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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-06-19

---Logopened Wed Jun 19 00:00:31 2019
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00:04-!-dboehmer_ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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00:19-!-illwieckz_ is "Thomas Debesse" on #debian #debianfr #oolite #oolite-dev
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00:22-!-cpaelzer is "Christian Ehrhardt" on #virt #debian-qemu #debian
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00:29-!-PityDaFool is "Eddie J Carswell II" on #debian
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00:49-!-SkarmoutsosV is "Vangelis Skarmoutsos" on #debian-i18n #debian-next #debian
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01:04-!-Javi is "Javier" on #debian #debian-es
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01:12-!-czesmir_ is "Stefan" on #debian-next #debian
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01:20-!-bittin_ is "Luna Jernberg" on #debian
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01:22-!-_Corin_ is "realname" on #debian
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01:25-!-mattcen is "Matthew Cengia" on #debian-au #debian
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01:48-!-handsome_feng is "Li Jianfeng" on #debian-ubuntu #debian-zh #debian
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01:54-!-Haudegen is "AP,,," on #security #debian-next #debian.or.at #debian
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02:08-!-^Q-Master^ is "Vladimir Berezenko" on #debian #debian-next
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02:39<larjona>hi all
02:39<bittin_>hi
02:39<larjona>pardon my question should go to debian-next, is about buster :-)
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04:01<mendelmunkis>whatts a good way to bulk rename files based on the output of file?
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04:39-!-bodiccea is "bodiccea" on #oftc #debian-next #debian #bash #kernelnewbies
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06:56<neitzel>mendelmunkis: unfortunately, file(1) doesn't have a "suggested suffix" feature. I'd compile my own mapping tool by...
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07:02<neitzel>(1) collecting the types you have actually at hand:
07:02<neitzel>find . -type f | xargs file | sort -t: -k2 > mytypes
07:03<neitzel>check that for correctness/problems,
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07:06<neitzel>and turn it into an awk script, using ienough of file(1) result from the right as a pattern on the left, and a corresponding suffix-print action. For example, your can turn all your mytytpes lines
07:06<neitzel>foo: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 128 kbps, 44.1 kHz, JntStereo
07:07<neitzel>bar: MPEG ADTS, layer III, v1, 128 kbps, 44.1 kHz, JntStereo
07:07<neitzel>into:
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07:07<neitzel> /ADTS, layer III/ { print ".mp3" }
07:08<neitzel>one line for all those. There may be unfortunate cases in your data set such as:
07:09<neitzel>./gani-2.6.10t6/gem.c: C source, ASCII text
07:09<neitzel>./gani-2.6.10t6/gem.h: C source, ASCII text
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07:09<neitzel>That's why a manual review is a good idea.
07:10<drzacek>Hello there
07:10<tarzeau>file already has --extension but it'll need some improvement i guess
07:10<drzacek>linux kernel offers a bindeb-pkg make target
07:10<drzacek>Is there a way to manipulate the .deb package in some way?
07:11<drzacek>aka, if I found a bug and recompiled, to update changelog and version of the package?
07:11<neitzel>When you have your mapping table = awk script, you can do another find(2) run, and feed that into a while-read-mv-`awk...`-loop.\
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07:13<neitzel>tarzeau: "--extension" cool, i looked for something like that. my debian-7 / -8 file(1)s don't have that.
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07:16<tarzeau>ouch, but file is so easy to backport yourself
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07:29<neitzel>found an "--extensioned" file(1) on a ubuntu-18/buster box. A test looks... disappointing:
07:29<neitzel>https://www.gaertner.de/~neitzel/tmp/file.txt
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07:39<tarzeau>neitzel: yeah :)
07:39<tarzeau>neitzel: file a pr on it fixing them: https://github.com/file/file
07:40<tarzeau>if you do some, i'll do some more. upstream is pretty fast applying the prs, and releases are regular too
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07:43<neitzel>it'd better if drzacek filed a PR with whoever gave him those files :-)
07:44<neitzel>+be
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07:56<ramfs_stretchS>not sure how i found out about `file` before stat .. :)
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08:14<tarzeau>abrotman!!!
