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01:53<badrash>I'm looking for some help getting my wifi to connect. I have the correct firmware installed it starts then deactivates.
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01:55<jm_>have you looked if there are any messages in logs?
01:55<badrash>Yes but I dont know what they mean.
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01:57<jm_>put them on the paste site and maybe someone will know more -- /msg dpkg paste
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02:12<badrash>I have to shorten the log pastebin says its to large over a thousand lines
02:13<jm_>you have that many lines after you enable wifi? try including only those
02:16<badrash>Its a few days old I got it down to one day
02:17<jm_>it would be easier if you do this after a fresh boot - boot with wifi disabled, wait 30s or so, look at the current timestamp, enable wifi then check the logs after that timestamp
02:17<badrash>Its from the syslog in /var/log
02:18<jm_>yeah and also look at output from journalctl
02:19<badrash>Its up on pastebin. And I will look at journalct.
02:20<jm_>you need to give us pastebin URL
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02:25<badrash>I hope this is the right window to put a link.
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02:28<jm_>it keeps saying authentication with 90:4e:91:34:64:0e timed out, so maybe look at all the settings if they are correct - password, modes ...
02:28<jm_>SSID to use and so on - I am not really familiar with wifi
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02:31<badrash>I have i even added the lines that stop it from randomizeing the mac since in searching I found that's been a problem in debian 9 for some people.
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02:40<badrash>Thanks for trying "jm_"
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02:50<Guest4615>hao ayou
02:50<Guest4615>msg dpkg pavlushka
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03:23<Tepelstreeltje>hi! I am a noob :D and im stuck :p
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03:24<Tepelstreeltje>after installing with apt-get install it is installed correct
03:25<Tepelstreeltje>when i check with dpkg -l its in the list ii
03:25<Tepelstreeltje>so good
03:25<Tepelstreeltje>on ubuntu I just type the name.. and it runs
03:25<Tepelstreeltje>when I type the name of the softw in debian it tells me command not found..
03:26<jm_>you want it to automatically install missing commands or what?
03:27<duclicsic>Tepelstreeltje: what is the command you are typing?
03:27<Tepelstreeltje>I want to install a tetrinet server
03:27<Tepelstreeltje>apt-get install tetrinet-server
03:27<Tepelstreeltje>after it completes
03:27<Tepelstreeltje>when I type tetrinet-server
03:27<duclicsic>no, the command that results in "command not found"
03:27<Tepelstreeltje>ah just
03:27<Tepelstreeltje>on ubuntu it runs
03:28<Tepelstreeltje>debian gives error
03:28<jm_>is /usr/games not in your PATH?
03:28<Tepelstreeltje>ubuntu is a desktop vm client
03:28<Tepelstreeltje>aaah its there
03:28<Tepelstreeltje>ill test it
03:28<Tepelstreeltje>ok so it is in the /usr/games
03:29<Tepelstreeltje>so im at /usr/games
03:29<Tepelstreeltje>when I type tetrinet-server command not found
03:29<Tepelstreeltje>haha its running :p
03:29<jm_>again, "." is not in PATH by default on debian - I hope it's not in ubuntu either
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03:30<Tepelstreeltje>if I do cntrl z it will run in background.?
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03:31<jm_>probably, until you stop the terminal
03:31<Tepelstreeltje>i can make it keep running?
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03:32<Tepelstreeltje>that I can google :)
03:32<dpkg>well, idk is I don't know... Do you?
03:32<Tepelstreeltje>thx guys :)
03:32<ach>just press alt+f2
03:32<jm_>yeah detach it from the terminal or run it in screen/tmux/...
03:32<ach>to act it as single
03:33<Tepelstreeltje>when its running i press alt + f2
03:33<jm_>or nohup tetrinet-server &
03:33<Tepelstreeltje>is not going to shutdown the server? :p
03:34<Tepelstreeltje>i had i once.. :p
03:34<Tepelstreeltje>they had a good laugh
03:34<Tepelstreeltje>i was fucked :p
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04:02<zer00>I'm trying to understand what mean the "Send-Q" column in netstat output for LISTENING socket (non established connection). The doc say "Listening: Since Kernel 2.6.18 this column contains the maximum size of the syn backlog." however, this is the behavior of the 'ss' tool but not of my netstat..
