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#debian IRC Logs for 2019-06-20

---Logopened Thu Jun 20 00:00:32 2019
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00:44<kts>I installed youtube-dl. Can I install youtube-dl backport along side with it.
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00:47<jm_>backport will overwrite it
00:48<kts>I should uninstall youtube-dl.
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01:06<annadane>kts, honestly don't even bother with either. just stick youtube-dl in /usr/local/ or something and update it once in a while
01:06<annadane>youtube-dl in backports does not get updated that often and things do break
01:07<annadane> /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/pip install --upgrade youtube-dl && cp /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/youtube-dl /usr/local/bin
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01:22<kts>How does it work?
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02:22<finn0>Is there a way to stop application(evolution, some other gnome components) from automatically start on reboot to save memory? Since, I never use these applications.
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02:34<grove>finn0: There must be, they don't start automatically here. If you tld us what DE you use, maybe someone could provide more specific pointers
02:37<jm_>does gnome perhaps have some sort of save session feature? maybe that causes it?
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02:38<ramfs_stretchS>is this not related to init.d or update-rc.d?
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02:51<jm_>ramfs_stretchS: unlikely
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05:17<admin2>whes
05:17<admin2>whes whes canne a peche
05:18<admin2>bien ou bien frer
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05:19<admin2>on se fait un uno avec un ptit join tranquille gros ,
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05:25<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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05:49<finn0>grove: Thanks for reply, but I'm looking for system-wide autostart folder where we place a ${application}.desktop which triggers application when GDM starts.
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05:54<Mightyking4546>I am not able to connect internet wireless in kali linux anyone can help me with this
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05:55<jm_>!kali
05:55<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
05:55<jm_>try asking there
05:56<Mightyking4546>No one is in kali limits
05:56<Mightyking4546>Linux*
05:56<jm_>it's on a different IRC server, not this one
05:57<Mightyking4546>So which server is it
05:57<jm_>it tells you #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net
05:57<Mightyking4546>Ok
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06:03<finn0>I'm getting this "debian kernel: [181758.614228] gnome-session-f[13371]: segfault at 0 ip 00007ff1f2b08e19 sp 00007ffc46cc7570 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.2200.11[7ff1f2826000+700000]" error message in my /var/log/systlog file when try to "Switch User". Should I file a bug report?
06:03<jm_>maybe first check if someone already reported it
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06:12<finn0>jm_: I found a bug report (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=850116) but that was due to SELinux which is not installed in my system.
06:12<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/850116 in gdm3 (open): «gdm3: gnome-session-f called from gdm3 SEGVs when run with SE Linux enforcing»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-01-04; last modified: 2017-01-22.
06:19<jm_>finn0: and other security modules are not active either?
06:19<finn0>jm_: how can I this one?
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06:21<jm_>finn0: https://wiki.debian.org/Security/Features lists them, i.e. apparmor smack
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06:22<finn0>jm_: I faced this error message many time and this will resolved by reboot.
06:23<jm_>finn0: that's pdd, well it certainly makes sense to report it, even better if installing debug packages yields more info
06:25<finn0>jm_: and this is not a consistent bug means I cannot reproduce this always. I have switched users many time before without gettings this error.
06:26<jm_>finn0: it does sound similar to the description in the bug you found where something fails or is denied and then it goes kaboom
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07:01<finn0>jm_: But to reproduce reported bug system must have installed SELinux which is not in my case.
07:02<finn0>jm_: Then should I file a new bug report or reply to that bug. What do you say about this?
07:02<jm_>finn0: yeah that's why I said it makes sense to submit a new bug, but maybe mention that it looks quite similar to the existing one
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07:02<finn0>jm_: thanks for the help.
07:04<jm_>no problem
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07:07<finn0>jm_: reportbug program is asking for a MTA. Which one is better Exim, Postfix or SSMTP?
07:09<jm_>finn0: I use exim, easy to configure the basics via debconf (not saying the other two aren't, just that I am not familiar with them)
07:10<finn0>jm_: okay.