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08:57<ramfs_stretchS>RO
08:58<ramfs_stretchS>test
08:58<ramfs_stretchS>sorry for accidental message
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09:17<damianastefanelli>!list
09:17<dpkg>damianastefanelli: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
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10:34<judd>Package: polari on amd64 -- jessie: 3.14.1-1; stretch: 3.22.2-1; buster: 3.30.2-1; sid: 3.30.2-1; experimental: 3.32.0-1
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10:39<somiaj>RJD1: you can /msg judd v polari in the future if you just need that info for yourself.
10:41<EmleyMoor>I can never work out in my mind who judd is named after
10:42<annadane>there's a judd in the archie comics, but i don't know if that's what it's named after
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10:42<thsnr>http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/#about
10:42<EmleyMoor>I keep thinking one of these three: Judd Casper from "A Kestrel for a Knave" (Barry Hines), Edward Judd or Lesley Judd
10:43<EmleyMoor>Ah, it's named after a plugin
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10:47<grove>But why is that plugin named judd?
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10:48<annadane>"The name judd came from the first and most used plugin that is running in this bot. The plugin was called Judd as it is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database for providing package and bug tracking information."
10:48<annadane>there the j comes from, i don't know
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10:53<lsjet>I found a weird issue on my Debian box the other day: changing /bin/sh symlink to bash instead of dash (done while working on LFS) seems to prevent starting of X without a display manager. startx normally works fine when no display manager is present and xinit is suid, but if bash is used in the symlink instead of dash, it fails. Also, the user's current shell has no bearing on the result.
10:54<ksk>lsjet: a users shell is defined via etc/passwd - and most likely not set to sh. No idea about the X-foo though.
10:55<lsjet>ksk, yes I know. I just thought I'd mention that it didn't have anything to do with the user's shell.
10:56<lsjet>I would not have guessed replacing dash with bash would break stuff though.
10:56<ksk>I agree, it should not.
10:58<lsjet>I haven't dug into it any deeper to find the cause, since the switch is only needed while building LFS, so it's an annoyance at best.
10:58<lsjet>still it is interesting
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11:25<ramfs_stretchS>is it possible for irssi or channel administration to type messages from my account?
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11:27<ramfs_stretchS>for a more debian related question: how can I check previous kernel img changes?
11:29<somiaj>changelogs list main changes, but not everything, /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.gz there is also a changelog.Debian.gz for debian specific changes.
11:29<EmleyMoor>ramfs_stretchS: No, only you can type messages... are you experiencing something oddL
11:29<EmleyMoor>?
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11:30<ramfs_stretchS>is it managed by apt? somiaj? EmleyMoor: i'm pretty sure I didn't type 'RO' a few hours ago
11:30<EmleyMoor>ramfs_stretchS: What makes you think something did?
11:31<EmleyMoor>(where was it typed? how few hours?{
11:31<EmleyMoor>)
11:32<ramfs_stretchS>here in #debian EmleyMoor ...
11:32<ramfs_stretchS>i was afk, and suddenly the message was there
11:32<ramfs_stretchS>so i did, and am performing a security check up
11:32<EmleyMoor>So, at some unknown time, it appears to you that your connection typed 'RO'?
11:33<jhutchins_wk>ramfs_stretchS: Do you have a cat?
11:33<ramfs_stretchS>lol
11:33<ramfs_stretchS>i do, but... usually my cursor isn't on typeables when she walks by
11:35<ramfs_stretchS>well, i saw a few too many connections from netstat so i rebooted and re-firewalled
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11:37<lsjet>ramfs_stretchS>, maybe the cat has learned to use the mouse
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11:44<ramfs_stretchS>thanks somiaj, i was also looking for history of updates of a package on my system, found it at /var/log/apt/history*
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11:54<administrator>yo everyone
11:54<administrator>is it a good channel to ask some questions about package installation issues?
