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00:33<somiaj>finn0: if your machine works just fine (no battery issues and no crashing, I thought you said it was hard locking up), then you can safely ignore those warnings, and it is just an issue with your firmware not reporting good info to the os.
00:34<somiaj>you should also double check your firmware settings and make sure you have windows OS unckecked (or non-windows os checked), there is often a setting to this affect.
00:34<somiaj>and as sqrt{not} metneiond (And I before) check the firmware updates. They will often say what they are for, so you can decide if it affects you too.
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00:48<finn0>okay, thanks
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03:51<finn0>I'm configuring my PC to use DoT(DNS over TLS) and found a good tutorial for that at ( for I couldn't follow up their instruction. Where is the 'stubby' configuration file(there is a no stubby folder in /etc directory)?
03:56<finn0>If I create this file in /etc/stubby/stubby.yml. Does it work? Why does stubby program for stable is in getdns package and sid its a separate package?
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04:00<tomreyn>finn0: the tutorial you followed is for ubuntu 18.04. based on your presence here i assume that you run a version of debian, which may provide a different version of stubby?
04:01<tomreyn>fwiw, the stubby package in ubuntu 18.04 does place a stubby configuration file at /etc/stubby/stubby.yml
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04:04<tomreyn>hmm so both buster and sid provide stubby 1.5.1-1 which also provides the configuration file
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04:04<tomreyn>oh well
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05:37<CrazyBi7>hello, Can i post here a problem that I have with the installation of Debian?
05:37<CrazyBi7>or exists another channel for help?
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05:44<furrymcgee>yes we can
05:47<CrazyBi7>Ok, I installed debian 9 i386 on a old Panel Pc (a touch screen monitor with a computer inside). When the installation was completed, the SO don't start: a cursor blinks for a minutes, then the device will block
05:48<CrazyBi7>now, I can see a Log of the boot to see what cause this problem? Or there are other solutions?
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05:49<CrazyBi7>i tried with nomodeset, acpi=off, acpi_osi="Windows 2006" (because there was Windows 7 before), Noapic and nolapic
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05:51<tomreyn>there's also #debian on freenode (more people there)
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06:27<finn0>tomreyn: Is stubby from buster or sid different from stubby present in getdns-utils package for stable?
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06:40<bremner>judd: versions stubby
06:40<judd>Package: stubby on amd64 -- buster: 1.5.1-1; sid: 1.5.1-1
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07:03<jelly>CrazyBi7: removing "quiet" from boot parameters may let you see more of what's going on with the kernel
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07:14<CrazyBi7>jelly: So, the last line says: "Strarting Set console font and keymap..."
07:14<CrazyBi7>With nomodeset, this is the last line, but isn't very good for quality
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07:31<CrazyBi7>sorry, but I'm going to have launch, I'll retry. Thank you for all
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07:38<finn0>Is anyone using DoT(DNS over TLS)?
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07:52<finn0>It seems like stubby in sid or buster is different from Stubby in getdns-utils (on Github repo (, Stubby becomes a separate package and getdns as its library dependencies).
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12:32<noname>Hi. I am on debian 9.9. Problem. Resume after hibernation works with Cinnamon but not with gnome3. With gnome I get a blank screen after resuming. I have the following error message in journalctl: Connection to xwayland lost. But I guess wayland was not running for gnome anyway considered "/etc/gdm3/daemon.conf:#WaylandEnable=false". Does anybody knows about that problem?
12:34<somiaj>Are you sure waylend isn't running? First gdm3 is just the display manager, maybe your session launches waylend after and second that line has a comment # in front of it, you may just need to remove the comment.
12:35<somiaj>this is for ubuntu, ttps://, but it suggests removing that comment # from the conf file.
12:36<noname>I guessed commented entries would tell one the defaults in case there are no settings....
12:36<noname>But I will try it with uncommenting.
12:37<noname>Thx for your help.
12:37<somiaj>That is sometimes the case (not always) and waylend should not be default in stretch (my understanding). But I think there are two gnome sessions, one for wayland and one for xorg, maybe you are running the wrong gnome session
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12:37<somiaj>(since I haven't used this I"m only going off of what I've read or heard others talk about)
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13:13<discofrisco>hello guys, i have problem with intalling winehq-staging
13:13<discofrisco>sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-staging report me: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
13:13<discofrisco> winehq-staging : Depends: wine-staging (= 4.10~buster)
13:13<discofrisco>arch i386 added
13:14<discofrisco>any idea?
13:14<discofrisco>fresh install was 9.9+nonfree updated to 10
13:15<discofrisco>lsb_release -a
13:15<discofrisco>No LSB modules are available.
13:15<discofrisco>Distributor ID: Debian
13:15<discofrisco>Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
13:15<discofrisco>Release: 10
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13:30<ajay>i have one dout
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13:34<sqrt{not}>discofrisco: can you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list file, in a www paste ?
13:34<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: | pics/screenshots: or | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): or | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
13:38<discofrisco>sqrt{not}, pls check
13:38<annadane>oh god
13:38*annadane runs away screaming
13:39<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (, *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
13:39<discofrisco>normal sources.list
13:40<jhutchins>No, frankendebian sources.list.
13:41<discofrisco>debian 10 is testing
13:41<discofrisco>so its normal
13:41<discofrisco>but basically im using updates, -updates, backports
13:41<discofrisco>and no other
13:42<discofrisco>all lines were commented #
13:42<sqrt{not}>discofrisco: yah, where did the winehq-staging package come from ?
13:42<jhutchins>discofrisco: None of your 9.9 entries are enabled, you are using a mix of testing and unstable, with third party repositories.