07:10<finn0>jm_: I'm using thunderbird for mailing purpose. Can I use Thunderbird as MTA?
07:11<finn0>Is it possible?
07:12<jm_>finn0: no
07:13<finn0>jm_: okay, thanks
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07:36<blast007>!reportbug MTA
07:36<dpkg>The <reportbug> utility does NOT require you to run a local mail server (mail transport agent). When reportbug asks "Do you have a 'mail transport agent'?" say N (which is the default) and then, just as it says hit ENTER to use a Debian SMTP host.
07:36<blast007>finn0: ^
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07:38<finn0>blast007: what's Debian SMTP host? Sorry, for noob questions I'm new to these things.
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07:42<finn0>blast007: you want to say that If a enter my email accounts details same as in Thunderbird client, Debian automatically act as SMTP host and start communicating with server. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
07:44<RJD1>no it means if you don't run an SMTP server yourself (an MTA), then it will us one of Debian (org) 's
07:44<RJD1>*use
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07:57<finn0>"debian kernel: [181758.614228] gnome-session-f[13371]: segfault at 0 ip 00007ff1f2b08e19 sp 00007ffc46cc7570 error 4 in libgtk-3.so.0.2200.11[7ff1f2826000+700000]" . What's the package name in error message? gdm3 or gnome-session-flashback (it is the best possible match of gnome-session-f)
07:59<finn0>A similar issue use reported in gdm3 (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=850116)
07:59<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/850116 in gdm3 (open): «gdm3: gnome-session-f called from gdm3 SEGVs when run with SE Linux enforcing»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-01-04; last modified: 2017-01-22.
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09:10<klingklang>,v pulseaudio
09:10<judd>Package: pulseaudio on amd64 -- jessie: 5.0-13; stretch: 10.0-1+deb9u1; buster: 12.2-4; sid: 12.2-4
09:10<klingklang>,v gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio
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09:15<Mightyking4546>Hey friends how do i start my carreer in bug bounty i need help in this
09:16<wvdakker>Mightyking4546: Start with Windows 😀️
09:16<Mightyking4546>Windows what ??
09:16<duclicsic>95
09:17<duclicsic>Mightyking4546: this really isn't the place to be asking, this is a support channel for Debian linux. I notice you were in here earlier asking for help with Kali linux which suggests you have a long way to go before starting such a career.
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09:18<ksk>He also crossposted on freenode, and I kind of gave him the same ;)
09:19<Mightyking4546>Ok sorry
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09:21<finn0>wvdakker: I was wandering How did you draw an emoji (of smiley face)? Probably feature of IRC client
09:21<finn0>*wondering
09:21<wvdakker>finn0: Polari feature
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09:24<ksk>finn0: if your client supports UTF-8 (most should do nowadays..) you can just copy&paste emojis form the interwebs into your client.
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09:25<ksk>mhm, or not :D
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09:25<lsjet>emojis are irritating. :)
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10:03<petn-randall>anarcat: Ah, good point. I just read the output of `mokutil --help`. Might be worth filing the bug.
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11:56<anarcat>petn-randall: i did, but i still have no idea what that flag does or what's the passphrase for
11:58<grummund>Hi, i have an issue with sshd not starting having replaced systemd with sysv.
11:58<grummund>the symlinks are there and it's possible to login via console and do "/etc/rc2.d/S16ssh start" and then login normally after that.
11:59<anarcat>petn-randall: i filed #930759 yesterday about this
11:59<grummund>other services start ok.
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12:01<petn-randall>anarcat: IIRC the wiki page had info on that before, check the history. Maybe it was accidentally removed.
12:01*anarcat wishes for git :p
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12:02<petn-randall>It just enables signature validation in shim.
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12:03<cornel>hello
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12:03<anarcat>petn-randall: yeah well, i can read that
12:03<anarcat>it says "enable" and "validation" :p
12:03<anarcat>but what does that mean
12:03<cornel>is this the right place to ask about my wireless not working in antix 19?