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11:55<RJD1>if those packages are for debian, yes
11:55<administrator>yes and no :D
11:55<administrator>i have an .rpm package meant for CentOS
11:56<administrator>i learned that i can convert it to .deb using Alien
11:56<administrator>so I did
11:56<RJD1>converting the format of the package won't change the differences between the base systems, dependancies, etc... so probably not a good idea
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11:57<simonpatapon>i wonder why you dont compile what you need in that case
11:57<simonpatapon>what is it administrator
11:58<administrator>It's Ksenos DVR
11:58<administrator>possible to be found on it's official website
11:58<administrator>it's proprietary software
11:59<simonpatapon>give a try to zoneminder
11:59<administrator>I have heard about that zoeminder
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11:59<administrator>but It's not meant to be used by me
12:00<administrator>so it's not my choice
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12:49<at0m>testing the bot.. #846400
12:49<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/846400 in usbguard (open): «usbguard: Missing init script for systems without systemd»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-11-30; last modified: 2018-08-12.
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13:33<somiaj>ramfs_stretchS: what do you mean by type RO, you mean your filesystem is being mounted read only. This is most likely not a change in the kernel, but either a change in your mounting configuration or if your file system is not clean and fsck can't fix it while mounted, it leaves the filesystem in read only mode for saftey.
13:34<somiaj>ramfs_stretchS: hence, what you are looking for will not be in the kernel changelog, since it isn't a change in the kernel, kernel and init systems have had this behavior for years.
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13:48<RJD1>somiaj: I think he meant 'typed' as in 'pressed on the keyboard', they mentioned having sent the message 'RO' in this channel
13:49<ramfs_stretchS>i just imagined my roommate was playing a prank on me, and my system was insecure
13:50<ramfs_stretchS>indeed i meant 'typed in chat'
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14:02<somiaj>ahh okay, was sure how that related to the kernel.
14:02<somiaj>all the changelogs are in /usr/share/doc/packagename (though maybe you were looking at the meta package and not the actual kernel)
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14:05<jhutchins_wk>By the time changelogs trickle down to .deb files they're usually pretty useless.
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14:08<somiaj>might depend on the matainer/package, but many the changelog is the offical upstream one and the debian one too
14:08<somiaj>though they only summarize major changes, not all the minor changes you would get by looking at say git commits
14:09<mojikun>nicd subject
14:09<ramfs_stretchS>i was looking to check its authenticity, i think an apt update does that?
14:09<mojikun>always wondered whats up with those debian kernel patches, and why not vanilla source isn't good enough
14:09<somiaj>!debsums
14:09<dpkg>debsums is a utility that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will instruct it to also check configuration files: "apt install debsums; debsums -a -s". Almost all packages come with md5sums included in the package or apt will have generated them for you; generate missing ones with "apt-get install --reinstall `debsums -l`". Ask me about <md5sums>.
14:09<somiaj>ramfs_stretchS: maybe that ^^
14:10<mojikun>does debsum run by default when you install something with apt?
14:10<somiaj>no
14:10<mojikun>what
14:10<somiaj>apt has integerity checks for the .deb, which is usually enough
14:11<mojikun>oh
14:11<somiaj>but it dosen't check that the files once unpacked have been corrupted due to say a bad file system
14:12<mojikun>yeah i understand
14:12<mojikun>also if i want to backup the whole system, in case of corrupts, or dying hard disk. should i use tar, rsync, dar, or what?
14:13<mojikun>what is advised
14:13<sarnold>focus on your data first
14:13<somiaj>use case matters a lot, there is no single best backup system. You need to consider what data you want to backup, and how you want to recover.