04:03<zer00>someone have information about that?
04:03<zer00>exactly like this post:
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04:10<azeem>that's a pretty specific question, please wait a while for answers and/or repost in a couple of hours when other people pay attention
04:12<Tepelstreeltje>so when i press alt+f2 I can start a new process and he goves me [12]
04:12<Tepelstreeltje>if I do [12] /user/games/tetrinet-server
04:12<Tepelstreeltje>its should create a new process in the background?
04:14<jm_>& puts things in background: «command &»
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04:47<thsnr>zer00: because netstat uses /proc/net/tcp, while ss uses the tcp_diag kernel module
04:48<thsnr>the latter behaves as documented
04:48<thsnr>while the former simply reports the send queue
04:49<thsnr>no idea, why man netstat claims that it behaves like ss when it does not
04:57<zer00>and any idea of what's value of "send-q" column in netstat for a listening socket ? (obviously not max backlog size)
04:59<rant>in Soviet Russia, the netstat man claims YOU! :-/
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06:30<LNX5452>hi ~
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06:38<petn-randall>Did a new Kali version release? So many people saying hi and leaving after a minute.
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06:41<Guest4628>Not sure. There is a new version of parrot OS out though
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06:42<petn-randall>Ah, that explains it.
06:44<Guest4628>trying to access breach lists. any tips?
06:45<petn-randall>Guest4628: How is this related to Debian?
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07:33<grummund>Why would load average be high (~5) yet top shows %CPU only 1% for the top process?
07:35<jm_>load average is calculated with more than just tasks in running state - it also includes tasks waiting for I/O
07:36<grummund>so if storage device was slow, e.g. USB or sd card, this could lead to high reported load?
07:37<grummund>that'll be it then. thank you both :)
07:37<petn-randall>load is "how many processes are waiting waiting for their turn to run". This is *usually* CPU, but it can be disk I/O, or even network I/O, or anything else.
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12:15<jelly>what does "Ma bite ?" mean in French?
12:15<jelly> lol
12:16<annadane>oh. something not nice, apparently. i just saw french and blindly redirected them
12:16<annadane>never mind, ignore the trolls...
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12:59<annadane>what is the easiest way to install newer python in debian, i was going to do it via pip but i can't find the package name on
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13:00<annadane>oh make altinstall apparently
13:01<annadane>never mind
13:03<annadane>there's also anaconda apparently
13:04<somiaj>you really don't want to do that
13:05<somiaj>you want to create a isolated virtual enviorment with a newer python if you really need one. What is wrong with the version of python in debian?
13:05<somiaj>(to many system stuff uses python now, and changing the default python version can have bad sideaffects)
13:06<annadane>the idea is to create an isolated environment, and not overwrite. i'm just trying to figure out how to do that
13:06<annadane>that said i should have specified that first
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13:07<somiaj>It takes a bit of work last I looked into it. But can be done (I do think you have to compile your own python though)
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13:08<annadane>which i'm fine with, i just hate makefiles
13:08<somiaj>I did find a guide on this. I just never needed a newer python version.
13:08<somiaj>,v python3
13:08<judd>Package: python3 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.7.3-1; sid: 3.7.3-1
13:08<somiaj>is there something specific you need that isn't in 3.5? Or just doing this for academic reasons
13:08<somiaj>(i.e. you want to learn how)
13:08<annadane>that said i need to just do some reading and learn how to do this
13:09<annadane>well, academic reasons in the sense i want to learn python in 3.7
13:09<somiaj>My suggestion is just run buster, or make a buster chroot (are you doing any graphical stuff with python at the start)?
13:09<annadane>i'm not
13:09<annadane>but yeah sure i mean buster is out soon
13:10<annadane>still, when 3.8 releases, it'll be good to learn how to do this
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13:10<elpasmo>Hi all, I'm trying to install the last version of debian using the tiny CD image for the netboot installer on a tuxedo infinity laptop and when I choose any option on the grub menu I get a black screen with a strange red row at the top with several white stripes. Maybe it is a video card problem? dunno...