13:42<discofrisco>from off repo
13:42<sqrt{not}>not from a debian source, i guess ?
13:43<discofrisco>Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
13:43<jhutchins>discofrisco: You really don't have anything from stable, I would suggest you ask in #debian-next as shown above.
13:43<discofrisco>all lines with scretch were repalced to buster
13:43<jhutchins>discofrisco: That's not something we can support here.
13:43<blast007>wine-staging is not a Debian package
13:44<sqrt{not}>winehq-staging also not in debian
13:44<discofrisco>its debian repo
13:45<blast007>!don't break debian
13:45<dpkg>dont break debian is probably
13:45<discofrisco>deb buster main
13:45<jhutchins>You really have to expect package conflicts when you mix repos like that.
13:46<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, wine is ine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: . #winehq on See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>.
13:46<discofrisco>all added according to rules
13:46<jhutchins>discofrisco: You'll probably have to ask wine support about your problem, it is not a #debian problem.
13:47<discofrisco>but debian testing not offer libfaudio0
13:47<discofrisco>so was connected mirror of opensuses which mirroring their wok dir
13:47<discofrisco>so thx
13:47<discofrisco>im know what its 3rd party repos
13:48<sqrt{not}> is not debian
13:48<blast007>,v libfaudio0
13:48<judd>Package: libfaudio0 on amd64 -- sid: 19.02-1
13:48<sqrt{not}>they may be making packages that might work on debian, but they are not debian.
13:48<discofrisco>its 3rd party repos
13:49<annadane>actually i've wondered whether wine is acceptable to add as a 3rd party repo; now i'm getting mixed answers
13:49<discofrisco>so any idea how to fix?
13:49<discofrisco>system very stable
13:49<discofrisco>isung it each day
13:49<annadane>and please don't disagree with the people offering support in the channel, if they tell you it's x or not x, listen
13:50<discofrisco>some additional repos were added to build audacity from src
13:50<sqrt{not}>also that line you showed above, is commented out in the sources.list file you pasted ?
13:51<discofrisco>just tried their addin repo
13:51<discofrisco>to try to install from it
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13:52<discofrisco>their page says Dialog-warning.svgBeginning with Wine 4.5, the wine-devel packages for Debian Testing require libfaudio0 as a dependency. Since the distro does not provide it, libfaudio0 packages can be downloaded from the OBS. See for details.
13:52<discofrisco>forum page: The packages will not be distributed from the download server here, but can be obtained directly from the OBS.
13:52<discofrisco>Debian Testing: ... _standard/
13:53<jhutchins>Yeah, that'll help for sure.
13:53<discofrisco>same problem
13:53<jhutchins>No kidding. You really don't get the idea of dependencies, do you?
13:54<discofrisco>i think i need to downgrade some packages
13:54<discofrisco>but it can crack whole system
13:54<discofrisco>as i said system is very stable
13:55<discofrisco>DAW PC
13:55<discofrisco>wine-staging-i386:i386 : Depends: libasound2-plugins:i386 but it is not going to be installed
13:55<discofrisco>problem with libasound2
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13:56<annadane>yes your system can be "stable" but now you're having issues with upgrades/installs
13:56<discofrisco>only with winehq
13:56<annadane>you have to do things in specific ways in debian or any other OS
13:57<discofrisco>im using linux since 2002
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13:57<discofrisco>since mandrake 8
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13:58<discofrisco>so u had fear when saw opensuse repo
13:58<discofrisco>im not so stuppid to connect repo from other distro
13:58<sqrt{not}>debian includes many "wine" variants and options, but wine-staging and winehq-staging are not among them.
13:59<discofrisco>i need it to run specific stuff
13:59<discofrisco>not for gaming
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13:59<discofrisco>just neew to run EAC
13:59<sqrt{not}>at this point you are outside what we can help with.
14:00<annadane>it would help if you slow down a bit and aren't so adversarial, that said, you can use aptitude to see why certain dependency issues exist and then do research as to how to resolve it all (in other words don't blindly type Y when aptitude asks you what to do)
14:00<discofrisco>i have tons of debian servers but for home pc's linux is entertaiment for me
14:01<discofrisco>apt can solve depencies
14:01<discofrisco>i got error only while trying to install winehq
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14:02<discofrisco>Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
14:02<discofrisco>0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
14:02<discofrisco>system is ok
14:02<discofrisco>1 not upgraded package is numix theme
14:03<discofrisco>i really dont know why aptitude cant solve problem
14:03<discofrisco>ls_release shows debian 10
14:03<discofrisco>so upgrading was according to the rules
14:03<jhutchins>discofrisco: It's because you've mixed releases and third party repos.
14:04<jhutchins>discofrisco: The only practical solution is a clean install.
14:04<discofrisco>but winehq also 3rd party pero
14:04<jhutchins>WHich makes the problem worse.
14:04<discofrisco>problem for me why apt cant solve the problem
14:04<annadane>i think winehq itself is possibly fine to add as a 3rd party repo, i may be wrong, but not necessarily specifically what you're trying to install
14:05<annadane>i'd have to look at it and do my research
14:06<discofrisco>wine is big and major problem
14:06<discofrisco>on other pc had issue with nvidia proprietary driver
14:06<discofrisco>3-4 years ago
14:06<jhutchins>Wine is totally unnecessary. Fine a linux solution for whatever you're trying to do.
14:07<discofrisco>i need scene packer
14:07<discofrisco>called cd-tag
14:07<jhutchins>Look at the task, not the tool.
14:07<discofrisco>and eac to exact wavs properly
14:08<discofrisco>linux is fine os
14:08<jhutchins>If you think you can only use windows tools then run windows.