12:03<anarcat>and why does it prompt for a passphrase?
12:03<cornel>scanner does not find any network ....
12:04<grummund>cornel: no
12:04<cornel>ok
12:04<cornel>apologize
12:04<cornel>bye
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12:19<mrrobot>hello
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12:19<mrrobot>which is the best linux distro ???
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12:22<lsjet>I guess he really didn't want to know.
12:23<LaRk_>good evening all
12:24<lsjet>LaRk_, good __daytime_interval__ to you too
12:25<jelly>which answer did they expect to get from #debian anyway
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12:36<cHawk>the answer is gentoo. always
12:36<cHawk>>_>
12:37<sqrt{not}>parrot or WSL or solaris
12:38<cHawk>lsjet, I tried googling it but didn't find it. Some people always refer to "good morning" when they are coming and "good evening" when they are leaving because of all the time zones
12:38<cHawk>unfortunately I can't find the source, but I think it is acceptable to always open with "good morning" :)
12:39<LaRk_>next time i come around ill say " good morning/afternoon/afternoon" all
12:40<blast007>!ugt
12:40<dpkg>Universal Greeting Time (UGT) asserts that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
12:40<lsjet>I was just being sarcastic. :)
12:40<LaRk_>lol
12:40<LaRk_>oh i see
12:41*grummund tried to disable apt caching of deb files, but all that happened is they are now cached directly in /.
12:41<grummund>/etc/apt/apt.conf: Dir::Cache ""; Dir::Cache::archives ""; Dir::Cache::srcpkgcache ""; Dir::Cache::pkgcache "";
12:41<grummund>is there a Right Way to do this?
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12:41<LaRk_>i would defintely not know
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12:43<blast007>grummund: why not just run a daily cron that runs 'apt autoclean'?
12:44<grummund>blast007: because there has to be a proper way to do this.
12:44<blast007>what's not proper about that?
12:45<grummund>it's a hack, imho.
12:45<LaRk_>cheersh everyone
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12:45<blast007>I don't really see it that way
12:45<blast007>trying to cheese the system into not having any cache directory is more of a hack
12:46<blast007>what is the reason you're not wanting to cache .deb files on your disk? are you tight on space? trying to reduce writes?
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12:47<grummund>space constraints
12:47<grummund>and yes i know it does not save much
12:48<blast007>are you short on free RAM as well?
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12:48<grummund>no
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12:48<blast007>maybe a tmpfs would work then?
12:49<blast007>I'm not aware of how well that would work or if there's any oddities to be aware of, but might be worth looking into. then it'd be a filesystem in RAM.
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12:50<grummund>so far i found several howto's for disabling the deb cache (using the above method) but none contradicting it or suggesting it not possible.
12:50<grummund>the man page even hints at it.
12:50<blast007>which man page were you reading?
12:51<jmcnaught>grummund: FYI if you use apt (instead of apt-get) it does not keep the downloaded packages. Also I think the apt.conf setting you're looking for is APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages (grep /usr/share/doc/apt/NEWS.Debian.gz for 'cache')
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12:53<grummund>maybe i shall switch to using apt instead of apt-get
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12:54<klingklang>i remember that earlier versions of apt stores downloaded packages after installation
12:54<blast007>'Please note that the behavior of apt-get is unchanged. The downloaded debs will be kept in the cache directory after they are installed. To enable the behavior for other tools, you can set "APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages" to false.'
12:54<klingklang>dont remember which distro i had
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12:57<klingklang>dev of aptitude saying "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers." but i guess it have more "Super Cow Powers" than built-in apt
12:57<klingklang>so my depencies sovled and i can install winheq-staging
12:57<klingklang>haha
12:58<klingklang>and now no need to exec schroot to run win app
12:59<klingklang>other problem latest pulseaudio noising after few hours of PCM 24/192 listening
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13:03<klingklang>pulseaudio from buster-muplimedia repo compiled w/o supporting src-sinc* resampling methods
13:03<klingklang>after killing it sets method to auto
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13:25<petn-randall>anarcat: The verification chains is as follows: EFI → shim → grub → linux-kernel
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13:27<petn-randall>anarcat: EFI verifies that shim is signed, then boots it. shim can be configured with mokutil, and verifies if grub is correctly signed. You can of course also disable verification, or use other keys to sign itself (which helps with enrolling those keys in EFI).