13:10<somiaj>In this case a chroot is fairly easy, you can use debootstrap, and have yourself a chroot (isolated enviorment) with 3.7.3 fairly quickly and then get use to all the debian python packages.
13:11<somiaj>elpasmo: why are you using the netboot image? And by latest version of debian do you mean stretch (Which is the latest release) or you wanting buster (which will release soon)
13:11<blast007>elpasmo: "last version" meaning Debian 8 instead of Debian 9?
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13:11<annadane>i had assumed it was as simple as pip install python3.7 or that compiling came with clear instructions but it's proven surprisingly difficult to research, or i'm just an idiot
13:12<elpasmo>meaning: the mini.iso one
13:12<DusXMT>annadane: Personally, I think it's better to be versed even in older versions, you never know when you'll have to write scripts that'll have to work on RHEL/CentOS systems (those have even older packages (in general) than Debian, their release cycle is longer)
13:12<somiaj>annadane: python-virtualenviroment (or whatever the package is) is good for settiing up virtual enviorments to install custom python software, but there is extra hurdels to change the python version.
13:13<somiaj>elpasmo: I know what the netboot is, it is most liekly not the installer you want. What version of debian do you want to install (latest is 9 - stretch)
13:13<DusXMT>somiaj: are you certain?
13:13<elpasmo>somiaj: 9 - stretch sounds good :)
13:14<annadane>i mean i do use python3-venv for making virtualenv's i just can't find the "package name for python 3.7" if such a thing exists
13:14<annadane>their website could be better
13:14<DusXMT>somiaj: unless one wants to save bandwidth when installing on several computers, netinst generally makes the most sense
13:14<somiaj>elpasmo: do you have hardware (a network card) that would require non-free firmware?
13:14<somiaj>DusXMT: that is not the netinstall image, that is the netboot (for pxe boot) image. That is not what most users will want.
13:15<elpasmo>somiaj: I think the videocard will need it, but I want to try nouveau first if it's possible
13:15<somiaj>elpasmo: okay, then download the netinstall image (not netboot).
13:15<somiaj>elpasmo: I'm assuming amd64?
13:15<elpasmo>somiaj: yes, that's right
13:16<somiaj>elpasmo: -- that is the image you want.
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13:16<elpasmo>somiaj: thanks a lot man
13:16<somiaj>elpasmo: also make sure you copy it to the usb drive correctly (don't use unetbootin or any tool like that)
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13:16<elpasmo>somiaj: I understand that sudo cp image.iso /dev/sdX && sudo sync it's the way to go
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13:17<somiaj>elpasmo: perfect
13:18<elpasmo>somiaj: thanks a lot
13:21<somiaj>annadane: I'm not finding any good resource on this (mostly a lot of bad info). One version suggest compling python yourself and installing it in a --prefix that is isoalted. It seems python-pyenv might have ways to do this better. But I keep getting tons of bad advise on my google searches or a page that dosen't clearly just state what needs to be done.
13:21<annadane>interesting, someone on stackexchange used checkinstall
13:22<somiaj>yea, the stackexchange link I found is filled with bad advise
13:22<annadane>yeah i know --prefix i just haven't bothered how to... you know, read
13:22<somiaj>checkinstall is bad advise (this will override the default version which you don't want to do)
13:22<annadane>ah, ok
13:22<annadane>i'm surprised the research is this complicated, you would assume it's simpler
13:23<somiaj>If you awnt to compile it from source, just download the source, ./configure --prefix $HOME/python/myenv, or ./configure --prefix /opt/python/myevn, then make, make isntall
13:23<annadane>...why didn't i think of that?
13:23<somiaj>It isn't that it is complicated it is that the internet is filled with bad advise on debian systems.
13:24<annadane>thanks, that now sounds blatantly obvious
13:24<somiaj>though pyenv looks very promising too
13:24<annadane>which i don't think is packaged for debian, last i checked
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13:26<somiaj>,v python-pyenv
13:26<judd>No package named 'python-pyenv' was found in amd64.
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13:29<somiaj>this seems reasonable (only thing I'm unsure about is the setting the global version, I would skip that and just setup local versions inside your virutal enviroment)
13:29<somiaj>you might also be able to do that all (except install the build depends) as a normal user and not mess with your system.