14:08<discofrisco>and i like debian
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14:08<discofrisco>no im not windoze user
14:08<discofrisco>im using as i said debian as server os
14:09<discofrisco>and gentoo based Sabayon
14:09<annadane>i just feel you should slow down a second and stop trying to justify absolutely everything you're trying to do and let's take this one step at a time
14:10<annadane>the first thing i notice is multiple repos that shouldn't even be there, like unstable (testing is in a freeze and the packages are going to be mostly the same anyway and also you have "testing" in your sources list instead of "buster" right when buster is about to release so you're about to start running bullseye when that happens and not buster)
14:10<discofrisco>bebian 0 is testing
14:10<annadane>and that may not necessarily be the issue (it could be) but it means you're probably going down the wrong path to start with
14:10<annadane>debian 10 is testing NOW
14:10<discofrisco>so it cant be very stable
14:11<discofrisco>and this ssytem just a test
14:11<annadane>but when it becomes the new stable, having testing in your sources list means you'll be running debian 11
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14:12<annadane>now, you can clean install, or you can maybe post the output of aptitude install winehq-staging or whatever it was you were trying to install (don't press y, just see its output)
14:12<annadane>the solution could be very simple or very difficult or impossible, requiring a reinstall
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14:13<discofrisco>reinstall is very simple step to solve the problem
14:13<annadane>the other solution of course is to find a linux alternative to the windows programs you're trying to run
14:13<annadane>i don't know enough about your software to tell
14:14<annadane>but regardless please understand the difference between release names and codenames
14:14<annadane>debian 10, buster, is testing right now, but you really want, if you were just testing buster early and don't intend to constantly track testing, to use "buster" and not "testing"
14:15<annadane>which also requires getting rid of "unstable"
14:15<annadane>buster is going to release on july 6, which is soon
14:15<annadane>so i know i don't have specific answers but i want you to stop rushing everything and slow down before you hit more serious problems
14:16<discofrisco>im using buster, so all words in sources.list was replaced
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14:16<annadane>meaning what?
14:16<discofrisco>daily build of buster have inside sorces.list buster words
14:16<blast007>you have 'testing' and 'unstable' sources as well
14:17<discofrisco>i just wanna to tell what my sorces.list is not a criminal
14:17<discofrisco>whey was enabled when i had 9.9
14:18<discofrisco>ok, will wait off rel of 10
14:18<discofrisco>and make fresh install
14:19<annadane>it may or may not be depending on your system but the more 3rd party repos you have the more chance you have of running into issues
14:19<sqrt{not}>that fresh install will not include any winehq packages or wine-staging packages
14:19<annadane>it entirely depends what you install
14:19<annadane>some 3rd party stuff is ok and some specific things you can install but it very much depends
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14:20<annadane>let me just look at wine's website for a second because i assume this is purely wine's repo causing the issues and not the other repositories (but it's entirely possible)
14:20<discofrisco>i havent too much installed packages, so i was wonder
14:21<discofrisco>what aptitude cant fix problems
14:21<discofrisco>apt very powerful
14:21<annadane>i told you not to press y and that it's meant to be used as an investigation tool
14:21<annadane>i was suggesting you paste the output so we get a general idea of what's going on
14:22<annadane>you know that thing where it says something like "what will you do? y/n/etc"? leave that alone and just paste up to that point
14:22<annadane>the fact you're still acting like this indicates you're still trying to brute force your system instead of understanding what's going on
14:22<discofrisco>apt havent output of pressing y or n
14:22<annadane>apt doesn't, no, but aptitude would
14:23<annadane>because aptitude offers to solve dependencies for you
14:23<annadane>which is not always the best solution because it could end up removing half your system
14:23<annadane>it's a useful investigation tool but you shouldn't trust it blindly
14:24<annadane>i notice the wine website says "If apt complains about missing dependencies, install them, then repeat the last two steps (update and install)."
14:25<annadane>and it did say winehq-staging depends on wine-staging
14:25<annadane>("it"=the error message you initially posted)
14:25<annadane>i still think a clean install is probably best, but whatever
14:25<discofrisco>after adding winehq repo i got output as above
14:26<discofrisco>okay, lets close this discussion
14:26<annadane>the other thing is are you sure you need wine-staging and not the wine that comes with buster?
14:27<discofrisco>when im tried to insall it i put package version winsating=blahblah
14:28<annadane>one trick with installing packages sometimes that don't install due to dependency issues is just to go down the chain (and don't force things but just see why something doesn't work and where the weak link is) and see what does install, so, for example, you tried to install winehq-staging, it told you it depends on wine-staging, if you try to install wine-staging it may complain about something else; eventually you've
14:28<annadane>reached a point where you've narrowed it down
14:28<annadane>i think you said it's a new machine you're just testing out? if it's not too inconvenient for you i'd probably just reinstall and do things properly, but that's up to you
14:29<discofrisco>new install on new ssd
14:29<discofrisco>old ssd have ubuntu 14.04.5
14:29<discofrisco>amd machine
14:29<discofrisco>phenom x6 1090t
14:30<discofrisco>my main pc
14:30<discofrisco>cat /proc/pcuinfo: model name : AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor
14:30<annadane>if you add a repo from a website and that website says "just install such and such" and that doesn't work then i suspect bigger issues in the system
14:31<annadane>again, not that i recommend it, but wine may be ok, i've heard people say it's fine... but maybe just not specifically wine-staging
14:31<discofrisco>lets i comment all 3rd party repos
14:31<annadane>not that i recommend adding random repos, i meant
14:31<discofrisco>i havent installed apckages too much
14:31<annadane>that won't solve your issue because the packages you installed are still there and will still cause problems
14:32<annadane>here's my other issue with this:
14:33<discofrisco>only mdadm/mpd/audacity 2.2.1
14:33<discofrisco>ok i will try
14:33<annadane>install wine from winehq's website because the one in stable is too old and won't run games? fine. using a significantly newer wine (4 vs 1.8 or whatever that stretch has) in debian testing and still wanting to do this? less fine. having access to the newest upstream stable wine version from winehq and still wanting to install staging? why? what do you need that for?
