex_: ^ see the link for help
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09:33<alex_>ok thx :D
09:35<Wrieh>Grove: I used Debian_8 because I had an installation image already downloaded on my PC. I just get the error message right after the GUI starts
09:36<Wrieh>I am installing Debian 9 now in another VM, will see if that works.
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09:39<Wrieh>I tried installing the guest-additions and they seem to work, atleast I get the error in HD now
09:40<blast007>unless you're passing the video card through to the VM, the guest OS would not see a radeon card. it would get a virtualized graphics card.
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10:06<Wrieh>GUI in debian 9 seems to work :) Thx for the help
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10:24<Wrieh>Is default-libmysqlclient-dev the same package as the older libmysqlclient-dev?
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10:47<GyrosGeier>Wrieh, default-* are usually metapackages
10:48<GyrosGeier>so the package itself should be empty, but it depends on the package that provides the version that the maintainers currently designate as default
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11:12<bremner>!ops boring troll is boring
11:12<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: bremner complains about a problem (see above)
11:12<DonaldTrump2020>bremner: learn definitions you twit
11:12<DonaldTrump2020>spammer not troll
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11:12<themill>bremner: thanks
11:13<bremner>yw and thanks.
11:14<TheSnide>Hi! I need to setup an veryold debian box (wheezy). A debootstrap work pretty well, but any apt-get fails with "Some packages could not be authenticated". I guess the GPG sigs are too old. Any idea on how I could solve it?
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11:16<PaddyF>TheSnide: maybe this page can help you: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#How_apt_uses_Release.gpg
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11:17<TheSnide>oh. looks promising. thx
11:18<TheSnide>yeah, I precisely wanted to avoid the --allow-unauthenticated ;-)
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11:22<PaddyF>TheSnide: "gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys #ID" as solution does not work?
11:23<PaddyF>when you replace the #ID part with 46925553 maybe?
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11:27<fmneto>Greetings
11:27<fmneto>What is the current _recommended_ way of building a new kernel on Debian?
11:28<TheSnide>PaddyF: it adds itself correctly to the apt-key db, but still emits the "not auth" warning.
11:28<tomg>dpkg, kernel-package
11:28<dpkg>[kernel-package] Obsolete. Use <kernel handbook> instead. Used to be The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>.
11:29<tomg>now you know as much as i do
11:29<TheSnide>yet, the timestamp is correct : pub 4096R/46925553 2012-04-27 [expires: 2020-04-25]
11:29<PaddyF>fmneto: have a look at https://wiki.debian.org/BuildADebianKernelPackage
11:30<PaddyF>its not official but yeah
11:30<fmneto>PaddyF merci
11:31<PaddyF>TheSnide: from which mirror do you try to fetch your packages?
11:31<TheSnide>debootstrap --arch=armel wheezy /srv/debian-wheezy/ http://archive.debian.org/debian
11:31<PaddyF>thats archived already? hmmm
11:32<PaddyF>maybe then the ftp-master key does not fit. but thats vague guessing
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11:32<TheSnide>i first tried with squeeze, but i saw that wheezy still had linux-2.6 support ;)
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11:33<grove>TheSnide: You could try putting 'Acquire::Check-Valid-Until "0";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10no--check-valid-until
11:34<TheSnide>thx, but same.
11:34<PaddyF>TheSnide: https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html
11:34<PaddyF>:)
11:35<TheSnide>yes, the keys.html is where i managed to download the 46925553 one, as it wasn't on the keyring.debian.org anymore
11:35<PaddyF>too bad
11:35<PaddyF>then i dont know
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11:36<TheSnide>is there a way to "debug" what is annoying apt ?
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11:46<TheSnide>managed to make it working with Acquire::Check-Date "false";
11:46<TheSnide>\o/
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11:55<TheSnide>PaddyF & grove: thx !
11:56<PaddyF>:)
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12:49<kinlo>on buster, running date with a locale now gives AM/PM results, while on jessie it is in 24h format, same locale config. How can I change this - I want to have the same locale as before - with 24h clock...
12:50<kinlo>with locale en_US.utf-8 that is
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13:07<ksk>kinlo: I suppose if you want date to output something specific, you could use its format strings to archive that.
13:07<ksk>also, since buster is not out yet, you might want to carry that question over to #debian-next
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13:16<kinlo>ksk: I was more looking into how it works - /usr/share/i18n/locales/en_US claims to be a revision from 2000 so the file I expected it to be configured in isnt' changed...
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13:22<kinlo>mmmz, nevermind, I found bug 877900 explaining what I need
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15:21<CoffiN>heyy
15:21<Blendie>hiya
15:22<CoffiN>how are u guys ?
15:22<Blendie>this is not a social channel bub, come to #debian-offtopic (on both oftc and freenode) if you just want to hang arpund
15:22<Blendie>the freenode one is the more actice
15:22<Blendie>active
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15:24<CoffiN>ok bro
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15:24<CoffiN>is there any good in python programming language ?
15:25<Wrieh>Hi all, I installed NTP and inserted the line "server nl.pool.ntp.org" to the config file. But if I use the command "date" it still gives the wrong date
15:25<Wrieh>*Wrong time it gives 19:15 instead of 21:25
15:26<CoffiN>?
15:26<sarnold>is it giving hte wrong time because your TZ is incorrect? or is it not synced?