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13:41<elpasmo>somiaj: I'm sorry. I'm trying to install with the iso you told me (debian 9.9.0 amd64 netinst) and when I choose any grub option is the same thing: black screen with top red row and white stripes.
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13:43*DusXMT doesn't understand why the issue would've been with tiny.iso, has installed many systems with it, it's especially handy since to boot it, you only need the ability to load a linux kernel and initrd
13:44<DusXMT>elpasmo: I'd try setting some options like nomodeset
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13:45<elpasmo>DusXMT: That's selecting 'e' and adding nomodeset to the 'linux /install.amd/vmlinuz vga=788 --- quiet' line?
13:45<DusXMT>elpasmo: Indeed, and potentially removing the vga= line
13:45<somiaj>elpasmo: what was the exact command you used to copy the image to the .iso
13:45<somiaj>elpasmo: usb
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13:46<elpasmo>somiaj: sudo cp debian-9.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb && sudo sync
13:46<somiaj>okay, just making sure you put it on the drive and not sdb1
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13:47<somiaj>yea, could be a graphics driver issue, so setting nomodeset can help
13:48<elpasmo>DusXMT: Tried 'linux /install.amd/vmlinuz nomodeset --- quiet' and got a black screen (not top red row this time)
13:48<DusXMT>elpasmo: removing quiet could be useful as well, that way you'd see kernel log messages
13:48<DusXMT>It could help expose a potential error
13:49<annadane>somiaj, just concerning /opt would i need to put it in my $PATH first before the shell detects it?
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13:50<DusXMT>annadane: Indeed
13:50<elpasmo>DusXMT: Tried 'linux /install.amd/vmlinuz nomodeset' and now again black screen with top red row
13:51<DusXMT>annadane: Some commonly used convention is either setting it in .profile, or having a file in /opt that you would "source" into your shell whenever you'd want access to things in /opt
13:51<DusXMT>(and with /opt, you usually have subfolders for different projects, and within them "bin" "lib" "share" etc. for the different projects)
13:51<annadane>i think i'll just dump it in /usr/local where i've been storing everything else
13:52<somiaj>annadane: be careful not to put it in /usr/local/bin though, hence why I suggested /opt (it is more for standa alone stuff).
13:52<annadane>oh, really? i didn't know that wasn't a good idea
13:52<somiaj>though in this case I would just put it in $HOME and not use root at all, no reason to.
13:53<DusXMT>annadane: would be nifty to do a staged install "eg. make DESTDIR=/tmp/stage install" and then recording a list of those files and creating an archive, so that you'd be able to uninstall it
13:53<somiaj>annadane: /usr/local/bin is common in the system $PATH, so a python there will override the system default.
13:53<somiaj>if it wasn't something as core as python, the standard /usr/local prefix would most likely be fine.
13:54<annadane>good to know, i had no idea
13:54<somiaj>yea /usr/local uses standard fhs and splits things aprt, /opt as DusXMT mentioned is for a standalone thing, which is what I suggest doing with this cusotm python version
13:54<somiaj>so /opt/python/mycustomversion
13:55<somiaj>then that single directory contains everything and it is all located in a single directory tree (easy to remove too)
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13:58<DusXMT>annadane: Installing things in /usr/local is only bad if you don't keep track of the files you plop there
13:58<DusXMT>Since then it can be a pain to remove and upgrade manually compiled packages
13:59<annadane>i have 2 things installed neither of which i'm ever going to install using apt
13:59<elpasmo>DusXMT: I tested also disabling UEFI but I didn't accomplish anything :(
13:59<somiaj>stow can help with that too. Though in this case, stuff in /usr/local will override system stuff (which is fine in some cases, just not python)
13:59<annadane>...though i should apt-mark hold them just to be sure
13:59<somiaj>elpasmo: what video card do you have?
14:00<somiaj>annadane: na, the /usr/local/stuff is indepeent of the stuff installed by apt.
14:00<somiaj>just /usr/local binaries take priority over system binaries.
14:00<elpasmo>somiaj: Intel UHD 620 Graphic
14:00<somiaj>elpasmo: hmm, then why were you talking about nouveau.