14:33<discofrisco>i dont use pc's for gaming
14:34<annadane>well, or whatever software then
14:34<annadane>audacity 2.2.2 is in buster...
14:34<discofrisco>i wanted to untar previos backup with win32prefix
14:34<discofrisco>from old debian machine
14:35<discofrisco>when we russians have similar issues we telling: Shlyapa
14:35<discofrisco>Shlyapa = Hat
14:37<discofrisco>on off chan of winehq is sleepin hour
14:37<annadane>i think the simplest solution is probably just reinstall and use the wine version from buster and if that's not enough for your needs (audacity runs in linux, why do you need wine for it?) then see if the stable branch of wine works for you and if the dependencies check out or not
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14:37<annadane>and why do you even need a development version of wine anyway...
14:37<annadane>like i said winehq literally has the newest stable version
14:37<dpkg>ach rolled: 4
14:38<annadane>you're rushing things so severely and making so many assumptions
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14:38<discofrisco>backup from old machine runs on staging
14:38<discofrisco>so i dont want to mix
14:38<discofrisco>im using linux 365days
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14:39<annadane>what OS does your old machine run?
14:39<discofrisco>because i have few debian servers where installed glftpd
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14:39<discofrisco>debian 8.9
14:39<annadane>you do realize you can use command line tools to backup debian systems?
14:39<annadane>you don't need wine at all
14:40<discofrisco>i need wine to run Exaact Audio Copy
14:40<discofrisco>and CD-TAG
14:40<discofrisco>its scene tagger and apcker
14:40<annadane>well i don't know enough to comment on those softwares if there's alternatives or not
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14:41<annadane>but i'm pretty sure anything you "need" to run on staging, you can run using slightly older wine versions
14:41<discofrisco>i need just install winehq
14:41<discofrisco>no matter staging/devel/stable
14:42<discofrisco>old pc was used by kid
14:42<discofrisco>so install of winehq was as requerement step
14:42<discofrisco>to run win games on linux
14:42<blast007>discofrisco: have you verified that this software doesn't work with the 4.0 or 4.2 version of wine?
14:42<annadane>wine has stable, testing, and staging branches, from what i understand. IF wine stable can be installed in debian without issues, and i'm not sure if it can, then you can probably try wine stable. but only if you're sure the wine version in debian 10 or 8.9 or whatever that comes in debian's repository doesn't do the job
14:43<discofrisco>i guess it will works
14:43<annadane>unfortunately jessie-backports is discontinued so you can't just backport it in debian 8.9
14:43<annadane>and backports obviously don't exist for 10
14:43<discofrisco>ok lets try to isntall wine from official repos of debian 10
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14:44<annadane>you also said this was to backup a debian 8.9 system so now i'm wondering if we're talking about wine versions available in 8.9
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14:44<discofrisco>backup from debian 8
14:45<annadane>right, so in that case if you need a newer wine than is available in the debian 8 repository i might try wine stable...
14:45<discofrisco>~/wine32 was packed in tar
14:45<annadane>but don't install wine from debian 10 on debian 8!
14:45<discofrisco>and need to be palced on this pc
14:45<discofrisco>but problem with intsalling winehq
14:46<annadane>but do you understand what i've been saying? i may not have explicit solutions but i hope you understand a bit more how to solve problems now and the dangers of getting into dependency hell
14:46<annadane>x piece of software depends on y depends on z and if you mix everything...
14:47<annadane>and the advantages of slowing down a bit and not rushing or brute forcing solutions if you don't understand what's going on
14:48<annadane>btw discofrisco, if you tell us why you need this or that software, the stuff you're trying to run with wine, we may be able to offer a linux solution that does the same thing
14:48<discofrisco>scene rules is above
14:49<discofrisco>i can pack flac rips only using ct-tag
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14:50<annadane>okay, so someone in here who knows more about this than i do can comment on what you need to do that and if they can't, go to a linux channel like ##linux on freenode and see if they know
14:50<annadane>there's a #linux on oftc but it only has 32 people
14:50<dboles>"the scene" has a lot of outdated and/or voodoo ideas about what is needed to rip a CD properly
14:50<discofrisco>flac is just archive format
14:51<dboles>yes, and EAC used to be the only CD ripper with decent error correction and support for drive offsets, but I'm not sure that's true in 2019
14:52<annadane>keep in mind, they're also talking about backing up a jessie system
14:52<annadane>so this is really 2015
14:53<discofrisco>there are a tons of servers where main daemon is glftpd
14:53<discofrisco>and eggdrop as announce bot
14:53<discofrisco>and mdadm as fake raid
14:53<discofrisco>why they need to do fresh install or update up to date?
14:54<discofrisco>if system works?
14:54<discofrisco>and servers uptime is 400 days?
14:55<discofrisco>[uptime] System: 190 days, 22:44, 2 user(s), load: 2.60, 3.85, 3.99 Eggdrop: 17w 1d 21h 20m 40s
14:55<discofrisco>debian powered!
14:56<annadane>by the same token why assume you need new features in order to do backups?
14:56<annadane>indeed, old software can often do the same thing as new software
14:56<discofrisco>because old pc is disasselbmed
14:57<discofrisco>and will sold by parts
14:58<discofrisco>uptime example is not my serv
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15:07<discofrisco>why u telling what buster-backports doesnt exist?