13:29<petn-randall>anarcat: You can for example remove the Microsoft key from your EFI trust chain, and enroll your /personal/ key, which you then use to sign shim. That way nobody could boot a windows 10 key live system or any other Linux OS without your consent.
13:29<petn-randall>I totally agree that the document is less than stellar, though. Been through the same issues.
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13:36<wolfmannight>which package contains sysprof-capture-3
13:36<wolfmannight>please i need it for compile gnome
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13:41<blast007>wolfmannight: I don't see any that do. there is sysprof-capture-2 in the sysprof package.
13:42<wolfmannight>yahh installed sysprof, but compiling mutter need sysprof-capture-3
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13:44<sumit>HI
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13:48<wolfmannight>blast007: https://paste.gnome.org/pxfo3ns8z
13:48<wolfmannight>check this log
13:49<blast007>is this something other than the 'mutter' package that's already in Debian?
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13:51<wolfmannight>I'm compiling gnome 3.33 with jhbuild
13:51<wolfmannight>jhbuild build mutter
13:51<TheRuralJuror>Hi! The update for vim on stable (https://www.debian.org/security/2019/dsa-4467) breaks my setup for OCaml programming (merlin, ocp-indent, vim-ocaml). No problems with my setup for other languages though. Does anybody have problems with his Vim? The update affects the "source" command, which is quite basic.
13:52<wolfmannight>blast007: all packages successfully compiled only mutter having problems
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13:57<wolfmannight>I'm big fan of debian but i also want latest packages. Is there any iso providing gnome 3.33.x i would love to test unstable, even I cant find iso with experimental packages
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13:57<wolfmannight>please help me finding iso with experimental packages
13:58<blast007>buster has 3.30
13:58<wolfmannight>(not testing packares)
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13:59<wolfmannight>3.30 is in testing. I want 3.32 which already in experimental
13:59<dboles>"I'm big fan of debian but i also want latest packages." => unstable, #debian-next
13:59<dboles>users do not want experimental, even if they think they do
14:00<wolfmannight>so there is no iso form of experimental ?
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14:01<dboles>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental
14:02<dboles>not afaik, because it's all bleeding edge mish mash of packages that may not even work together
14:02<wolfmannight>yahh i installed some experimental packages via apt-get... but I want full distro
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14:04<wolfmannight>As I suggest some people love to have bleeding edge tech. I seen fedora providing rawhide(experimental) iso
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14:04<wolfmannight>it would be good if happen to debain
14:05<wolfmannight>fedora rawhide providing gnome 3.33
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14:06<jhutchins_wk>wolfmannight: Testing and unstable aren't published as iso's, they aren't intended as releses.
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14:06<lsjet>"I'm big fan of debian but i also want latest packages." <--- In my experience, these things are mutually exclusive.
14:06<jhutchins_wk>WEll, testing is, experimental and unstable aren't.
14:06<annadane>meh, people do run unstable as their daily drivers
14:06<annadane>you just incur the subsequent risks
14:07<jhutchins_wk>annadane: Like make backups before updating.
14:07<wolfmannight>testing available as iso, love that but gnome is too old
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14:08<wolfmannight>sysprof-capture-3 only package blocking me compiling 3.33 from source.. If any one tell me which package contains it
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14:08<annadane>if you *want* latest gnome then sure run sid or testing but people enjoy stable because it's unchanging and is therefore less likely to break
14:08<jhutchins_wk>!debian-next
14:08<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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14:09<jhutchins_wk>wolfmannight: You should know how to use the search tools like apt-file and the web site if you're running non-stable.