14:14<sarnold>debs are available on the mirrors, I don't see much point in working on that. but your data isn't on the mirrors, right? :)
14:14<somiaj>For example, you may find a reinstall easier than backuping up the whole system, this way you only need to keep actual data
14:14<somiaj>then use something like this
14:14<somiaj>!aptitude clone
14:14<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
14:14<somiaj>that can keep a backuped list of your packages that you can use to recover a bit quicker
14:15<mojikun>somiaj, i want to backup everything, so i don't have to reinstall and setup the system again. i think this is done automatically with zfs/btrfs (a snapshot) but i use ext4. so i need manual total system backup, and i am thinking of using tar, to make a tarball of the whole filesystem
14:15<mojikun>(in a livecd so its not running)
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14:16<somiaj>tar works, so does cp -a or rsync -a and have a mirrored filesystem basically
14:16<somiaj>in this case recovery requires copying the data back, and then making the system bootable again.
14:16<mojikun>yes i know
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14:16<mojikun>usually just running grub-install
14:17<mojikun>everything else will work out of the box
14:17<mojikun>(inside chroot)
14:17<somiaj>you might want to also make more regular backups of your data (maybe $HOME, possibliy some of /etc or some of /var) in addition to this, since you may not want to boot into a live system and backup as regurally as a script could backup for you.
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14:20<mojikun>somiaj, yeah some people say i can mount -r bind the whole system
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14:20<mojikun>and then tar it while its running
14:21<mojikun>but wont the files be changing? i think a livecd while the drive is inactive is better
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14:24<jhutchins_wk>mojikun: you might look into a wrapper like rdiff backup.
14:24<jhutchins_wk>mojikun: File restores are easy with it, I've never done a full-system restore.
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14:24<jhutchins_wk>mojikun: Clonezilla also has some useful tools for image backups.
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14:25<bremner>if you have lvm (a default option) then you can do snapshots with that
14:25<jhutchins_wk>mojikun: Yes, trying to backup a live system requires careful filtering to avoid pseudo-files.
14:26<somiaj>mojikun: I think you can remount the system as read-only, then do the backup. But this could have issues with running process and loose log data
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14:28<mojikun>bremner, didnt use lvm unfortunately. i used straight ext4, because i wanted maximum performance
14:28<mojikun>otherwise i generally prefer something like zfs/btrfs . but for desktops ext4
14:29<mojikun>does lvm influence performance if it has ext4 on top?
14:29<mojikun>extra overhead?
14:29<bremner>in theory
14:29<bremner>in practice, show me your benchmark
14:30<somiaj>might depend on the system, often it isn't the filesystem that is the bottleneck.
14:30<somiaj>well use case.
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14:30<mojikun>bremner, anyway i wouldnt keep snapshots on the same disk anyway
14:30<mojikun>because i am afraid of disk failure
14:30<mojikun>i abuse this ssd
14:30<mojikun>so it has to be kept on a seperate disk
14:31<bremner>lvm snapshots are transient
14:31<bremner>just to make a backup
14:32<mojikun>so i can copy them to another drive
14:33<mojikun>jhutchins_wk, no filtering required for pseudo-files if i just launch a livecd, and just mount the drive and tar it
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14:33<mojikun>all those wont be created in the mount
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14:36<mojikun>bremner, somiaj another thing i wonder. i want to buy an external hard disk to just keep all those backups on (mostly). should i get an hdd (spinning disks) or an ssd? I have read somewhere hdds are better for long term storage than ssd memory. and that ssd memory loses its data eventually if it isn't powered on frequently
14:36<mojikun>is this true?
14:39<somiaj>I am unsure on that. Note portable spinning disks are more fragil in other ways. A small bump/drop could take it out, where an ssd would live.
14:39<mojikun>yes thats true also
14:39<RJD1>depending on how often (if ever) you plan to overwrite this backup, although SSDs do wear leveling they still suffer from bit rot and decrementally lose writeable space after each write
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14:39<lsjet>get on eof each and let everyone know how it goes. ;)
14:40<lsjet>make sure to test restoration too, not just backing up. :p
14:41<mojikun>somiaj, RJD1 also is it a good idea to use btrfs/zfs on that external drive, so whatever i put into it is automatically mirrored?