15:26<sarnold>check with date -u
15:27<Wrieh>date -u gives 19:26 it's 21:26 in the Netherlands
15:27<CoffiN>date -u
15:27<sarnold>Tue 04 19:27:07 < Wrieh> date -u gives 19:26 it's 21:26 in the Netherlands
15:27<sarnold>my irc client is in UTC, so date -u shows something reasonable
15:28<CoffiN>I'm new :(
15:28<dvs>CoffiN, what does "sudo hwclock" say?
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15:28<Wrieh>hwclock: Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method.
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15:28<Wrieh>It's a azure Virtual machine
15:29<dvs>bah!
15:29<sarnold>Wrieh: now try this: TZ=Europe/Amsterdam date
15:29<Wrieh>$ TZ=Europe/Amsterdam date
15:29<Wrieh>Tue Jun 4 21:29:40 CEST 2019
15:30<sarnold>cool, looks like everything is working fine
15:30<Wrieh>But when typing just "date" it gives 19:29
15:30<CoffiN>tue jun 4, 22:30 my tlme
15:30<Wrieh>I am using systemtime for writing to a Database and it writes the wrong time there :/
15:31<Wrieh>That's why I want to change it :/
15:31<sarnold>Wrieh: alright, check what's in /etc/timezone. it's probably empty or has UTC or something similar in there
15:31<sarnold>Wrieh: echo Europe/Amsterdam > /etc/timezone -- and then try your date command again
15:32<CoffiN>ok
15:32<CoffiN>try it
15:32<Wrieh>-bash: /etc/timezone: Permission denied
15:32<sarnold>CoffiN: only do that if you want all your times and dates formatted for the netherlands :D
15:33<sarnold>Wrieh: sudo -s first, or su -i first
15:34<CoffiN>ok i won't do :D
15:34<Wrieh>Do I have to restart a service after that?
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15:35<Wrieh>I did what you said me to do Sarnold but it still gives me 19:35 :/
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15:35<Wrieh>The /etc/timezone file contains Europe/Amsterdam
15:35<sarnold>Wrieh: hrm. what's in your TZ?
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15:36<Wrieh>TZ?
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15:37<petn-randall>timezone
15:37<zleap>hi
15:37<CoffiN>hi
15:37<zleap>how are things going ?
15:37<Wrieh>in /etc/timezone there is 1 line now: echo Europe/Amsterdam > /etc/timezone
15:37<Wrieh>wwoops wrong ctrl+ v just Europe/Amsterdam is in there
15:38<petn-randall>zleap: If you want you can check out #debian-offtopic, it's a nice channel where some people from here chat.
15:38<zleap>ok ty
15:39<zleap> /join #debian-offtopic
15:39<zleap>that isn't doing anything
15:39<zleap>typing without the space
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15:40<Wrieh>So what I do?
15:41<sarnold>Wrieh: how about echo $TZ ?
15:41<EmleyMoor>zleap: Sure? Checked your status window?
15:41<CoffiN>I do not know :(
15:41<zleap>done and identified
15:41<zleap>i am not sure how to auto identify on weechat
15:41*EmleyMoor wouldn't know - irssi all the way
15:41<CoffiN>it is a problem anyway
15:42<Wrieh>$ echo $TZ Europe/Amsterdam
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15:43<Wrieh>But date still gives UTC time
15:43<Wrieh>i'll try reboot the machine
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15:45<Wrieh>Reboot didn't help
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15:49<Wrieh>I fixed it, using dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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15:51<sarnold>hrmph. I'm upset my suggestion didn't work :/ do you know what that changed?
15:52<Wrieh>It reconfigured the timezone, the image Azure used was configured to set the local time to UTC.
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15:52<Wrieh>Still my MYSQL insert statement uses the UTC time so it didn't really help
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15:56<sarnold>ah yes, the type of time to insert into an sql database is almost cedrtainly going to be under control of the application in question
15:57<EmleyMoor>Trying to get x2x to work "directly" rather than forwarded... getting "No protocol specified" then "x2x - error: can not open display..." - this is after sorting the MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 business. What do I need to do now?
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15:57<sarnold>this is an insanely complicated topic, whether datetimes in databases are just anindicator of amoment in time, and ought to be recorded that way and reported that way, or ought to have their timezone information recorded at the same time
15:57<Wrieh>sarnold: restarting MariaDB made inserting time correct
15:58<sarnold>Wrieh: did it change the *insert* or just the *display*?
15:58<sarnold>Wrieh: be sure you know what it changed, and why, and if that is the desired behaviour or not
16:00<blast007>timezones are evil, but daylight saving time is even worse
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16:04<Wrieh>sarnold: It changed the insterted time
16:04<Wrieh>Doesn't really matter for this project tho
16:05<sarnold>Wrieh: alright. I'm happy if you're happy. this is the kind of thing that could make people *really* hate life when eg in two years they open anew location in a different timezone and find all the times are unintelligible, etc
16:06<Wrieh>It's just a schoolproject and all the testing/using will be in the Netherlands, it won't be used again after the project is done
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16:08<sarnold>beautiful! :D then have fun :)
16:08<sarnold>just be sure to keep this ocnversation in mind when you build a service for production later
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16:09<Wrieh>Thx for all the help, Gonna have fun now trying to write data received on a serial connection towards the database
16:11<sarnold>oh nice :D
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23:54<mendelmunkis>In the past week two wireless mice I bought (from different companies) have had the same issue of rapidly connecting and disconnecting receivers. gpm can read the during the half seconds they are connected but x cant.
23:55<mendelmunkis>anyone know what the problem might be?
23:57<sqrt{not}>other RF signals ?
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