15:07<discofrisco>they exist
15:08<discofrisco>im guess some active people using debian for "chatting" here
15:09<bremner>discofrisco: just because the directory structure is there, doesn't mean there are any packages
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15:10<annadane>and, there are sloppy backports, which are packages taken from testing compiled for use in oldstable, but if jessie backports is discontinued at this point then that would be as well i'm assuming
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15:10<discofrisco>ah right
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15:17<discofrisco>.v wine
15:18<blast007>,v wine
15:18<judd>Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20; stretch: 1.8.7-2; sid: 3.0.4-1; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2; sid: 4.0-2
15:18<blast007>,v wine-development
15:18<judd>Package: wine-development on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; stretch: 2.0-3; sid: 3.7-1; sid: 3.10-1; buster: 4.2-4; sid: 4.2-4
15:18<discofrisco>ah , as trigger
15:18<discofrisco>i tried dot
15:18<discofrisco>so wine apckage from testing can be installed
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15:19<discofrisco>recommeds me to install
15:19<discofrisco>Рекомендуемые пакеты:
15:19<discofrisco> libasound2-plugins:i386
15:19<discofrisco>Следующие НОВЫЕ пакеты будут установлены:
15:19<discofrisco> fonts-wine gstreamer1.0-plugins-base:i386 libcapi20-3 libcdparanoia0:i386 libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0:i386
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15:21<annadane>well, dpkg installs recommends by default unless you tell it not to
15:21<annadane>in future,
15:21<annadane>!localized errors
15:21<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
15:21<discofrisco>LC_ALL an LANG
15:21<annadane>that said it's pretty clear the bottom text is "the following new packages will also be installed"
15:21<somiaj>annadane: s/dpkg/apt/
15:21<discofrisco>setted in first posts
15:21<somiaj>dpkg doesn't do any dependency resolution.
15:21<dpkg>somiaj: I don't know, could you explain it?
15:21<discofrisco>but term was closed
15:21<annadane>yeah yeah yeah yeah
15:22<annadane>captain pedantic over here :P
15:22<somiaj>discofrisco: 'so a wine package from testing could be installed', are you mixing debian release
15:22<annadane>they're using testing
15:22<somiaj>just making sure, because of all the talk about jessie and backports eariler.
15:23<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
15:23<discofrisco>after setting from off repos i guess i can try to replace off wine package to winehq
15:23<somiaj>also the wine packages from winehq have been decent in my testing if you want something newer than the versions in buster, but they aren't supported here.
15:23<discofrisco>im using linux long time
15:23<discofrisco>but wine annoing me
15:23<discofrisco>aech time
15:23<annadane>can we ascertain once and for all whether winehq in general is a safe repo to add, i thought so but...
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15:23<discofrisco>when im tring to install it
15:23<annadane>i'm 95% sure it is
15:24<annadane>not for wine-staging but like, the stable branch
15:24<jhutchins>somiaj: He posted his sources earlier, it's a really bad frankendebian. dotdeb, dmm, sid...
15:24<discofrisco>dotdeb is commected
15:24<discofrisco>never used it
15:25<discofrisco>only to do sudo apt download
15:25<discofrisco>some packages
15:25<discofrisco>theme modifier
15:25<annadane>packages from where, i don't know what dotdeb is
15:25<annadane>if it's just from the debian repository that's what deb-src is for
15:25<discofrisco>provide night build of deadbeef
15:26<discofrisco>but it can be downloaded from sorceforge
15:26<discofrisco>as zip
15:26<jhutchins>annadane: Dotdeb is a risky repo for something like newer php.
15:26<discofrisco>and mysql also
15:27<discofrisco>and they offer mysql packages for old distros
15:27<discofrisco>my main tools on servers are glftpd/eggdrop/tcl/mysql/php
15:27<jhutchins>They often break things
15:27<annadane>yeah, well, just make sure you can't do what you want using packages that are *already* in debian
15:28<annadane>especially if you're using buster early which has more stuff anyway
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15:28<discofrisco>no DE
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15:28<discofrisco>only console
15:28<jhutchins>Yeah, this is a "server".
15:28<discofrisco>tmux and screen
15:28<discofrisco>only home pcs have DE
15:29<discofrisco>i3 as fav
15:29<annadane>debian will cover 99% of what the average user wants to do and *only* if not should they consider other solutions
15:29<discofrisco>and xfce
15:29<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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15:30<annadane>even wine, i'm highly considering just using buster's even if adding from winehq is perfectly fine (when buster releases) purely because 4 is so much greater than stretch's relative to other old software
15:30<annadane>my needs aren't great
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15:31<annadane>but anyway
15:31<discofrisco>ok, useful moments extracted and i never will use mixed repos
15:31<annadane>(and no, backports conflict with my nvidia so i can't just use that)
15:32<annadane>i think i tracked down the dependencies and it involves updating systemd to 241
15:32<discofrisco>its just affects of very sunny and heat weather
15:33<annadane>actually i'll just mention one more thing, while backports are the official debian sanctioned way to get new software... don't rely on it for everything
15:33<annadane>it's really better if you use them selectively
15:33<annadane>not that buster will have backports for a while, but just saying
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15:37<annadane>especially if you need to update other packages like systemd in order to even use them :P
15:37<jhutchins>discofrisco: One of the problems you run into mixing repos is exactly what you've found: you get an un-resolvable dependency, and the tangled dependency means that if you try selectively backing out the non-standard packages the chains get worse.