14:00<somiaj>elpasmo: and you tried the text based installer (not graphical)?
14:01<elpasmo>somiaj: Don't know, I'm not very proficient in this :) And yes... no good either
14:01<somiaj>okay just making sure it wasn't some optimus setup.
14:02<somiaj>but for intel cards you want 'nomodeset i915.modeset=0'
14:02<somiaj>it is a mix between intel cards and nvidia cards
14:02<somiaj>(your system as two cards that can be switched between)
14:02<elpasmo>somiaj: Ok so the line is 'linux /install.amd/vmlinuz nomodeset i915.modeset=0' is that right?
14:03<somiaj>also trying to see if that card is a bit new for the 4.9 kernel, you may need the 4.19 kernel from stretch-backports (though don't know why this would affect the installer, it would affect graphical installer)
14:04<somiaj>yea, looks like this card wasn't added to the kernel until 4.10 or 4.11 (so the stretch 4.9 kernel won't have native support for that card)
14:04<elpasmo>somiaj: I've changed the line, pressed ctrl+x and got the same black screen
14:04<somiaj>you can get the kernel from stretch-backports, but that is only if we can get the install to work.
14:04<somiaj>since you are trying things,
14:04<somiaj>try the buster installer with the 4.19 kernel. See if that helsp with your hardware.
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14:04<elpasmo>somiaj: on it, thanks!
14:05<somiaj>Note buster isn't actually released yet, but it is close, and it should work just fine, you just wont' get full security support until the actual release.
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14:06<elpasmo>somiaj: noted, thanks, I'll get back to you with the result
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14:11<Wrieh>Hi all, I am using Codelite to develop a program, When I use gcc main.c -o test `mysql_config --cflags --libs` in the terminal everything works fine. But If I use the Codelite build tool it doesn't seem to find the libraries
14:12<Wrieh>And I can't compile my program there, really annoying because I need to use the debugger :/ anyone have any ideas how to fix this?
14:15<Wrieh>./Debug/main.c.o: In function `finish_with_error': /home/jens/Documents/Project_zonkracht/zonkracht/main.c:118: undefined reference to `mysql_error' is the error i'm getting. I am using the default-libmysqlclient-dev package
14:16<sarnold>Wrieh: how does codelite try to build the thing?
14:16<Wrieh>How do I check?
14:17<sarnold>probably there's a 'build' field somewhere..
14:17<sarnold>my guess is it just runs make
14:17<sarnold>unless you tell it differently
14:18<Wrieh>This is what it outputs in the "build" screen
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14:19<elpasmo>somiaj: success!!!! Thanks a lot!
14:19<Wrieh>It's probably something simple but I'm not really experienced in setting up a programming environment
14:19<sarnold>Wrieh: excellent, what's in the Makefile?
14:20<Wrieh>How I check ?
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14:21<sarnold>less Makefile
14:22<Wrieh>I guess I don't have a makefile?
14:22<sarnold>aha :) time to write one :)
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14:23<Wrieh>Why do I need one? I can use the gcc command and it works succesfully but Codelite just doesn't seem to pick up some libraries or something
14:25<sarnold>it's really nice to have a Makefile, since it will let you incrementally rebuild only what needs to be rebuilt after you make changes to one file, and make builds repeatable, so you don't need to keep typing the entire long gcc command, and add new header directories, libraries to link against, etc, as your project grows
14:25<sarnold>hmm, what's the file do?
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14:27<sarnold>aha, it auto-created one for you :)
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14:29<sarnold>Wrieh: see if you can find a way to add to the Libs line, maybe there's a way to run commands for that, or maybe it requires the actual Libs you'll need.. mysql_config --libs will almost certainly generate that..
14:29<sarnold>Wrieh: and CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS probably needs something from mysql_config --cflags
14:29<Wrieh>The weird thing is can compile in the terminal with this command: gcc main.c -o test `mysql_config --cflags --libs`
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14:30<Wrieh>Should i add those to "Compiler options"?