14:10<lsjet>...also testing and unstable exist to produce the next stable, not to be an alternative way to run Debian. If a hypothetical experimental-yet-fully-working Debian existed, it would become one of the others.
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14:10<wolfmannight>I agree
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14:13<wolfmannight>buster will have 3.30 then 3.32 will arrive in debian after 3.34 official release ?
14:16<wolfmannight>anyways guys thanks for your hard contribution in debian. I know its not easy to get stable build, it was only my concern. I obsessed with having bleeding edge features.
14:17<wolfmannight>I really found debian more stable even with some experimental packages.
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14:38<klingklang>,v checkinstall
14:38<judd>Package: checkinstall on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-4; sid: 1.6.2-4; stretch: 1.6.2-4
14:38<klingklang>where i can find CheckInstall for buster?
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14:39<klingklang>need it to complile custom bar for i3
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14:43<jhutchins_wk>klingklang: Build a deb.
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14:47<klingklang>done
14:47<jhutchins_wk>You can version it so updates don't clobber it, or you can pin it.
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15:02<sqrt{not}>will the 3 checkinstall versions for jessie,stretch, and sid, (all are 1.6.2-4) be different somehow ? and will klingklang's homemade buster version be some other version number ?
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15:07<anarcat>petn-randall: i understand the chain of trust, even if i might not be able to tweak it myself (i would like to install my own keys, but first i need to understand how things work)
15:07<anarcat>petn-randall: what i don't understand is why --enable-verification asked me for a password
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15:23<klingklang>sqrt{not}, problem solved
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15:27<petn-randall>anarcat: It's designed so you can't disable verification from within the OS, as it would otherwise make it easy for malware to disable it to evade detection.
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15:41<sqrt{not}>klingklang: I ask only because I am not an expert about versions and building your own debs.. So, what version number did you make ?
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15:47<judd>Package: checkinstall on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-4; sid: 1.6.2-4; stretch: 1.6.2-4
15:47<jhutchins_wk>Apparently not in buster. Looks like a maintainer issue.
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16:01<sqrt{not}>checkinstall was kicked out of testing because of #878487
16:01<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/878487 in checkinstall (open, patch, upstream): «checkinstall: Segmentation fault when invoking `checkinstall cmake -P cmake_install.cmake`»; severity: grave; opened: 2017-10-14; last modified: 2017-10-14.
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17:52<Sysifoss>Hello, any recommendations for how to rotate the plymouth boot splash when setting up for a vertical screen?
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17:56<sakax>Sysifoss: interesting question, how does it show up by default?
17:56<sakax>you have a picture?
17:59<Sysifoss>sakax: It displays as it would if the screen were setup horizontally.
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17:59<somiaj>My vertical screens do that. I'm unsure if you can rotate screens at the kernel level or just the xorg level
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18:00<somiaj>gentoo wiki says framebuffers can do it, maybe kms cna too
18:00<Sysifoss>i tried passing fbcon=rotate:1 to the kernel. This fixed my tty terminals but not plymouth
18:00<Sysifoss>ill look into framebuffers
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18:01<somiaj>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/68369/rotate-console-on-startup-debian
18:01<somiaj>well isn't plymoth before the kernel, in that case it might not be possible
18:02<somiaj>https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Plymouth-Device-Rotation -- seems to suggest some code was added to this last year, but this won't be available in stretch
18:02<somiaj>(and unsure if it made it into buster or not either)
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18:06<Sysifoss>somaij: tht red hat article is a good find! I'll look into this change and if it doenst work out I can always painstakingly rotate all location settings by 90 degrees and reboot a million times as I work out the kinks lol
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18:07<Sysifoss>thanks for finding that!
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18:08<somiaj>more detailed than I, I just ignore it is rotated at boot, since I boot so little
18:09<Sysifoss>It's for an art group that I'm trying to help out and they care alot about aesthetics as one might imagine
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18:12<Sysifoss>Thank you for your time and your help looking into this, I appreciate it!