15:38<discofrisco>wine: created the configuration directory '/home/bmwmpower/.wine32'
15:38<discofrisco>from off repos
15:39<discofrisco>but winehq stil get me error
15:39<annadane>the home user is their own system administrator so it behooves them to actually read output and understand what's going on and not just grasp at straws
15:39<discofrisco>so i will use of package
15:39<discofrisco>*of - official
15:40<discofrisco>its now im home user
15:40<discofrisco>in monday i will sysop
15:40<discofrisco>when come to job
15:41<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
15:41<somiaj>try to talk in more complete sentences and thoughts.
15:41<annadane>one reason i like debian a lot and i'm sure a lot of people is because maintenance is so easy and the defaults are sane
15:41<annadane>so forcing everything is the opposite direction of where you want to go
15:41<discofrisco>i like debian too
15:42<discofrisco>thx to all for helping wine from official repos is better than noting from winehq repos
15:43<jhutchins>Yeah, you can just rely on it to be a workhorse computer you don't have to constantly tinker with.
15:43<annadane>yeah because you're using testing when things are still relatively new :P
15:43<jhutchins>You can play with things if that's what you're into, but if your computer you use to get work done, debian is great.
15:43<annadane>which after freeze it's quite legitimate to switch to testing early, it just depends what the user needs
15:44<jhutchins>If you want to play with new pre-version-1 software it's probably not the best platform.
15:44<annadane>waiting has its advantages, so does not waiting, just depends
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15:46<discofrisco>i can play with testing distro only at home, but not in production environment
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15:48<discofrisco>some admins prefer red hat (rpm) based distros but we prefer debian! bunch of servers on freebsd also....
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17:23<anubis>anyone connected
17:23<somiaj>anubis: this is a support channel, as such most will idel unless an actual suport question is asked.
17:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
17:24<somiaj>If you wish to chat, this is not the appropriate channel.
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17:24<KillJoyFX>Hello. I seem to have run into an issue with my sound that I believe to actually be a general linux issue over a Debian-specific problem, but the system is Debian9, and so here I am. On the commandline, I can run alsamixer and select my sound card, I can modify settings, but nothing I do produces any sound. Not from the command line or from within a running X/OpenBox session.
17:24<somiaj>KillJoyFX: do you have pulseaudio installed?
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17:25<somiaj>KillJoyFX: do you see it running if you run 'ps fax | grep pulse'
17:27<KillJoyFX>somiaj, yes and it's running
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17:28<somiaj>KillJoyFX: install and use pavucontrol then
17:28<somiaj>pulse has grabed your sound card and is now in charge of settings.
17:30<KillJoyFX>somiaj: It's installed, and it only shows an audio device of "Dummy Output", my sound card isn't listed under the Output Devices tab.
17:30<somiaj>KillJoyFX: cat /proc/asound cards (do you see the card there?)
17:31<KillJoyFX>somiaj: Yeah, I see it listed under /proc/asound/cards
17:32<somiaj>do you have something like tmidity installed/running. Maybe something grabed your sound card before pulse, and thus pulse was not allowed to grab it
17:32<somiaj>you could possibly use lsof to find out which process has your sound card open.
17:32<KillJoyFX>ok, checking
17:33<KillJoyFX>what would the device name be for lsof to check?
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17:34<somiaj>like /dev/snd or whatever the device for your soundcard is
17:34<discofrisco>check aplay -l
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17:35<somiaj>discofrisco: doesnt that just so similiar (But more detailed) info as /proc/asound/cards?
17:35<somiaj>in this case it appears the issue is pulse is not able to grab the sound card.
17:35<discofrisco>i guess he dont know ids
17:36<discofrisco>my dac connected switches ids
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17:36<discofrisco>from 1 to 0
17:36<discofrisco>also he should check exist of asoundrc
17:36<discofrisco>inside ~/
17:37<KillJoyFX>somiaj: tmidity isn't installed, pulse has the card ->
17:38<KillJoyFX>discofrisco, checking your suggestion now
17:38<somiaj>KillJoyFX: maybe you are just looking in the wrong place, I think pulse calls the outputs sinks.
17:38<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: don't have a ~/.asoundrc
17:40<somiaj>KillJoyFX: get any output from pacmd list-sinks
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17:43<somiaj>hmm, I don't know why pulseaudio is not able to assign a sink to your card.
17:44<discofrisco>KillJoyFX, do you tried to kill pulseaudio?
17:44<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: not yet, but I will restart it now
17:44<discofrisco>pulseaudio -k?
17:44<discofrisco>and try to run it in -v
17:45<KillJoyFX>user or root?
17:45<discofrisco>from user
17:45<discofrisco>did you modify daemon.conf?
17:45<discofrisco>or anything by default?
17:46<discofrisco>do pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio -v
17:46<discofrisco>to prevent autorestart
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17:47<discofrisco>audio codec built-in in mobo?
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17:48<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: audio is HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
17:48<KillJoyFX>It's a laptop, sound works if I boot a livecd, so I know this is a configuration error somewhere.
17:49<KillJoyFX>pulse restarted w/ -v
17:50<discofrisco>try to restart
17:50<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: I see pulse loading "Dummy Audio", it says nothing about touching or taking control of my card
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17:51<discofrisco>check also ~/.config/pulse
17:52<discofrisco>be careful any file/dir name started with dot is hide directory
17:53<KillJoyFX>what exactly am I looking for under ~/.config/pulse/?
17:54<discofrisco>your user in grp audio?
17:54<KillJoyFX>Yes it is.
17:55<discofrisco>try to logout
17:55<discofrisco>and login again
17:55<discofrisco>clean this dir ~/.config/pulse
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17:56<KillJoyFX>okay, back in a few
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17:58<discofrisco>KillJoyFX, any luck?