14:30<sarnold>yeah, give it a shot
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14:31<Wrieh>nope didn't help
14:32<sarnold>dang :( sorry, I'm not so good with ides, I'm not sure what to suggest next
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14:34<Wrieh>mmf I need to run a debugger :/
14:35<Wrieh>And gdb looks very complicated
14:35<sarnold>you could just add -g to your command line, and then you could use gdb or rr or whatever
14:37<Wrieh>wtf it seems like fairy's fixed my problem
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14:39<Wrieh>Ok it gets weirder if I compile my main.c it goes allright but if I press CTRL+F5 It gives me those errors
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14:49<grummund>Hi, can anyone help with how to implement recipient verify with callout in exim, please?
14:49<grummund>afaict it is handled with /etc/exim4/local_rcpt_callout but the documenation is too terse for me to follow.
14:50<grummund>the idea is for a backup MX to call forward to the primary MX (when it's online) to validate recipiemts and cache that list so as to avoid backscatter.
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14:56<Wrieh>Nobody else has any idea for my problem? It seems like codelite is using G++ for building and GCC for compiling?
14:57<dboles>no idea what your previous messages are, but those are probably the same thing; g++ is the C++ compiler in the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC)
14:58<bremner>well, on the command line they do different things
14:58<bremner>and indeed link different ways
14:58<Wrieh>I am having a C file and it's trying to compile it with G++
14:58<bremner>well, g++ and gcc
14:58<bremner>Wrieh: yeah, that's sometimes useful to do
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14:59<Wrieh>Is codelite somehow thinking I am have a C file?
14:59<Wrieh>C++ file*?
14:59<grummund>.c or .C ?
14:59<dboles>bremner: depends which "they" you mean, since GCC may name either the GNU Compiler Collection or the GNU C Compiler
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14:59<dboles>but yeah, not ideal to have the 2 meanings :)
14:59<bremner>yes, but are we trying to help or win an argument?
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15:01<grummund>It seems like codelite is using G++ for building and GCC for compiling, <- what is meant by that, exactly?
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15:01<Wrieh>ah ignore my last messagges. I changed my main.c to main.C
15:02<Wrieh>And now it seems to find the libraries well
15:02<Wrieh>But it gives me compile errors about return(0) in a void function.
15:02<dboles>as it should...
15:03<grummund>you are confusing me, is the code C or C++ ?
15:03<dboles>1st, main() returns int. 2nd, parentheses around return values are unnecessary and a weird tic
15:03<Wrieh>The code is in C @grummund.
15:03<grummund>Wrieh: then the file should be .c not .C
15:04<Wrieh>How can that codelite uses GCC if the file is .C and G++ if the file is .c?
15:05<grummund>presumably you mean gcc and g++
15:06<elpasmo>somiaj: Hi again! I managed to install using firmware-buster to have the non-free drivers and all went well. But now, GRUB is not showing (I did a dual installation) and I have a grey screen for 1 minute and after the other OS boots. So I can't choose my debian buster option.
15:06<Wrieh>Sorry have been a Windows user for years and capitals don't matter to me :P
15:08<grummund>Wrieh: the program names are in lower case (just becase they are) whereas GCC refers to the toolchain in a more general sense.
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15:09<grummund>Wrieh: put something in a pastebin. without context and detail people can only guess.
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15:13<dboles>yes, a void function by definition does not return anything
15:13<Wrieh>But I need to "escape" from that function
15:13<Wrieh>If something is wrong
15:14<dboles>not sure what you're confused about, other than how to read a C tutorial and format code
15:14<dboles>so return without a value: `return;`
15:14<dboles>or if you need to abort the entire program, exit(), but then if something is wrong, you'd want to exit(some_non_zero_value) because 0 indicates the process closed without problems
15:15<grummund>Wrieh: for a start it should be main.c
15:17<grummund>Wrieh: secondly, don't call the output 'test' (there is already a program of that name and it will be confusing)
15:17<Wrieh>If I name the program the build gives me those errors:
15:18<Wrieh>If i name the program main.c*
15:18<dboles>because you're not linking to mysql. please, this is very basic and off-topic for this channel
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15:19<Wrieh>I am using default-libmysqlclient-dev package for a mysql connection
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15:19<Guest4651>hi zusammen ;o)
15:21<Wrieh>What do I have to fill in there?
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15:23<grummund>Wrieh: your config is badly messed up. best get a hello world program working and ask on a codelite forum for help.