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18:31<anarcat>petn-randall: so the secret is what protects this?
18:31<mojikun>whats the upgrade procedure from stretch to buster? (when it comes out soon)
18:31<anarcat>mojikun: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
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18:33<mojikun>anarcat, is all this really needed?
18:33<mojikun>whats the equivalent of do-release-upgrade, done in ubuntu and upgrading from one debian base to the next without issues?
18:33<anarcat>i have my own procedures :)
18:33<anarcat>there isn't an equivalent
18:34<anarcat>the recipe is "apt dist-upgrade"
18:34<anarcat>i use this https://anarc.at/services/upgrades/buster/
18:34<anarcat>and this https://help.torproject.org/tsa/howto/upgrades/buster/
18:34<mojikun>i wonder what extra does do-release-upgrade in ubuntu do
18:34<mojikun>to automate this
18:34<anarcat>you might want to read up on that here https://wiki.debian.org/AutomatedUpgrade
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18:36<mojikun>anarcat, whats the screen used for?
18:37<anarcat>mojikun: in case my graphic session dies
18:37<mojikun>really?
18:37<mojikun>you dont have to restart the services after the upgrade has finished
18:37<mojikun>you can just copy the packages in place and reboot
18:38<mojikun>do i miss something here?
18:38<anarcat>sure, but installing packages can restart stuff on its own, or things can crash, or whatever
18:38<anarcat>i've seen it all man
18:38<mojikun>(and even if that was the case, just switch to tty1, login as root and do the upgrade)
18:38<anarcat>sure, the point is you keep history
18:38<mojikun>you mean systemd restarts thing on its own
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18:39<anarcat>this is my recipe, you don't have to use it
18:39<anarcat>no, debian packages
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18:39<mojikun>are you sure its not some event driven action by systemd?
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18:40<anarcat>pretty sure
18:40<anarcat>but that could happen as well, i'm not sure what you're refering to
18:40<anarcat>i started using screen before systemd came along
18:40<mojikun>on my sysv init distros based on debian, i haven't noticed any service add itself to boot automatically
18:40<mojikun>i might be wrong, but never had such an issue
18:40<mojikun>on the other hand in systemd, i do systemctl stop lightdm
18:40<mojikun>and it restarts it
18:41<mojikun>that thing has its own will
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18:42<mojikun>the only thing i can imagine going wrong is the package manager run into some sort of cyclic dependency
18:42<mojikun>thats why they advise upgrading from a minimal system
18:42<mojikun>easier to calculate i guess
18:43<mojikun>it surprisses me that debian for such a titan of stability hasn't yet found a failsafe way to upgrade from one version to the next
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18:44<mojikun>personally i have found a upgrade is hard when there are major system changes
18:44<mojikun>like init system change from one version to the next
18:44<mojikun>or something that makes a totally different system, not just upgrades versions of packages
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19:07<Nick>yo
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19:07<pert>I'm here
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19:09<annadane>go away forever, then
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19:51<Rhomber>Anyone know an ETA for this to be fixed? https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/ftp.debian.org.html
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19:55<annadane>Rhomber, i guess ask #debian-www
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19:55<Rhomber>thanks
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20:08<sqrt{not}>Rhomber: if you are looking for a target for sources.list, you might want to try httpredir.debian.org
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20:10<annadane>i assumed they were talking about the website and not a mirror
20:10<annadane>but yeah
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20:13<sqrt{not}>I see www.debian.org website working normally
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20:16<tripkin>Can I get support for buster here?
20:16<tripkin>I upgraded from stretch, and now have no audio.
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20:17<tripkin>lspci can see the card, and it is listed in proc. However, in the gui, I only have a USB headset, not the motherboard sound card
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20:18<tripkin>Can anyone help, or should I be in another channel?
20:19<jmcnaught>tripkin: here is fine. Does the card get listed by 'aplay -l'? What GUI are you using?