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14:41<mojikun>in case of data corruption?
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14:41<RJD1>I htink it's more common to use RAID for realtime backup mirroring
14:41<mojikun>(although i am not sure how will i know if the mirroring is complete, normally you run those and it does it in the background)
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14:43<RJD1>in the case of a server they generally have hot-swappable RAID enclosures so if a disk fails you can replace it and continue RAID without a reboot
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14:44<RJD1>I suppose btrfs/zfs are solutions to "I don't want to buy a RAID controller"
14:45<RJD1>sacrificing write times for less parallelism
14:45<sarnold>raid controller's management interfaces for snapshots, compression, sending and receiving deltas, etc, are miserable
14:46<RJD1>yeah those features aren't what RAID is for, it's just for realtime mirroring, striping, parallelism, etc
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14:46<sarnold>zfs lets you add datasets, set quotas, change quotas, etc, without much hassle
14:47<RJD1>essentially if you just want to do those things, LVM/btrfs/zfs you can save the cost of a RAID controller for the cost of parralel writes
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14:47<jhutchins_wk>RJD1: RAID is not backup.
14:48<RJD1>indeed, that's pretty much what I'm saying
14:49<jhutchins_wk>I've actually seen more failed raid controllers than disks.
14:49<RJD1>in as much as a realtime mirrored disk is not a backup
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14:49<RJD1>if it's not offi-site, then it's burning down with your box
14:49<RJD1>*off
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14:50<sarnold>jhutchins_wk: hah, yes, I've heard more problems caused by raid controllers than saved by raid controllers
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14:51<jhutchins_wk>sarnold: We had an array go down because the disk that died was the one that had the array map on it.
14:52<sarnold>jhutchins_wk: *ouch*
14:53<RJD1>ahah dayum
14:54<lsjet>RAID is not for data protection - it is for uptime protection. Anyone using RAID to prevent data loss is doing it wrong.
14:54<jhutchins_wk>Also saw an array that lost the critical number of disks because there was no notification of the already bad disk(s).
14:54<jhutchins_wk>lsjet: Yup.
14:57<Talkless>Uhm, vim upgrade fails on ARM machine:
14:57<Talkless>https://paste.debian.net/1088540/
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14:58<Talkless>so.. vim-tiny has same file as vim-runtime?
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14:58<jhutchins_wk>Talkless: Stretch?
14:58<Talkless>jhutchins_wk: yep
14:59<jhutchins_wk>Talkless: Might want to ask in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net.
15:00<jhutchins_wk>Talkless: Sounds like a packaging problem.
15:00<Talkless>thanks jhutchins_wk
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16:03<ozzloy>latest kernel, logger works
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20:04<wylel>Will I need to reboot after updating DSA-4465?
20:09<sarnold>to get the SACK Panic fix, yes, but you can mitigate it via disabling SACK, and setting up firewall rulesets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SACKPanic
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20:17<wylel>Okay thank you
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21:11<anarcat>hello!
21:11<anarcat>anyone can help with secureboot here? :)
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21:13<zoredache>Where would I submit a bug for the 'mini.iso' image? http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/buster/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso Does that belong on debian-installer or something else?
21:15<zoredache>For some reason that seems to be dropping directly to a grub prompt instead of actually giving me a menu or booting the installer
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21:31<petn-randall>anarcat: Got it running here on buster.
21:32<petn-randall>So you said that `mokutil --sbstate` claims it is disabled?
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21:33<petn-randall>anarcat: linux-image-* are by default signed, there's also linux-image-*-unsigned for unsigned versions.
21:34<petn-randall>anarcat: Can you try running `mokutil --enable-validation`?
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21:38<petn-randall>If that doesn't work, I can check my setup in a few hours.
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21:41<anarcat>petn-randall: that works!!
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21:52<anarcat>petn-randall: what does that do anyways? how to pick that passphrase?
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22:04<anarcat>rah, and the manpage says "enroll-validation" not "enable-validation"
22:04<anarcat>wtf
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