18:00<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: stopped X entirely and restarted it. still no luck
18:00<KillJoyFX>I also moved the ~/.config/pulse dir out of ~/.config while X was stopped.
18:01<discofrisco>you dont need to wipe whole config dir
18:01<discofrisco>only pulse
18:01<discofrisco>all files inside pulse
18:01<blast007>that's what they did. they moved the pulse directory.
18:02<KillJoyFX>I didn't wipe whole .config dir, just moved ~/.config/pulse elsewhere
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18:02<discofrisco>do lsmod | grep snd
18:02<blast007>KillJoyFX: tried from a different user account? that'd narrow down if it's a user specific issue or a system-wide issue
18:03<discofrisco>check also
18:04<discofrisco>do you use pure debian distro?
18:04<KillJoyFX>I see my sound modules from lsmod.
18:05<KillJoyFX>blast007: I can try that, give me a few
18:05<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: looking now
18:05<discofrisco>do you use pure debian distro?
18:05<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: yes
18:05<KillJoyFX>pure deb
18:06<KillJoyFX>~/.config/autostart only has docky.desktop and megasync.desktop
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18:06<discofrisco>check your .bashrc
18:06<discofrisco>and similar files
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18:07<discofrisco>kill X
18:07<discofrisco>lightdm ?
18:08<discofrisco>login as root
18:08<discofrisco>login as root
18:08<blast007>no, don't login as root
18:08<discofrisco>login as root
18:08<KillJoyFX>nothing in ~/.bashrc related to sound
18:08<blast007>I don't even know if that's allowed anymore
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18:08<KillJoyFX>I can login on console as root, I don't think I can via X/<any>dm
18:08<discofrisco>you should check playback devices via speaker-test
18:08<discofrisco>i think your user not in group audio
18:09<KillJoyFX>I hear nothing when speaker-test is run
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18:09<jhutchins>!alsa checklist
18:09<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
18:09<jhutchins>You should never log in to X or run graphical programs as root.
18:10<jhutchins>There are wrappers that make it safer to run system configuration guis.
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18:10<discofrisco>i told hit what he need to run speaker-test as root
18:10<blast007>you don't though
18:10<jhutchins>discofrisco: Ah, I see you told him to do that in a console.
18:10<discofrisco>i guees his user not in audio group
18:11<discofrisco>i told him to kill X session
18:11<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: my user is in audio group, always has been. This worked before and then stopped about a month ago, I spent a month trying to diagnose and solve this problem on my own first.
18:12<discofrisco>do cat /proc/asound/card*/pcm0p/info
18:12<discofrisco>card* should be replaced by dev id
18:13<jhutchins>The checklist from dpkg is a good, methodical approach, but it doesn't mention that you need to log out and log back in to activate the new group.
18:14<KillJoyFX>^ I did that anyway
18:15<discofrisco>amixer scontrols
18:15<discofrisco>run in term
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18:16<discofrisco>jhutchins, i wanted to told him check sound via speaker-test via root axx in terminal
18:16<discofrisco>with killed X
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18:18<discofrisco>amixer -c <id> set Master 100%
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18:18<discofrisco><id> should be replaced
18:19<discofrisco>give output of aplay -l and aplay -L
18:19<blast007>discofrisco: did you see the part where they only have a Dummy Output device in pulseaudio? this isn't a volume level issue
18:19<KillJoyFX>speaker-test *IS* communicating with Pulse, I see it talking in pulse's verbose output.
18:19<discofrisco>i dont know his machine
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18:19<blast007>speaker-test is from alsa-utils
18:20<discofrisco>and its very strange
18:20<discofrisco>we need to check he have sound or not
18:20<discofrisco>and we dont know is issue of alsa or pulseaudio
18:20<discofrisco>maybe he have installed JACK also
18:21<KillJoyFX>I don't think I installed jack
18:21<discofrisco>give output of aplay -l and aplay -L
18:21<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: if I reboot into a LiveCD, sound works just fine, this *IS* a configuration issue somewhere. I am almost positive of that, I just can't figure it out.
18:21<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: sec
18:22<discofrisco>LiveCD is clean environment
18:22<jhutchins>discofrisco: Having had to troubleshoot sound for many people over the years, the procedure in the alsa checklist factoid is the best way to start. Alsa has to be working for pulseaudio to work, so that's the place to start.
18:22<discofrisco>working system not
18:24<discofrisco>i think its hw problem not sw
18:24<discofrisco>conexant chip
18:25<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: if I reboot into a LiveCD, sound works just fine
18:25<discofrisco>ok, go to /etc/pulse
18:25<jmcnaught>If pulseaudio only shows a dummy output then pulseaudio is not getting access to the soundcard. Either it's a permission issue, or another process is using it
18:25<discofrisco>and look daemon.conf
18:26<discofrisco>jmcnaught, i think too
18:26<discofrisco>audio group
18:26<KillJoyFX>jmcnaught: lsof says that pulse has control
18:26<jmcnaught>KillJoyFX: did lsof show that pulseaudio for your user had /dev/snd/pcm* open?
18:27<KillJoyFX>jmcnaught: let me double check
18:27<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: what am I looking for in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf?
18:28<discofrisco>somethin like this ls daemon.conf.dpkg-old
18:28<discofrisco>ls daemon.conf.dpkg-old
18:29<discofrisco>did you change any thing inside daemon.conf?
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18:30<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: it's factory default conf, never touched it (in fact, I never knew it existed till now).
18:31<KillJoyFX>jmcnaught: I get nothing from lsof now.
18:32<discofrisco>open terminal and make sure what u logon inside working user and do sudo adduser $USER
18:33<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: huh?