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15:26<Wrieh>I fixed it myself, thx for all the friendly help
15:28<grummund>Anyone understand exim config well enough to explain /etc/exim4/local_rcpt_callout ?
15:29*grummund wants to implement recipient verify with callout. afaict, it can be done with this file but what to put in there is a mystery.
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18:22<deniz>hello, i am on debian 8, i am getting various errors related to sources.list file while trying to install stuff. is there an easy fix to this or do i have to upgrade to 8?
18:22<deniz>upgrade to 9*
18:24<sarnold>it depends upon the errors
18:24<deniz>its stuff like Failed to fetch Unable to find expected entry 'main/source/Sources' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)
18:25<dpkg>jessie-updates was a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates were included in point releases. . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. jessie-updates has been unsupported since 2018-05-17.
18:25<deniz>thanks, so i have no way around upgrading?
18:26<deniz>if so is there a tutorial or resource that will tell me how to backup the machine in a way that i can roll back in case hell breaks loose
18:26<jmcnaught>deniz: jessie is still supported by LTS
18:27<jmcnaught>it's just the jessie-updates and jessie-backports repositories that have been archived, the security jessie/updates repository is still updated by LTS.
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18:28<deniz>thanks jmc
18:28<deniz>forgive me but i dont understand whether that means i can fix misc packages not installing
18:28<jmcnaught>deniz: upgrading is still a good idea though. There are detailed instructions in the release notes but not for backing up the system:
18:30<deniz>well is there a way to create a snapshot or something?
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18:32<sarnold>if you're using zfs on root, btrfs on root, or lvm, yeah
18:32<sarnold>you could also use dd to make a copy of the block devices in question
18:34<deniz>apparently im on tmpfs
18:34<deniz>its a vm
18:34<deniz>i do have root though
18:34<sarnold>your vm manager may offer snapshots
18:35<deniz>they do but they take a million years to respond to emails :/
18:36<deniz>im looking into dd
18:36<deniz>forgive me for asking but what do you mean by a block device
18:40<deniz>i guess you mean the disk?
18:40<sarnold>/dev/sda, /dev/sdb, etc
18:40<deniz>will i have backedup the entire machine if i back up the stuff in dev?
18:41<deniz>i tried scp ing / once but i guess i fell into recursive symlinks or something lol
18:42<sarnold>yeah, that's a quick path to insanity :)
18:42<sarnold>rsync of /etc /home /root /var etc would do a better job, but it's a lot more work..
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18:44<deniz>yeah i havent been maintaining this thing since the beginning so i cant quite pinpoint what stuff is critical and needs backup
18:45<deniz>anyway thanks sarnold and jmcnaught
18:45<sarnold>oh man that's a rough spot to be in
18:46<blast007>shut it down and people will let you know what critical stuff it runs ;)
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18:52<sarnold>hehe :)
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19:33<jhutchins>sarnold: That's part of our decom process. Shut it down and see who yells. We don't leave it down long enough to catch month-end, but ten days oughta be good.
19:34<sarnold>jhutchins: having a plan to not destroy the machine for ten days is a great idea
19:34<jhutchins>The change plan always says that "backout" is "restore from backups", but we usually don't have full backups.
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19:38<sarnold>and even when you think you do.. do you really? :)
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19:44<scientes>where do i download oldstable?
19:45<Sysifoss>Hi! I saw a debian tutorial on changing plymouth themes that mentioned the command plymouth-set-default-theme but I cant seem to find this program
19:45<sarnold>scientes: this may do the trick; I haven't tried msyelf, mind you
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19:47<blast007>scientes: if you're looking for old ISOs, check
19:48<scientes>hmm, i'm trying to debootstrap 32-bit powerpc
19:48<scientes>looks like fastly doesn't have it
19:49<somiaj>scientes: has older versions, though for powerpc, check out debian ports
19:49<scientes>boom arvhive worked
19:50<somiaj>debian ports dose have newer versions of debian for powerpc, even though debian offically stoped supporting it
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20:13<scientes>fastly doesn't even have ppc64el
20:13<scientes>or arm64!
20:13<scientes>oh that is jessie, nbm
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