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20:21<tripkin>jmcnaught, hello again! Yes, it is shown in aplay -l as card 0: SB (HDA ATI SB), I am using Gnome with X11
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20:23<jmcnaught>tripkin: can you see the card in pavucontrol?
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20:25<tripkin>Seems the upgrade removed a lot of packages like rsync and pavucontrol - just reinstalled them, and no, I cannot see that sound card in pavucontrol
20:26<tripkin>jmcnaught, ^^
20:28<jmcnaught>tripkin: so maybe something else is using the soundcard. Check the output of 'lsof | grep /dev/snd' (run lsof as root) to see if that's the case
20:28<jmcnaught>tripkin: you can put the output on https://paste.debian.net/ for others to take a look too
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20:33<tripkin>jmcnaught, sure! The results are viewable at http://paste.debian.net/1088692/
20:33<jmcnaught>tripkin: it's probably timidity, are you actually using it?
20:33<tripkin>jmcnaught, Nope. Didn't know it was even installed...
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20:34<jmcnaught>tripkin: I don't use timidity but if it's running as the timidity user then you might have the timidity-daemon package installed
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20:36<tripkin>jmcnaught, I have just done that, and I can now see it in the control panel. Thank you!
20:36<jmcnaught>tripkin: you're welcome :) And you checked that sound is working too?
20:37<tripkin>jmcnaught, I am listening to it over my speakers right now! Thanks again!
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20:45<Gueeros>hello world! The Debian's website is down... Any news about it?
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20:46<Gueeros>Debian website is down... Any news about it?
20:46<tripkin>Gueeros, debian.org is alive and well from my system.
20:46<dvorak>i can hit it
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20:47<Gueeros>not from Mallorca, Spain
20:47<tripkin>isitdownrightnow also confirms it is up
20:47<RJD1>seems down on my end too
20:47<RJD1>I'm in UK
20:48<RJD1>network tab in firefox shows that debian.org forwarded me to www.debian.org but no response yet, still waiting
20:48<Gueeros>The nslookup says 130.89.148.14 and 2001:67c:2564:a119::148:14 and 2001:41c8:1000:21::21:4
20:49<RJD1>it's doing something but reeeeeally slowly
20:49<RJD1>changed from 'waiting for...' to 'connecting to...'
20:50<RJD1>... timed out
20:50<mendelmunkis>did you try ping?
20:50<Gueeros>I don't have any http or icmp response
20:51<RJD1>yeah I'm getting response to ping, but browser times out
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20:51<Gueeros>not ping and not http in Spain
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20:54<Gueeros>now I have ping response on debian.org but no http response
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20:55<sqrt{not}>130.89.148.12 was the address not responding for ftp a little above
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21:00<Gueeros>all working well from Spain!
21:02<RJD1>yeah it's back up
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21:43<tripkin>With stretch, I could have icons on the desktop. When I upgraded to Buster, the icons are no longer visible under Wayland or X. I am going to stick with X so teamviewer will work, how can I enable desktop icons again?
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21:49<jmcnaught>tripkin: there's a gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons package you could install, I haven't tried it, but you probably need to turn it on in tweak tool
21:49<tripkin>jmcnaught, Ok. Thanks! I think I just found it... <grin>
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23:50<tripkin>jmcnaught, I have a Logitech G910 keyboard, and after my upgrade to buster it does not show the model in lsusb and I cannot assign the media keys in vlc. Any ideas? I have been unable to find anything about it using google...
23:53<jmcnaught>tripkin: did you try setting these key under GNOME settings?
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23:53<tripkin>jmcnaught, in dconf?
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23:54<jmcnaught>tripkin: no I mean the basic GNOME settings where you also find Date & Time, Power, Devices, Displays etc
23:55<tripkin>jmcnaught, they had been set up there initially (from stretch), but I am clearing them and re-setting them...
23:59<tripkin>jmcnaught, so the basic play/pause stop next and previous track work for the main controls, but if I try to set them in vlc they are not working - either the global or normal hotkeys. Must be something in vlc...
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