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18:33<discofrisco>sudo adduser $USER audio
18:34<KillJoyFX>xaero : xaero cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner
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18:34<discofrisco>typing from smartphone
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18:34<KillJoyFX>^ the same list of groups that have been in place since I installed this system
18:34<jmcnaught>KillJoyFX: does "loginctl" list more than one session? Also what TTY does it say your user's session is on?
18:34<KillJoyFX>i.e. my user has been a member of these groups since the day of installation, and they've never changed.
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18:37<discofrisco>wait wait wait
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18:37<discofrisco>stop stop stop
18:37<jmcnaught>KillJoyFX: heh that's a lot of sessions
18:37<discofrisco>u told what your user xaero
18:37<KillJoyFX>jmcnaught: I multitask a lot lol
18:37<discofrisco>but why pulseaudi 910 muroard 15u CHR 116,2 0t0 9756 /dev/snd/by-path/../controlC0
18:38<discofrisco>here samone murorad
18:38<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: huh?
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18:38<discofrisco>who is muroard?
18:38<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: nfi
18:38<discofrisco>im thinking you fun bot
18:38<discofrisco>kill joy fx
18:38<KillJoyFX>Nope, real as they come
18:38<jmcnaught>KillJoyFX: can you make a paste of "loginctl session-status 17" and also for 21?
18:39<discofrisco>xaero != muroard
18:39<discofrisco>if you login as xaero
18:39<discofrisco>why muroard uses snd ?
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18:40<KillJoyFX>where are you seeing muroard using sound? what paste showed that?
18:40<KillJoyFX>I missed that
18:40<KillJoyFX>that user doesn't exist on my system (that I know of)
18:40<KillJoyFX>jmcnaught: sec
18:40<discofrisco>my user is bmwmpower┌─[bmwmpower]──[darkstar]:~$
18:40<discofrisco>└──>>lsof /dev/snd/by-path/pci-0000\:00\:14.2
18:40<discofrisco>pulseaudi 1056 bmwmpower 17u CHR 116,16 0t0 19375 /dev/snd/by-path/../controlC0
18:40<discofrisco>pulseaudi 1056 bmwmpower 24u CHR 116,16 0t0 19375 /dev/snd/by-path/../controlC0
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18:41<discofrisco>KillJoyFX, your device is using by another account
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18:42<jmcnaught>muroard seems to be a sound daemon of some sort, muroard is probably a the system user for the daemon
18:42<jmcnaught>check "systemctl status muroard"
18:42<discofrisco>should be current user
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18:43<KillJoyFX> <-- session-status 17
18:43<KillJoyFX> <-- session-status 21
18:44<KillJoyFX> <-- sudo systemctl status murard
18:44<discofrisco>sudo systemctl stop muroard
18:44<discofrisco>sudo systemctl disable muroard
18:45<discofrisco>try to mix sotheming in ardour
18:46<KillJoyFX>I don't remember installing it, it must have been pulled in with something and I didn't catch it.
18:46<jmcnaught>"aptitude why muroard"
18:46<discofrisco>it can be installed as depency
18:46<KillJoyFX>that's my thought
18:46<KillJoyFX>stopped and disabled for now
18:46<discofrisco>restart now
18:47<KillJoyFX> <-- aptitude why muroard
18:47<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: whole system or just X/DM?
18:47<KillJoyFX>Or just pulseaudio ?
18:47<discofrisco>u can try logout and login
18:48<discofrisco>but try to restart whle system
18:48<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: I don't think that's necessary, pavucontrol shows my audio card now
18:49<discofrisco>check each time packages
18:49<discofrisco>which should be as depencies for installing packages
18:50<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: I usually do check, very throughly, like I said, I missed this one.
18:51<KillJoyFX>I need to go let the dogs out, bbiaf
18:57<KillJoyFX>reboot wasn't necessary, did a paulseaudio -k, and then unmuted the master channel via alsamixer. I've got a youtube video playing now and I can hear it just fine.
18:58<KillJoyFX>discofrisco, jmcnaught thank you both for your help. I have litterly been at this for over a month trying to figure it out.
19:02<discofrisco>KillJoyFX, glad to help
19:04<discofrisco>previously they loudly laughed here when i had problem
19:04<discofrisco>i told me whata my sources.list is frankstein
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19:05<somiaj>oh good, glad you tracked downt he issue
19:05<discofrisco>*i = and
19:05<discofrisco>somiaj, he now continue mixing
19:06<discofrisco>i guess he is into dj'ing
19:06<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: not really, but one of my employee's is.
19:06<discofrisco>im vinyl ripper
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19:06<discofrisco>doing DSD from analog
19:06<somiaj>yea, I don't like that all these cheap cards don't have hardware mixing. I used an sblive from 1999 for nearly 20 years because of hardware mixing
19:07<KillJoyFX>somiaj: thank you as well.
19:07<KillJoyFX>I miss my SB!Live card, that thing was amazing.
19:07<discofrisco>PCI ?
19:08<KillJoyFX>I miss my desktop too, but that's an inert hunk on the floor right now.
19:08<KillJoyFX>discofrisco: yeah, they were full-riser PCI cards.
19:09<discofrisco>using Lynx Hilo
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19:09<discofrisco>Tascam DA-3000 as DAC to capture sound from analog sources
19:09<KillJoyFX>would it be safe now to remove muroard? To the best of my knowledge, it's unnecessary.
19:09<discofrisco>R2R, turntable
19:10<discofrisco>JACK only if capture sound via pc
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22:42<mendelmunkis>How can I tell apt to search for -doc?
22:43<blast007>apt search -- -doc
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23:46<dpkg>hello, ach
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---Logclosed Sun Jun 16 00:00:16 2019